Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

[JM Casey]

That's great. Should help us out a lot. Thank you.



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Of Fernando Gregoire
Sent: January 8, 2018 10:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

In addition to information given by Roger, you can find useful to see the JAWS 
Support for ARIA document, by Freedom Scientific, which explains not only 
compatibility level between JAWS and different browsers with specific ARIA 
tags, but also aspects in which for some reason JAWS deviates formally from the 
standards. You can find this document in Word format here:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/JAWS-ARIA-Support.doc

Hope it helps!

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Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 7:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

Thank you very much, Roger. No need to apologise; this was exactly the sort of 
thing I needed to read. Thanks for the page reference as well; I will show it 
to my contact and maybe she can pass it along to the developer. I understand 
the concept of web 2.0 and HTML 5; it was just good to get all this stuff 
clarified a bit, especially in the case of "aria". So thanks again.



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Roger Newell
Sent: January 8, 2018 4:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

OK, this is going to be a bit of a rant, but please read it all because you 
will hopefully find it interesting and important.

About ten years ago, a new concept was invented. It was called Web 2.0. It 
isn't a new "version" of the web, but rather a new approach to what the web is 
and what it can do. In the 1990s and early 2000s, the web was simply a portal 
for reading and editing basic information, but around 2008 or so, this began 
tochange with the advent of Facebook, Twitter and more comprehensive websites. 
People started using the web for everything from banking to advanced document 
creation to even viewing and manipulating the files on other devices.

To keep up with this, The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) created Accessible 
Rich Internet Applications (ARIA). Many web developers saw the need to use 
nonstandard controls on their websites. For example, rather than having a 
button that advanced a user to a completely different page to see information, 
they wanted to have controls that expanded and collapsed different parts of a 
page. To let screen reader users know exactly what they were seeing, ARIA can 
be used to tell the screen reader and the blind user something like, "Hey. This 
is a nonstandard control. Just think of it as a button and you'll be okay.
And by the way, right now, it's open, so there's more information to see on 
this page." Web developers can use ARIA to give sections of their pages custom 
region names. As an example, go to the Training Downloads Page of the Freedom 
Scientific website.

A few years after ARIA came along, HTML5 (the latest version of the markup 
language used to code websites) was released. This gave web developers a lot of 
new semantic tools to play with because it was hoped that they would use to 
identify different parts of their pages so that one day, when AI would be 
advanced enough to read and comprehend webpages themselves, they would be able 
to more easily analyse websites using these semantic tags. Have you ever heard 
JAWS say something like "article" or "content information"? There are also tags 
for naming regions. These are some of the new tags in HTML5, but be aware that 
sometimes JAWS does not speak the correct name for the tag, which is one reason 
why JAWS is only somewhat standards-compliant. In JAWS 2018, you have the 
ability to customize what tags JAWS speaks aloud. To see this, go to Settings 
Center > Web/HTML/PDF > Reading > Customize Web Verbosity Levels or something 
like that.

So how do ARIA and HTML5 go together to announce regions? The answer is that 
they often overlap. This page 
(https://dequeuniversity.com/assets/html/jquery-summit/html5/slides/landmark
s.html)
explains this in greater detail and may be of more use to the people doing the 
web design. It is somewhat strange that we can access this page as it is part 
of a paid course, but it came up in Google search results.

So, to summarize, if at all possible, the web developers should embrace both
HTML5 and ARIA to make the most accessible website possible.

Sorry for the long explanation.

On 1/9/18, JM Casey  wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
>
>
> I was recently talking to some people designing a website, and 
> attempting to describe the experience using a 

Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

[Fernando Gregoire]

In addition to information given by Roger, you can find useful to see the JAWS 
Support for ARIA document, by Freedom Scientific, which explains not only 
compatibility level between JAWS and different browsers with specific ARIA 
tags, but also aspects in which for some reason JAWS deviates formally from the 
standards. You can find this document in Word format here:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/JAWS-ARIA-Support.doc

Hope it helps!

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 7:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

Thank you very much, Roger. No need to apologise; this was exactly the sort of 
thing I needed to read. Thanks for the page reference as well; I will show it 
to my contact and maybe she can pass it along to the developer. I understand 
the concept of web 2.0 and HTML 5; it was just good to get all this stuff 
clarified a bit, especially in the case of "aria". So thanks again.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Roger Newell
Sent: January 8, 2018 4:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

OK, this is going to be a bit of a rant, but please read it all because you 
will hopefully find it interesting and important.

