RE: [IslamCity] RE: WHEN DO WE START FASTING
ilst travelling, whilst others shortened. Yet these, and other such differences, did not prevent them from collectively praying behind a single Imaam and deeming it to be acceptable. And this is because they knew that tafarruq (splitting-up) in the Religion is more evil than having ikhtilaaf (differences) in some opinions. Indeed, the matter with one of them reached the extent that he would not even deem acceptable any opinion which differed with the great Imaam in the major gatherings; such as the gathering at Minaa (during Hajj), to the extent that he would totally abandon acting upon his opinion in that gathering - fleeing from that which could result from this evil, because of acting according to his own opinion. Thus, Aboo Daawood relates (1/307) that 'Uthmaan (radiyallaahu 'anhu) prayed four rak'ahs at Minaa, so 'Abdullaah Ibn Mas'ood criticised him saying: "I prayed two rak'ahs with the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam), and two rak'ahs with Aboo Bakr, and two rak'ahs with 'Umar, and two rak'ahs with 'Uthmaan in the beginning of his rule, then he completed it (i.e. by praying four rak'ahs). After that the ways became divided with you all. So I hope from these four rak'ahs, that two of them would be accepted." Then Ibn Mas'ood prayed four rak'ahs. So it was said to him: You criticised 'Uthmaan, yet you prayed four? So he said: "Differing is evil." So those who continue splitting-up with regards to the Prayer, and who refuse to follow the local Imaams in some mosques - especially in the Witr Prayer during Ramadhaan - using as proof that this is against their madhhab (school of thought), then they should reflect upon the above mentioned hadeeth and athar (narration). Likewise, those who claim knowledge of astronomy and who, due to their opinion, fast and end their fast alone - preceding or lagging behind the majority of Muslims, not seeing any problem in doing so - should also reflect upon the previously quoted proofs. So all of them should consider, and reflect upon the knowledge that has been mentioned. Perhaps they will find for themselves a cure for their ignorance and self-delusion, so that they may then become a unified rank along with their Muslim brothers - for indeed the Hand of Allaah is over the Jamaa'ah. Wa' Jazâkum Allâhu Khairan Wa Billâhi-t-Tawfîq Akhûkum Fillâh, Abû Anas Tameem Ibn Jørn Helmer Jørgensen, Ad-Danimârkî [Bakkah] DALnet / Undernet Imâm Mâlik (Rahimahullâh) Said, "The Sunnah Is Like The Ark Of Noah. Whoever Embarks Upon It Reaches Salvation And Whoever Refuses Is Drowned -Original Message- From: "rifdhi"@gemunu.lankabell.com [mailto:"rifdhi"@gemunu.lankabell.com] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:00 AM To: islamcity@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [IslamCity] RE: WHEN DO WE START FASTING Time difference between Saudi Arabia and Sri Lanka is only 3 hours and not a whole night as stated in the original message. What are we to do under the circumstance. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [IslamCity] RE: WHEN DO WE START FASTING > As per this Fatwa does it mean that we in Sri Lanka must not fast as per > Saudi sighting, since we're in the east of Saudi Arabia? > > Ash Shaykh al 'Allaamah Saaleh al-Luhaydaan says > "Thus the countries of the Far East are not bound to fast according to our > (Saudi) sighting. Rather, those bound to follow our sighting are the ones > who are west of this country." > > Also I hope this is a general fatwa. The major scholars like Shaykh > Albaanee, Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen, Shaykh Bin Baaz has difference of opinion in > this regard about the unification of moon sighting. > > For our case we need to write the actual situation here in Sri Lanka to the > Kibarul Ulama to solve the problem, since it's a complicated fiqh issue. > Since we do not have the proper knowledge to argue about this subject. > Otherwise we would end up start celebrating Eid for two or three Days within > a family. Also it's not practical to celebrate Eid at home while others are > keep on fasting. > > Also Sheik Muhammad Naasirud-Deen Al-Albaanee clearly explains about this > subject in "Unity When Fasting and on the Day of the 'Eed " with the > supporting hadith that, > > "Fasting begins on the day you all begin to fast, and Al-Fitr (the 'Eed) is > the day when you all have broken your fasts." [Saheeh Sunan At-Tirmithee > #697] > > www.bakkah.net > > > Addition to this Sheik Al-Albaani in "Thamaamul Minnah" page 398 after > explaining the international sighting, in conclusion says something like > this, > > "And to gather the Islaamic countries on that (the issue of starting and > e
Re: [IslamCity] RE: WHEN DO WE START FASTING
