Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I'm reporting in to say I'm here too and read you loud and clear good buddy. 
sorry couldn’t resist. Here's hoping it lasts (smile).

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Scorpio

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message,
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white
list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[ratshtron]

hmmm, no problem here with my gmail.com account. receiving list mail just fine.


Legend has it that on Thursday 7/20/2017 05:54 PM, David Ferrin said:

We have been hit in the past by email providers 
bouncing messages from this domain, but today 
ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 
members today just under 25% of our total 
subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good 
measure. We have never had a problem with GMail 
before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. If anybody has contact with one of the 
people who have been removed ask them to contact 
GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed 
on their white list or whatever they happen to 
call it. A few more days like this and there 
won’t be much of a point in going on. I 
remember as a little boy my dad saying you 
can’t fight city hall. In this case you 
can’t fight being black listed. David Ferrin 
Life is what happens after you have already made 
other plans. For answers to frequently asked 
questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Miriam Vieni]

I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with people 
who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and there were 
several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as spam. The 
problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.

Miriam 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[David Ferrin]

Over the years we started out on Yahoo, then moved to Google groups. Then 
went to Mailman and once or twice I don't even remember any more moved it 
again to other Mailman servers. The last time almost 9 years ago.


Those last take some serious time to configure before making the change. 
We'll stick it out on the current server for the present time as I have a 
good deal going.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David:

For what it's worth, I have a g-mail address, and I continue to be good on 
the list, at least as far as I can tell.


However, I was a member of another e-mail list that had this exact problem, 
and the list ended up moving to the groups.io server.


Let's hope things settle down again.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

[Adrian Spratt]

Was that task to click on a button that wouldn't work in the normal ways? 
That's when I most often use this keystroke.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

what are you doing when you route jaws to pc and how is it different from 
regularly using jaws on your computer?
I got the step from a VFO tech when I asked how to perform a particular task.

-Original Message-
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

Hi Kevin,

Jaws key + NumPad Minus key.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:41 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc


how do I route jaws to pc
I know how to switch from the virtual pc cursor to the jaws cursor is it the
same?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Christine Murphy]

I was bounced from the list last night but I reinstated myself today without a 
problem.  I use Gmail.  

Chris Murphy



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

[Mike B.]

Hi Kevin,

The easy explanation, the Jaws cursor expands the page, & reads crap the PC 
cursor can't get to.  Technical explanation below:

About JAWS Cursors

Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.

These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly

linked with Windows cursors.



The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes



This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and applications.

This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through

options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons.

As you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you

press.

If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor

highlights the currently selected object.

The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a

different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

*Tip, If you are using the Jaws touch cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS twice

quickly returns you to the PC Cursor.



The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer



The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other

applications.

It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar

information.

The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is moved, and you

therefore have access to information in an application window that is beyond

the scope of the PC Cursor.

To activate the JAWS Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc


what are you doing when you route jaws to pc and how is it different from
regularly using jaws on your computer?
I got the step from a VFO tech when I asked how to perform a particular
task.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

Hi Kevin,

Jaws key + NumPad Minus key.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:41 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc


how do I route jaws to pc
I know how to switch from the virtual pc cursor to the jaws cursor is it the
same?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

[Kevin]

what are you doing when you route jaws to pc and how is it different from 
regularly using jaws on your computer?
I got the step from a VFO tech when I asked how to perform a particular 
task.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

Hi Kevin,

Jaws key + NumPad Minus key.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:41 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc


how do I route jaws to pc
I know how to switch from the virtual pc cursor to the jaws cursor is it the
same?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[net bat66]

if you log on directly to your gmail (web mail) when the messages go into the 
spam folder and click on not spam then maybe it won't bounce any more because 
when you do this the list will be put in the gmail whight list.

***
one reason gmail is marked as spam is when you put a email address in the cc or 
bcc field. with me it will go into the spam folder every time.


-Original Message- 
From: Maria Campbell

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list
from bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I
hope someone else does.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:
We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[jyandt.martin]

David: I was bounced via WLM, last week. Resubscribed and so far, no 
problems. Take heart, good fellow. Better days are on the rise. Jerry (and 
please forgive the feeble attempts to poetry ... I never studied ShakeSpeare 
lol).