About ten years ago, a new concept was invented. It was called Web 2.0. It 
isn't a new "version" of the web, but rather a new approach to what the web is 
and what it can do. In the 1990s and early 2000s, the web was simply a portal 
for reading and editing basic information, but around 2008 or so, this began 
tochange with the advent of Facebook, Twitter and more comprehensive websites. 
People started using the web for everything from banking to advanced document 
creation to even viewing and manipulating the files on other devices.

To keep up with this, The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) created Accessible 
Rich Internet Applications (ARIA). Many web developers saw the need to use 
nonstandard controls on their websites. For example, rather than having a 
button that advanced a user to a completely different page to see information, 
they wanted to have controls that expanded and collapsed different parts of a 
page. To let screen reader users know exactly what they were seeing, ARIA can 
be used to tell the screen reader and the blind user something like, "Hey. This 
is a nonstandard control. Just think of it as a button and you'll be okay.
And by the way, right now, it's open, so there's more information to see on 
this page." Web developers can use ARIA to give sections of their pages custom 
region names. As an example, go to the Training Downloads Page of the Freedom 
Scientific website.

A few years after ARIA came along, HTML5 (the latest version of the markup 
language used to code websites) was released. This gave web developers a lot of 
new semantic tools to play with because it was hoped that they would use to 
identify different parts of their pages so that one day, when AI would be 
advanced enough to read and comprehend webpages themselves, they would be able 
to more easily analyse websites using these semantic tags. Have you ever heard 
JAWS say something like "article" or "content information"? There are also tags 
for naming regions. These are some of the new tags in HTML5, but be aware that 
sometimes JAWS does not speak the correct name for the tag, which is one reason 
why JAWS is only somewhat standards-compliant. In JAWS 2018, you have the 
ability to customize what tags JAWS speaks aloud. To see this, go to Settings 
Center > Web/HTML/PDF > Reading > Customize Web Verbosity Levels or something 
like that.

So how do ARIA and HTML5 go together to announce regions? The answer is that 
they often overlap. This page 
(https://dequeuniversity.com/assets/html/jquery-summit/html5/slides/landmark
s.html)
explains this in greater detail and may be of more use to the people doing the 
web design. It is somewhat strange that we can access this page as it is part 
of a paid course, but it came up in Google search results.

So, to summarize, if at all possible, the web developers should embrace both
HTML5 and ARIA to make the most accessible website possible.

Sorry for the long explanation.

On 1/9/18, JM Casey  wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
>
>
> I was recently talking to some people designing a website, and 
> attempting to describe the experience using a screen-reader. I 
> explained about quick navigation, the virtual cursor/buffer, and the 
> various types of elements to which a screen-reader can quickly 
> position its reading cursor. Although I have yet to talk to the actual 
> developer, and I think he might have a greater understanding of this, 
> I was unable to adequately 

[JAWS-Users] wlm not reading message in th3 body but in a txt file

[Janie Degenshein]

A friend of mine has his wlm set up
and working fine until a few days ago
Now when entering on the message, he needs to wait for about 5 seconds and 
the message area reads blank blank blank   so our workaround is to  shift 
tab to get to the area that says . txt and open like an attachment
Can anyone suggest where I should look with him
He previously had his computer scanned, disc clean up/defrag and his 
temporary internet files deleted and reopened wlm to no avail
Suggestions ???Keep Smiling,
Janie Degenshein
Happiness isn't having what you want, but wanting what you already have!
Facilitator of ECHO (Eyes Closed Hearts Open)
state affiliate board member
President of the senior division of the National Federation of the Blind of 
New Jersey
President of the Technology division of the National federation of the Blind 
of New Jersey
NFBNJ Newsline co-ordinator
jdege...@comcast.net
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[JAWS-Users] combo box not working

[Judy]

Hi, all, in the past few days when I am on a website and I encounter a combo
box where I need to arrow to what I want, it doesn't work. I open the combo
box as usual, but the arrow keys don't work, nothing moves or reads. It
doesn't matter what website it is. Using Win 7 and Jaws 14.  Any ideas?
Judy & Libby

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] shortcut key for jaws

[JM Casey]

You wouldn't have to find it on the desktop. Just hit windows key+r, and
type in "jaws17" or "jaws18", depending on what version you want. Then,
there it is. Considering that every JAWS install removes the shortcut, and
how often they have updates nowadays, I just stopped bothering with the
shortcut altogether, and just use the run command, which always works so
long as File Explorer is running.




