Re: IBM(r) z/OS(r) Management Facility (z/OSMF)
On Thu, 2012-05-24 at 11:51 -0400, Edward Jaffe wrote: Lol! z/OSMF security has been a struggle for RACF shops too! :D MSM had its own set of security demands... -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Screen Scraping TN3270
Curious as to what people might be using, if anything, on the JAVA side for screen scraping TN3270 applications. We use the LegaSuite product to GUIfy existing green screen applications and improve workflow. There are bells and whistles we don't use, including something called LegaSuite Integration. In one of the manuals I see that Java Connectors provide access to any application using Java APIs. So I'll guess that LegaSuite might provide a scraping interface via a Java API. That's a solution for which we have no known problem, so best check with your friendly Rocket rep. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Screen Scraping TN3270
On Tue, 2012-05-22 at 16:10 -0400, George Henke wrote: I had a client in 2010 that used LegaSuite very successfully, but it was not really screen-scraping Well it is really no-fooling screen scraping here, with all the attendant change control issues. 1 click of the mouse button triggered about 10 or 12 CICS transactions, tasks, under the covers. Yes, it can devolve into this if you choose to e.g. present a multipage screen map as a scrollable list. We do some of that (but not a lot). Quite a price to pay just so customer service does not have to touch type. Perhaps. But usability has some value, and some of our green screens are complex. The ability to present some coded fields as pull-downs and integrate with the desktop (SQL-server queries, mail, other stuff) has been well received. Screen-scaping is taboo where I am now. Keeping the green-screen maps in sync with the LegaSuite panel collection is an administrative problem that we haven't solved yet. Error recovery seems to be much less of an issue than it was in days of yore. I once wrote a EHLLAPI library subset for a boutique 3270 emulator board, and dealing with a recalcitrant SPX line that stretched halfway across the country was a painful exercise. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ### of GDG Entries
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 11:43 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 9a5727782f43d643b484c4d0dca637a303610...@dfle30.ent.ti.com, on 05/10/2012 at 08:12 PM, Donnelly, John john.p.donne...@ti.com said: Is there any way to create or pretend to create a GDG base greater than 255... No. Has anybody submitted a requirement for that? It should be doable, but there would have to be a sound business case for it; it wouldn't be trivial. I thought about this a bit during the afternoon, and based on what I remember of ICF catalog structure for GDGs, this would be a bear. (What I remember is over 20 years old, so take this with 20 years worth of NaCl.) A GDG's catalog information is entirely kept within a single GDG sphere record, so long as all the data will fit within your catalog's LRECL. If the sphere record would exceed the LRECL, then extension records are created, one at a time per GDS. The key for nonvsam entries (including GDG sphere records) is 45 bytes long - base name followed by a binary zero. GDG extension records are keyed by base name and one-byte binary integers starting at X'01'. It follows that you cannot have more than 254 extension records. So expanding the max number of generations much past 255 is problematic with the current key design. I guess IBM could walk in a new catalog format (by e.g. allowing more than one GDS per extension record), but I wouldn't look forward to all the coexistence woe that might provoke. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Old blank tape cartridges
On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 16:17 -0400, Linda Mooney wrote: Many jurisidctions have, in the last few years, made putting tapes into the trash illegal. It is that way where I am. A couple of years ago I tried hard to find a recycler for my ancient 3480 library. I came up empty-handed, and when I rang up my local (central Florida) waste management authority the nice lady told me to simply dump 'em. I was astonished and asked her to confirm, which she did. Weird. When we dispose of old tape we have to send it to an eWaste company. Can you name the company? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ServerPac RACF* jobs (rant)
On Mon, 2012-04-30 at 16:01 -0400, Walt Farrell wrote: If no one complains to them, they won't know anyone has a problem. John Eells told me two years ago that he would be frightened to learn that installations were using those RACF* jobs as-is. Since he wasn't doing ServerPac anymore, he passed on my comments to Lucy Miller, who said ServerPac provides these [optional] jobs for folks to use as samples if they want to just upgrade their RACF database because it is very large and they don't want to risk rebuilding it or if they are using non-RACF security products. Lucy emphasized that I review all the warnings documented in the Installing Your Order book for all the RACF jobs and especially for RACFDRV. Still a big pain, but John reminded me that RACF isn't the only security system out there. It would be much harder for us to understand ACF2 and TopSecret environments and create appropriate definitions for them he explained. I understand their problems, so I think I'd settle for a set of diffs between current RACF* jobs and those of yore. If IBM would tell me what recommendations/requirements have changed since my last ServerPac, that would ease my workload. (Or maybe a changelog -does- exist, and I haven't noticed it?) -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Strip column 1 from reports
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:01 -0400, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
Is there a way to strip column 1 from reports, SYSOUT, output from
ICETOOL, RACFRW, etc?
I think I understand your requirement, but don't have a solution.
Sorry! But may I comment on your assertion?
As it is now, the method of specifying the ISO/ANSI/FIPS control
characters (' ', '0', '-', '+', '1') [1] is not really used much these
days.
We use ANSI carriage control for everything, always have, and never
bought into IPDS. VPS (and I guess MacKinney) makes it pretty easy to
conditionally pre-pend printer controls to your datastream in an
application-independent way, which satisfies most of our form-and-flash
requirements.
