Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Adrian Spratt 
Yes, it would defeat the object if you set a placemarker and kept text that is 
certain to change.

From this exchange, I hope other listers will have found a few ways to make 
their placemarkers more reliable. When they were introduced many years ago, I 
thought they were one of those new FS features that didn't do much to merit the 
SMA update fee, but they've turned out to be a crucial part of Web navigation 
for me.

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Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 5:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Hi Adrian,

Yes, Spanish JAWS versions fill this edit box automatically too, but I usually 
change this automatic text a bit, especially by making deletions.
As an example, in a website in which articles aren't marked with headings nor 
regions, I added a placemarker into the line it tells the estimated reading 
time.
When I first added this placemarker, the automatically generated text included 
the specific time of the article I opened at that time, for example: “Estimated 
reading time: 6 minutes”.
To make the placemarker helpful for all articles, in addition to checking the 
box to apply this placemarker for all pages in the current domain, in the 
automatically generated text I removed everything after the colon.

You surely also keep this in mind when creating a placemarker, but I never 
needed to mark a place in which there is a link to make the placemarker to be 
reliable. The only case in which I had bad experiences was visiting a 
previously placemarked page but using a different web browser than the one used 
when I created the placemarkers. I suppose this is somewhat related to the 
Responsive Web Design about which Freedom Scientific posted on their blog at 
the end of 2017, but I had problems even on very standard HTMLs.

Hope it helps!

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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 5:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Yes, Fernando, and I usually check that box. To add to what you write here, 
when you check the "anchor to text" box, a new tab field appears with the text 
JAWS detects at that location. This is the edit field you refer to, but (as I'm 
sure you know) it isn't blank. You have a choice of keeping  that text or, as 
you suggest, typing in something different. However, I can't quite see why one 
would write something different. Regardless, this "anchor to text" option in 
the dialog can help in maintaining the placemarker but, in my experience, it is 
no guarantee. Even if the Website designer keeps the same text there, I've 
found that a text-associated placemarker isn't necessarily reliable unless it 
is also associated with a link. 

It sounds as though your experience might be different. I wonder, for example, 
if the Spanish version of JAWS doesn't fill in the edit field. 

I should mention that I haven't read anywhere about this link relationship. 
It's just something I noticed over time.

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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 4:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Hi Adrian,

Have you looked at the Associate with Text checkbox? When adding a placemarker 
this checkbox is unchecked by default, so you mark a line in the virtual 
representation instead of a specific text, therefore any small change on the 
page causes the link or whatever unit you have marked to be misslocated.
If you know a string of text that the part you want to mark always have 
regardless of changes, you can check this checkbox, tab once and enter the 
corresponding part of text. By the way, you will always reach the same element 
as long as the string of text you have associated to the placemarker is 
present, no matter of the line number.

Hope it helps!

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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold their 
place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable when I put 
them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away from a logical 
spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with 
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Fernando Gregoire 
Hi Adrian,

Yes, Spanish JAWS versions fill this edit box automatically too, but I usually 
change this automatic text a bit, especially by making deletions.
As an example, in a website in which articles aren't marked with headings nor 
regions, I added a placemarker into the line it tells the estimated reading 
time.
When I first added this placemarker, the automatically generated text included 
the specific time of the article I opened at that time, for example: “Estimated 
reading time: 6 minutes”.
To make the placemarker helpful for all articles, in addition to checking the 
box to apply this placemarker for all pages in the current domain, in the 
automatically generated text I removed everything after the colon.

You surely also keep this in mind when creating a placemarker, but I never 
needed to mark a place in which there is a link to make the placemarker to be 
reliable. The only case in which I had bad experiences was visiting a 
previously placemarked page but using a different web browser than the one used 
when I created the placemarkers. I suppose this is somewhat related to the 
Responsive Web Design about which Freedom Scientific posted on their blog at 
the end of 2017, but I had problems even on very standard HTMLs.

Hope it helps!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 5:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Yes, Fernando, and I usually check that box. To add to what you write here, 
when you check the "anchor to text" box, a new tab field appears with the text 
JAWS detects at that location. This is the edit field you refer to, but (as I'm 
sure you know) it isn't blank. You have a choice of keeping  that text or, as 
you suggest, typing in something different. However, I can't quite see why one 
would write something different. Regardless, this "anchor to text" option in 
the dialog can help in maintaining the placemarker but, in my experience, it is 
no guarantee. Even if the Website designer keeps the same text there, I've 
found that a text-associated placemarker isn't necessarily reliable unless it 
is also associated with a link. 

It sounds as though your experience might be different. I wonder, for example, 
if the Spanish version of JAWS doesn't fill in the edit field. 