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Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: January 8, 2018 5:33 PM
To: Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] shortcut key for jaws

I'm still using Jaws 18 so I don't know if this is changed in Jaws 2018. 
However, I have noticed over the years when you perform a jaws update you
also have to put back your shortcut key to bring up Jaws. I'mglad I have
Jaws to start first on reboot because I would have a difficult time trying
to find the version of jaws I'm using since I have Jaws 17 as well as 18 on
the desktop.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Steve]

Still do, yes, but I think it won't work with the newer versions of Firefox.
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From: "Star Gazer" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA



Anybody use web vism?

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Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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[JAWS-Users] shortcut key for jaws

[leonard morris]

I'm still using Jaws 18 so I don't know if this is changed in Jaws 2018. 
However, I have noticed over the years when you perform a jaws update 
you also have to put back your shortcut key to bring up Jaws. I'mglad I 
have Jaws to start first on reboot because I would have a difficult time 
trying to find the version of jaws I'm using since I have Jaws 17 as 
well as 18 on the desktop.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[JM Casey]

Hi.

So, which version of FF do you have running?
I mostly stopped using IE completely and use firfox only about 99% of the
time. The one time I went back to iE recently is when FF 57 would only work
with nVDA, and I wasn't quite willing to give up on JAWS altogether. But I
quickly went back to FF when I got the Extended Support release.



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Scorpio
Sent: January 8, 2018 4:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Webvisum all the time, and I have yet to come across an image it does
not solve.

I do use an older version of Firefox, but since I only use it for solving
images, I don't feel the need to update it since most, if not all my web
browsing is done in Internet Explorer.

Either way, it still does work with older versions of Firefox.

Scorpio


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Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

[JM Casey]

Thank you very much, Roger. No need to apologise; this was exactly the sort
of thing I needed to read. Thanks for the page reference as well; I will
show it to my contact and maybe she can pass it along to the developer. I
understand the concept of web 2.0 and HTML 5; it was just good to get all
this stuff clarified a bit, especially in the case of "aria". So thanks
again.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Roger Newell
Sent: January 8, 2018 4:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

OK, this is going to be a bit of a rant, but please read it all because you
will hopefully find it interesting and important.

About ten years ago, a new concept was invented. It was called Web 2.0. It
isn't a new "version" of the web, but rather a new approach to what the web
is and what it can do. In the 1990s and early 2000s, the web was simply a
portal for reading and editing basic information, but around 2008 or so,
this began tochange with the advent of Facebook, Twitter and more
comprehensive websites. People started using the web for everything from
banking to advanced document creation to even viewing and manipulating the
files on other devices.

To keep up with this, The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) created Accessible
Rich Internet Applications (ARIA). Many web developers saw the need to use
nonstandard controls on their websites. For example, rather than having a
button that advanced a user to a completely different page to see
information, they wanted to have controls that expanded and collapsed
different parts of a page. To let screen reader users know exactly what they
were seeing, ARIA can be used to tell the screen reader and the blind user
something like, "Hey. This is a nonstandard control. Just think of it as a
button and you'll be okay.
And by the way, right now, it's open, so there's more information to see on
this page." Web developers can use ARIA to give sections of their pages
custom region names. As an example, go to the Training Downloads Page of the
Freedom Scientific website.

A few years after ARIA came along, HTML5 (the latest version of the markup
language used to code websites) was released. This gave web developers a lot
of new semantic tools to play with because it was hoped that they would use
to identify different parts of their pages so that one day, when AI would be
advanced enough to read and comprehend webpages themselves, they would be
able to more easily analyse websites using these semantic tags. Have you
ever heard JAWS say something like "article" or "content information"? There
are also tags for naming regions. These are some of the new tags in HTML5,
but be aware that sometimes JAWS does not speak the correct name for the
tag, which is one reason why JAWS is only somewhat standards-compliant. In
JAWS 2018, you have the ability to customize what tags JAWS speaks aloud. To
see this, go to Settings Center > Web/HTML/PDF > Reading > Customize Web
Verbosity Levels or something like that.