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Re: GO TO cobol
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 16:40 -0400, Edward Jaffe wrote: The behavior of well-defined coding structures like IF/THEN/ELSE, DO, SELECT, CASE, etc. are extremely well understood--both by programmers and by code optimizers no matter which language is being employed. Hmm. I wonder if the COBOL compiler generates equivalent code for: GO TO ... DEPENDING ON X (which I've always understood was a simple branch table) and: EVALUATE X WHEN 1 ... WHEN 2 ... Hey John, there's a research topic for you in your copious spare time! -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: GO TO cobol
On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 09:52 -0400, Joel C. Ewing wrote: One proposal many years ago to totally eliminate the FORTRAN GO TO was to replace it with a COME FROM statement. Ah yes, an old chestnut: http://www.fortran.com/come_from.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: GO TO cobol
On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 11:08 -0400, McKown, John wrote: Ah, imagine the joys of writing CICS code in LISP (Lots of Insipid, Silly Parentheses). There are more parentheses in Java code than equivalent Clojure. Just sayin'. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Modernizing the BCP code ?
On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 12:49 -0400, David Crayford wrote: Also at Share I heard that COBOL will indeed share the same back-end and have all the nice optimizations in future releases of z/OS. They said that they are going to share the Java optimizer technology That would surprise me, since Java performance relies on a JIT compiler. Very different framework. There are specific optimizations employed by the JVM that could be adopted by other backends - for example its JIT has specific interior knowledge of z196 and z114 processors, for which it generates machine dependent out-of-order instruction sequences. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Modernizing the BCP code ?
On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 12:45 -0400, McKown, John wrote: I am constantly amazed at the amount of code generate by a simpe: ADD +1 TO WS-INTEGER. when WS-INTEGER is defined as PIC S9(9) BINARY Try defining it as COMP-5 (or compile with TRUNC(BIN)) and see if that improves the generated code? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: A stupid idea? Using twitter like service for z/SO, et al., event notification.
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 11:29 -0500, McKown, John wrote: notification of events happening on servers, especially z/OS We're small like you, lights-out after 9:00pm, and the operations automation we have is all homebrew. I have a console monitor application, written in REXX, that watches for specific messages such as ABENDs. It also watches for messages with MDBGHOLD=YES that remain un-DOMed for longer than a set period. Normal action is to send email via Lionel's XMITIP, and then to escalate to another email address if the first recipient doesn't acknowledge (by simply hitting 'reply' on their email client) within ten minutes. We have another application which runs as a final step of most of our production jobs, and emails the responsible programmer(s) in the event of ABEND or untoward return codes. An MPF exit backs up that application in case the failed job had a JCL error or otherwise could not continue to the last step. A third application analyzes our IDMS transaction log and filters for unusual activity, emailing some of us who care about that sort of thing. Automated email works great, mostly, and can include more diagnostic information than a tweet (say) can include. When email doesn't work - and it isn't foolproof - we rely on our users to call. Press 1 to wake somebody up. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: WLM Capping
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 15:51 -0500, Gibney, Dave wrote: I don't want to imagine what WLM stomping on the brakes looks like in your shop. Biggest hassle for me when I started softcapping was that most of my batch had been discretionary - I always liked the MTTW algorithm. But when we softcapped all that discretionary workload went to the meat locker, and we couldn't have that. Had to do some triage and creative stuff with velocity goals and performance periods to make things right again. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Regular Expressions (OMVS)
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 12:05 -0500, McKown, John wrote: IMO, IBM would have done much better by all to start with Linux as a base and do whatever was needed to get it POSIX compliant and certified. But, IBM tends to have NIH real bad. I recall that Unix-branding was important to IBM, while Linus never felt the need for it. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Lots of *MASTER* CPU during a big sort
I glanced at the SDSF 'DA' frame this morning and noticed one of our applications programmers was sorting a large file - something like 400,000 tracks. The system was otherwise lightly loaded and SDSF was reporting 2M real storage frames in use by his job. But what also caught my eye was unusually large CPU consumption by the *MASTER* address space: 60-75% continuously while his sort was executing. He cancelled it, and *MASTER* went back to its usual docile self. What is a large DFSort with 2M+ real storage doing to consume that much time in *MASTER*? Is this a characteristic of memory objects? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Set Clock Command
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 12:14 -0500, Skip Robinson wrote: I'm curious. We have not done 'SET CLOCK' for 15 years since we acquired sysplex timers and now have STP. Time changes are automatic/programmed. Is the reason for using manual processes strictly financial? It's certainly money here. During weekly sysmaint the system is quiesced and we run a program by Axel Miller that interrogates a NTP server and issues appropriate SET CLOCK commands to sync local time to network time. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Set Clock Command
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 16:07 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: And the TOD just drifts? Yeppers. It's not remotely as bad as it was in (say) the pre-CMOS days. The clock doesn't move far enough from wall clock to be very noticeable. How does this affect critical timestamps kept in GMT? What do z/OS UNIX utilities (FTP?) show? GMT will drift with the seasons of course, but... May I assume you don't have a sysplex which requires extremely precise synching of the TODs? You presume correctly. We're just a tiny shop, what a pal of mine used to call family data processing. Heck, I'm still running monoplex (though those pesky ZFS and PDSE datasets will eventually force me to do something about that). Or with the system quiesced, do you actually issue an SCK instruction. (It's not Shmuel's dog.?) Ohno. But it was only fairly recently that IDMS learned about CVTLDTO. IDMS's idea of local time varied from z/OS's idea. That was a small nuisance. Is the hardware used by STP well enough documented in the PoOp (PrOp?) that one could write RYO (E)TOD steering code, driven by NTP? I thought that STP was LIC, and contained some enabling bits? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: deleting jes2 printers
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 11:39 -0500, Tim Brown wrote: Is there a $del to delete jes2 printers http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/has2a2a0.pdf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: TSO concern - sysplex multisystem logon.