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Not all GMail subscribers but a large chunk of them.

There are 4 reasons I am aware of for an email account to start bouncing.

1 a simple transmission error which some times happens.
2 An ISP blocks out a domain because it generates so much email traffic it
lands on somebody's' Spam list: for example

http://www.jaws-users.com

3 A person closes out their email address for any number of reasons and
forgets to un-subscribe from mailing lists.
4 A person gets a large amount of emails in their inbox for example and then
doesn't check for a period of time. So long in fact their mail box gets
filled up and can't accept any more messages.

In the past year Microsoft based email addresses were effected and we have
never totally recovered from that particular loss.

So we're down under 550 now where yesterday we were over 700 if you can
believe it.

This is my continued effort to keep you out there informed as to what is
going on behind the seen. Believe me it is not all that exciting most of the
time.

-Original Message- 
From: Scorpio

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message,
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white
list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Ted Sparks]

I got bounced last week and replied to the message and was reinstated.
You're coming through loud and clear. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Labeling buttons

[Fernando Gregoire]

JAWS call to this action Create Prompt. Ocasionally they also use the name 
custom labels, which is the one used consistently in Spanish.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Terry Chaney
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Jaws list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Labeling buttons

I'm trying to remember what Jaws calls it when you provide a label for a button 
or other control that hasn't been named properly and thus doesn't speak.  I 
think I saw it once but can't think of the word to locate it in the help 
system. Could someone please remind me?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

[Fernando Gregoire]

Instead of doing a restart it seems best to disable Quick Startup in the Power 
Options (in traditional Control Panel, not the new Power and Battery section on 
the Settings app), so Windows turns off your PC with a complete shutdown, in 
the way of Windows 7 and earlier, instead of what is actually an hibernation.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Murray
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi michael.

At the end of the day I end by doing a restart, and then a shut down.
In the Morning when I re boot the computer it works fine most of the time. This 
process takes a bit of time, but it seems to be worth the effert Doug 
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michaeel's mail
Sent: July 19, 2017 8:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi Doug i actually find if i only need to do a restart jaws sees the sign in 
box every time.
But from a fresh boot up i have trouble.
Cheers michael.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Murray
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hello

I find that if you do a shut down and restart, and then do a shut dow, Jaws and 
windows10 will start OK.
Give it a try.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: July 19, 2017 11:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Yes, this is an issue from time to time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michael fridey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:55 PM
To: jaws help list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi guys i find jaws some times  at start up jaws will not see the log in screen.

I start naratter when jaws will not see the edit box.

Is anybody else finding that.

cheers Michael.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Tom Behler]

David:

For what it's worth, I have a g-mail address, and I continue to be good on the 
list, at least as far as I can tell.

However, I was a member of another e-mail list that had this exact problem, and 
the list ended up moving to the groups.io server.

Let's hope things settle down again.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Holger Fiallo]

Testing.
-Original Message- 
From: Michael Amaro

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

you came threw loud and cleaar here

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From: "Scorpio" 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:07 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your
message, which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from
this domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162
members today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them
were using GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask
them to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their
white list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In
this case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[David Ferrin]

Not all GMail subscribers but a large chunk of them.

There are 4 reasons I am aware of for an email account to start bouncing.

1 a simple transmission error which some times happens.
2 An ISP blocks out a domain because it generates so much email traffic it 
lands on somebody's' Spam list: for example


http://www.jaws-users.com

3 A person closes out their email address for any number of reasons and 
forgets to un-subscribe from mailing lists.
4 A person gets a large amount of emails in their inbox for example and then 
doesn't check for a period of time. So long in fact their mail box gets 
filled up and can't accept any more messages.


In the past year Microsoft based email addresses were effected and we have 
never totally recovered from that particular loss.


So we're down under 550 now where yesterday we were over 700 if you can 
believe it.


This is my continued effort to keep you out there informed as to what is 
going on behind the seen. Believe me it is not all that exciting most of the 
time.


