Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
Basically the PVR350 is just that: a PVR, intended to be used in hardware recorders and things like that (and I know it is in fact used in some HW recorders). It's not for mpeg4 playback, etc. Although you can use a software decoder and XV to do the playback. The XV stuff is pretty efficient as it uses DMA to get the picture to the card, but using the framebuffer directly is really inefficient as it uses PIO to get the data to the card, which is a notoriously slow method. The same is true for DVD playback: it isn't designed for that (unfortunately). Again, you can use XV for that so you can at least utilitize the excellent TV-out quality of the PVR350. I actually just gave dvd playback another chance with the latest version of X, ivtv, and the xdriver, and was pleasantly surprised! xine -V xv -f dvd:// works marvelously and doesn't seem to skip at all. I use the same command for playing other video formats and get equally good results. Much improved from the last time I tried it. The downside is that the latest xdriver/ivtv version has managed to slow the framebuffer drawing down even more. I can actually see it drawing widgets on the screen in layers it's so slow with each screen of options it loads. i don't suppose there's any way to fix that, though. - Jeff ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
Not sure if that's a recent 'break', but the pvr350 *can* ff/rw (like a vcr), but good support for that hasn't been written into mythtv yet. Mine does a 3x ff, and that's about it, but it IS still ff'ding And for the record, i think that the pvr cards are really only useful when you have an old box lying around and you want to make it a pvr. If you have even a moderately fast box, why not buy a $30 capture card and let it decode/encode in software? The 350 is a special case IMHO because of the excellent video output quality, but you're still locked in to mpeg-2. -tmk --- Jeff Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only if you want a limited-use frontend. You can only play mpeg2 on it, which means no automatic transcoding, no dvds, etc. It is a good way to breathe life into older hardware, but I can't recommend this card to anyone with a fast machine. That's what I use it for: an advanced VCR. VCRs can fast forward and rewind. The PVR-350 can't, it's not supported. - Jeff ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007, kevin thayer wrote: And for the record, i think that the pvr cards are really only useful when you have an old box lying around and you want to make it a pvr. If you have even a moderately fast box, why not buy a $30 capture card and let it decode/encode in software? Because you want to use 4-5 tuners at once to record in parallel? :) My bigger concern on the pvr/ivtv issue is that HDTV is here to stay (in the US) and coming (elsewhere). Semi on-topic, I wonder what the plans are in europe and asia-pac for the sdtv-hdtv transition. If it's pretty well staggered, then the pvr cards and ivtv will continue to have a long life. I happen to still have analog cable (one of the last few holdouts) and one reason is so that I can continue to add tuners as my, and my SO's watching interests evolve over time. Avoiding conflicts is key... ...the other reason is that the local cable company is actually my neighbor (we're on the same block two doors apart) and they gave the adjacent businesses and 2nd floor apartments free cable in perpetuity! This was in exchange for having completely ripped out our parking lot for a couple of months about eight years ago in order to lay all their shiny new digital cable. I fear moving to digital will mean they'll forget all about that arrangement... :) -brendan ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 03:02:12PM -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: However, the PVR350 allows you to use rather moderate hardware for a front- and backend (i.e.: my old P3 850 as combined front+backend and a PII 300 as a second frontend). Only if you want a limited-use frontend. You can only play mpeg2 on it, which means no automatic transcoding, no dvds, etc. It is a good way to breathe life into older hardware, but I can't recommend this card to anyone with a fast machine. That's what I use it for: an advanced VCR. #3, Framebuffer is slow slow slow slow, and it EATS cpu. I have a 3ghz machine, but the menus are still slow. I often find the X session using 50 or 60% of my cpu, just SITTING there. Never seen that. An idle machine is just idle over here. Occasionally Xorg tends to eat 100% CPU time, but that seems to be unrelated to Myth cause the same happens occasionally on my desktop. I see it often if I leave it in the list of recordings where it shows a small preview, that alone will eat up 30-40% of cpu. actually using it to display something eats more. The hacks to let you play a DVD or other format of video through XV on the PVR output are just that - hacks. They eat a LOT of CPU that a normal accelerated card would not have to. Ah, that must be it. I switched life preview off immediately after install cause I didn't like it. I haven't even noticed it was eating CPU. Forget trying to run it at the same time as another X session, it jumps to a full 100%. Playing anything that isn't a native mpeg2 video makes the system crawl. If you only use PVR x50 cards to record the problem doesn't exist. only if you don't auto-transcode to