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 11:06 -0500, McKown, John wrote: allow certain people the ability to logon to TSO on all systems concurrently. It appears this is possible, for all users, simply by not propagating the SYSIKJUA enqueue via the GRSRNL. The SYSIKJUA RNAME appears to be the TSO userid: 11.24.59 d grs,res=(sysikjua,*) 11.24.59 ISG343I 11.24.59 GRS STATUS 499 S=SYSTEM SYSIKJUA DBA SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS PROD 0038 008FFB00 EXCLUSIVEOWN So could you specify your own (and other privileged ones) RNAME as an RNL exclude? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Determining MSUs
On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 14:35 -0500, Phil Smith wrote: So if a customer doesn't know the MSU capacity of an LPAR, what's the easiest way to find out? RMF Monitor III, option 1.3? (Overview - CPC) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JCL sheesh! for today
On Thu, 2011-12-08 at 04:24 -0500, Ken Brick wrote: At that time (1960's) I doubt that the developers had the rigourous documentation requirements of even yesteryear much less recent years. Some of the PLMs of the time were quite useful. When the HIPO fad was mandated circa 1974 the PLMs lost much of their usability. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPOOL move
On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 18:07 -0400, Linda Mooney wrote: If the old vols are draining and you run an offload, type=transmit I run offloads regularly and reload when I have to. That's a bit problematic here because jobs can be processed by a daily offload - Monday is $OFF1, Tuesday is $OFF2, etc - only once. So I keep $OFF7 and $OFF8 in reserve, using them sparingly. Because I've got years of spool data kept by certain Very Important Persons, it's a hassle when I absolutely have to offload/coldstart/reload the entire spool because -something- is going to fail to offload. I haven't had to do that for some years, probably since the last DASD geometry change. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that new spool migration function in R13. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fairwell to a Friend
Ohno! Gilbert was, as everyone has already pointed out, a class act. Knowledgeable, generous, polite. He left the world better than he found it. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPOOL move
On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 10:10 -0400, R.S. wrote: I have to move JES2 SPOOL volumes from one control unit to another (another dasd box). [...] Q: Is there any method to move spool volumes I believe there's support for migration between spool volumes in R13. The miscreants in my shop keep stuff on the spool for *years*, making it impossible for me to completely drain spool volumes without an outage. Looking forward to trying out the new function. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 1TB EAV Support
On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 10:11 -0400, John Eells wrote: See Topic 3.1, What is the Customized Offerings Driver?, at: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/e0z2b1c0/3.1?SHELF=EZ2ZO213DT=20110615113655 John, is the COD usable as a rescue system? (Yeah, I see that it takes two hours simply to restore from DVD. But it might give me a warm feeling just to have a current DVD in a vault somewhere.) -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 1TB EAV Support
On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 12:53 -0400, John Eells wrote: We support the COD's use only for installing z/OS ... safer--and not very much overhead after you have done it the first time--to create a rescue system of your own. I believe someone on the list (Mark Zelden?) ... 2 hours *per DVD.* All three points understood, and Mark's onepack is indeed useful. I just thought the COD might be a warm fuzzy to stick in with the IOCP. Thanks. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPOOL move
On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 16:07 -0400, Rick Fochtman wrote: Dave, I submit that those miscreants using SPOOL for long-term storage should have their hands slapped. Hard. I don't disagree, but I've fought that battle and can show you the scars. Bigger dogs than I want to use the spool for long-term storage and I know a large-calibre warning shot when I see one. I MAKE the rules... I BREAK the rules. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CPU utilization/engine
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 12:40 -0400, Ed Gould wrote: What should have been asked is Why. Sorry, why is none of our concern. It is sufficient that Miklos wants to know. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: UNIX (USS)
On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 06:58 -0400, John McKown wrote: QWS3270 runs under WINE. I wonder if Tom's software would too. Vista did work when I tried it a couple of years ago. IIRC there were some font issues - which may well have been due to an ID10T error. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: assembler help!
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 10:20 -0400, Crabtree, Anne D wrote: If anyone is using IEFACTRT to do chargeback and is using multiple SMF30 cpu type fields in the calculation(ie. SMF30ICU, SMF30IIP, SMF30_TIME_ON_IFA, etc...) I'd love to see how you did it. The production version only looks at SMF30CPT for job cpu time and I need to add in all the other CPU fields! The halfword SMF30TFL contains bits that indicate which of the CPU fields contain valid data and which do not. If the high order bit of SMF30TFL is off (i.e. SMF30TFL is non-negative) then all fields are valid. Otherwise, you'll have to examine each bit in SMF30TFL before you add corresponding selected CPU fields. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: running Assembler I/O macro code as AMODE 31, RMODE ANY
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 08:30 -0400, Mark Jacobs wrote: Sounds almost thiotimoline like to me. Tells you something about a group of people when one guy mentions thiotimoline and nobody bats an eyelash. ;-) -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Who?
So I'm riffling the SHARE Orlando agenda and I find *this* guy: Dave Andrews is the IBM Development Director of the CICS product family based in Hursley, UK. My reputation can only improve. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Perl (was: Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands)
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 10:12 -0400, Lloyd Fuller wrote: /VERSYSB/usr/lpp/perl/lib/5.8.7/ As does our 1.10 system. But my Linux desktop is running 5.12.3 and Gil did say no current Perl. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Perl (was: Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands)
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 11:02 -0400, Paul Gilmartin wrote: (And David A. attributed to me a statement where I was merely quoting Shmuel. Erk. My bad, as the kids say. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Quick question
On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 09:44 -0400, Alvaro Guirao Lopez wrote: There is any program for delay a job execution in the serverpac of z/OS V1R11? Perhaps you're looking for something like this? //DELAY EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='pgm /bin/sleep SECONDS' -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: how to backup data onto mainframe tape and restored read on windows ?
The z/OS ftp server will support SITE UNIT=[tape device]. Take your backup using ftp, then restore it via a MS-Windows client. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: more on startio...
