Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
To replace base SYSVIEW I would think you would need at least a general systems programmer tool kit product like MXI www.rs.com and a capable spool browser and JES control like IOF, EJES, or SDSF. Thanks, Sam This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
Yep, at least! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Knutson, Sam Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 2:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF To replace base SYSVIEW I would think you would need at least a general systems programmer tool kit product like MXI www.rs.com and a capable spool browser and JES control like IOF, EJES, or SDSF. Thanks, Sam This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
Shane wrote: Mmmm - sign of the times I'm afraid. At least Norman now (sometimes) includes his association with the vendor in question. A question was asked, he responded. When questions get raised here, sometimes products get dumped on, so vendors defending/promoting their products also must be expected. I prefer they react here (in public) rather than complaining/threatening in private. I can certainly understand where reasonable people might have differing opinions about what's appropriate for this forum. The paragraph I quoted looked to me like it was lifted straight out of a marketing brochure. And, in all the years I've been in this business, I've never heard *anyone* outside of a marketing department use the phrase world class to describe their software. Norm used this phrase -- not once, but twice -- in two different related posts! (Bela Oxmyx would likely assume he's in for a piece of the action.) I realize it's a fine line ISVs tread within an open technical discussion. I try not to cross it (don't know if I'm always successful) as did the late Bruce Black, and as do Chris Craddock, Wayne Driscoll, Rob Scott, Bob Shannon, Tom Harper, Scott Fagen, Steve Pryor, Martin Treubner, Dave Cole, Tom Marchant, and other ISV regulars on this list. And, while their software might indeed be considered world class by their customers, I've never heard any of them describe it that way on IBM-MAIN! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF) At 4/24/2008 03:08 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote: I realize it's a fine line ISVs tread within an open technical discussion. I try not to cross it (don't know if I'm always successful) as did the late Bruce Black, and as do Chris Craddock, Wayne Driscoll, Rob Scott, Bob Shannon, Tom Harper, Scott Fagen, Steve Pryor, Martin Treubner, Dave Cole, Tom Marchant, and other ISV regulars on this list. And, while their software might indeed be considered world class by their customers, I've never heard any of them describe it that way on IBM-MAIN! z/XDC is a SUPERIOR WORLD CLASS(!) Assembler Debugging Tool! [sorry, i just couldn't resist] Dave Cole REPLY TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] World Class? Is that __all__?? From the users, it sounds more like at least Solar class! Maybe even Globular cluster or Galaxy class. Hyper-instellar subspace class? Multiverse class? For the esoteric: Brane-class. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
At 4/24/2008 09:15 AM, McKown, John wrote: World Class? Is that __all__?? From the users, it sounds more like at least Solar class! Maybe even Globular cluster or Galaxy class. Hyper-instellar subspace class? Multiverse class? For the esoteric: Brane-class. It takes a real brain to understand branes. For me, there's no hope. (But they are fun to read about.) Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
BAN! ;-) David Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/24/2008 8:56 AM z/XDC is a SUPERIOR WORLD CLASS(!) Assembler Debugging Tool! [sorry, i just couldn't resist] Dave Cole REPLY TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cole Software WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Note that my email domain has changed from jo-annstores.com to joann.com. Please update your address book and other records to reflect this change. CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
Perhaps I mis-worded my reply. While SYSVIEW can provide the informatiion one could derive from SDSF, SYSVIEW is, in my mind, primalrily a system monitoring tool. If I want to keep an eye on my system, I turn first, in this shop anyway, to SYSVIEW. I want to know who's sucking up the processor, or exceeding desired channel utilitzation, I turn to SYSVIEW. If I want to set some threshold alerts, I turn to SYSVIEW. On Mon Apr 21 16:33 , 'Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz' [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: SYSVIEW absolutely provides the exact same information and processes that you use in SDSF today. In fact, SYSVIEW provides more information than SDSF. You can use the same commands that you use in SDSF, today. The SPOOL feature is included with the base product. And if TSO is not up and available, you can do the same things with access from VTAM, CICS and even z/VM-CMS. But SYSVIEW is a lot more than just a facility for SPOOL management. It is a world class Performance monitor for z/OS, CICS, IMS, Websphere MQ, TCP/IP, USS, WLM, SysPlex, and Datacom (Roscoe if you are one of the fortunate still using it). If you would like additional information, feel free to send me direct eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And thanks to those who had good words about SYSVIEW and are using it today. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 03:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF No, actually they do. You can get the JES2 features of Sysview that allow you to manipulate the JES like SDSF. I prefer SDSF, but one of the place I am now uses it extensively. Fortunately they also have SDSF so I was not forced to use Sysview, but I have learned a bit about it, and can use it with JES output, syslog displays, etc. Doug Fuerst Gary Green wrote: Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. snip? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