mpeg4, watch dvds, or use the myth box for anything that isn't just plain old TV. Myth isn't just for SDTV, it's supposed to be the everything box. Only SDTV over here in .nl. The local cable monopolist (UPC) offers digital TV but that's only SDTV resolution and only possible to receive with their own setup box (i.e.: not DVB-C compatible). I also can't use mythgame on the PVR-350 at all, since it can't scale or accelerate. Games like stepmania that would be great on a myth box can't be played on a graphics card without openGL and acceleration. I'm not a gamer and neither is my wife :) #3 XDriver is a great project, but it's always been buggy at best, and difficult to compile (with each version of X, the driver has needed another patch or hack just to compile). I think now that it's in some repositories (gentoo), it's better? (I've still had to patch it, but maybe by now it's better). FWIW, it never crashed on me. Mine doesn't crash either. But it is buggy. Switching VTs results in garbage on one of the main screens on my other card when I use the framebuffer, if I kill X and restart it, the screen is garbled until I play an mpeg video, at which point it fixes it, small little bugs. And a LOT of hacking around just to make it work in the first place. It's not plug-and-play like a typical video card is. Never seen that, but I have a dedicated mythtv box (or rather: I have two). So in summary, the PVR-350 *does* work, it just isn't as fully supported as say, any nvidia or ati tv out card made in the last 5 years for 1/4 of the cost. The video encoding is well supported, just like the 150/250/500, it's just the output that's flaky. In my own personal opinion, having owned a PVR-350, I would say that I'd be better off owning a 150 and an nvidia geforce card with TV Out. I diagree. A PVR 150 is about 85 EUR, for 140 EUR you have a 350. That difference does buy you a ati or nvidia card with tv out (cheapest is around 40 EUR), but doesn't buy you a CPU fast enough to do the decoding, especially when you have some old hardware lying around. If you only want the bare minimum of what myth has to offer, than the PVR-350 will do it. But if you want advanced PVR features like fast-forward and rewind, you need a supported card. It's sad but it's true. That's indeed all I want :) I really like the idea of the PVR-350, the idea that the hardware can do all the tedious decoding and save the processor for the real work. The problem is not many people use the card, and as such, support for it is lacking. It's the same reason I wouldn't want to use an alpha or sparc machine. The architecture is great, but software support is terrible. If all you want is a PVR, the PVR-350 is a great card. Erik -- They're all fools. Don't worry. Darwin may be slow, but he'll eventually get them. -- Matthew Lammers in alt.sysadmin.recovery signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
Only if you want a limited-use frontend. You can only play mpeg2 on it, which means no automatic transcoding, no dvds, etc. It is a good way to breathe life into older hardware, but I can't recommend this card to anyone with a fast machine. That's what I use it for: an advanced VCR. VCRs can fast forward and rewind. The PVR-350 can't, it's not supported. - Jeff ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
VCRs can fast forward and rewind. The PVR-350 can't, it's not supported. Are you talking about the speed adjust? It can certainly skip forward and backward in time. The only thing I'm aware that it can't do is the speed up/slow down -- I have another frontend that can use that feature (nvidia video card) but... vcr's don't do that. I suppose a vcr plays fast and plays in reverse in ff and rw respectively but it doesn't speed the sound up like the myth feature does. On a vcr you fast forward to skip something or get somewhere else, not to watch something fast. I digress - for skipping forward by seconds, minutes, etc, the pvr350 decoder out works just fine for me. My wife would kill me if it couldn't skip commercials. My mythbox is, I suppose, a bit more than a advanced vcr - but I have never had any desire to auto-transcode anything, play games, or anything else that the pvr350's out can't do. It does what a tivo does but skips commercials and that's exactly what I need. Certainly, if you want a machine to play dvd's, games, or video files encoded with random codecs, you're going to need more general-purpose hardware -- bigger cpu and accelerated video out (and a dvd drive - I don't even have one of those in any of my myth systems!). That's not, nor has it ever been, the pvr350's niche. I'd just say that I think mythtv + pvr350 decoder out is a great thing - it works amazingly well on my P3-650 front/back-end and if it disappeared it would be a great shame -- I, and I assume many others, would be stuck on old versions of software or forced to upgrade hardware. If it's ever seriously threatened that it'll be removed due to lack of interest or code rot, I'll volunteer now to step up and help maintain it. Mike ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:35:54AM -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: Only if you want a limited-use frontend. You can only play mpeg2 on it, which means no automatic transcoding, no dvds, etc. It is a good way to breathe life into older hardware, but I can't recommend this card to anyone with a fast machine. That's what I use it for: an advanced VCR. VCRs