I remember - maybe - that Bill Fairchild had a SHARE presentation or two on the care and feeding of STARTIO. That was years ago. Bill? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: retraction ...
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 14:32 -0400, Ed Gould wrote: CA in general is at best mediocre (excepting) CA 1. I get great support from the IDMS folks, and I imagine there are lots of other teams within CA that are similarly competent. CA is a big place, just as IBM is, with different teams, sensibilities, management. Sure you'll find some losers, but there are lots of winners too. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CPU utilization/forecasting
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 16:57 -0400, Ward, Mike S wrote: Hello all, can someone tell me if it's better to use CPU peak or CPU average to project growth. Once upon a time I found it useful to condense a month's worth of RMF data into a single graph showing the average CPU utilization over the course of a day, plus-or-minus one standard deviation. That drop-bar chart made it easy to visualize two-thirds of our daily workload at a glance. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ASSIST assembler language
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 15:06 -0400, McKown, John wrote: The old ASSIST assembler that I used back in college I remember a cohort trying ASSIST exactly once when I was an undergrad. He pushed through a utility that contained an SVC 13, which failed with a privileged op exception. Rolling our eyes, we binned the ASSIST JCL and never used it again. Does anybody know of any product which uses the @ sign as the leading character for its macros? IDMS is one. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ASSIST assembler language
Replying to my own posts again. Bad form, I know. On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:20 -0400, David Andrews wrote: He pushed through a utility that contained an SVC 13 Finger check: that should have been SVC 3. (Guess I don't blame ASSIST for not knowing about it, but privileged?) -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 11:06 -0500, Bill Fairchild wrote: One purpose of ROUND was to reduce DASD revolutions that did not transfer any data. According to my fading memory, Back In The Day a limited set file mask had to be imposed on CCW strings against non-cylinder-aligned extents. Hence those unappetizing standalone seeks. Define Extent was a goodness. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Redisc overing WW II's femal e 'com pute rs'þ
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 16:23 -0500, Linda Mooney wrote: I don't know if DPMA stills exists. Wikipedia says it does, but that it renamed itself in 1996. See the Association of Information Technology Professionals website at: http://www.aitp.org/ -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LINKLIB in use / Darwin
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 11:02 -0500, Arthur Gutowski wrote: Tom M. once told me a story about the DD DUMMY of the Day/Week/Year awards at a past shop. I think there was a plaque or a trophy that went along with it... We have a trophy that gets passed around, and which the recipient is required to prominently display in his office until someone else deserves it. An eagle bears a target on its wings, and the placard below reads: Nice shooting Tex -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does R OUND datas et allocat ion mean c ylinder bo undary?
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 08:31 -0500, john gilmore wrote: Old men and women in this business thus found themselves repeating the litany comma, comma, comma, round over and over again to the young Um... comma, comma, contig, comma, round? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does ROUND dataset allocation mean cylinder boundary?
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:20 -0500, john gilmore wrote: | Um... comma, comma, contig, round which appears to be a polite attempted correction of the litany I provided. No, you simply reminded me of a relic of the past that I can *still* find in my proclibs. As you say, it is another problem. (I would not lightly dare to correct you.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS Virus Checker zLinux Virus Checker
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 14:22 -0500, Sam Siegel wrote: Hercules and pirated copies of zOS Do you have evidence of this? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Long-running jobs, PDS, and DISP=SHR
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 08:09 -0500, Bob Shannon wrote: I believe that concurrent updates to a PDS result in an S213-30 abend. A very long time ago this was because OPEN unconditionally enqueued against SYSZDSCB (RNAME=volser||A||dsn). The operating system has been renamed three times since then. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: GDG Question
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 13:27 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: If GDG.DSNAME(0) is GDG.DSNAME.G0001V00, then GDG.DSNAME(+1) will be GDG.DSNAME.G0002V00 for any reference in that job. The GDG name table (GDGNT, mapped by IEFZB429, pointed to from the JCT) contains a list of GDG base names, and their base (+0) generation numbers. It is this static table that resolves relative generation numbers in JCL. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
AUTOTUNING usable?
I was cleaning house today, and found an entry I'd put in my IPL automation a long time ago: F CATALOG,DISABLE(AUTOTUNING) which advice was provided by OA20748 at the time. I decided to look around to see if AUTOTUNING has been fixed yet, and found OA25072, which is CLOSED and says in part: various shortcomings have been identified with the implementation of catalog auto-tuning. This APAR will address those issues. Has OA25072 (corresponding to UA49253-UA49256) in fact corrected AUTOTUNING? Or should I keep AUTOTUNING disabled for another timeless interval? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [AD] CA Technologies Delivers Ground-Breaking CA Mainframe Chorus
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 09:26 -0500, Darth Keller wrote: However, I did not see that response on the listserv I believe it was posted to ims-l. I also do not like receiving ad's through the listserv I've complained to the poster, copy to Darren. Others who want to follow up should probably do the same. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Philosophy: curiousity question
On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 13:37 -0500, Ted MacNEIL wrote: How do we read the IPL instructions when/if the mainframe was down? What Ted said. A few weeks ago we did some major electrical work in the machine room and had to go dark for an hour. When the kids activated their ESX farm one of the virtual servers needed for DNS was being recalcitrant, something to do with their whizbang Active Directory... and they weren't able to investigate it because they didn't have a external copy of the server farm's IP addresses. Um... the IP addresses are documented on the wiki. Whoops. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: spool to spool output transfer
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 13:09 -0500, Jousma, David wrote: Looking for ideas for doing spool to spool transfer of output NOT using NJE. Maybe Sine Nomine's NJE/IP Bridge package would be useful here? http://www.sinenomine.net/products/vm/njeip -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Relayng all WTORs to my cell phone via SMS
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 05:09 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
it appears that I need to trap every z/OS message and look at each one
individually. Yuck! This is not CPU efficient.
