Re: PM told no children overboard [The Australian]
At 02:28 PM 17-08-04 +1000, Sue Bolton wrote: A week or so ago we received a glossy newsletter from our local member. In it he gave the 'results' of a survey he conducted last year on how the government was doing. Naturally there was no mention of the strong opposition some of us expressed to the govt's refugee policies. Instead, he said that people were grateful for the govt's strong stand on border protection. In a private meeting in May 2002 he told me what a superb refugee assessment process the govt had in place - which I strongly refuted on good evidence. On several occasions he has commended me on the research I've done, and yet continues to perpetuate the myths. Self-interest takes precedence over social justice. Sue Certainly the Prime Minister is self-interested on the matter of truth And all the PM's horses and all the PM's men. John M. --- John Maynard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PO Box 600, Cowes VIC 3922 Australia --- -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
RE: More on: Praying for Rain
I can't help but wonder what's gone wrong. Did the Anglican Dean of Sydney give God the wrong coordinates or something? A quick look at the weather radar shows that most of the rain is falling on a narrow part of Sydney and out to sea. You can guess where that little yellow spot indicating high rainfall is, can't you? Meanwhile, out West, dry as a bone! http://www.weatherzone.com.au/local/local.jsp?obs=94776fcast=94776img=radarra d=004pcode=2317 - Greg -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
RE: More on: Praying for Rain
That would be assuming that god *listens* to the Anglican Dean of Sydney vbg I am sure that God listens to everyone. ... It's how he answers that matters. I couldn't help wondering whether the extremely *narrow* band of rain today was a sign to the Dean. ;-) - Greg -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: More on: Praying for Rain
Greg Crawford wrote: I am sure that God listens to everyone. Frankly, I doubt it. I think there are probably certain prayers and/or people that god very thankfully chooses not to listen to. Clare *** Clare Pascoe Henderson http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org Clergy Sexual Abuse in Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: unclassified - RE: Praying for Rain
Thanks Peter, I'll Have a look at the site All the best Paul Johnson ARMIDALE NSW Carer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Insights [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: Re: unclassified - RE: Praying for Rain Here is the site I was looking for, for NSW /ACT at least. It lists all Automatic Weather Stations (AWS) in that area. Other states should look for the entry Hourly Data for STATE AWS in their correcponding BoM page. http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN65091.shtml Best wishes, Peter - Original Message - From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ellis, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Insights [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: Re: unclassified - RE: Praying for Rain Peter, That's a great site Thanks Paul Johnson ARMIDALE NSW Carer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ellis, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'insights-l' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: sec: unclassified - RE: Praying for Rain It's raining in Canberra! For those quick enough, here's the Bureau of Meteorology radar image to prove it. http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR402.loop.shtml For those looking a little later, you might like to see a radar image of your own area, from this link. http://mirror.bom.gov.au/weather/radar/ Here are the current Daily Weather Observations: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/index.shtml There is also a neat page for reports from automatic weather stations near you... in text, updated hourly, http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDY03021.txt Peter -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm -- -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm -- -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: More on: Praying for Rain
- Original Message - From: Clare Pascoe Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Crawford wrote: I am sure that God listens to everyone. Frankly, I doubt it. I think there are probably certain prayers and/or people that god very thankfully chooses not to listen to. I agree with Greg, or the whole concept of forgiveness and repentence can be thrown out. On the rain issue, the Sydney Water Catchment Area to the south of Sydney certainly got some good rain yesterday and today, and perhaps even some snow this-afternoon! I think that the combined Churches that prayed for rain last Sunday need to pray for a sunny day this Sunday, our train has leaks in two carriages, and we have four full trips of school children behind a steam engine, and I don't want to clean it if it is wet! Later y'all Wesley -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: More on: Praying for Rain