I would agree. I look at SYSVIEW as a world class monitor, for diagnostics, problem resolution, and a vehicle for driving automation. Being able to look into the Jobs/Tasks from a monitor makes it very powerful. You don't have to leave the SYSVIEW environment to look at the log, the JCL, the output, the file allocations. You can look at DASD/Tape status and much more from with the monitoring environment you are probably already in. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 SYSN 06:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF Perhaps I mis-worded my reply. While SYSVIEW can provide the informatiion one could derive from SDSF, SYSVIEW is, in my mind, primalrily a system monitoring tool. If I want to keep an eye on my system, I turn first, in this shop anyway, to SYSVIEW. I want to know who's sucking up the processor, or exceeding desired channel utilitzation, I turn to SYSVIEW. If I want to set some threshold alerts, I turn to SYSVIEW. On Mon Apr 21 16:33 , 'Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz' [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: SYSVIEW absolutely provides the exact same information and processes that you use in SDSF today. In fact, SYSVIEW provides more information than SDSF. You can use the same commands that you use in SDSF, today. The SPOOL feature is included with the base product. And if TSO is not up and available, you can do the same things with access from VTAM, CICS and even z/VM-CMS. But SYSVIEW is a lot more than just a facility for SPOOL management. It is a world class Performance monitor for z/OS, CICS, IMS, Websphere MQ, TCP/IP, USS, WLM, SysPlex, and Datacom (Roscoe if you are one of the fortunate still using it). If you would like additional information, feel free to send me direct eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And thanks to those who had good words about SYSVIEW and are using it today. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 03:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF No, actually they do. You can get the JES2 features of Sysview that allow you to manipulate the JES like SDSF. I prefer SDSF, but one of the place I am now uses it extensively. Fortunately they also have SDSF so I was not forced to use Sysview, but I have learned a bit about it, and can use it with JES output, syslog displays, etc. Doug Fuerst Gary Green wrote: Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. snip? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:19:04 -0700, Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look at SYSVIEW as a world class monitor, for diagnostics, problem resolution, and a vehicle for driving automation. A completely unbiased view no doubt. ;-) BTW, I do run SYSVIEW here on a couple of LPARs and my sandbox sysplex because it replaced CA-LOOK in its ability to monitor CA-DATACOM. There are some things I really like about it!! I get the base product and some of the other pieces for free just by virtue of being licensed for the DATACOM interface. One feature I have used several times, that disappeared from OMEGAMON when dynamic LPA support was added (OS/390 2.4), is the ability to add an SVC on the fly. For other LPARs that don't run SYSVIEW I have to run a program to do it. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz wrote: SYSVIEW absolutely provides the exact same information and processes that you use in SDSF today. In fact, SYSVIEW provides more information than SDSF. You can use the same commands that you use in SDSF, today. The SPOOL feature is included with the base product. And if TSO is not up and available, you can do the same things with access from VTAM, CICS and even z/VM-CMS. But SYSVIEW is a lot more than just a facility for SPOOL management. It is a world class Performance monitor for z/OS, CICS, IMS, Websphere MQ, TCP/IP, USS, WLM, SysPlex, and Datacom (Roscoe if you are one of the fortunate still using it). If you would like additional information, feel free to send me direct eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And thanks to those who had good words about SYSVIEW and are using it today. How refreshing to see that IBM-MAIN has become the new forum for advertising the merits of one's own world class products. And, why not? Where else can you get better exposure for the price? I do feel sympathy for those that were treated badly in the past. Poor Ron Hawkins -- always being outed as an HDS employee after every opinionated post. Poor Steve Comstock -- criticized for advertising his z/OS training too often. Poor Brian Westerman -- hammered for mentioning an upcoming beta test. And, who can forget poor Shai Hess, who found many participants hostile to the idea of IBM-MAIN being hi-jacked to launch his product. But that was the *old* IBM-MAIN. Shai should come back and see how things have changed. I truly hope he does. That way, I won't have to buy those beers at SCIDS in Austin! Come back, Shai. Please! ;-) -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
Tweeet. Foul. This was not a simple advertisement. Questions were raised about the product and its features compared to SDSF. He is fully justified in responding. On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:42:55 -0700 Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz wrote: : SYSVIEW absolutely provides the exact same information and processes that : you use in SDSF today. In fact, SYSVIEW provides more information than : SDSF. You can use the same commands that you use in SDSF, today. : The SPOOL feature is included with the base product. And if TSO is not up : and available, you can do the same things with access from VTAM, CICS and : even z/VM-CMS. But SYSVIEW is a lot more than just a facility for SPOOL : management. It is a world class Performance monitor for z/OS, CICS, IMS, : Websphere MQ, TCP/IP, USS, WLM, SysPlex, and Datacom (Roscoe if you are one : of the fortunate still using it). If you would like additional information, : feel free to send me direct eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And thanks to : those who had good words about SYSVIEW and are using it today. : : :How refreshing to see that IBM-MAIN has become the new forum for :advertising the merits of one's own world class products. And, why :not? Where else can you get better exposure for the price? : :I do feel sympathy for those that were treated badly in the past. Poor :Ron Hawkins -- always