So how do ARIA and HTML5 go together to announce regions? The answer is that
they often overlap. This page
(https://dequeuniversity.com/assets/html/jquery-summit/html5/slides/landmark
s.html)
explains this in greater detail and may be of more use to the people doing
the web design. It is somewhat strange that we can access this page as it is
part of a paid course, but it came up in Google search results.

So, to summarize, if at all possible, the web developers should embrace both
HTML5 and ARIA to make the most accessible website possible.

Sorry for the long explanation.

On 1/9/18, JM Casey  wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
>
>
> I was recently talking to some people designing a website, and 
> attempting to describe the experience using a screen-reader. I 
> explained about quick navigation, the virtual cursor/buffer, and the 
> various types of elements to which a screen-reader can quickly 
> position its reading cursor. Although I have yet to talk to the actual 
> developer, and I think he might have a greater understanding of this, 
> I was unable to adequately describe a "region", and how navigating by 
> regions, or quickly jumping to the "main region", has become essential 
> on, for example, my bank website, which is full of junk. Essentially, 
> nobody seemed very familiar with this idea of "regions".
>
>
>
> I found this page:
> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/examples/landmarks/region.htm
> l
>
> Which provides a decent explanation. I'm still only vaguely sure what 
> aria is, though.
>
> Does anyone familiar with web-coding on the list feel like chiming in, 
> I wonder?
>
>
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

[Roger Newell]

OK, this is going to be a bit of a rant, but please read it all
because you will hopefully find it interesting and important.

About ten years ago, a new concept was invented. It was called Web
2.0. It isn't a new "version" of the web, but rather a new approach to
what the web is and what it can do. In the 1990s and early 2000s, the
web was simply a portal for reading and editing basic information, but
around 2008 or so, this began tochange with the advent of Facebook,
Twitter and more comprehensive websites. People started using the web
for everything from banking to advanced document creation to even
viewing and manipulating the files on other devices.

To keep up with this, The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) created
Accessible Rich Internet Applications (ARIA). Many web developers saw
the need to use nonstandard controls on their websites. For example,
rather than having a button that advanced a user to a completely
different page to see information, they wanted to have controls that
expanded and collapsed different parts of a page. To let screen reader
users know exactly what they were seeing, ARIA can be used to tell the
screen reader and the blind user something like, "Hey. This is a
nonstandard control. Just think of it as a button and you'll be okay.
And by the way, right now, it's open, so there's more information to
see on this page." Web developers can use ARIA to give sections of
their pages custom region names. As an example, go to the Training
Downloads Page of the Freedom Scientific website.

A few years after ARIA came along, HTML5 (the latest version of the
markup language used to code websites) was released. This gave web
developers a lot of new semantic tools to play with because it was
hoped that they would use to identify different parts of their pages
so that one day, when AI would be advanced enough to read and
comprehend webpages themselves, they would be able to more easily
analyse websites using these semantic tags. Have you ever heard JAWS
say something like "article" or "content information"? There are also
tags for naming regions. These are some of the new tags in HTML5, but
be aware that sometimes JAWS does not speak the correct name for the
tag, which is one reason why JAWS is only somewhat
standards-compliant. In JAWS 2018, you have the ability to customize
what tags JAWS speaks aloud. To see this, go to Settings Center >
Web/HTML/PDF > Reading > Customize Web Verbosity Levels or something
like that.

So how do ARIA and HTML5 go together to announce regions? The answer
is that they often overlap. This page
(https://dequeuniversity.com/assets/html/jquery-summit/html5/slides/landmarks.html)
explains this in greater detail and may be of more use to the people
doing the web design. It is somewhat strange that we can access this
page as it is part of a paid course, but it came up in Google search
results.

So, to summarize, if at all possible, the web developers should
embrace both HTML5 and ARIA to make the most accessible website
possible.

Sorry for the long explanation.