can fast forward and rewind. The PVR-350 can't, it's not supported. On VCRs you usually use fast forward or rewind to skip to an interesting part of the recording. Because of the sequential access of the tape, you can only do that by going through all intermediate frames. Even a 10 second skip would take several seconds because the tape deck would have to switch to fast forward mode, roll 10 seconds of tape, swith back to play mode, let the PLL lock again on the video frame and finally display the frame. That took quite some time so manufacturers added the possibility to do fast forward with view at the same time, but to be honest, that's only a hack because you really want an immediate 10 second skip. Because it is backed by a randomly accesible medium like the hard drive, the PVR-350 can do such immediate 10 second skips without showing any of the intermediate frames. In my opinion that is an advantage over the traditional tape based VCR. Erik -- They're all fools. Don't worry. Darwin may be slow, but he'll eventually get them. -- Matthew Lammers in alt.sysadmin.recovery signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:07:28AM -0500, Ricardo Lugo wrote: On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Jeff Simpson wrote: #3, Framebuffer is slow slow slow slow, and it EATS cpu. I have a 3ghz machine, but the menus are still slow. I often find the X session using 50 or 60% of my cpu, just SITTING there. Forget trying to run it at the same time as another X session, it jumps to a full 100%. Playing anything that isn't a native mpeg2 video makes the system crawl. Yup, writing directly to the framebuffer is slow. And yes, it is the main source of problems with the OSD in Myth. What OSD problems? Curious, cause I haven't had any so far. That's why the 350 framebuffer support should be taken out of Myth, not the entire support for the PVR-350. If that means that you can't use a PVR-350 to display both menu and video, I don't agree. It's one of the major advantages of the 350: one card does all. Erik -- They're all fools. Don't worry. Darwin may be slow, but he'll eventually get them. -- Matthew Lammers in alt.sysadmin.recovery signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
#1, MPEG Output on the PVR-350 is working, but mostly unsupported by advanced features. Things like fast forward and rewind don't work, frequency scaling doesn't work, things like that. It does technically still play video, but only native MPEG2 (no mpeg4, no alternate formats, etc). The only way to play anything that isn't a native recording is to use the framebuffer or xdriver, whose faults are described later. However, the PVR350 allows you to use rather moderate hardware for a front- and backend (i.e.: my old P3 850 as combined front+backend and a PII 300 as a second frontend). Only if you want a limited-use frontend. You can only play mpeg2 on it, which means no automatic transcoding, no dvds, etc. It is a good way to breathe life into older hardware, but I can't recommend this card to anyone with a fast machine. #2, Myth is moving to OpenGL for menus. It now supports OpenGL and qt and you can switch between them. I can't imagine they will continue to provide both options for much longer. The PVR-350 doesn't support OpenGL and never will. I don't know the reason for switching to OpenGL, the Qt engine still works fine. One way to support OpenGL on the 350 would be to use Mesa, but that would be another layer of indirection that will slow down the system. exactly. I did try that, but mesa made the framebuffer output on the 350 even slower than it already is. It was unbearable and took all my CPU. #3, Framebuffer is slow slow slow slow, and it EATS cpu. I have a 3ghz machine, but the menus are still slow. I often find the X session using 50 or 60% of my cpu, just SITTING there. Never seen that. An idle machine is just idle over here. Occasionally Xorg tends to eat 100% CPU time, but that seems to be unrelated to Myth cause the same happens occasionally on my desktop. I see it often if I leave it in the list of recordings where it shows a small preview, that alone will eat up 30-40% of cpu. actually using it to display something eats more. The hacks to let you play a DVD or other format of video through XV on the PVR output are just that - hacks. They eat a LOT of CPU that a normal accelerated card would not have to. Forget trying to run it at the same time as another X session, it jumps to a full 100%. Playing anything that isn't a native mpeg2 video makes the system crawl. If you only use PVR x50 cards to record the problem doesn't exist. only if you don't auto-transcode to mpeg4, watch dvds, or use the myth box for anything that isn't just plain old TV. Myth isn't just for SDTV, it's supposed to be the everything box. I also can't use mythgame on the PVR-350 at all, since it can't scale or accelerate. Games like stepmania that would be great on a myth box can't be played on a graphics card without openGL and acceleration. #3 XDriver is a great project, but it's always been buggy at best, and difficult to compile (with each version of X, the driver has needed another patch or hack just to compile). I think now that it's in some repositories (gentoo), it's better? (I've still had to patch it, but maybe by now it's better). FWIW, it never crashed on me. Mine doesn't crash either. But it is buggy. Switching VTs results in garbage on one of the main screens on my other card