-Original Message- 
From: Scorpio

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message,
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white
list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Melissa Hambleton]

I think it was last week or so I was bounced from the list. However, I don't 
use Gmail I use AOL though.

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Gary Ray
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Gary Ray here.

I got bounced last week, I think it was, and had to sign up again.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list from 
bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I hope someone 
else does.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:
> We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
> domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
> today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
> GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.
>
> We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
> this morning.
>
> If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
> to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
> list or whatever they happen to call it.
>
> A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.
>
> I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
> case you can’t fight being black listed.
> David Ferrin
> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Michael Amaro]

you came threw loud and cleaar here

--
From: "Scorpio" 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:07 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your 
message, which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.


Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from 
this domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 
members today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them 
were using GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask 
them to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their 
white list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In 
this case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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[JAWS-Users] memo to the list

[Judy]

David, please don't give up on us. This whole thing is just awful. We should
probably all contact our respective email providers to make sure it doesn't
happen to us if it hasn't already. Judy & Libby 

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Holger Fiallo]

Is not only gmail. I got message that mail was doing what you said. I am not 
using gmail.
-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Jason White]

Do you have SPF, DKIM and DMARC configured for the domain? They're all 
interrelated measures that together help to establish the authenticity of 
outbound messages. They're also used by the better e-mail providers and ISPs to 
distinguish legitimate senders from spammers.
I took the time to configure them for my domain, and I haven't since had 
legitimate mail rejected by mail providers as far as I know. On the other hand, 
I'm not responsible for any high-traffic mailing lists.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Gary Ray]

Gary Ray here.

I got bounced last week, I think it was, and had to sign up again.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list from 
bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I hope someone 
else does.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:
> We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
> domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
> today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
> GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.
>
> We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
> this morning.
>
> If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
> to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
> list or whatever they happen to call it.
>
> A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.
>
> I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
> case you can’t fight being black listed.
> David Ferrin
> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Maria Campbell]

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list 
from bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I 
hope someone else does.



lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Scorpio]

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message, 
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.


Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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[JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[David Ferrin]

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Labeling buttons

[Mike B.]

Hi Terry,

See if the thread below helps you:

   Original Message
  From: joanne
  I have both Jaws 16 and 17, and I have heard people talk about labeling 
unlabeled links or buttons.  How is this done?
  Thanks.
  Joanne

From: Mauricio Molina
Hello,

When on the Internet, once you locate a button without a label, press JAWS / 
Insert Key, Control, + Tab.  You will then be asked to type in a label.
I hope this is what you were needing.
Mauricio

From: Carlos
Place focus on the link or button to which you want to assign a label, press 
Insert+F2, and select
"Custom Label" from the list.
This has been in JAWS going back at least several versions.  These are 
different features for doing similar things.  The "Prompt Creator" and 
"Graphics Labeler" are used for labeling controls and graphics in 
applications.  The "Custom Label" option is used for labeling HTML elements 
like buttons and links on webpages.
Carlos
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Terry Chaney
To: Jaws list
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Labeling buttons


I'm trying to remember what Jaws calls it when you provide a label for a
button or other control that hasn't been named properly and thus doesn't
speak.  I think I saw it once but can't think of the word to locate it
in the help system. Could someone please remind me?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Labeling buttons

[GA.Martinez]

I think what you are looking for is:
JAWS key + CTRL + TAB
Type in your desired label then a comma and what type of box, combo box,
button, etc.
George

"It is a form of insanity to continue to do the same things daily while
believing for change in your life."
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Behalf Of Terry Chaney
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:44 AM
To: Jaws list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Labeling buttons

I'm trying to remember what Jaws calls it when you provide a label for a 
button or other control that hasn't been named properly and thus doesn't 
speak.  I think I saw it once but can't think of the word to locate it 
in the help system. Could someone please remind me?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,

Not sure if this would help or not, but here is what I sdo.  When booting up
my windows 190 vm as that is what I am using, I wait for jas to load at the
lock screen then press ctrol this brings up the pin edit box whare I type my
4 digit pin and then the system loads just fine after that.  What happens if
you just tap the control key?  You should get promped for either your
password or pin in either case you should just type in the edit box if
prompted.  If you have it set to use a pin, the last number in your pin will
dismiss the dialog and sign you in.  If you do not have a pin typing your
password should do it after you press enter.

