Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
On 20 Jul 2006 06:07:00 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Clark Morris wrote: Yesterday, I read that a new NJE function will be available only in JES2. The JES3 folks have yet to learn that if they are going to justify their higher cost, they have to provide virtually all of the function JES2 does plus the unique JES3 function. I like a lot of the things in JES3 but I didn't notice that much degradation in function after the switch. Which new NJE function will be available in JES2 only? Where did you read this? It was on an IBM web page referred to in another posting on ibm-main. I think the header of the posting referred to NJE and z/OS level is 1.8. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
Which new NJE function will be available in JES2 only? Where did you read this? It was on an IBM web page referred to in another posting on ibm-main. I think the header of the posting referred to NJE and z/OS level is 1.8. Consider that JES2 and JES3 share some components. Also consider that if TCPIP is good for JES2 it will also be good for JES3. Can anyone really believe that JES3 won't also support NJE over TCPIP? All that is really known is the JES3 won't support NJE over TCPIP in z/OS 1.8. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
Clark Morris wrote: snip Which new NJE function will be available in JES2 only? Where did you read this? It was on an IBM web page referred to in another posting on ibm-main. I think the header of the posting referred to NJE and z/OS level is 1.8. snip z/OS R8 JES3 will include NJE over TCP/IP (with delayed availability). Is this the function you meant? (It was recently made available for JES2 on a z/OS R7 base.) -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
Bob Shannon wrote: Consider that JES2 and JES3 share some components. Also consider that if TCPIP is good for JES2 it will also be good for JES3. Can anyone really believe that JES3 won't also support NJE over TCPIP? All that is really known is the JES3 won't support NJE over TCPIP in z/OS 1.8. snip Actually, it is planned to. In the z/OS R8 preview announcement, we included: Support for JES3 NJE communications using TCP/IP will be available in z/OS V1.8. This function will include support for IPv6, secure sockets (SSL/TLS), and all the NJE constructs (ENDNODE, SUBNET, Store-and-Forward) supported by the owning JES. This new support will be in addition to the SNA and BSC protocols currently supported by JES3. In order to use the NJE/TCP support, both sides of the connection will be required to support NJE/TCP. This function is expected to be available during the first half 2007. -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
- Original Message Hi, Would anyone have a project plan for doing the above or any pointers to documentation that I would find useful when embarking on such a task? Kind Regards Mark Mark, I found the 'JES3 White Paper' from E.Jaffe very useful to understand the functionalities of both JES, and to see if such migration is worth. I did a presentation some years ago at a customer site here in Germany who wanted to migrate to JES2, too. Eventually, they didn't do it. Once you see all the implications (time, money, operating education, automation update, etc), you just leave your good, old JES3 where it is. Maybe Edward can tell you the link where the paper is stored. Just my 2 Cents. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
Walter Marguccio wrote: I found the 'JES3 White Paper' from E.Jaffe very useful to understand the functionalities of both JES, and to see if such migration is worth. I did a presentation some years ago at a customer site here in Germany who wanted to migrate to JES2, too. Eventually, they didn't do it. Once you see all the implications (time, money, operating education, automation update, etc), you just leave your good, old JES3 where it is. Maybe Edward can tell you the link where the paper is stored. Glad you found it valuable Walter! You can find it at ftp://ftp.phoenixsoftware.com/pub/demo/JES3_White_Paper.pdf. Other (useful?) links: http://www.share.org/member_center/open_document.cfm?document=proceedings/SHARE_in_Boston/ACF1CDF.pdf http://www.share.org/member_center/open_document.cfm?document=proceedings/SHARE_in_Boston/s2735eja.pdf ftp://ftp.phoenixsoftware.com/pub/demo/JES3_to_JES2_User_Experience.pdf -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
RES: JES3 to JES2 Migration