I have a console monitor written in REXX that runs 'round the clock, and
which has used 600 CPU seconds in the last 17 days (my last IPL). I
know you're CPU-constrained, but five minutes of CPU spread over two
weeks doesn't break the bank here.
In REXX it's easy to screen all console traffic and watch for e.g.
messages with MDBGHOLD set - nondeletable messages.
GETMSG_RC = GETMSG('CONSMSG.'WAIT_TIME)
IF GETMSG_RC 4 THEN DO /* GETMSG ERROR, SNO */
SAY 'GETMSG return code =' GETMSG_RC
EXIT GETMSG_RC
END
IF GETMSG_RC = 4 THEN DO /* PROBABLE TIMEOUT */
ITERATE
END
IF CONSMSG.0 0 THEN DO
... parse CONSMSG.nn for message content, or
IF (CONSMSG.MDBGHOLD = 'YES') THEN DO
...
END
END
ELSE DO
... no message text means this might be a DOM
IF CONSMSG.MDBGDOM = YES THEN DO
... handle deleted messages
What do I want to accomplish? We run with no people other than on
call people on the weekends and holidays.
We too. I watch mostly for nondeletable console messages and parse
message lines for exceptions (IDMS has an open WTOR all day long for
example) so we don't get bugged about routine stuff. I got fancy and
implemented an escalation schedule - a list of people are paged one at a
time, at intervals - until the trigger message is DOM-ed or one of the
paged individuals hit 'reply' on their blackberries.
Lionel's XMITIP is the cat's meow, BTW.
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Re: Mainframe hacking?
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 18:38 -0400, Rick Fochtman wrote: I ALWAYS left the IBMUSER active on the system but the first thing I also did was to change to password to some very obscure value. A *very* long time ago, before a few ibm-mainers were born, there was an early public-access packet switching network named Telenet. You could point your modem at a local phone number, type in the five-or-six digit number of a Telenet subscriber, and be connected to their system wherever it may be. You could stay up all night typing in random subscriber IDs to see what you would get. It didn't take long to discover that the first three digits of a subscriber ID was the telephone area code of the subscriber. That cut down on the search space quite a bit. Area code 212 (New York City) was a target-rich environment! There were a fair number of TSO systems that were Telenet-attached, and some of those had IBMUSER accounts with default or stupid passwords. (That particular complacency wasn't limited to MVS administrators. There were other systems, foreign to me, which permitted easy access.) No, I never stayed long; got the heck OUT of there in fact. Login... holy $#!+... logoff. What were they thinking? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: obtaining su/sec in real time
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 07:46 -0400, Bob wrote: Mark Zeldon's IPLSINFO (http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsfiles/iplinfo.txt) Zelden. And thanks for this pointer. Mark, this is a pretty snazzy little exec. Among other things, it's taught me where to find that 4HRA. Nicely done. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe ids
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 10:59 -0400, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Joe H. Smith wrote: we providing MAINFRAME ID's for FREE!!! Joe H. Smith doesn't say whom he represents. The IP address he offers belongs to an Indian ISP: role: TATA Communications nic-hdl: TC651-AP address: 6th Floor, LVSB, VSNL address: Kashinath Dhuru marg, Prabhadevi address: Dadar(W), Mumbai 400028 phone:+91-22-56633503 fax-no: +91-22-24320132 country: IN Point your web browser to that IP address and you receive a message that says This site is running TeamViewer. TeamViewer is a remote desktop control application. Careful with this. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Really dumb IPL question
On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 10:01 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: TCP/IP is a prerequisite but the product can wait for TCP/IP, so it makes sense to start it after starting TCP/IP but it does not matter if TCP/IP is not fully initialized. Perhaps TCPIP autolog would do the trick as well? Does your product run all the time? http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r9.halz001/autolog.htm -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Access z/OS 3270 TSO from smartphone?
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:51 -0400, Mike Schwab wrote: http://www.hercules-390.org/hercfaq.html In Section 3.01, Paragraph 4 of 6: [...] The prize for the world's smallest mainframe probably goes to Ivan Warren, who claims to have run VM/370 under Hercules on an iPAQ 5450 handheld PDA. Time marches on! As I've mentioned here before, I've IPLed Volker Bandke's Tur(n)key MVS system on my N900. 5450 dimensions: 5.23 x 3.3 x .63 7.23 oz. N900 dimensions: 4.37 x 2.35 x .77 6.38 oz. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 vs. JES3
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:11 -0400, Steve Comstock wrote: Nobody morphed HASP into ASP or vice versa. Huh? HASP was the efforts of NASA Houston and came out as Half ASP. Renamed to Houston ASP. I think that's just a story. I recollect HASP came first, out of NASA as you say, and ASP was developed separately out in Thousand Oaks, CA. Notes I took at a SHARE presentation 18 years ago (!) say that the same people who built ASP built HASP. NASA was less than enthusiastic over the prospect of having to spend money on a second box just for spooling, so the SPOOL program was born, renamed to HASP. I'd never heard the Half ASP part of the story, but it fits considering that SPOOL required half the processors of ASP. See: http://www.redbug.org/dba/sharerpt/share79/o441.html See also Bill Fairchild's recollection where he mentions Simpson and Crabtree: http://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@bama.ua.edu/msg09350.html -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Set numbers off permanently.
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 07:05 -0400, William H. Blair wrote: 1983. It also went OCO. That was particularly painful to us at the time because we had made mods to SPF (source) that obviously could not be carried forward. We had to drop them and completely revise our source library management approach. Yes, I had the same experience. We'd implemented browse-ddname, and then used it in our Librarian interface, which extracted source (via FAIR) into VIO-backed temporary datasets for SPF to browse. OCO killed that, and then it was some time before IBM got around to doing their own browse-ddname. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Set numbers off permanently.