On 1/9/18, JM Casey  wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
>
>
> I was recently talking to some people designing a website, and attempting
> to
> describe the experience using a screen-reader. I explained about quick
> navigation, the virtual cursor/buffer, and the various types of elements to
> which a screen-reader can quickly position its reading cursor. Although I
> have yet to talk to the actual developer, and I think he might have a
> greater understanding of this, I was unable to adequately describe a
> "region", and how navigating by regions, or quickly jumping to the "main
> region", has become essential on, for example, my bank website, which is
> full of junk. Essentially, nobody seemed very familiar with this idea of
> "regions".
>
>
>
> I found this page:
> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/examples/landmarks/region.html
>
> Which provides a decent explanation. I'm still only vaguely sure what aria
> is, though.
>
> Does anyone familiar with web-coding on the list feel like chiming in, I
> wonder?
>
>
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Scorpio]

I use Webvisum all the time, and I have yet to come across an image it does 
not solve.


I do use an older version of Firefox, but since I only use it for solving 
images, I don't feel the need to update it since most, if not all my web 
browsing is done in Internet Explorer.


Either way, it still does work with older versions of Firefox.

Scorpio


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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[JM Casey]

Ok. The important part of webvism, the one we're all talking about -- indeed
doesn't seem to work. I get a "not found or session expired" error message,
on this one page at least (IMDB password recovery). The interesting thing is
that on normal pages without a capsha, it just says "no capsha on this page"
or something like  that.

So -- does anyone successfully use this application, or not, these days?
Andy said it doesn't work with new versions offirefox. Is this is true, it
makes the add-on completely useless, as most people will be updating their
firefoxes regularly, and indeed, the software itself greatly encourages
this, for various perfectly sensible reasons.



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Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: January 8, 2018 4:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I believe
It appears to work with my Firefox 52 (esr). At least, the add-on is
installed and running, and some of its features appear to work, including
the additions to the firefox context menu. As to whether it solves these
things for real though -- well, to be honest, I'm still not sure.


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: January 8, 2018 3:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I do not believe that Webvisum will work with later versions of Firefox.

Andy

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To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


> Anybody use web vism?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of chris judge
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA
> 
> I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA
> 
> is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
> Email is golden!!!
> Kevin Lee
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 
> 
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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> 
> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[JM Casey]

I believe 
It appears to work with my Firefox 52 (esr). At least, the add-on is
installed and running, and some of its features appear to work, including
the additions to the firefox context menu. As to whether it solves these
things for real though -- well, to be honest, I'm still not sure.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: January 8, 2018 3:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I do not believe that Webvisum will work with later versions of Firefox.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Star Gazer" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


> Anybody use web vism?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of chris judge
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA
> 
> I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA
> 
> is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
> Email is golden!!!
> Kevin Lee
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[JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

[JM Casey]

Hi everyone.

 

I was recently talking to some people designing a website, and attempting to
describe the experience using a screen-reader. I explained about quick
navigation, the virtual cursor/buffer, and the various types of elements to
which a screen-reader can quickly position its reading cursor. Although I
have yet to talk to the actual developer, and I think he might have a
greater understanding of this, I was unable to adequately describe a
"region", and how navigating by regions, or quickly jumping to the "main
region", has become essential on, for example, my bank website, which is
full of junk. Essentially, nobody seemed very familiar with this idea of
"regions". 

 

I found this page:
https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/examples/landmarks/region.html 

Which provides a decent explanation. I'm still only vaguely sure what aria
is, though.

Does anyone familiar with web-coding on the list feel like chiming in, I
wonder?

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Andy Baracco]

I do not believe that Webvisum will work with later versions of Firefox.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Star Gazer" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA



Anybody use web vism?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Steve]

No

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 1:36 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA



is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel 13 Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

It is in a subfolder under documents.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 1:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel 13 Inquiry

Jerry,

Check on where your default file folder is.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 09:59
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Excel 13 Inquiry


Morning everyone.
I use Excel 2013, JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop.
I have a curious problem whenever attempting to open a previously saved
excel file. I go to the open menu, and tab to the list of previously opened
files, and my particular worksheet is not in the list. I have to go into my
documents, and locate it that way. I have tried saving it after opening it,
closing Excel, and reopening it, but I get the same results. Any
suggestions/recommendations? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Judy Jones]

Very Wise Counsel.