HTH.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of michaeel's mail
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

It is happening on mainly couple of my machines they all running the latest
full version of win 10 creaters.
It is very anoying.
Cheers.

-Original Message-
From: Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Sometimes it happens me on Windows 10 Insider Preview builds. Usually I
resolve this by using Touch Cursor with Advanced Object Navigation Mode to
find the Logon screen window and, beneat it, the Password edit box. When I
find it, I press ENTER to route PC cursor as normal.

2017-07-19 0:54 GMT-03:00 michael fridey :

> Hi guys i find jaws some times  at start up jaws will not see the log 
> in screen.
>
> I start naratter when jaws will not see the edit box.
>
> Is anybody else finding that.
>
> cheers Michael.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

[Mike B.]

Hi Kevin,

Jaws key + NumPad Minus key.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:41 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc


how do I route jaws to pc
I know how to switch from the virtual pc cursor to the jaws cursor is it the 
same?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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[JAWS-Users] Labeling buttons

[Terry Chaney]

I'm trying to remember what Jaws calls it when you provide a label for a 
button or other control that hasn't been named properly and thus doesn't 
speak.  I think I saw it once but can't think of the word to locate it 
in the help system. Could someone please remind me?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, that is the question. I have heard it's a w-10 creators update issue, and 
I have also heard it's a Jaws issue. So take your choice. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michaeel's mail
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Okay Jim but is it a win 10 issue or a jaws problem.
chees Michael.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Yes, this is an issue from time to time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michael fridey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:55 PM
To: jaws help list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi guys i find jaws some times  at start up jaws will not see the log in screen.

I start naratter when jaws will not see the edit box.

Is anybody else finding that.

cheers Michael.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Face book with jaws 17

[wayne smith]

There may be more help out there with more experience than me so keep
trying.  I have the business page but I have reverted to the standard FB
using m.facebook.com for much easier access.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:00 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Face book with jaws 17

Okay ... trial and error it is. Thanks much.

-Original Message-
From: wayne smith
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Face book with jaws 17

I do a lot of things by trial and error (lots of the latter).  On my
business page I find a place where I can enter text and then I simply go to
my MS Word doc and copy the text and then go back and paste it into the
field where I want it.  There are also places where you can browse for a
file or image.  The business pages are much harder to use than the regular
FB page so I ask for sighted help as needed.  If a sighted person tells me
where they found a particular feature then that gives me a path for the
future.

Wayne

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Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

Wayne:

Can you tell me, perhaps, how to insert a word document into a FB page i.e.,
as in a business page? Thanks. Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wayne smith
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

I haven't either but those things are cute but not essential.  Let FB know

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

How about adding immogees like balloons and different facial expressions and
such?  Any easy way?  I haven't found it.


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--St. Francis

On 7/15/2017 2:25 PM, wayne smith wrote:
> I nearly always use m.facebook.com since the mobile version is much
simpler.
> I simply arrow through choices or use letter forms to move between
articles
> by pressing H or P.  You can also use the Jaws find Insert-f to look 
> for something particular.  If you wander around on the site you will 
> get to learn it.
>
> Wayne
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of LeDon
> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:40 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17
>
> I am also wanting to get help using Facebook with Jaws. Would anyone 
> familiar with Facebook with jaws who want to help please contact me also.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:29 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
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>
> Could the same courtesy be extended to me as well? Many Thanks. Jerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: t
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:58 PM
> To: jul
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] facebook with jaws 17
>
> I'm gonna try and use facebook like most people, but will need 
> guidance navigating the facebook page with jaws, so would anyone who 
> uses facebook
a
> lot, please contact me off list, and help me do facebook?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Face book with jaws 17

[jyandt.martin]

Okay ... trial and error it is. Thanks much.