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 08:00 -0400, Chase, John wrote: ISTR that PDF (now ISPF option 2) was the full-screen editor; an add-on to SPF. The original Structured Programming Facility (which had nothing to do with structured programming, a buzzword of the day) became the Interactive System Productivity Facility, and then was later split into ISPF-base and ISPF/PDF and priced separately. I suppose that you could have licensed *only* ISPF-base if you wanted it to run e.g. Info/Access, but I never ran into an installation that did that. Eventually IBM collapsed the products into one again. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 12:47 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote: IEW4009I FETCH FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD01 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB BECAUSE OF AN I/O ERROR. Just a SWAG, but when does STEPLIB get opened? Once by the initiator, or at every LOAD? If the former then perhaps your steplib went into extents after the open? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 17:06 -0400, Carlos Bodra - Pessoal wrote: Last mainframe will turned off in 1996 hahahahaha That would be Stewart Alsop, quoted in 1991. He eats his words on page 2 of Jim Elliott's m/f retrospective: http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/pdfs/zhistory.pdf (How did that photo come to be, Jim?) No more than 640KB is necessary for any computer hahahahaha Gates never said it. See: http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1997/01/1484 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who are the TOP Mainframe Tapesubsystems Vendors?
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 18:49 -0400, BOB COSBY wrote: The VSM is RAID 6 architecture under the covers Not to quibble (much), but VSM operates a log structured filesystem. (There are indeed redundant parity tracks, which is the hallmark of RAID 6 devices, but that log structure ameliorates the well known RAID 5/6 write penalty to some extent.) I wouldn't call it strictly RAID 6. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Memory v. Storage: What's in a Name? (Was: IBM zEnterprise)
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 11:23 -0400, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Ever since I started doing Capacity Planning, in 1981, it was called 'Storage'. Hell, I was still calling it core 'til 1991 - when Ehrman chided me for it. (Like Aldo Cella, I am no slave to fashion.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: share mainframe disk experience
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 13:26 -0400, Scott Rowe wrote: Any vendor who could not do FlashCopy compatibly would lose out. That's why we license FDR Instant - which knows about Snapshot / Flashcopy / Timefinder. Makes me less married to the underlying tech. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: History of Hard-Coded Offsets - etc
On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 08:01 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: The 3330 was available on S/360 and was supported by OS/360[1]. Ah, I remember scanning the IOGENs and seeing references to ZEUS, MERLIN and ICEBERG devices. The good ol' days. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another reason to hate PDSE's
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 12:46 -0400, Pinnacle wrote: What a crappy design. [...] Brain dead. I'm inclined to give the PDSE designers a little more credit. One of the PDSPAIN White Paper's requirements was not another VSAM - at the time we were struggling with the filesystem-within-a-filesystem mashup that was VSAM suballocated space. Thank FSM they stopped short of that. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: System x and Power 7?
From the redbook FAQ: Q: Will the zEnterprise System support for Microsoft Windows or IBM i OS operating systems? A: No, Windows or i OS are not supported at this time. IBM will initially support AIX, Linux on System x (SOD available 1H 2011) and optimizers through the zBX. Support for additional operating systems will be evaluated over time based on demand from our clients. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: System z Security Vulnerabilities
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 09:27 -0400, Alan Harrison wrote: Please visit my developerWorks blog zSecurity here http://j.mp/aDJp10 ... which forwards to: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/zSecurity/entry/documenting_vulnerabilities5?lang=en -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 2 versus 4 processors
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 08:49 -0400, Staller, Allan wrote: In the old days (circa 197x) the overhead was about 30%. I.E. going from one processor to two gave an increase in capacity from 1 to 1.7, not 2. Now days, the overhead is more like 90% Do MSU ratings take this dispatching overhead into account? Both 2096 models S01 and N02 are rated at 30 MSU for example; does IBM kick in a few more cycles on multiprocessor boxes to make the MSUs meaningful? (I imagine that if MSUs are derived from some standard workload test, then the answer is yes. If the marketing people mess with MSUs *within* a single processor line then all bets are off.) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: searchdatacenter.com article
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:16 -0400, McKown, John wrote: Anybody here use IEBCOMPR? Very occasionally. In around 2007, I had an archive-to-CD prototype running. You gave it a list of MVS datasets and it would offload them to a PC (after converting to AWS format). The PC burned a pair of CDs and compared them to make sure the CDs were readable and that they agreed. Then the PC submitted a job back to the MVS system containing the offloaded data; the job executed a test restore and compared the result with the original dataset. Only then was the programmer notified that the offload was complete and the archive was verified as valid and restorable. It was written in a combination of REXX on the MVS side and bash script on the PC side. Never got past the proof-of-concept stage, 'cause after it worked my attention was directed elsewhere. I should probably resurrect it one day. Back on topic, I used IEBCOMPR to do the dataset verify. If all you want to do is compare entire datasets then IEBCOMPR works rather well. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IEBCOMPR (was: searchdatacenter.com article)
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 09:16 -0400, Paul Gilmartin wrote: If the CD id burned from a .iso image, it's possible on either OS X or Solaris to read the character special file underlying the mounted CD and compare it exactly to the .iso. On Windows, ImgBurn will extract a .iso from a CD; I wouldn't know how to script it. I used mkisofs and cdrecord under Linux. The AWS files were compressed and stored along with companion files that contain the original DCB and allocation characteristics. A postgresql index kept track of MVS datasets and the CD serials. It was an interesting project, and I learned more about bash than I ever wanted to. Last time I touched it I got a wild hair and started to recode the bash stuff in SBCL Lisp. Then I thought it would be useful to have an inotify library and worked on that. Time ran out on me before I got the Lisp code running to my satisfaction. As I said, it was proof-of-concept more than anything else. Lots of things I'd do to it: I would have liked to operate a CD changer - write on one drive, read from another. I'd have liked a web interface to the server. I'd have liked to do encryption. Has mkisofs been ported to z/OS? H, unknown. In my implementation it was on the CD server. The bash script would accumulate datasets until it reached a threshold, then create the iso. (But the server could be told to cut the CD regardless of the current queue size.) Which DSORGs will this handle? PS, of course. What about PDS, PDSE, Program Objects, HFS, zFS, *SDS VSAM? I only did sequential datasets. What AWS utilities do you recommend? I used AWSSL, which had some limitations three years ago. I remember that it didn't handle spanned records, so I always told AWSSL that the dataset to be offloaded was RECFM=U. As I mentioned above, when I transport the AWS dataset it is paired with a characteristics dataset that contained the real DCB information. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disk replacing Tape?