Susan Wesley wrote: Frankly, I doubt it. I think there are probably certain prayers and/or people that god very thankfully chooses not to listen to. I agree with Greg, or the whole concept of forgiveness and repentence can be thrown out. I haven't thrown it out, because I don't have any problems with believing that god (supposing god is a personal being, which is debatable anyway) listens to all of the people some of the time, or some of the people all of the time, and is miraculously capable of working out who to listen to when. Forgiveness and repentance doesn't depend on god fitting into the neat little boxes we construct for [him]. Clare *** Clare Pascoe Henderson http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org Clergy Sexual Abuse in Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: More on: Praying for Rain
Susan Wesley wrote: No, but if someone repents and asks for God's forgiveness, but God has chosen not to listen to that person for whatever reason, then the idea that God forgives those who repent is on very shaky ground, and IMO can not stand. Only if you've omitted the possibility that god always chooses to listen when people repent. Clare *** Clare Pascoe Henderson http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org Clergy Sexual Abuse in Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: More on: Praying for Rain
Only if you've omitted the possibility that god always chooses to listen when people repent. But that suggests that God knows when we are going to repent which would mean either 1/ That God is listening to all people at all times; or, 2/ there is a degree of preordination! Welsey -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: More on: Praying for Rain
Susan Wesley wrote: Only if you've omitted the possibility that god always chooses to listen when people repent. But that suggests that God knows when we are going to repent which would mean either 1/ That God is listening to all people at all times; or, 2/ there is a degree of preordination! I don't think it necessarily suggests (1), and I don't have a problem with (2) if you're going to take the bible as authoritative. Quite frankly, I don't think this is going anywhere. It started from a flippant response to a flippant comment, nad I'm now finding myself having to create an argument based on something that to me is nothing more than an analogy in the first place. So unless you want to get into a serious debate about beliefs about god and how god operates, which I already know we differ significantly on, I can't see it as being a very productive conversation. Clare *** Clare Pascoe Henderson http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org Clergy Sexual Abuse in Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: More on: Praying for Rain
I have a vision of a God who hopes. Who has hope and is in the process of hoping. In the world and in us. Therefore God doesnt HAVE to listen, but does, out of hope. To have a God who chooses to not listen paints a picture of a God who has lost hope. Afterall... for God so loved the World (everything/everyone) and had hope God sent God's Son... and the Spirit. I felt like jumping in and saying that... For my God is a God of hope, without it Grace and Forgiveness wouldn't exist. Shalom -- Darren Wright Fool Youth and Family Worker UCA NSW Synod Presbytery of Canberra Region GPO Box 221. Canberra. ACT. 2601. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02 6248 9311 (office) The Gospel must be constantly forwarded to a new address, because the recipient is repeatedly changing place of residence. - Helmut Thielicke -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc
I am wondering whether our computer gurus can tell me if there is currently a degree of chaos ruling in the field of CDs and DVDs. On my old computer with a CD-RW/R drive, I used Easy CD Creator 4. It was possible to either use the software to add files to the CD, (in which case it could be read by all CD ROM drives), or use the UDF packet writer to format the CD and use it like a floppy (but only those computers with UDF readers could read it). I bought a new computer last year with a CD-R/RW DVD reader. It came with Nero Express and InCD software. I also have Win XP Pro OS. Formatting the CD-RWs using InCD results in them becoming unusable. The only way to add or delete files is using the Nero Express application. I have started to suspect the software is a dog, but I am also having problems with a DVD player. It started to hang. While waiting to get it fixed, someone loaned me theirs with the warning that it too occasionally plays up. They were right! AND a software company I know which recently released thousands of 3 CD copies of their updated software has had great trouble with unreadable CDs all around the world. So I am trying to figure out if all these things are connected. Are CD/DVDs falling over because of too many standards or are these things just unconnected events? Greg
Re: 100 Books Every Pastor/Leaderr Should Read?
