Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
I also have a fairly high end machine, with Windows 7, 64 bit, with a quad core processor, and have none of these problems you have mentioned. Are you sure it isn't with your settings, or available ram? I don't have any lag times, in fact, it's probably the most responsive version to date. I can't replicate any of the problems you mentioned. Try playing with your ram settings, and also check what programs you have running at startup, maybe that has something to do with the problems you're experiencing. Good luck, Melissa Melissa Riley jamand...@izoom.net riley...@umn.edu -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Saylien Brown Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
well, i think they need to remove the research-it feature and work on the program itself. there are planty of search engines on the internet without having that added to jaws. Legend has it that on Monday 11/8/2010 10:20 AM, Patrick said: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Hi there, I know exactly how you feel but how odd it is that the same program works so differently for users. I would have said jaws 12 is much better than 11. You would of thought that by now Jaws would do just about anything but everyone keeps updating everything and it messes us all up, progress I guess, keeps people in work some would say. Graham -Original Message- From: Saylien Brown Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
I experienced this same problem with JAWS 12 and wrote to the tech support of FS and received the following suggestion, which has helped. Dear Becky Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific technical Support. Try taking the steps below and see if the issue persist. 1. Activate the run dialog Windows key+r 2. Type in: iexplore -extoff And hit enter When Internet Explore comes up, see if the issue still persist. - Original Message - From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Get this off the list and take it to them directly. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Patrick patrickford...@msn.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Thanks for that tidbit, helps a lot! Heather For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Thanks Becky for sharing this tip. But it is not a permanent solution to the problem. It simply disables all add-ons running in Internet Explorer (Including Flash.) This makes many of the sites I visit useless for they use Macromedia Flash to display their content. The first beta of JAWS 12 worked the best in my opinion. Wish there was some way I could re-install it, without the recent updates that messed it up. At 11:25 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: I experienced this same problem with JAWS 12 and wrote to the tech support of FS and received the following suggestion, which has helped. Dear Becky Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific technical Support. Try taking the steps below and see if the issue persist. 1. Activate the run dialog Windows key+r 2. Type in: iexplore -extoff And hit enter When Internet Explore comes up, see if the issue still persist. - Original Message - From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Patrick, think you're being a little hard on HJ. Yes, I'm quite upset with the 12 release, but JAWS has been a blessen in my eyes in accessing the Internet and doing work on my PC. I don't believe HJ would release any product simply to make a buck. They really try their best to keep up with changes to Windows, browsers and other en-user applications. Just think they did too much to JAWS this time around. They will get it together. I thoroughly believe that in my heart. At 11:20 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Melissa, your theory would make since, but my system works perfectly with all releases of version 11. Everything I mentioned goes away when I switched back to using it. It is definitely something extra they did to the Virtual Buffer, the way v 12 interfaces with the video card... something. Problems only happen when using Internet Explorer 8 it seems. I have 4 GB of RAM installed, and am running Windows 7 home premium. This PC is quite capable of handling even the most memory intensive applications, except for JAWS v12. At 10:44 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: I also have a fairly high end machine, with Windows 7, 64 bit, with a quad core processor, and have none of these problems you have mentioned. Are you sure it isn't with your settings, or available ram? I don't have any lag times, in fact, it's probably the most responsive version to date. I can't replicate any of the problems you mentioned. Try playing with your ram settings, and also check what programs you have running at startup, maybe that has something to do with the problems you're experiencing. Good luck, Melissa Melissa Riley jamand...@izoom.net riley...@umn.edu -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Saylien Brown Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Well then stop using it and see how far you get with your computer. Either way I don't care just get this off my list. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Patrick patrickford...@msn.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! I'm speaking only on version 12 - whatever blessings have come or will come are another story - yes, FS is in the business of making money - and that is fine , however I believe there are some releases that are shoved out onto us and we'll just take anything because we need it ...itit's easy: here it is: they make money off of blind people - big money - do you really think that these releases are worth the money you just shelled out? Of course they are not. The government buys 88 percent of these programs so the price is based on that. I'm not being hard - I'm being too soft - it's ridiculous what we pay for these programs. They should be shamed of themselves. She brings me good things. -- 'From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Patrick, think you're being a little hard on HJ. Yes, I'm quite upset with the 12 release, but JAWS has been a blessen in my eyes in accessing the Internet and doing work on my PC. I don't believe HJ would release any product simply to make a buck. They really try their best to keep up with changes to Windows, browsers and other en-user applications. Just think they did too much to JAWS this time around. They will get it together. I thoroughly believe that in my heart. At 11:20 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Good afternoon listers, just to add to this discussion... I called fs support to discuss the problems with vs2010 and jfw. The person I spoke with said that it didn't work reliably and that he hoped it would someday. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:39 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! I'm speaking only on version 12 - whatever blessings have come or will come are another story - yes, FS is in the business of making money - and that is fine , however I believe there are some releases that are shoved out onto us and we'll just take anything because we need it ...itit's easy: here it is: they make money off of blind people - big money - do you really think that these releases are worth the money you just shelled out? Of course they are not. The government buys 88 percent of these programs so the price is based on that. I'm not being hard - I'm being too soft - it's ridiculous what we pay for these programs. They should be shamed of themselves. She brings me good things. -- 'From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Patrick, think you're being a little hard on HJ. Yes, I'm quite upset with the 12 release, but JAWS has been a blessen in my eyes in accessing the Internet and doing work on my PC. I don't believe HJ would release any product simply to make a buck. They really try their best to keep up with changes to Windows, browsers and other en-user applications. Just think they did too much to JAWS this time around. They will get it together. I thoroughly believe that in my heart. At 11:20 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ ECKE RANCH Providing Integrity, Innovation, Grower Solutions for 3 Generations! This communication (including any attachments) may contain
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