when I use the framebuffer, if I kill X and restart it, the screen is garbled until I play an mpeg video, at which point it fixes it, small little bugs. And a LOT of hacking around just to make it work in the first place. It's not plug-and-play like a typical video card is. So in summary, the PVR-350 *does* work, it just isn't as fully supported as say, any nvidia or ati tv out card made in the last 5 years for 1/4 of the cost. The video encoding is well supported, just like the 150/250/500, it's just the output that's flaky. In my own personal opinion, having owned a PVR-350, I would say that I'd be better off owning a 150 and an nvidia geforce card with TV Out. I diagree. A PVR 150 is about 85 EUR, for 140 EUR you have a 350. That difference does buy you a ati or nvidia card with tv out (cheapest is around 40 EUR), but doesn't buy you a CPU fast enough to do the decoding, especially when you have some old hardware lying around. If you only want the bare minimum of what myth has to offer, than the PVR-350 will do it. But if you want advanced PVR features like fast-forward and rewind, you need a supported card. It's sad but it's true. I really like the idea of the PVR-350, the idea that the hardware can do all the tedious decoding and save the processor for the real work. The problem is not many people use the card, and as such, support for it is lacking. It's the same reason I wouldn't want to use an alpha or sparc machine. The architecture is great, but software support is terrible. ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
Zitat von Jeff Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I see it often if I leave it in the list of recordings where it shows a small preview, that alone will eat up 30-40% of cpu. actually using it to display something eats more. The hacks to let you play a DVD or other format of video through XV on the PVR output are just that - hacks. They eat a LOT of CPU that a normal accelerated card would not have to. All I can say about this is: It works. I use to view all kind of divx/xvid whatever non mpeg stuff through my PVR 350's TV out with the xdriver and xine (through Mythtv). And it is smooth. First I had an Athlon 500 now a Geode NX 1750 Greetings, Wilhelm This mail was sent through http://webmail.uni-jena.de ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
On 2/1/07, Hans Verkuil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Recently I've seen several comments that PVR350 support would not work or would be removed from MythTV. While it is true that there is no current maintainer for the PVR350 code in MythTV (AFAIK), that doesn't mean that it doesn't work. The ivtv API is still unchanged and as long as the code remains in MythTV it should work just fine. As I was probably a person who made some of those comments, I feel I should back them up: #1, MPEG Output on the PVR-350 is working, but mostly unsupported by advanced features. Things like fast forward and rewind don't work, frequency scaling doesn't work, things like that. It does technically still play video, but only native MPEG2 (no mpeg4, no alternate formats, etc). The only way to play anything that isn't a native recording is to use the framebuffer or xdriver, whose faults are described later. #2, Myth is moving to OpenGL for menus. It now supports OpenGL and qt and you can switch between them. I can't imagine they will continue to provide both options for much longer. The PVR-350 doesn't support OpenGL and never will. #3, Framebuffer is slow slow slow slow, and it EATS cpu. I have a 3ghz machine, but the menus are still slow. I often find the X session using 50 or 60% of my cpu, just SITTING there. Forget trying to run it at the same time as another X session, it jumps to a full 100%. Playing anything that isn't a native mpeg2 video makes the system crawl. #3 XDriver is a great project, but it's always been buggy at best, and difficult to compile (with each version of X, the driver has needed another patch or hack just to compile). I think now that it's in some repositories (gentoo), it's better? (I've still had to patch it, but maybe by now it's better). So in summary, the PVR-350 *does* work, it just isn't as fully supported as say, any nvidia or ati tv out card made in the last 5 years for 1/4 of the cost. The video encoding is well supported, just like the 150/250/500, it's just the output that's flaky. In my own personal opinion, having owned a PVR-350, I would say that I'd be better off owning a 150 and an nvidia geforce card with TV Out. ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:04:56AM -0500, Jeff Simpson wrote: On 2/1/07, Hans Verkuil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Recently I've seen several comments that PVR350 support would not work or would be removed from MythTV. While it is true that there is no current maintainer for the PVR350 code in MythTV (AFAIK), that doesn't mean that it doesn't work. The ivtv API is still unchanged and as long as the code remains in MythTV it should work just fine. As I was probably a person who made some of those comments, I feel I should back them up: #1, MPEG Output on the PVR-350 is working, but mostly unsupported by advanced features. Things like fast forward and rewind don't work, frequency scaling doesn't work, things like that. It does technically still play video, but only native MPEG2 (no mpeg4, no alternate formats, etc). The only way to play anything that isn't a native