Judy


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 11:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Ed and Others,

Be very careful when using BeMyEyes to read your computer screen. Make sure
you get to the captcha section *before* you enter any personal information,
and make sure that there is *no* other personal information on that screen
or on other windows in the background. As nice as the BeMyEyes service is,
it is a human on the other end who is reading your computer screen, and they
can see everything on it.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Ed" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 08:46
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

I followed your instructions, and came up with the notification for driver 
support. So I pressed enter on it, and then the notification disappeared. 
So, either I cleared the notification, or it updated itself. Anyway, I am 
uncertain as to what I did. Hopefully, nothing detrimental. And yes; I am 
using Windows 10. Thanks.



-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 1:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

I've never seen such a message. It doesn't say anything more specific? Are
you using windows 10? If so, you might be able to use windows-key +a to view
the notification properly in action centre, assuming it goes away quickly
and you can't alt-tab to it because it's not a full/proper window. It's
probably not accessible from the JAWS system tray list command.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: January 8, 2018 1:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

No, I just get a message whenever I turn on my laptop about driver support;
and updating it. However, there is nothing on my screen whenever I tab
around the open programs. Perhaps it is in the systems tray?
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

Hey jerry.

Microsoft Windows update does often include drivers. Are you looking for
something specific? Maybe check the manufacturer's site, if you feel you're
missing out on the latest drivers for something. It's up to the
manufacturers to update their drivers See if this MS community thread helps
you somehow:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-windows_install
/windows-10-driver-support/5147f4e3-279c-4d22-ae5d-d3208672d176?auth=1

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: January 8, 2018 9:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

Morning Everyone:
I was wanting to find out if anyone out there can give me the steps/process
for locating my driver support for updating it. I am using Windows 10 and
JAWS 2018 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Dave...Oregonian]

Ed and Others,

Be very careful when using BeMyEyes to read your computer screen. Make sure 
you get to the captcha section *before* you enter any personal information, 
and make sure that there is *no* other personal information on that screen 
or on other windows in the background. As nice as the BeMyEyes service is, 
it is a human on the other end who is reading your computer screen, and they 
can see everything on it.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Ed" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 08:46
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Judy Jones]

This is marvelous.  Be My Eyes is also on Google Play Store for Android.  I
love the app.

Judy


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 11:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Do you do this with your phone? Do you hold your phone's camera up to your
PC screen?

-Original Message-
From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 10:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

[JM Casey]

I've never seen such a message. It doesn't say anything more specific? Are
you using windows 10? If so, you might be able to use windows-key +a to view
the notification properly in action centre, assuming it goes away quickly
and you can't alt-tab to it because it's not a full/proper window. It's
probably not accessible from the JAWS system tray list command.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: January 8, 2018 1:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

No, I just get a message whenever I turn on my laptop about driver support;
and updating it. However, there is nothing on my screen whenever I tab
around the open programs. Perhaps it is in the systems tray?
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

Hey jerry.

Microsoft Windows update does often include drivers. Are you looking for
something specific? Maybe check the manufacturer's site, if you feel you're
missing out on the latest drivers for something. It's up to the
manufacturers to update their drivers See if this MS community thread helps
you somehow:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-windows_install
/windows-10-driver-support/5147f4e3-279c-4d22-ae5d-d3208672d176?auth=1

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: January 8, 2018 9:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

Morning Everyone:
I was wanting to find out if anyone out there can give me the steps/process
for locating my driver support for updating it. I am using Windows 10 and
JAWS 2018 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Tom Fairhurst]

Do you do this with your phone? Do you hold your phone's camera up to your 
PC screen?


-Original Message- 
From: Mr. Ed

Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 10:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel 13 Inquiry

[Dave...Oregonian]

Jerry,

Check on where your default file folder is.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 09:59
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Excel 13 Inquiry


Morning everyone.
I use Excel 2013, JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop.
I have a curious problem whenever attempting to open a previously saved 
excel file. I go to the open menu, and tab to the list of previously opened 
files, and my particular worksheet is not in the list. I have to go into my 
documents, and locate it that way. I have tried saving it after opening it, 
closing Excel, and reopening it, but I get the same results. Any 
suggestions/recommendations? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Where do I locate WordPad

[Kimsan]

I think it's under accessories. If not, bring up the run dialog with windows
key r, type in wordpad and press enter.