-Original Message- 
From: wayne smith

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Face book with jaws 17

I do a lot of things by trial and error (lots of the latter).  On my
business page I find a place where I can enter text and then I simply go to
my MS Word doc and copy the text and then go back and paste it into the
field where I want it.  There are also places where you can browse for a
file or image.  The business pages are much harder to use than the regular
FB page so I ask for sighted help as needed.  If a sighted person tells me
where they found a particular feature then that gives me a path for the
future.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

Wayne:

Can you tell me, perhaps, how to insert a word document into a FB page i.e.,
as in a business page? Thanks. Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wayne smith
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

I haven't either but those things are cute but not essential.  Let FB know

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

How about adding immogees like balloons and different facial expressions and
such?  Any easy way?  I haven't found it.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/15/2017 2:25 PM, wayne smith wrote:

I nearly always use m.facebook.com since the mobile version is much

simpler.

I simply arrow through choices or use letter forms to move between

articles

by pressing H or P.  You can also use the Jaws find Insert-f to look
for something particular.  If you wander around on the site you will
get to learn it.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of LeDon
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

I am also wanting to get help using Facebook with Jaws. Would anyone
familiar with Facebook with jaws who want to help please contact me also.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] facebook with jaws 17

Could the same courtesy be extended to me as well? Many Thanks. Jerry

-Original Message-
From: t
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:58 PM
To: jul
Subject: [JAWS-Users] facebook with jaws 17

I'm gonna try and use facebook like most people, but will need
guidance navigating the facebook page with jaws, so would anyone who
uses facebook

a

lot, please contact me off list, and help me do facebook?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Face book with jaws 17

[wayne smith]

I do a lot of things by trial and error (lots of the latter).  On my
business page I find a place where I can enter text and then I simply go to
my MS Word doc and copy the text and then go back and paste it into the
field where I want it.  There are also places where you can browse for a
file or image.  The business pages are much harder to use than the regular
FB page so I ask for sighted help as needed.  If a sighted person tells me
where they found a particular feature then that gives me a path for the
future.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

Wayne:

Can you tell me, perhaps, how to insert a word document into a FB page i.e.,
as in a business page? Thanks. Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wayne smith
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

I haven't either but those things are cute but not essential.  Let FB know

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

How about adding immogees like balloons and different facial expressions and
such?  Any easy way?  I haven't found it.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/15/2017 2:25 PM, wayne smith wrote:
> I nearly always use m.facebook.com since the mobile version is much
simpler.
> I simply arrow through choices or use letter forms to move between
articles
> by pressing H or P.  You can also use the Jaws find Insert-f to look 
> for something particular.  If you wander around on the site you will 
> get to learn it.
>
> Wayne
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of LeDon
> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:40 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17
>
> I am also wanting to get help using Facebook with Jaws. Would anyone 
> familiar with Facebook with jaws who want to help please contact me also.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:29 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] facebook with jaws 17
>
> Could the same courtesy be extended to me as well? Many Thanks. Jerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: t
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:58 PM
> To: jul
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] facebook with jaws 17
>
> I'm gonna try and use facebook like most people, but will need 
> guidance navigating the facebook page with jaws, so would anyone who 
> uses facebook
a
> lot, please contact me off list, and help me do facebook?
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>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

[jyandt.martin]

Wayne:

Can you tell me, perhaps, how to insert a word document into a FB page i.e., 
as in a business page? Thanks. Jerry


-Original Message- 
From: wayne smith

Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

I haven't either but those things are cute but not essential.  Let FB know

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

How about adding immogees like balloons and different facial expressions and
such?  Any easy way?  I haven't found it.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/15/2017 2:25 PM, wayne smith wrote:

I nearly always use m.facebook.com since the mobile version is much

simpler.

I simply arrow through choices or use letter forms to move between

articles

by pressing H or P.  You can also use the Jaws find Insert-f to look for
something particular.  If you wander around on the site you will get to
learn it.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of LeDon
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Facebook with jaws 17

I am also wanting to get help using Facebook with Jaws. Would anyone
familiar with Facebook with jaws who want to help please contact me also.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] facebook with jaws 17

Could the same courtesy be extended to me as well? Many Thanks. Jerry

-Original Message-
From: t
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:58 PM
To: jul
Subject: [JAWS-Users] facebook with jaws 17

I'm gonna try and use facebook like most people, but will need guidance
navigating the facebook page with jaws, so would anyone who uses facebook

a

lot, please contact me off list, and help me do facebook?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

[Russ Kiehne]

   As youstated, the jaws say all commend is insert+down arrow.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Behler

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 7:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Pardon my ignorance here, but what exactly is the "say all" command?