Rowland and Jan Croucher wrote: "The best Bible? I'd go for the HarperCollins NRSV Study Bible (with the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books). The NRSV is generally considered by thoughtful scholar-pastors to be the best of all the translations today, not least because it's non-sexist." Pardon me if this seems like a silly question, but is there much difference between NIV and NRSV? I'm presently studying Theology through Coolamon and they recommend NRSV. My church uses NIV though, and this is the translation I use personally. I'm interested in the lists view on this. Thanks. Leo Perizzolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Original Message--- From: Rowland and Jan Croucher Date: 08/18/04 12:13:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 100 Books Every Pastor/Leaderr Should Read? What would you say are the100 essential books a literate Christian - particularly a pastor - should read? This list is grossly incomplete: I'd appreciate your help in refining it! Any response has to be personal/subjective of course. But as a counselor-of-clergy I know the time-constraints they're under. And I'm also coming from my own specialist field of Practical Theology (rather than, say, academic theology). I don't buy the excuse that pastors and Christian leaders are 'too busy to read': our task as pastor/teachers is to drink in the wisdom of the ages and pass it on to others. There's hardly anything - except prayer - which is more important. And there is a great need for 'lay' people to be more theologically literate (but while the church is plagued with clericalism they may not have too many opportunities to share what they learn with others... Pity). The best recommended reading list available today is Eugene Peterson's excellent guide Take and Read: Spiritual Reading, an Annotated List. It's well worth buying as a start to this quest. I won't generally mention the publishers: a good theological bookshop has all that info on their computers. And there's Google, Amazon.com and ABE Books. The best Bible? I'd go for the HarperCollins NRSV Study Bible (with the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books). The NRSV is generally considered by thoughtful scholar-pastors to be the best of all the translations today, not least because it's non-sexist. Best parts of the Bible? For me they would be Psalm 27, Isaiah 40, the Sermon on the Mount, 1 Corinthians 13, 1 Peter and the Book of Revelation. Best Prayer Book? Either the New Zealand or Australian Anglican Prayer Books. They both have morning and evening prayers for each day, and I think are brilliant! The little-known Roget's Thesaurus of the Bible (A.Colin Day, Marshall Pickering) is excellent if you're looking for Biblical sources of various themes. If you want to start with a basic one-volume Bible Commentary and the companion Dictionaries/ Encyclopedias of the Bible/Theology/Psychology/ Apologetics etc., get the Baker series edited by George Elwell and others. But if you're going to be a serious student of the Scriptures, you'll need the six-volume Anchor Bible Dictionary, and the multi-volume New Interpreters' Bible Commentaries. You get more value for the dollar/pound in Dictionaries of this-and-that than buying books on individual themes, in my opinion. I'd highly recommend anything by Gordon Fee - particularly his How to Read the Bible For All Its Worth. I attended a course he taught in Hong Kong last year, and would rate him the best Pentecostal expositor of the Bible in the English language. I'm asking various biblical scholars for their recommendations for the best contemporary commentary for each book of the Bible (particularly as raw material for preaching, rather than for pure academic scholarship), if you could only afford one. For the Psalms, get Walter Brueggemann's The Message of the Psalms: A Theological Commentary. I agree with Eugene Peterson: this is the best introduction to the Psalms as spirituality. (Buy anything by Walter Brueggemann: he's the best popular speaker/writer on the Old Testament today. And he's marvelous to listen to on tape as well). On the Book of Revelation: I shared a conference recently with someone doing their PhD on Revelation, who said 'Don't buy anything written before 1990!' His recommendations: Aune (the best), Boring, Harrington or Beale's commentaries. You should get a set of William Barclay's commentaries on the New Testament - they're quite commonly found in Op/Charity shops. (But in Third World countries you can get 'em cheap: I bought a whole set in India for about $10 Australian). Just one book on preaching? Buy the excellent Concise Encyclopedia of Preaching (William Willimon / Richard Lischer editors). Anything by William Willimon on preaching is worth reading. Michael Duduit (ed.) Handbook of Contemporary Preaching is good. The best collection of sermons I've seen is Thomas Long Cornelius Plantinga's A Chorus of Witnesses: Model Sermons for Today's Preacher (although it's weighted towards American