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-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Arianna Calesso
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Where do I locate WordPad

I'm using Windows 7 and JAWS 18 and for the life of me I can't find WordPad.


Can someone tell me where to look?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

No, I just get a message whenever I turn on my laptop about driver support; 
and updating it. However, there is nothing on my screen whenever I tab 
around the open programs. Perhaps it is in the systems tray?

Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

Hey jerry.

Microsoft Windows update does often include drivers. Are you looking for
something specific? Maybe check the manufacturer's site, if you feel you're
missing out on the latest drivers for something. It's up to the
manufacturers to update their drivers See if this MS community thread helps
you somehow:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-windows_install
/windows-10-driver-support/5147f4e3-279c-4d22-ae5d-d3208672d176?auth=1

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: January 8, 2018 9:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

Morning Everyone:
I was wanting to find out if anyone out there can give me the steps/process
for locating my driver support for updating it. I am using Windows 10 and
JAWS 2018 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

[JM Casey]

Hey jerry.

Microsoft Windows update does often include drivers. Are you looking for
something specific? Maybe check the manufacturer's site, if you feel you're
missing out on the latest drivers for something. It's up to the
manufacturers to update their drivers See if this MS community thread helps
you somehow:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-windows_install
/windows-10-driver-support/5147f4e3-279c-4d22-ae5d-d3208672d176?auth=1

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: January 8, 2018 9:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

Morning Everyone:
I was wanting to find out if anyone out there can give me the steps/process
for locating my driver support for updating it. I am using Windows 10 and
JAWS 2018 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Jim Pursley]

Indeed.  Firefox/Google captchas use the I am not a robot facility and 
lately when the captcha pops up the x is checked and I get a free pass.  
I am also finding that the audio rendition of the visual captcha is a 
lot more, well, audible, than it used to be.  So some improvement, anyway.


The I phone solution sounds marvelous - expanding the tool kit of 
techniques.


On 1/8/2018 3:13 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

I'm not sure about that, Dave. I was able to install it on Firefox, and it still appears 
in "Tools." However, it's been a very long time since I've encountered CAPTCHA 
and so needed to use Webvisum.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Appears that Webvizum is dead.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Star Gazer" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 08:53
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


Anybody use web vism?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[JM Casey]

I think I finally got it working, but I still need proof that it actually
solves them. HahaI'm going to try re-signing up to IMDB soon, so we'll
see how that goes.



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Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: January 8, 2018 11:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Anybody use web vism?

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Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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[JAWS-Users] Excel 13 Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

Morning everyone.
I use Excel 2013, JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop.
I have a curious problem whenever attempting to open a previously saved excel 
file. I go to the open menu, and tab to the list of previously opened files, 
and my particular worksheet is not in the list. I have to go into my documents, 
and locate it that way. I have tried saving it after opening it, closing Excel, 
and reopening it, but I get the same results. Any suggestions/recommendations? 
Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Adrian Spratt]

I'm not sure about that, Dave. I was able to install it on Firefox, and it 
still appears in "Tools." However, it's been a very long time since I've 
encountered CAPTCHA and so needed to use Webvisum. 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Appears that Webvizum is dead.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Star Gazer" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 08:53
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


Anybody use web vism?

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Dave...Oregonian]

Appears that Webvizum is dead.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Star Gazer" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 08:53
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


Anybody use web vism?

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Mr. Ed]

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

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Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Star Gazer]

Anybody use web vism?

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Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

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Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[Miriam Vieni]

Thanks for this. I'll try it.

Miriam

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Behalf Of George Martinez Sr
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 9:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

Miriam,
When the labels & envelopes dialog first opens focus is on Delivery Address
and JAWS announces that.
TAB 3 times and focus is now in Return Address Type in your return address
then tab on to Print..
As I remember it will make that Return Address your default until modified
or deleted.
There is an "Omit" for return address if you are using a preprinted envelope
with your return address on it, or using return address labels as I do.

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

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Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

George,

Can you tell me step by step, how to change the return address in envelopes
and labels?