Walter Marguccio wrote: I found the 'JES3 White Paper' from E.Jaffe very useful to understand the functionalities of both JES, and to see if such migration is worth. I did a presentation some years ago at a customer site here in Germany who wanted to migrate to JES2, too. Eventually, they didn't do it. Once you see all the implications (time, money, operating education, automation update, etc), you just leave your good, old JES3 where it is. Maybe Edward can tell you the link where the paper is stored. We have successfully migrated a 4 MIPS installation (+30 Lpars) in less than 1 year. No big issues. Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos Ituriel do Nascimento Neto Banco Bradesco S/A 4254/DPCD Alphaville Suporte Técnico - Software Básico Mainframes Tel: 55 11 4197-2021 Fax: 55 11 4197-2814 AVISO LEGAL BR Esta mensagem é destinada exclusivamente para a(s) pessoa(s) a quem é dirigida, podendo conter informação confidencial e/ou legalmente privilegiada. Se você não for destinatário desta mensagem, desde já fica notificado de abster-se a divulgar, copiar, distribuir, examinar ou, de qualquer forma, utilizar a informação contida nesta mensagem, por ser ilegal. Caso você tenha recebido esta mensagem por engano, pedimos que nos retorne este E-Mail, promovendo, desde logo, a eliminação do seu conteúdo em sua base de dados, registros ou sistema de controle. Fica desprovida de eficácia e validade a mensagem que contiver vínculos obrigacionais, expedida por quem não detenha poderes de representação. +**+ LEGAL ADVICE BR This message is exclusively destined for the people to whom it is directed, and it can bear private and/or legally exceptional information. If you are not addressee of this message, since now you are advised to not release, copy, distribute, check or, otherwise, use the information contained in this message, because it is illegal. If you received this message by mistake, we ask you to return this email, making possible, as soon as possible, the elimination of its contents of your database, registrations or controls system. The message that bears any mandatory links, issued by someone who has no representation powers, shall be null or void. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
On 20 Jul 2006 01:38:32 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: - Original Message Hi, Would anyone have a project plan for doing the above or any pointers to documentation that I would find useful when embarking on such a task? Kind Regards Mark Mark, I found the 'JES3 White Paper' from E.Jaffe very useful to understand the functionalities of both JES, and to see if such migration is worth. I did a presentation some years ago at a customer site here in Germany who wanted to migrate to JES2, too. Eventually, they didn't do it. Once you see all the implications (time, money, operating education, automation update, etc), you just leave your good, old JES3 where it is. Maybe Edward can tell you the link where the paper is stored. Having done this migration 18 years ago, I can say that the things that enabled the migration to be fairly good one were: 1. The shop was just a JES3 global. 2. We were implementing CA-7 for jobs scheduling anyway. 3. We were implementing CA-Dispatch for report management and this probably forced doing a good job of that implementation. 4. We were able to pick up mods from the CBT tape that I upgraded to JES2 1.3.4 and was able to set jobclass based on time, number of tapes and TCAM queues. These mods were resubmitted as a part of the Philips Lighting mods by Laurel Yates. 5. Simple WTO exits took care of tape drive contention. The reason for the switch were: 1. The rest of Philips was JES2 (Lighting was sold by Westinghouse which was a JES3 company). 2. JES2 was cheaper. 3. SNA NJE was free in JES2 and an added cost in JES3 (Bulk Data Transfer was required). 4. Although we didn't take advantage of it you could have SMS in XA under JES2 but not JES3. Yesterday, I read that a new NJE function will be available only in JES2. The JES3 folks have yet to learn that if they are going to justify their higher cost, they have to provide virtually all of the function JES2 does plus the unique JES3 function. I like a lot of the things in JES3 but I didn't notice that much degradation in function after the switch. Just my 2 Cents. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES3 to JES2 Migration
Clark Morris wrote: Yesterday, I read that a new NJE function will be available only in JES2. The JES3 folks have yet to learn that if they are going to justify their higher cost, they have to provide virtually all of the function JES2 does plus the unique JES3 function. I like a lot of the things in JES3 but I didn't notice that much degradation in function after the switch. Which new NJE function will be available in JES2 only? Where did you read this? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
JES3 to JES2 Migration
Hi, Would anyone have a project plan for doing the above or any pointers to documentation that I would find useful when embarking on such a task? Kind Regards Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