Re: Sexual abuse of the male
Greg wrote: Males seem to have a different perception about being abused Intellectually, I can construe such actions, and such potential actions, as sexual harassment and sexual abuse; but something in my male psyche would stop me from ever making a complaint. I don't think I am unusual as a male. Is this a male thing? Greg, for me your question leads to the bigger problem of society's, (both now and previously), indoctrination of males as being "the stronger sex" and the whole culture of it being OK for men "to be sexed up". Unfortunately, this often leads to men (males)believing it is OK or even "cool" to receive sexual "advances" from older women. Basically, for me, any sexual advance by an adult to a minor is an abuse of that child's human rights, whether it be male or female. The issue at hand, I feel, just goes to show how much the silence that is sexual abuse, needs to be broken. The sooner our children, both male and female, are educated that it is not OK for an adult to make sexual advances to them, the sooner these predators will lose their power. The other thing that your reflection brought up for me was- By perpetrating this action, hasn't this teacher justified the whole "male power" episode to your psyche? No reflection on you Greg, I'm just using your example. But in this situation isn't the teacher "feeding" the student's perception that it is OK to do this because "I am a male and I should be flattered that a woman wants me when I'm not even an adult yet" orthe whole machopeer group situation of, "Hey boys look at me , ain't I a stud?". Sadly, instances such as you have described are an all too common occurrence these days- Is it any wonder our boys are growing up unconsciously (consciously?) believing that it is OK to exert sexual power over women? Could this be part of the reason that boys are growing up to be scared of women and showing their feelings? Just a bit of food for thought! Leo Perizzolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 100 Books Every Pastor/Leaderr Should Read?
Clare wrote: When Ministers Sin, by Neil and Thea Ormerod.Should be required reading, over and over again, for ministers, and laity not excluded since they need to understand the power dynamics in pastoral relationships too. And not only for clergy-parishioner relationships; the god-man relationship is HUGELY power-imbalanced and not to understand that blinds believers to a lot of abusive theology. Absolutely! Along the same lines there is an excellent Australian book by Paul Libby Whetham titled "Hard to be Holy". The content is drawn from interviews with ministers and is quite an eye opener to the struggles, temptations and fers of the clergy. Leo Perizzolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Original Message--- From: Clare Pascoe Henderson Date: 08/18/04 16:01:21 To: insights Subject: Re: 100 Books Every Pastor/Leaderr Should Read?
Fw: Re: Sexual abuse of the male
To: Insights-list Subject: Re: Sexual abuse of the male Greg wrote: Males seem to have a different perception about being abused Intellectually, I can construe such actions, and such potential actions, as sexual harassment and sexual abuse; but something in my male psyche would stop me from ever making a complaint. I don't think I am unusual as a male. Is this a male thing? Greg, for me your question leads to the bigger problem of society's, (both now and previously), indoctrination of males as being "the stronger sex" and the whole culture of it being OK for men "to be sexed up". Unfortunately, this often leads to men (males)believing it is OK or even "cool" to receive sexual "advances" from older women. Basically, for me, any sexual advance by an adult to a minor is an abuse of that child's human rights, whether it be male or female. The issue at hand, I feel, just goes to show how much the silence that is sexual abuse, needs to be broken. The sooner our children, both male and female, are educated that it is not OK for an adult to make sexual advances to them, the sooner these predators will lose their power. The other thing that your reflection brought up for me was- By perpetrating this action, hasn't this teacher justified the whole "male power" episode to your psyche? No reflection on you Greg, I'm just using your example. But in this situation isn't the teacher "feeding" the student's perception that it is OK to do this because "I am a male and I should be flattered that a woman wants me when I'm not even an adult yet" orthe whole machopeer group situation of, "Hey boys look at me , ain't I a stud?". Sadly, instances such as you have described are an all too common occurrence these days- Is it any wonder our boys are growing up unconsciously (consciously?) believing that it is OK to exert sexual power over women? Could this be part of the reason that boys are growing up to be scared of women and showing their feelings? Just a bit of food for thought! Leo Perizzolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: Re: Sexual abuse of the male