being outed as an HDS employee after every :opinionated post. Poor Steve Comstock -- criticized for advertising his :z/OS training too often. Poor Brian Westerman -- hammered for :mentioning an upcoming beta test. And, who can forget poor Shai Hess, :who found many participants hostile to the idea of IBM-MAIN being :hi-jacked to launch his product. : :But that was the *old* IBM-MAIN. Shai should come back and see how :things have changed. I truly hope he does. That way, I won't have to buy :those beers at SCIDS in Austin! Come back, Shai. Please! ;-) -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 09:42 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: How refreshing to see that IBM-MAIN has become the new forum for advertising the merits of one's own world class products. And, why not? Where else can you get better exposure for the price? Mmmm - sign of the times I'm afraid. At least Norman now (sometimes) includes his association with the vendor in question. A question was asked, he responded. When questions get raised here, sometimes products get dumped on, so vendors defending/promoting their products also must be expected. I prefer they react here (in public) rather than complaining/threatening in private. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A Refreshing Change (Was: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF)
How refreshing to see that IBM-MAIN has become the new forum for advertising the merits of one's own world class products. And, why not? Where else can you get better exposure for the price? The guy was explaining/answering issues/questions about the product. But, I think he went too far. The advertising part should not have been included. After answering, he should have just said... Contact me at ... for more information. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
Has anyone ever switched their users from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF? Duane -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. On Mon Apr 21 14:39 , Duane Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Has anyone ever switched their users from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF? Duane -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
snip SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides information about Jobs in the JES queue. snip I'd look at EJES if I was going to switch over. From the above comment SYSVIEW can be done by EJES and it is certainly a much better product than SDSF. JMO Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
Perhaps you haven't looked at it for a few (several) years, Gary. SYSVIEW provides a perfectly useable spool interface; it even lets you set a parameter to use SDSF commands. I found the screen tailoring capabilities of SYSVIEW superior to SDSF. Add in all the rest of its capabilities, and it's enough to make a geek swoon. SYSVIEW gets my vote. Cheers,,,Steve Steve Conway Lead Systems Programmer Information Systems Services Division Computer Network Operations Phone: (703) 450-3156 Fax:(703) 450-3197 Gary Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 04/21/2008 03:09 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. On Mon Apr 21 14:39 , Duane Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Has anyone ever switched their users from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF? Duane -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
Not completely true. Sysview can also act as a very good spool management utility in addition to the functions you mentioned and many others (way too many to list). When I was at a previous company, we actually replaced SDSF with Sysview. That was several years ago when SDSF wasn't as nice as it is today. However, I still like Sysview better but today I use SDSF. Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. On Mon Apr 21 14:39 , Duane Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Has anyone ever switched their users from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF? Duane -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
No, actually they do. You can get the JES2 features of Sysview that allow you to manipulate the JES like SDSF. I prefer SDSF, but one of the place I am now uses it extensively. Fortunately they also have SDSF so I was not forced to use Sysview, but I have learned a bit about it, and can use it with JES output, syslog displays, etc. Doug Fuerst Gary Green wrote: Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. snip? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
SYSVIEW absolutely provides the exact same information and processes that you use in SDSF today. In fact, SYSVIEW provides more information than SDSF. You can use the same commands that you use in SDSF, today. The SPOOL feature is included with the base product. And if TSO is not up and available, you can do the same things with access from VTAM, CICS and even z/VM-CMS. But SYSVIEW is a lot more than just a facility for SPOOL management. It is a world class Performance monitor for z/OS, CICS, IMS, Websphere MQ, TCP/IP, USS, WLM, SysPlex, and Datacom (Roscoe if you are one of the fortunate still using it). If you would like additional information, feel free to send me direct eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And thanks to those who had good words about SYSVIEW and are using it today. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 03:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF No, actually they do. You can get the JES2 features of Sysview that allow you to manipulate the JES like SDSF. I prefer SDSF, but one of the place I am now uses it extensively. Fortunately they also have SDSF so I was not forced to use Sysview, but I have learned a bit about it, and can use it with JES output, syslog displays, etc. Doug Fuerst Gary Green wrote: Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. snip? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
