RE: Proposal: A replacement for 3D Secure

2002-05-28 Thread Don Park

Do I understand correctly that the convenience provided by this proposal
basically amounts to cardholder typing in a URL instead of a card number? -
Don



Re: Proposal: A replacement for 3D Secure

2002-05-27 Thread Sebastian Kübeck

Hi Anders,

About the proposition:

I think the main problem of 3D Secure is that
it's only an authentication mechanism and not
a payment protocol at all.
Compared to SET, the seperation auf authentication
mechanism and payment protocol is a huge step back.

About core technology:

it's interresting that in Jannuary, we had a similar idea.
However, we didn't think that the customer wants to remember
the issuer's domain, so we proposed a lookup mechanism 
(similar to DNS) mapping the user's eMail adress to the
domain of his/her issuing bank.

About the idea:

Great approach!

Yours,

Sebastian Kübeck

QENTA paymentsolutions  sebastian kübeck
www.qenta.com   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Anders Rundgren wrote:
 
 Dear e-Payers,
 
 A SUCCESSOR TO 3D SECURE
 Working with state-of-the-art e-commerce solutions and standards
 based on Web Services, I see an opportunity to create a system that
 would inherit the core 3D Secure idea (the Issuer doing the actual
 payment-transaction), but among many things, offering a better
 user experience by instead of asking for credit card data, ask the
 user to input the issuer's domain name.  Like bigbank.com.
 This makes even more sense when /if cards get fully virtual, as
 then there will be no credit-cards to keep in your purse anymore,
 or for shared company-cards, as memorizing huge non-static
 numbers is much harder than just remembering the name of a bank.
 A further advantage is that almost the entire payment-process
 can GUI-wise be performed in the bank (like card selection),
 rather than by more or less arbitrary merchant-defined
 applications.
 
 THE PROPOSITION
 I'm interested in forming a vendor-neutral consortium for
 creating a 3D Secure replacement based on other principles,
 that would not only support credit-card transactions for *any*
 brand, but local account-to-account transaction-schemes as
 well.  This would make sense for both merchants, and banks, that
 probably are less than happy about the current situation, with
 solutions that are all over the map for no apparent reason, but
 the competition between different card-brands and proprietary
 payment-schemes.   A successor of 3D Secure should be neutral,
 distributed, and locally adaptable to become the norm.  OASIS-
 open is a possible place for hosting such a project.
 
 THE CORE TECHNOLOGY
 As far as I understand. 3D Secure relies on a VISA directory to
 map a PAN-code to an issuer URL, but by using Web Services,
 Web Service Discovery, and DNS SRV records, you can achieve
 the same (or actually considerably better), functionality for the
 user as described in the first section.  I.e. using DNS which is
 already globally available, and completely decentralized, seems
 like a much better idea than creating brand-specific, centrally
 maintained, one-function-directories.
 For those who are deeply into technology and want to know
 even more about the anticipated principles behind the proposed
 3D Secure replacement, the following URL shows a B2B-
 scenario, that does practically the same thing for the creation
 of purchase orders (with the exception that DNS SRV-records
 were not used):
   http://www.x-obi.com/OBI400/OBI4-sc-New-Customer-Order.doc
 I.e. you should think of the buying organization as an Issuer and
 the purchase order a signed payment transaction.  As you may note,
 the number of [server] steps are maybe double that of 3D Secure,
 but our experience with the OBI Express B2B-standard-to-be,
  (can be tested at  https://buyer.x-obi.com/BuyerASP/buyer )
 indicates that this is no longer a problem.  For the end-users things
 remain as simple as possible.
 
 BE MOBILE AS WELL
 The proposed system is targeted to be equally suitable for mobile
 e-payments as well, regardless if the mobile user performs a local
 transaction, or a remote ditto.
 
 Any thoughts on this?
 
 Regards
 Anders Rundgren
 CEO X-OBI
 
 +46 70 - 627 74 37

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Sebastian Kübeck

QENTA paymentsolutions  sebastian kübeck
www.qenta.com   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: +43 316 81 36 81-0 fax: +43 316 81 36 81-20