Re: [PHP-DEV] Fwd: [PHP] php with threaded MPM problem ?
Rashmi Badan wrote: The test was trying to load mod_php between graceful restarts, i.e start apache without mod_php, then modify the config file to load it and do a graceful restart. This clearly fails because mod_php loads only on the second load within apache. It does this by setting some pool user data in the beginning of sapi_apache2.c:php_apache_server_startup(). So I'd have to do two graceful restarts for it to take effect. PHP has never worked well with graceful restarts. Frankly, there are some Apache things that never seemed to do well either. I gave up on graceful restarts 8 years ago. Maybe they are better now. Just do a full restart and all will be fine. If this is so mission critical that you can't be down for 2 seconds, you need more servers and load balancing. Or if you are restarting your server that often, something else is likely wrong. As for changing the code, a patch that does not break anything would be the way to approach the list. It was probably done the way it is done for a reason. -- Brian Moon Senior Developer -- When you care enough to spend the very least. http://dealnews.com/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Fwd: [PHP] php with threaded MPM problem ?
Brian Moon schreef: Rashmi Badan wrote: The test was trying to load mod_php between graceful restarts, i.e start apache without mod_php, then modify the config file to load it and do a graceful restart. This clearly fails because mod_php loads only on the second load within apache. It does this by setting some pool user data in the beginning of sapi_apache2.c:php_apache_server_startup(). So I'd have to do two graceful restarts for it to take effect. PHP has never worked well with graceful restarts. Frankly, there are some Apache things that never seemed to do well either. I gave up on graceful restarts 8 years ago. Maybe they are better now. could anyone else confirm/deny that this is [still] the case? (i.e. avoid graceful restarts when using php) Just do a full restart and all will be fine. If this is so mission critical that you can't be down for 2 seconds, you need more servers and load balancing. Or if you are restarting your server that often, something else is likely wrong. As for changing the code, a patch that does not break anything would be the way to approach the list. It was probably done the way it is done for a reason. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Fwd: [PHP] php with threaded MPM problem ?
I use graceful restart quite often. Frankly, I have no idea why it may fail to work :) Indeed, when you request a graceful restart, apache will start next set of children processes and all existing processes will stop getting and processing any new requests so they will exit as soon as they finish current ones. It's a very neat feature, especially if you care of your visitors and for example don't want to break their long downloads. Finally it works fine for me (apache 2.0 + php 4.3) If you get any problems I'd recommend to check extended status (see Apache manual on what it is) and enable debug level for the logs. In case of crashes in php, please follow appropriate instructions and submit report at bugs.php.net Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Moon schreef: Rashmi Badan wrote: The test was trying to load mod_php between graceful restarts, i.e start apache without mod_php, then modify the config file to load it and do a graceful restart. This clearly fails because mod_php loads only on the second load within apache. It does this by setting some pool user data in the beginning of sapi_apache2.c:php_apache_server_startup(). So I'd have to do two graceful restarts for it to take effect. PHP has never worked well with graceful restarts. Frankly, there are some Apache things that never seemed to do well either. I gave up on graceful restarts 8 years ago. Maybe they are better now. could anyone else confirm/deny that this is [still] the case? (i.e. avoid graceful restarts when using php) Just do a full restart and all will be fine. If this is so mission critical that you can't be down for 2 seconds, you need more servers and load balancing. Or if you are restarting your server that often, something else is likely wrong. As for changing the code, a patch that does not break anything would be the way to approach the list. It was probably done the way it is done for a reason. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Fwd: [PHP] php with threaded MPM problem ?
Graceful restarts work absolutely fine for me as well - only when I had php enabled in the first place. What does work is this - Start apache without mod_php - change your httpd.conf to load mod_php - now do a graceful restart Apache will start fine without pa problem. Now send a request - anything that might invoke the php_handler, maybe just setting up a connection should do it. You will see a failure/crash. Ofcourse you would have to configure your mod_php with the TSRM and ZTS thingie. If you still don't see a crash then I'd be curious because according to the code it should :) Rgds, Rashmi On Dec 20, 2007 5:09 AM, jvlad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use graceful restart quite often. Frankly, I have no idea why it may fail to work :) Indeed, when you request a graceful restart, apache will start next set of children processes and all existing processes will stop getting and processing any new requests so they will exit as soon as they finish current ones. It's a very neat feature, especially if you care of your visitors and for example don't want to break their long downloads. Finally it works fine for me (apache 2.0 + php 4.3) If you get any problems I'd recommend to check extended status (see Apache manual on what it is) and enable debug level for the logs. In case of crashes in php, please follow appropriate instructions and submit report at bugs.php.net Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Moon schreef: Rashmi Badan wrote: The test was trying to load mod_php between graceful restarts, i.estart apache without mod_php, then modify the config file to load it and do a graceful restart. This clearly fails because mod_php loads only on the second load within apache. It does this by setting some pool user data in the beginning of sapi_apache2.c:php_apache_server_startup(). So I'd have to do two graceful restarts for it to take effect. PHP has never worked well with graceful restarts. Frankly, there are some Apache things that never seemed to do well either. I gave up on graceful restarts 8 years ago. Maybe they are better now. could anyone else confirm/deny that this is [still] the case? (i.e. avoid graceful restarts when using php) Just do a full restart and all will be fine. If this is so mission critical that you can't be down for 2 seconds, you need more servers and load balancing. Or if you are restarting your server that often, something else is likely wrong. As for changing the code, a patch that does not break anything would be the way to approach the list. It was probably done the way it is done for a reason. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