Miriam

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Behalf Of George Martinez Sr
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

Miriam,
I am using JAWS 18 with Office 365 in Windows 10 1709.
I have been experiencing that when producing labels & envelopes a good while
now.  I also use MAGic 14.
I understand that not all have this experience in Office 365 with JAWS.
George

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

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Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 8:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

I assume that when I reboot my computer, this problem will disappear, but
just late this afternoon, Jaws would not read individual letters in word if
I arrowed through a line, letter by letter. Then I wrote a business letter
and put an envelope into the printer and went to the envelopes page with alt
1. Jaws acted as if the address wasn't there. I could tell it was there only
because I'm using Magic at 22X and I arrowed around and saw it. I then put
in my return address with alt R and again, Jaws said nothing at all, but I
could see that it was there. I'll see what happens when I reboot, but I'm
wondering if anyone else has encountered this. I have Windows 7, Jaws 18, a
64 bit computer, and IE 11.

Miriam 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[George Martinez Sr]

Miriam,
When the labels & envelopes dialog first opens focus is on Delivery Address
and JAWS announces that.
TAB 3 times and focus is now in Return Address
Type in your return address then tab on to Print..
As I remember it will make that Return Address your default until modified
or deleted.
There is an "Omit" for return address if you are using a preprinted envelope
with your return address on it, or using return address labels as I do.

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

George,

Can you tell me step by step, how to change the return address in envelopes
and labels?

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of George Martinez Sr
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

Miriam,
I am using JAWS 18 with Office 365 in Windows 10 1709.
I have been experiencing that when producing labels & envelopes a good while
now.  I also use MAGic 14.
I understand that not all have this experience in Office 365 with JAWS.
George

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 8:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

I assume that when I reboot my computer, this problem will disappear, but
just late this afternoon, Jaws would not read individual letters in word if
I arrowed through a line, letter by letter. Then I wrote a business letter
and put an envelope into the printer and went to the envelopes page with alt
1. Jaws acted as if the address wasn't there. I could tell it was there only
because I'm using Magic at 22X and I arrowed around and saw it. I then put
in my return address with alt R and again, Jaws said nothing at all, but I
could see that it was there. I'll see what happens when I reboot, but I'm
wondering if anyone else has encountered this. I have Windows 7, Jaws 18, a
64 bit computer, and IE 11.

Miriam 


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[JAWS-Users] Driver Support Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

Morning Everyone:
I was wanting to find out if anyone out there can give me the steps/process for 
locating my driver support for updating it. I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2018 
on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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[JAWS-Users] envelopes and labels

[Miriam Vieni]

George,

Can you tell me step by step, how to change the return address in envelopes
and labels?

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of George Martinez Sr
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

Miriam,
I am using JAWS 18 with Office 365 in Windows 10 1709.
I have been experiencing that when producing labels & envelopes a good while
now.  I also use MAGic 14.
I understand that not all have this experience in Office 365 with JAWS.
George

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 8:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

I assume that when I reboot my computer, this problem will disappear, but
just late this afternoon, Jaws would not read individual letters in word if
I arrowed through a line, letter by letter. Then I wrote a business letter
and put an envelope into the printer and went to the envelopes page with alt
1. Jaws acted as if the address wasn't there. I could tell it was there only
because I'm using Magic at 22X and I arrowed around and saw it. I then put
in my return address with alt R and again, Jaws said nothing at all, but I
could see that it was there. I'll see what happens when I reboot, but I'm
wondering if anyone else has encountered this. I have Windows 7, Jaws 18, a
64 bit computer, and IE 11.

Miriam 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

[George Martinez Sr]

Miriam,
I am using JAWS 18 with Office 365 in Windows 10 1709.
I have been experiencing that when producing labels & envelopes a good while
now.  I also use MAGic 14.
I understand that not all have this experience in Office 365 with JAWS.
George

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 8:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and Word in office 365

I assume that when I reboot my computer, this problem will disappear, but
just late this afternoon, Jaws would not read individual letters in word if
I arrowed through a line, letter by letter. Then I wrote a business letter
and put an envelope into the printer and went to the envelopes page with alt
1. Jaws acted as if the address wasn't there. I could tell it was there only
because I'm using Magic at 22X and I arrowed around and saw it. I then put
in my return address with alt R and again, Jaws said nothing at all, but I
could see that it was there. I'll see what happens when I reboot, but I'm
wondering if anyone else has encountered this. I have Windows 7, Jaws 18, a
64 bit computer, and IE 11.

Miriam 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[chris judge]

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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