What was SYSVIEWs name before CA bought it? George Fogg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF SYSVIEW absolutely provides the exact same information and processes that you use in SDSF today. In fact, SYSVIEW provides more information than SDSF. You can use the same commands that you use in SDSF, today. The SPOOL feature is included with the base product. And if TSO is not up and available, you can do the same things with access from VTAM, CICS and even z/VM-CMS. But SYSVIEW is a lot more than just a facility for SPOOL management. It is a world class Performance monitor for z/OS, CICS, IMS, Websphere MQ, TCP/IP, USS, WLM, SysPlex, and Datacom (Roscoe if you are one of the fortunate still using it). If you would like additional information, feel free to send me direct eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And thanks to those who had good words about SYSVIEW and are using it today. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 03:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF No, actually they do. You can get the JES2 features of Sysview that allow you to manipulate the JES like SDSF. I prefer SDSF, but one of the place I am now uses it extensively. Fortunately they also have SDSF so I was not forced to use Sysview, but I have learned a bit about it, and can use it with JES output, syslog displays, etc. Doug Fuerst Gary Green wrote: Ah... These two products do not provide the same informaiton. SYSVIEW provides internal, control-block structure information (at a minimum) while SDSF (Spool Display and Search Facility) provides informaiton about Jobs in the JES queue. snip? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
What was SYSVIEWs name before CA bought it? George Fogg SYSVIEW. It was part of OPS/MVS. I can't remember the vendor. The new name is CA-SYSVIEW. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
NO- it was never part of OPS/MVS. But we do have tight integration with it. CA SYSVIEW has come a long way from its original incarnation from Legent days. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 05:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF What was SYSVIEWs name before CA bought it? George Fogg SYSVIEW. It was part of OPS/MVS. I can't remember the vendor. The new name is CA-SYSVIEW. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
NO- it was never part of OPS/MVS. But we do have tight integration with it. CA SYSVIEW has come a long way from its original incarnation from Legent days. Ok. I don't understand. We had OPS/MVS and SYSVIEW at a site, long before CA bought it. I was always able to get into it through the OPS/MVS ISPF panels. If it wasn't OPS/MVS, who had it before CA? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
You can absolutely get data from SYSVIEW from OPS/MVS. And vice versa. You used a REXX API. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 06:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF NO- it was never part of OPS/MVS. But we do have tight integration with it. CA SYSVIEW has come a long way from its original incarnation from Legent days. Ok. I don't understand. We had OPS/MVS and SYSVIEW at a site, long before CA bought it. I was always able to get into it through the OPS/MVS ISPF panels. If it wasn't OPS/MVS, who had it before CA? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
Norman, What I think Ted is referring to is that way back when OPS/MVS was still owned by Goal Systems, before Goal merged with Legent, OPS had a component called SYSVIEW. However, it was basically a SYSLOG viewer/filtering application that could be used as a console replacement, but also could be used to test OPS message rules by running against a subset of the past log. Once Legent and Goal merged, the OPS component was merged with some of the Legent automation tools functionality to improve on the product. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF You can absolutely get data from SYSVIEW from OPS/MVS. And vice versa. You used a REXX API. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 06:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF NO- it was never part of OPS/MVS. But we do have tight integration with it. CA SYSVIEW has come a long way from its original incarnation from Legent days. Ok. I don't understand. We had OPS/MVS and SYSVIEW at a site, long before CA bought it. I was always able to get into it through the OPS/MVS ISPF panels. If it wasn't OPS/MVS, who had it before CA? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF
The OPS/MVS SYSVIEW and the product SYSVIEW/E are completely different products even though they overlay on the SYSLOG viewing function. SYSVIEW/E was originaly called FAQSMVS from Goal Systems (pre 1988) and came out of the same development labs that developed FAQS for VSE. The overall level of user customisation in SYSVIEW/E was in the original product. With an extensive REXX API integrating other products, batch, native TSO, CICS, VTAM interfaces and combining a complete z/OS monitor toolkit it still blows SDSF away. IMHO. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne Driscoll Sent: 22 April 2008 05:14 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF Norman, What I think Ted is referring to is that way back when OPS/MVS was still owned by Goal Systems, before Goal merged with Legent, OPS had a component called SYSVIEW. However, it was basically a SYSLOG viewer/filtering application that could be used as a console replacement, but also could be used to test OPS message rules by running against a subset of the past log. Once Legent and Goal merged, the OPS component was merged with some of the Legent automation tools functionality to improve on the product. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF You can absolutely get data from SYSVIEW from OPS/MVS. And vice versa. You used a REXX API. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 SYSN 06:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: switch from CA-SYSVIEW to SDSF NO- it was never part of OPS/MVS. But we do have tight integration with it. CA SYSVIEW has come a long way from its original incarnation from Legent days. Ok. I don't understand. We had OPS/MVS and SYSVIEW at a site, long before CA bought it. I was always able to get into it through the OPS/MVS ISPF panels. If it wasn't OPS/MVS, who had it before CA? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: 16/04/2008 17:34 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1382 - Release Date: 16/04/2008 17:34 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