this is enough, like the mod said, if you have issued with FS, take it off list, and quit cluttering the list with this nonsense. - Original Message - From: Rick Watson rwat...@eckeranch.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good afternoon listers, just to add to this discussion... I called fs support to discuss the problems with vs2010 and jfw. The person I spoke with said that it didn't work reliably and that he hoped it would someday. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:39 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! I'm speaking only on version 12 - whatever blessings have come or will come are another story - yes, FS is in the business of making money - and that is fine , however I believe there are some releases that are shoved out onto us and we'll just take anything because we need it ...itit's easy: here it is: they make money off of blind people - big money - do you really think that these releases are worth the money you just shelled out? Of course they are not. The government buys 88 percent of these programs so the price is based on that. I'm not being hard - I'm being too soft - it's ridiculous what we pay for these programs. They should be shamed of themselves. She brings me good things. -- 'From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Patrick, think you're being a little hard on HJ. Yes, I'm quite upset with the 12 release, but JAWS has been a blessen in my eyes in accessing the Internet and doing work on my PC. I don't believe HJ would release any product simply to make a buck. They really try their best to keep up with changes to Windows, browsers and other en-user applications. Just think they did too much to JAWS this time around. They will get it together. I thoroughly believe that in my heart. At 11:20 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
I haven't called time out for a long time but today is the day. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Rick Watson rwat...@eckeranch.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good afternoon listers, just to add to this discussion... I called fs support to discuss the problems with vs2010 and jfw. The person I spoke with said that it didn't work reliably and that he hoped it would someday. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:39 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! I'm speaking only on version 12 - whatever blessings have come or will come are another story - yes, FS is in the business of making money - and that is fine , however I believe there are some releases that are shoved out onto us and we'll just take anything because we need it ...itit's easy: here it is: they make money off of blind people - big money - do you really think that these releases are worth the money you just shelled out? Of course they are not. The government buys 88 percent of these programs so the price is based on that. I'm not being hard - I'm being too soft - it's ridiculous what we pay for these programs. They should be shamed of themselves. She brings me good things. -- 'From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Patrick, think you're being a little hard on HJ. Yes, I'm quite upset with the 12 release, but JAWS has been a blessen in my eyes in accessing the Internet and doing work on my PC. I don't believe HJ would release any product simply to make a buck. They really try their best to keep up with changes to Windows, browsers and other en-user applications. Just think they did too much to JAWS this time around. They will get it together. I thoroughly believe that in my heart. At 11:20 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
I disagreem I have found the 'Research It feature quite useful. A merry heart does good like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the bones. - Original Message - From: northstar1...@att.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! well, i think they need to remove the research-it feature and work on the program itself. there are planty of search engines on the internet without having that added to jaws. Legend has it that on Monday 11/8/2010 10:20 AM, Patrick said: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
My theory in this issue is this: if you are happy with the current version you are using, then stick with it. I haven't upgraded yet because I am happy with what I am using Jaws 11 for. Let's get this off the list. Wayne A merry heart does good like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the bones. - Original Message - From: Patrick patrickford...@msn.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! I'm speaking only on version 12 - whatever blessings have come or will come are another story - yes, FS is in the business of making money - and that is fine , however I believe there are some releases that are shoved out onto us and we'll just take anything because we need it ...itit's easy: here it is: they make money off of blind people - big money - do you really think that these releases are worth the money you just shelled out? Of course they are not. The government buys 88 percent of these programs so the price is based on that. I'm not being hard - I'm being too soft - it's ridiculous what we pay for these programs. They should be shamed of themselves. She brings me good things. -- 'From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Patrick, think you're being a little hard on HJ. Yes, I'm quite upset with the 12 release, but JAWS has been a blessen in my eyes in accessing the Internet and doing work on my PC. I don't believe HJ would release any product simply to make a buck. They really try their best to keep up with changes to Windows, browsers and other en-user applications. Just think they did too much to JAWS this time around. They will get it together. I thoroughly believe that in my heart. At 11:20 AM 11/8/2010, you wrote: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS!
Obviously I failed to make my point clear enough regarding this subject line. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Wayne Scott waynedsc...@cableone.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! I disagreem I have found the 'Research It feature quite useful. A merry heart does good like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the bones. - Original Message - From: northstar1...@att.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! well, i think they need to remove the research-it feature and work on the program itself. there are planty of search engines on the internet without having that added to jaws. Legend has it that on Monday 11/8/2010 10:20 AM, Patrick said: Wow, I agree. This is the worst. I think they put out this build just to get some cash flow - it was put out before its time. Basically, it is a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves for rippping us off. Come on FS! Get it together. She brings me good things. -- From: Saylien Brown say...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sorry, but I need to rant about v12 of JAWS! Good morning, I've been a supporter of JAWS since version 2.x. Always have stayed up-to-date on my SMA. Never have I been totally dismayed with a major update until version 12.x. This has got to be the worst release of JAWS I've ever tried. First graphics it use to read as so, it now recognizes them as buttons. Quite irritating when you use quick navigation keys to jump to certain elements of a web page to read it faster. And it is quite the memory hog! JAWS 12.x crashes so much on my high-end Windows 7 machine, I've gone back to using 11.x. Think it has something to do with the Virtual Ribbon or new fangled Config manager, who knows. Anycase, it is very irritating to be reading a web page, only to have it go silent for 3 minutes, and then JAWS comes back. Sorry HJ, but I hate v12 of JAWS and have gone back to using v11.x perminantly. It's more stable and doesn't crash every 5 minutes. Wish you allowed us to switch the config manager back to the old one. Do away with using this new Virtual Ribbon. Give us a choice to switch them on and off. If I get booted for expressing my feelings on this list, so be it. Never done this before, until now. Feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for listening. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5601 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