I should mention that I haven't read anywhere about this link relationship. 
It's just something I noticed over time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 4:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Hi Adrian,

Have you looked at the Associate with Text checkbox? When adding a placemarker 
this checkbox is unchecked by default, so you mark a line in the virtual 
representation instead of a specific text, therefore any small change on the 
page causes the link or whatever unit you have marked to be misslocated.
If you know a string of text that the part you want to mark always have 
regardless of changes, you can check this checkbox, tab once and enter the 
corresponding part of text. By the way, you will always reach the same element 
as long as the string of text you have associated to the placemarker is 
present, no matter of the line number.

Hope it helps!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold their 
place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable when I put 
them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away from a logical 
spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with 
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Adrian Spratt 
Yes, Fernando, and I usually check that box. To add to what you write here, 
when you check the "anchor to text" box, a new tab field appears with the text 
JAWS detects at that location. This is the edit field you refer to, but (as I'm 
sure you know) it isn't blank. You have a choice of keeping  that text or, as 
you suggest, typing in something different. However, I can't quite see why one 
would write something different. Regardless, this "anchor to text" option in 
the dialog can help in maintaining the placemarker but, in my experience, it is 
no guarantee. Even if the Website designer keeps the same text there, I've 
found that a text-associated placemarker isn't necessarily reliable unless it 
is also associated with a link. 

It sounds as though your experience might be different. I wonder, for example, 
if the Spanish version of JAWS doesn't fill in the edit field. 

I should mention that I haven't read anywhere about this link relationship. 
It's just something I noticed over time.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 4:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Hi Adrian,

Have you looked at the Associate with Text checkbox? When adding a placemarker 
this checkbox is unchecked by default, so you mark a line in the virtual 
representation instead of a specific text, therefore any small change on the 
page causes the link or whatever unit you have marked to be misslocated.
If you know a string of text that the part you want to mark always have 
regardless of changes, you can check this checkbox, tab once and enter the 
corresponding part of text. By the way, you will always reach the same element 
as long as the string of text you have associated to the placemarker is 
present, no matter of the line number.

Hope it helps!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of 
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold their 
place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable when I put 
them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away from a logical 
spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with 
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Fernando Gregoire 
Hi Adrian,

Have you looked at the Associate with Text checkbox? When adding a placemarker 
this checkbox is unchecked by default, so you mark a line in the virtual 
representation instead of a specific text, therefore any small change on the 
page causes the link or whatever unit you have marked to be misslocated.
If you know a string of text that the part you want to mark always have 
regardless of changes, you can check this checkbox, tab once and enter the 
corresponding part of text. By the way, you will always reach the same element 
as long as the string of text you have associated to the placemarker is 
present, no matter of the line number.

Hope it helps!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold their 
place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable when I put 
them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away from a logical 
spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with 
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread David Ferrin 

My Klingon is a little rusty I must admit.

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From: Rick Justice 
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:17 AM 
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers 


Is this another language?

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To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers


Didn't tgubj if tgatm  
Thanms,

Justin

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Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold
their place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable
when I put them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away
from a logical spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread arvind singh brar 
Thanks i learnt something new then;smiley

So control plus shift plus k is for the permanent marker, thanks again
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>> Didn't tgubj if tgatm
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>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers
>> 
>> Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always 
>> hold their place, which is true. However, I've found that they are 
>> dependable when I put them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a 
>> line or two away from a logical spot, but I think they've been stable every 
>> time I do this.
>> As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with 
>> control-shift-k. Tab from there.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Adrian Spratt 
It's a right hand shifted one line left of its normal position.

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Is this another language?

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To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers


Didn't tgubj if tgatm  
Thanms,
 Justin

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold
their place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable
when I put them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away
from a logical spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Rick Justice 
Is this another language?

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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers


Didn't tgubj if tgatm  
Thanms,
 Justin

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Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold
their place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable
when I put them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away
from a logical spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Adrian Spratt 
That's for temporary placemarkers.

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Isn't it control plus windows plus k?

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> wrote:
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> Didn't tgubj if tgatm
> Thanms,
> Justin
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> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:31 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers
> 
> Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always 
> hold their place, which is true. However, I've found that they are 
> dependable when I put them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a 
> line or two away from a logical spot, but I think they've been stable every 
> time I do this.
> As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with 
> control-shift-k. Tab from there.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread arvind singh brar 
Isn't it control plus windows plus k?

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> Didn't tgubj if tgatm  
> Thanms,
> Justin
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> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers
> 
> Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold
> their place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable
> when I put them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away
> from a logical spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
> As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

2018-04-21 Thread Justin Williams 
Didn't tgubj if tgatm  
Thanms,
 Justin

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Permanent placemarkers

Earlier this week, Justin commented that placemarkers don't always hold
their place, which is true. However, I've found that they are dependable
when I put them on a link. Sometimes it means putting it a line or two away
from a logical spot, but I think they've been stable every time I do this.
As a reminder, the dialog to set a permanent placemarker is begun with
control-shift-k. Tab from there.
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