Time difference between Saudi Arabia and Sri Lanka is only 3 hours and not a whole night as stated in the original message. What are we to do under the circumstance. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [IslamCity] RE: WHEN DO WE START FASTING > As per this Fatwa does it mean that we in Sri Lanka must not fast as per > Saudi sighting, since we're in the east of Saudi Arabia? > > Ash Shaykh al 'Allaamah Saaleh al-Luhaydaan says > "Thus the countries of the Far East are not bound to fast according to our > (Saudi) sighting. Rather, those bound to follow our sighting are the ones > who are west of this country." > > Also I hope this is a general fatwa. The major scholars like Shaykh > Albaanee, Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen, Shaykh Bin Baaz has difference of opinion in > this regard about the unification of moon sighting. > > For our case we need to write the actual situation here in Sri Lanka to the > Kibarul Ulama to solve the problem, since it's a complicated fiqh issue. > Since we do not have the proper knowledge to argue about this subject. > Otherwise we would end up start celebrating Eid for two or three Days within > a family. Also it's not practical to celebrate Eid at home while others are > keep on fasting. > > Also Sheik Muhammad Naasirud-Deen Al-Albaanee clearly explains about this > subject in "Unity When Fasting and on the Day of the 'Eed " with the > supporting hadith that, > > "Fasting begins on the day you all begin to fast, and Al-Fitr (the 'Eed) is > the day when you all have broken your fasts." [Saheeh Sunan At-Tirmithee > #697] > > www.bakkah.net > > > Addition to this Sheik Al-Albaani in "Thamaamul Minnah" page 398 after > explaining the international sighting, in conclusion says something like > this, > > "And to gather the Islaamic countries on that (the issue of starting and > ending the fast); So as I (certainly) see it, the people of every country > should fast with their country (i.e., altogether), and not be divided on its > own so that some would fast with it (i.e., the rest of the country), and > some other than with it (i.e., the people, collectively), by advancing their > fast or delaying it, for in that > are major disagreements in one (group) or people, like what happened in some > of the Arab countries, since a few years (ago). And it is Allaah's help > alone that can be sought." > > Therefore I hope as per above advice we must go with the majority, whether > it's local or International sighting. > > May Allah Guide us to the truth and Unit our Brothers! > > > > > > -- > > From: Irshad Muhammed[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:15 AM > > Subject: WHEN DO WE START FASTING > > Importance: High > > > > > > WHEN DO WE START FASTING (Opinion #1)? > > > > > > Ash Shaykh al 'Allaamah Saaleh al-Luhaydaan > > President of the Higher Judiciary Council of Saudi Arabia and Member of > > the Council of Senior Scholars of Saudi Arabia > > > > Recorded on Date : 21st of Sha'baan, 1426 :: 25th September 2005 > > > > http://www.madeenah.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Item > > id=2 > > > > Question: It is well known to your eminence the presence of Muslim > > minorities in some disbelieving countries and the disputing that occurs > > between some of them as it relates to the beginning of the fast of > > Ramadaan. So what is the best way to make them unified and eliminate any > > splitting and differing amongst them? May Allaah reward you with good. > > > > Answer: My advice to those minorities in the other countries is that they > > call the Kingdom [of Saudi Arabia]. And they do [in fact] call: they call > > the Higher Judiciary Council in the Kingdom from France, Britain and > > America. They ask about the sighting of the crescent and are informed > > about it. So they should strive to do that. > > > > Also, from the things that are well established and undoubtedly known is > > that if the crescent is sighted in an eastern country, the possibility of > > sighting it in a land west of that country is even more likely... Hence, > > if it is seen in the Kingdom, the likelihood of seeing it in America is > > greater. However, they may not spot it, or they may not be skilled at > > sighting it, or they may be busy with other things. So they should call > > the Kingdom. If it is announced that the fast has started in the Kingdom > > and it's broadcasted through the media - visual and audio - then whoever > > hears it should follow it. > > > > The problem is when it's sighted in the Kingdom and it hasn't been sighted > > in the Far East, since [the difference in time zone] between us and the > > Far East is almost a whole night. So if we [in KSA] have sighted it at the > > time of sunset, it will be the end of the night or the time of Fajr in the > > Far East. Thus the countries of the Far East are not bound to fast > > according to our sighting. Rather, those bound to follow our sighting