recording is to use the framebuffer or xdriver, whose faults are described later. However, the PVR350 allows you to use rather moderate hardware for a front- and backend (i.e.: my old P3 850 as combined front+backend and a PII 300 as a second frontend). #2, Myth is moving to OpenGL for menus. It now supports OpenGL and qt and you can switch between them. I can't imagine they will continue to provide both options for much longer. The PVR-350 doesn't support OpenGL and never will. I don't know the reason for switching to OpenGL, the Qt engine still works fine. One way to support OpenGL on the 350 would be to use Mesa, but that would be another layer of indirection that will slow down the system. #3, Framebuffer is slow slow slow slow, and it EATS cpu. I have a 3ghz machine, but the menus are still slow. I often find the X session using 50 or 60% of my cpu, just SITTING there. Never seen that. An idle machine is just idle over here. Occasionally Xorg tends to eat 100% CPU time, but that seems to be unrelated to Myth cause the same happens occasionally on my desktop. Forget trying to run it at the same time as another X session, it jumps to a full 100%. Playing anything that isn't a native mpeg2 video makes the system crawl. If you only use PVR x50 cards to record the problem doesn't exist. #3 XDriver is a great project, but it's always been buggy at best, and difficult to compile (with each version of X, the driver has needed another patch or hack just to compile). I think now that it's in some repositories (gentoo), it's better? (I've still had to patch it, but maybe by now it's better). FWIW, it never crashed on me. So in summary, the PVR-350 *does* work, it just isn't as fully supported as say, any nvidia or ati tv out card made in the last 5 years for 1/4 of the cost. The video encoding is well supported, just like the 150/250/500, it's just the output that's flaky. In my own personal opinion, having owned a PVR-350, I would say that I'd be better off owning a 150 and an nvidia geforce card with TV Out. I diagree. A PVR 150 is about 85 EUR, for 140 EUR you have a 350. That difference does buy you a ati or nvidia card with tv out (cheapest is around 40 EUR), but doesn't buy you a CPU fast enough to do the decoding, especially when you have some old hardware lying around. Erik -- They're all fools. Don't worry. Darwin may be slow, but he'll eventually get them. -- Matthew Lammers in alt.sysadmin.recovery signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
On Friday 02 February 2007 01:56, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Boleslaw Ciesielski writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: The problem I have is with the ivtv_fb.ko module. It loads without any errors, but TV-Out remains a blue screen in 0.9; unlike in 0.8 where upon loading ivtv_fb.ko, which happens long before starting X and loading ivtv_xdriver, the TV-Out signal drops from blue to green to black. That does not happen with 0.9's ivtv_fb.ko, it remains at its initial power-up state of solid blue. I can see from Xorg's logs that it starts up and apparently continues to run fine, thinking that there's nothing wrong with the framebuffer, except that nothing actually appears on TV-Out. Forgive me if it's already been covered, but are you sure that you don't have the missing saa7127 problem? That's the next thing I'm going to look into. I wasn't aware of this issue until yesterday, when I trawled Google again. There's nothing in /var/log/messages that complains about any missing module. If something yelled loud and hard, at me, about some missing module, I would've picked it up right away. grepping for saa7127 in /var/log/messages comes up empty, but I'm going to try building it. I was wondering myself why the yell was missing: turns out to be a driver bug. It will yell if the saa7127 driver was compiled as a kernel module and the kernel module was missing, but it would say nothing if it wasn't in the kernel at all! This is now fixed and will be in the next ivtv release. Thanks, Hans ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
Re: [ivtv-devel] [ivtv-users] PVR-350 and MythTV support
Boleslaw Ciesielski writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: The problem I have is with the ivtv_fb.ko module. It loads without any errors, but TV-Out remains a blue screen in 0.9; unlike in 0.8 where upon loading ivtv_fb.ko, which happens long before starting X and loading ivtv_xdriver, the TV-Out signal drops from blue to green to black. That does not happen with 0.9's ivtv_fb.ko, it remains at its initial power-up state of solid blue. I can see from Xorg's logs that it starts up and apparently continues to run fine, thinking that there's nothing wrong with the framebuffer, except that nothing actually appears on TV-Out. Forgive me if it's already been covered, but are you sure that you don't have the missing saa7127 problem? That's the next thing I'm going to look into. I wasn't aware of this issue until yesterday, when I trawled Google again. There's nothing in /var/log/messages that complains about any missing module. If something yelled loud and hard, at me, about some missing module, I would've picked it up right away. grepping for saa7127 in /var/log/messages comes up empty, but I'm going to try building it. pgpCztrTyG0vj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ ivtv-devel mailing list ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-devel