Is it insert on the numpad plus the number 2?

I ask this because Jaws has occasionally crashed for me using this command 
as well with IE and Firefox.


Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

In my case, jaws crashes when using the jaws say all command using internet 
explorer or firefox with my tripletalk usb.  From what I was told the same 
thing happens with the dectalk usb.


-Original Message-
From: The Iowa Gal
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

So if you're not having the issue, the rest of us are just losing our minds, 
huh? Here's another vote for it being an I.E. problem.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

This is Not a Internet Explorer issue. I am running latest Jaws 18, the
Creators update, office 365, current updates to all. I am having no issues.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

I always used to have these sorts of issues with iE...any version, of either
JAWS or IE. I finally pretty much switched 100% to firefox and now
everything works like a charm.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Just to add to this, I have the same issue with Jaws 16 through 18 on a Win
7 Ultimate system.

It invariably seems to correlate to the use of IE 11.  It is not
duplicatable, but it does happen with enough consistency that there's got to
be a bug somewhere in the program.

When it happens, if I can get Jaws to stumble-and-bumble to the process
manager, I can close IE and reload Jaws.  Oftentimes, Jaws is so sluggish
i.e. not quite non-responsive -- that I end up loading System Access to go
and close IE11 and Jaws.  Then, I can re-load Jaws and its happy.

If I use a competitive screen-reader, I've not encountered these issues.

Steve
- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing



Hi Miriam,  The mysterious and annoying behavior you describe also
happens to me on occasion.  Likewise, I have the latest JAWS 18 with
Windows 7 and a 64 bit system.
Short of rebooting the system, applying the hot key sequence I have
assigned to JAWS 18 will sometimes return speech but it's all
guesswork and when the hot key fails to return speech, I am forced to
restart the system.  Lastly, it seems to happen when tabbing away from
an open web site but beyond this pattern, I remain puzzled by this
annoyance.  Mitch

“The problem with quotes on the Internet
   is that people instantly believe they’re real.”

   -(Abraham Lincoln)

-Original Message-
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws still disappearing

Even after this latest update, Jaws occasionally and unexpectedly goes
silent when I change from one window to another. Jaws 18, Windows 7 .
Office
365, 64 bit computer. None of the key strokes that have been
suggested, appear to work. I go to the desktop and wait. Nothing
happens. If I press the power  button lightly, just before the
computer turns off, Jaws starts to talk. But I can't, at that point, stop
the computer from turning off.
It
just happened to  me again. Very frustrating! Is this happening to
anyone else? What do you do when it happens?

Miriam


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Re: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

[Jeff Christiansen]

Insert and Minus on the number pad

To return to PC cursor press
The plus key on the number pad



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

how do I route jaws to pc
I know how to switch from the virtual pc cursor to the jaws cursor is it the
same?
Email is golden!!!
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[JAWS-Users] route jaws to pc

[Kevin]

how do I route jaws to pc
I know how to switch from the virtual pc cursor to the jaws cursor is it the 
same?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

[Doug Murray]

Hi michael.

At the end of the day I end by doing a restart, and then a shut down.
In the Morning when I re boot the computer it works fine most of the time. This 
process takes a bit of time, but it seems to be worth the effert
Doug
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michaeel's mail
Sent: July 19, 2017 8:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi Doug i actually find if i only need to do a restart jaws sees the sign in 
box every time.
But from a fresh boot up i have trouble.
Cheers michael.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Murray
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hello

I find that if you do a shut down and restart, and then do a shut dow, Jaws and 
windows10 will start OK.
Give it a try.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: July 19, 2017 11:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Yes, this is an issue from time to time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of michael fridey
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:55 PM
To: jaws help list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] sign in with jaws.

Hi guys i find jaws some times  at start up jaws will not see the log in screen.

I start naratter when jaws will not see the edit box.

Is anybody else finding that.

cheers Michael.

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