On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 11:32 -0400, McKown, John wrote: WORN = Write once, read never. gee, if really WORN, then I'd suggest writting to DD DUMMY or /dev/null. Back In The Day, we'd have used STC 8350. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 11:44 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: Doubtless somewhere a reader of these lists knows that the boss is deciding that it's cleanup time for that dusty corner of the datacentre Well, you make me go and look. There across the parking lot, in an attic over a farm equipment shop and accessible by forklift, still sits a bus-and-tag 3088 CTC - plastic wrapped against the elements. Some people don't throw ANYTHING away. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftping a gdg from the z box
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 17:53 -0400, larry macioce wrote: we are trying to ftp(put) a gdg using the (+1) notation Try: put //dd:sysut1 destfilename //SYSUT1 DD DSN=YOUR.GDS(+1),DISP=(OLD,PASS) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Significant Bits
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 16:10 -0400, Tom Marchant wrote: The 68000 and its successors are big endian. They switched to PowerPC in 1994 and to i86 in 2006. Didn't PPC go both ways? (I vaguely remember a talk by David Barnes a few years ago, where he mentioned the OS/2 PPC port making use of the mixed-endian-ness of PPC.) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM to announce new MF's this year
On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 20:34 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: It was 16 ;-) At the time, IBM was shipping 2-way[1] MP systems. When I took the internals class Back In The Day, they told us that MVS-370 internally supported 16 processors - despite the fact that there were only dual-processor systems at the time. I heard a story later, perhaps at a GUIDE, that suggested that one of the performance tweaks made to MVS/SE was simplification of the dispatcher. If there are a max of two processors, I was told, then we can make processor selection a quick one-or-the-other decision. I always wondered if the guy telling me that story was full of it. (Of course, that tweak wouldn't have lasted long; the 3084 was upon us only a few years later.) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM to announce new MF's this year
On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 08:45 -0400, Tom Marchant wrote: I thought that the dispatcher always ran on a processor that needs work to do Well, I presume that there's a check for idle processors whenever a dispatchable unit is added to the work queue. That check could be made shorter if there was only one other processor in the system, maybe even reduced to a test-and-set followed by SIGP. Just idle speculation. As I said, my source wasn't necessarily credible, and it *was* 30 years ago. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM to announce new MF's this year
Mainframe operating systems don't scale well past 64 cores in a single system image Wonder what made The Register say that? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ICF Catalog performance options
considerations with regard to the following catalog performance options beyond the defaults Eileen McClintock has done a presentation at SHARE about catalog tuning. See if you can find it. She recommended (in 2007), among other things: - Don't use anything larger than 8K CI size; this has adverse index CI effects. - Don't use VSAM freespace, and don't reorganize your catalog; this undoes the benefits of any splits that have already occurred. - Don't let index CI size default; the system almost always selects too small a control interval, which leads to “dead” data control intervals that can't be used in each control area. Allocate your index in cylinders, not tracks. - Shared catalog volumes kill you. Don't have multiple catalogs on the same volume. Don't have catalogs on shared volumes, period. In the latter case every catalog lookup requires a VVR read, regardless of whether the entry has been cached. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ICF Catalog performance options
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 15:09 -0400, Mark Zelden wrote: I think you are referring to VVDS mode sharing. If you have the catalog in ECS mode, the above isn't true. As an aside, it's a little difficult to avoid sharing catalogs between systems these days. :-) My notes were from a presentation she made in 2007. I haven't been to SHARE in awhile, so maybe Eileen has updated it? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ETR is down (hilarious resolution)
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:33 -0400, Clark Morris wrote: To have an application refuse input because of a special character in 2010 is archaic Nothing for it then, but to enter text base64-encoded. 'course, that'll complicate search queries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: server pac install and RACFDRV
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 10:55 -0400, Hal Merritt wrote: As others have posted, the 'best practice' is to simply turn over the suggestions to your security folks. Hrm. Well, in my place *I'm* the security folks. (And the systems guy. And the storage guy. And the IDMS DBA.) Dealing the problem to the RACFDRV Department of the company's Security Division isn't a luxury I have. I've spoken with John Eells offline about my use of RACFDRV/RACFTGT, and probably increased his level of heartburn. I use his jobs while remaking the RACF database when I install new releases. See, I don't do upgrades, but rather full installs, then rerun the HRF and RACFxxx jobs just before cutover. That might make some folks around here shake their heads, but it's a mechanism I understand and which seems to work in our small-potatoes environment. 'Best practices' is like 'one size fits all'. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Multiple logon SMCS possibility
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 11:32 -0400, Paul Gilmartin wrote: That becomes irrelevant (for TSO, at least), when the consoles are virtual screens on a single physical device. Oh... VNC. Good catch. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Arithmetic on COBOL usage is pointer
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 20:33 -0400, Clark Morris wrote: The more interesting question is why use a pointer when reference modification works well for playing with the SMF30 records? 'splainey? (That was the first COBOL I'd written in a very long time, and I was delighted to find pointers at all. If there's a better way to handle SMF30 records I'm all ears.) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Arithmetic on COBOL usage is pointer