To: Insights-list Subject: Re: Sexual abuse of the male Greg wrote: Males seem to have a different perception about being abused Intellectually, I can construe such actions, and such potential actions, as sexual harassment and sexual abuse; but something in my male psyche would stop me from ever making a complaint. I don't think I am unusual as a male. Is this a male thing? Greg, for me your question leads to the bigger problem of society's, (both now and previously), indoctrination of males as being "the stronger sex" and the whole culture of it being OK for men "to be sexed up". Unfortunately, this often leads to men (males)believing it is OK or even "cool" to receive sexual "advances" from older women. Basically, for me, any sexual advance by an adult to a minor is an abuse of that child's human rights, whether it be male or female. The issue at hand, I feel, just goes to show how much the silence that is sexual abuse, needs to be broken. The sooner our children, both male and female, are educated that it is not OK for an adult to make sexual advances to them, the sooner these predators will lose their power. The other thing that your reflection brought up for me was- By perpetrating this action, hasn't this teacher justified the whole "male power" episode to your psyche? No reflection on you Greg, I'm just using your example. But in this situation isn't the teacher "feeding" the student's perception that it is OK to do this because "I am a male and I should be flattered that a woman wants me when I'm not even an adult yet" orthe whole machopeer group situation of, "Hey boys look at me , ain't I a stud?". Sadly, instances such as you have described are an all too common occurrence these days- Is it any wonder our boys are growing up unconsciously (consciously?) believing that it is OK to exert sexual power over women? Could this be part of the reason that boys are growing up to be scared of women and showing their feelings? Just a bit of food for thought! Leo Perizzolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doddering what?
Actually I was wrong, it was DeAnne Kelly - always confuse them! On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:32:58 +1000, Sue wrote: I think the Howard Government person was Danna Vale??? On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:06:06 +1000, you wrote: Can anyone give me the exact quote from the Howard Government person regards the retired? Was there a Dackery in there? Is that some kind of alcoholic drink? (Pardon my ignorance.) - Greg Sue Bolton Sydney, Australia -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm -- Sue Bolton Sydney, Australia -- - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm --
Re: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc
Greg, I'm very new at burn CD's but I can tell you that I have similar problems with "Nero Express" that came with the CD Burner, but the CD burner also came with Nero Burner which seem to have less problems. I burn my jpeg files to disk and with express they don't want to load up in the TV DVD play but with the other they do. Express seems to format the CD's differently, so I tend to do it the slow way, Then at the checked box, check the box verify data of Disk withCD ROM. This way tents to have less problems.Then I know if it has worked or not. As for the rest I don't know. Thatwill have to be up to someone else to help I only have a CD Burner at the moment, but with be getting a DVD Burner soon. What I can tell you is that when you go into the program to click on update, there is a link in the program to update onceyou register the software to update with the latest software. As you know MP3's cannot be burnt with Nero unless you already have a purchase copy of this decoder install before Nero is installed, something about Nero would have to pay for it, its not included, so the only way to use this, is to purchase your own. My 2.2 cents Take Care Paul JohnsonARMIDALE NSWCarerEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Crawford To: insights-l Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc I am wondering whether our computer gurus can tell me if there is currently a degree of chaos ruling in the field of CDs and DVDs. On my old computer with a CD-RW/R drive, I used Easy CD Creator 4. It was possible to either use the software to add files to the CD, (in which case it could be read by all CD ROM drives), or use the UDF packet writer to format the CD and use it like a floppy (but only those computers with UDF readers could read it). I bought a new computer last year with a CD-R/RW DVD reader. It came with Nero Express and InCD software. I also have Win XP Pro OS. Formatting the CD-RWs using InCD results in them becoming unusable. The only way to add or delete files is using the Nero Express application. I have started to suspect the software is a dog, but I am also having problems with a DVD player. It started to hang. While waiting to get it fixed, someone loaned me theirs with the warning that it too occasionally plays up. They were right! AND a software company I know which recently released thousands of 3 CD copies of their updated software has had great trouble with unreadable CDs all around the world. So I am trying to figure out if all these things are connected. Are CD/DVDs falling over because of too many standards or are these things just unconnected events? Greg
