Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
In 5324404266869504.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 10/28/2011 at 12:20 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Did you try for SOPHIST as a poor second choice? I thought that you had that locked up. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
In CAPD5F5o1AmQAB5T=0mzeddkr84u66-rhjccpo+8tomn1f8s...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/26/2011 at 08:59 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: In order to shore up my position as the resident pedant 1. That is not an undisputed position 2. I once worked with someone whose van had the license number PEDANT. I was, of course, jealous. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:54:57 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: 2. I once worked with someone whose van had the license number PEDANT. I was, of course, jealous. Did you try for SOPHIST as a poor second choice? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
Hi Gil, Pedant, I know, but sophist I had to check with dictionary.com. While there, I found this quote, and I thought you guys might enjoy it. The scholar, without good breeding, is a pedant; the philosopher, a cynic; the soldier, a brute; and every man disagreeable. -Philip Dormer Stanhope Chesterfield, 4th Earl grin Linda - Original Message - From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:20:38 AM Subject: Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-) On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:54:57 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: 2. I once worked with someone whose van had the license number PEDANT. I was, of course, jealous. Did you try for SOPHIST as a poor second choice? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:11:04 -0700, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: As unix, and many other systems, store files in 512 byte disk blocks, it makes some sense to transfer them to the IBM system in blocks of that size. I would probably use RECFM=U, LRECL=512, but it doesn't matter so much. Why does that make sense? Files on Unix, Linux and Windows are stored as a byte stream and the applications that write and process them do not know or care what the underlying sector size is. Do you mean BLKSIZE=512? That is quite inefficient, wasting over half of the space on each track. AFAIK LRECL has no meaning for a RECFM=U data set. Once you get these ASCII data to the mainframe in a RECFM=U data set, what would you do with them? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated
It is worth recalling, misused only a little, Chomsky's dictum: There is no reason to suppose that translation is in general possible. His point is analogous to the statement that equations of degree greater than four cannot in general be solved. Particular quintics can sometimes, of course, be solved; and particular felicitous translations are sometimes possible. Regrettably, however, we are not here dealing with a version of Sappho by Catullus. No cobbled-together solution to the EBCDIC-to-ASCII and MVS-to-UNIX problem is likely to be entirely satisfactory in any circumstances, and even if one were found for one such set of circumstances it would cease to be so when these circumstances changed. CR anciently meant carriage return; LF anciently meant line feed; and LF was sometimes used, usefully, before EOL. Confounding them, as Shmuel has already pointed out somewhat gnomically, is all but certain to give trouble in some circumstances, however convenient it may be in others. Some problems just do not have neat solutions. --jg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
Quintics? Gnomically? I looked them them up but due to my limited gray matter I no longer know the capital of Bulgaria or who composed La Traviata. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CRLF in unix, translated It is worth recalling, misused only a little, Chomsky's dictum: There is no reason to suppose that translation is in general possible. His point is analogous to the statement that equations of degree greater than four cannot in general be solved. Particular quintics can sometimes, of course, be solved; and particular felicitous translations are sometimes possible. Regrettably, however, we are not here dealing with a version of Sappho by Catullus. No cobbled-together solution to the EBCDIC-to-ASCII and MVS-to-UNIX problem is likely to be entirely satisfactory in any circumstances, and even if one were found for one such set of circumstances it would cease to be so when these circumstances changed. CR anciently meant carriage return; LF anciently meant line feed; and LF was sometimes used, usefully, before EOL. Confounding them, as Shmuel has already pointed out somewhat gnomically, is all but certain to give trouble in some circumstances, however convenient it may be in others. Some problems just do not have neat solutions. --jg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
On 10/26/2011 11:44 AM, Tony's Comcast account wrote: I looked them them up but due to my limited gray matter I no longer know the capital of Bulgaria or who composed La Traviata. Really hard to believe g But get a piece of paper and write down Sofia, and Joe Green for future reference. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
On 10/26/2011 5:48 PM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 10/26/2011 11:44 AM, Tony's Comcast account wrote: I looked them them up but due to my limited gray matter I no longer know the capital of Bulgaria or who composed La Traviata. Really hard to believe g But get a piece of paper and write down Sofia, and Joe Green for future reference. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Joe Green huh, heh heh, chuckle chuckle. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
In order to shore up my position as the resident pedant I must protest that Giuseppe Verdi === Jo[s]e[ph] Greens The singular form Giuseppe Verde===Jo[s]e[ph] Green is uncommon but not unknown. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CRLF in unix, translated :-)
On 10/26/2011 7:59 PM, John Gilmore wrote: In order to shore up my position as the resident pedant I must protest that Giuseppe Verdi === Jo[s]e[ph] Greens The singular form Giuseppe Verde===Jo[s]e[ph] Green is uncommon but not unknown. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Hah! As though shoring is needed!:-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