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 09:06 -0400, McKown, John wrote: MOVE LARGEST-INPUT-RECORD (UNSTRING-OFFSET: LENGTH OF SMF30ID) TO SMF30ID I dig now; you're moving the segments to a separate segment-defining record in order to gain field addressability. Using pointers (and redefines) I'd address that ID segment directly: 01 SMF30-ADDRVAL COMPPIC 9(8). 01 SMF30-ADDRPTR REDEFINES SMF30-ADDRVALPOINTER. 01 SMF30-ID-ADDRVALCOMPPIC 9(8). 01 SMF30-ID-ADDRPTRREDEFINES SMF30-ID-ADDRVAL POINTER. IF (SMF30ION = 1) COMPUTE SMF30-ID-ADDRVAL = SMF30-ADDRVAL + SMF30IOF - 4. SET ADDRESS OF SMFREC-30-IDENTIFICATION TO SMF30-ID-ADDRPTR. I kinda like my way better, but as others have pointed out it isn't all that future-proof. Guess I should fix that if I ever have to crack that code open again. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Arithmetic on COBOL usage is pointer
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 11:28 -0400, Joe Reichman wrote: I redefined a usage pointer to PIC 9(8) comp to do arithmetic Have you compiled with TRUNC(BIN)? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Arithmetic on COBOL usage is pointer
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 11:43 -0400, Walt Farrell wrote: Why would you want to do math on a pointer? One example: in a COBOL program I wrote awhile ago, I process SMF type-30 records. Those records contain segments whose offsets are stored in fullwords - I address those segments by doing pointer arithmetic on the address of the SMF30 record. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hercules Emulator on window vista
On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 20:08 -0400, Stephen Y Odo wrote: kewl ... how'd you do it [run the Tur(n)key system on N900]? The N900 runs an embedded Linux (Maemo) on an ARM processor, with specialized device drivers for a handful of radios (GSM, GPS, BT, WLAN, what-have-you). It is unpolished as current smartphones go, but way wide open. A hacker's phone. I started by installing Alan Bruce's Easy Debian, a port of Debian Lenny that runs in a Maemo chroot. That was easy, and took a few taps on the screen. Hercules, xterm, x3270 and telnet all installed within Easy Debian via apt-get, again only a few commands. Volker Bandke's Tur(n)key MVS is distributed in a zip file, which contains an iso image. It wasn't possible for me to mount the iso image directly on the N900 because that kernel hasn't been compiled with loop block support. So I was obligated to mount the iso image elsewhere and then copy the directory structure to the N900 (I used scp for this). Volker supplies an xstartmvs shell script that fires up Hercules and a handful of tn3270 sessions. Those tn3270 sessions are treated as locally attached 3270s by Hercules, and become consoles and VTAM LUs as soon as you IPL the MVS volume. Hercules itself can be controlled via the xterm you started it in or through a web interface. wonder if I can get it running on my Droid? Don't think so - doesn't Android limit you to the Dalvik JVM? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hercules Emulator on window vista
On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 00:15 -0400, Ravi Kumar wrote: Does anyone having experience installing Hercules Emulator on Window Vista? I *did* install it (along with Volker Bandke's Tur(n)key MVS system) on my N900 over Easter weekend. A PL/I hello world compile-link-and-go job runs in about eleven seconds on that cell phone, and brought back memories of a 3031 I used to know. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
How to be notified when softcap is set?
I'm experimenting with LPAR group capping (baby steps). How am I notified that the 4h average has exceeded the group cap and softcapping has begun? Is there a console message or event or specific SMF record? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SQL Server replacement
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 09:19 -0400, Richards, Robert B. wrote: If we were looking to replace Microsoft's SQL Server with something on System z, what would my options be and how much effort would be required to move it there? I have no direct experience, so take this with a dumpster load of NaCl, but PostgreSQL ought to run on Linux-on-z, and I believe there is an ODBC driver. If a Linux VM or LPAR is an option for you, you might ask about it over on linux-390. For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Subpools - specifically 241
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 11:26 -0400, Rob Scott wrote: IBM used to use Key2 for some purpose years ago It was used for VSPC, I think. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Interact, was:Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 19:44 -0500, jack.hamil...@kp.org wrote: I think there was another commercial version called Interact from Online Business Systems Yeah, this comes up every couple of years here. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@bama.ua.edu/msg45818.html -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 15:33 -0500, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Creators. Kernigan (sp?) and Ritchie. Hrm. You're thinking KR, the C book. Ken Thompson originated Unix. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPARs: More or Less?
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 10:56 -0500, George Henke wrote: It is all somewhat reminiscent of the old MFT days when everything ran in partitions. There were all kinds of inefficiencies introduced when we ran things in fixed partitions then. [...] When MVT came along it removed those constraints One of you Old Ones (and I'm thinking of Shmuel in particular) correct me on this, but didn't bare MVT have a horrendous core fragmentation issue? My poor recollection is that HASP initiators essentially reintroduced partitions to MVT to help beat that problem. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer
On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 10:45 -0500, Gabriel Tully wrote: I agree that System z administration is getting easier and I think that is a good thing. Until something breaks. We dumb-down the workaday environment, lower the expectations of management for the technical people, while the ones with deep knowledge retire or are RIFfed into oblivion. It doesn't take much imagination to foresee a time when we will only have enough expertise to reboot in an emergency -- just like the other MS-Windows sysadmins. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