Fw: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc
- Original Message - From: Paul Johnson To: Greg Crawford Cc: Insights Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc Greg, One other thing, with the use of CD-RW instead of CD-R and the verification process you with have less discarded CD's Bye for now Paul JohnsonARMIDALE NSWCarerEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Crawford To: insights-l Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc I am wondering whether our computer gurus can tell me if there is currently a degree of chaos ruling in the field of CDs and DVDs. On my old computer with a CD-RW/R drive, I used Easy CD Creator 4. It was possible to either use the software to add files to the CD, (in which case it could be read by all CD ROM drives), or use the UDF packet writer to format the CD and use it like a floppy (but only those computers with UDF readers could read it). I bought a new computer last year with a CD-R/RW DVD reader. It came with Nero Express and InCD software. I also have Win XP Pro OS. Formatting the CD-RWs using InCD results in them becoming unusable. The only way to add or delete files is using the Nero Express application. I have started to suspect the software is a dog, but I am also having problems with a DVD player. It started to hang. While waiting to get it fixed, someone loaned me theirs with the warning that it too occasionally plays up. They were right! AND a software company I know which recently released thousands of 3 CD copies of their updated software has had great trouble with unreadable CDs all around the world. So I am trying to figure out if all these things are connected. Are CD/DVDs falling over because of too many standards or are these things just unconnected events? Greg
RE: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc
Paul, In the early hours of this morning I delved deep into the Nero website and found that you can update InCD for free and are well-advised to. The fact that you can do it for free is not readily apparent and only emerges after searching through their FAQs. The website gives the impression that you must pay for an upgrade to Nero 6, but InCD, a component of Nero 6, is actually free. After I upgraded InCD to version 4, the format process worked and it was possible to read, write and erase on a CD-RW. The relevant URL is: http://www.nero.com/en/FAQs_InCD4.html#9 Click on FAQ #9 for the download link. You may also be interested in the user guide see link under FAQ #1. This solved my problem with that particular software, but there still remain unanswered questions for me about the state of CD/DVD technology. Greg Crawford http://www.nelsonbay.com/~gc/observatory.htm From: insights-l[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:insights-l[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Johnson Sent: Thursday, 19 August 2004 9:53 AM To: Greg Crawford Cc: Insights Subject: Re: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc Greg, I'm very new at burn CD's but I can tell you that I have similar problems with Nero Express that came with the CD Burner, but the CD burner also came with Nero Burner which seem to have less problems. I burn my jpeg files to disk and with express they don't want to load up in the TV DVD play but with the other they do. Express seems to format the CD's differently, so I tend to do it the slow way, Then at the checked box, check the box verify data of Disk withCD ROM. This way tents to have less problems.Then I know if it has worked or not. As for the rest I don't know. Thatwill have to be up to someone else to help I only have a CD Burner at the moment, but with be getting a DVD Burner soon. What I can tell you is that when you go into the program to click on update, there is a link in the program to update onceyou register the software to update with the latest software. As you know MP3's cannot be burnt with Nero unless you already have a purchase copy of this decoder install before Nero is installed, something about Nero would have to pay for it, its not included, so the only way to use this, is to purchase your own. My 2.2 cents Take Care Paul Johnson ARMIDALE NSW Carer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Crawford To: insights-l Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc I am wondering whether our computer gurus can tell me if there is currently a degree of chaos ruling in the field of CDs and DVDs. On my old computer with a CD-RW/R drive, I used Easy CD Creator 4. It was possible to either use the software to add files to the CD, (in which case it could be read by all CD ROM drives), or use the UDF packet writer to format the CD and use it like a floppy (but only those computers with UDF readers could read it). I bought a new computer last year with a CD-R/RW DVD reader. It came with Nero Express and InCD software. I also have Win XP Pro OS. Formatting the CD-RWs using InCD results in them becoming unusable. The only way to add or delete files is using the Nero Express application. I have started to suspect the software is a dog, but I am also having problems with a DVD player. It started to hang. While waiting to get it fixed, someone loaned me theirs with the warning that it too occasionally plays up. They were right! AND a software company I know which recently released thousands of 3 CD copies of their updated software has had great trouble with unreadable CDs all around the world. So I am trying to figure out if all these things are connected. Are CD/DVDs falling over because of too many standards or are these things just unconnected events? Greg
Re: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc
Greg, OK, yes I have never had the need to go to version 6 of the software because I don't use Nero Express, choose to use the slower program for obvious reasons. As far as DVD Burning maybe other Software available? Another software company. My new DVD Burner will be made by Pioneer and Not the company that makes that other Burner. So maybe others could help with the DVD Burner problemgood luck with that? All the best Paul JohnsonARMIDALE NSWCarerEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Crawford To: 'Paul Johnson' Cc: 'Insights' Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: RE: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc Paul, In the early hours of this morning I delved deep into the Nero website and found that you can update InCD for free and are well-advised to. The fact that you can do it for free is not readily apparent and only emerges after searching through their FAQs. The website gives the impression that you must pay for an upgrade to Nero 6, but InCD, a component of Nero 6, is actually free. After I upgraded InCD to version 4, the format process worked and it was possible to read, write and erase on a CD-RW. The relevant URL is: http://www.nero.com/en/FAQs_InCD4.html#9 Click on FAQ #9 for the download link. You may also be interested in the user guide see link under FAQ #1. This solved my problem with that particular software, but there still remain unanswered questions for me about the state of CD/DVD technology. Greg Crawford http://www.nelsonbay.com/~gc/observatory.htm From: insights-l[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:insights-l[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul JohnsonSent: Thursday, 19 August 2004 9:53 AMTo: Greg CrawfordCc: InsightsSubject: Re: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc Greg, I'm very new at burn CD's but I can tell you that I have similar problems with "Nero Express" that came with the CD Burner, but the CD burner also came with Nero Burner which seem to have less problems. I burn my jpeg files to disk and with express they don't want to load up in the TV DVD play but with the other they do. Express seems to format the CD's differently, so I tend to do it the slow way, Then at the checked box, check the box verify data of Disk withCD ROM. This way tents to have less problems.Then I know if it has worked or not. As for the rest I don't know. Thatwill have to be up to someone else to help I only have a CD Burner at the moment, but with be getting a DVD Burner soon. What I can tell you is that when you go into the program to click on update, there is a link in the program to update onceyou register the software to update with the latest software. As you know MP3's cannot be burnt with Nero unless you already have a purchase copy of this decoder install before Nero is installed, something about Nero would have to pay for it, its not included, so the only way to use this, is to purchase your own. My 2.2 cents Take Care Paul JohnsonARMIDALE NSWCarerEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Crawford To: insights-l Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc I am wondering whether our computer gurus can tell me if there is currently a degree of chaos ruling in the field of CDs and DVDs. On my old computer with a CD-RW/R drive, I used Easy CD Creator 4. It was possible to either use the software to add files to the CD, (in which case it could be read by all CD ROM drives), or use the UDF packet writer to format the CD and use it like a floppy (but only those computers with UDF readers could read it). I bought a new computer last year with a CD-R/RW DVD reader. It came with Nero Express and InCD software. I also have Win XP Pro OS. Formatting the CD-RWs using InCD results in them becoming unusable. The only way to add or delete files is using the Nero Express application. I have started to suspect the software is a dog, but I am also having problems with a DVD player. It started to hang. While waiting to get it fixed, someone loaned me theirs with the warning that it too occasionally plays up. They were right! AND a software company I know which recently released thousands of 3 CD copies of their updated software has had great trouble with unreadable CDs all around the world. So I am trying to figure out if all these things are connected. Are CD/DVDs falling over because of too many standards or are these things just unconnected events? Greg
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- Original Message - From: Paul Johnson To: Greg Crawford Cc: Insights Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc Greg, I had a look at the Q and A, and that relates to Windows Media Player version 7, XP conflicts . I use media Player 9.0, win 98SE and Nero 6 Maybe our problem are unrelated Paul JohnsonARMIDALE NSWCarerEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Crawford To: 'Paul Johnson' Cc: 'Insights' Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: RE: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc Paul, In the early hours of this morning I delved deep into the Nero website and found that you can update InCD for free and are well-advised to. The fact that you can do it for free is not readily apparent and only emerges after searching through their FAQs. The website gives the impression that you must pay for an upgrade to Nero 6, but InCD, a component of Nero 6, is actually free. After I upgraded InCD to version 4, the format process worked and it was possible to read, write and erase on a CD-RW. The relevant URL is: http://www.nero.com/en/FAQs_InCD4.html#9 Click on FAQ #9 for the download link. You may also be interested in the user guide see link under FAQ #1. This solved my problem with that particular software, but there still remain unanswered questions for me about the state of CD/DVD technology. Greg Crawford http://www.nelsonbay.com/~gc/observatory.htm From: insights-l[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:insights-l[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul JohnsonSent: Thursday, 19 August 2004 9:53 AMTo: Greg CrawfordCc: InsightsSubject: Re: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc Greg, I'm very new at burn CD's but I can tell you that I have similar problems with "Nero Express" that came with the CD Burner, but the CD burner also came with Nero Burner which seem to have less problems. I burn my jpeg files to disk and with express they don't want to load up in the TV DVD play but with the other they do. Express seems to format the CD's differently, so I tend to do it the slow way, Then at the checked box, check the box verify data of Disk withCD ROM. This way tents to have less problems.Then I know if it has worked or not. As for the rest I don't know. Thatwill have to be up to someone else to help I only have a CD Burner at the moment, but with be getting a DVD Burner soon. What I can tell you is that when you go into the program to click on update, there is a link in the program to update onceyou register the software to update with the latest software. As you know MP3's cannot be burnt with Nero unless you already have a purchase copy of this decoder install before Nero is installed, something about Nero would have to pay for it, its not included, so the only way to use this, is to purchase your own. My 2.2 cents Take Care Paul JohnsonARMIDALE NSWCarerEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Crawford To: insights-l Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: A Computer Question: CD-R/RWs, DVDs, etc I am wondering whether our computer gurus can tell me if there is currently a degree of chaos ruling in the field of CDs and DVDs. On my old computer with a CD-RW/R drive, I used Easy CD Creator 4. It was possible to either use the software to add files to the CD, (in which case it could be read by all CD ROM drives), or use the UDF packet writer to format the CD and use it like a floppy (but only those computers with UDF readers could read it). I bought a new computer last year with a CD-R/RW DVD reader. It came with Nero Express and InCD software. I also have Win XP Pro OS. Formatting the CD-RWs using InCD results in them becoming unusable. The only way to add or delete files is using the Nero Express application. I have started to suspect the software is a dog, but I am also having problems with a DVD player. It started to hang. While waiting to get it fixed, someone loaned me theirs with the warning that it too occasionally plays up. They were right! AND a software company I know which recently released thousands of 3 CD copies of their updated software has had great trouble with unreadable CDs all around the world. So I am trying to figure out if all these things are connected. Are CD/DVDs falling over because of too many standards or are these things just unconnected events? Greg
