[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Is new jBPM book related to upcoming jBPM 4.3?

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
No-one in the core team has had a knowledge of this book. And since Mauricio 
(the author, 'salaboy' in the forum) has been working to write a  jBPM3 
compatible layer on top of drools and we never had him ask any questions on 
jBPM4, it most likely is just about jBPM 3

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: deploy() takes an awefully LONG time

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
I do not get it either. jBPM retrieves all processdefinitions with the same 
name (how many can that be, just several I think) and loops over that. 

I again urge you to log additional things, you might e.g. have a problem with a 
reverse dns lookup why things take long... 

So I would not file a bug for this since it most likely will be marked invalid.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Unable to retrive the process instance

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
Processdefinition ID != name afaik.


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: deploy() takes an awefully LONG time

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
ajaygautam wrote : saraswati.santanu wrote : Ajay,
  |   |I did not get the first part of your question
  |   | 
  |   | anonymous wrote : shouldn't the query actually be performed at the 
database level !?!?
  |   | 
  |   |   The query will be performed at the db only.  
  |   | 
  |   | Do you mean a db procedure kind of thing? That will have other 
significant disadvantages. So that query there looks fine.
  |   | 
  |   | 
  |   | 
  | 
  | Well... what I meant was that instead of querying for everything, loading 
everything, then performing a find in java code, shouldn't jBPM be creating a 
query criteria with the call that goes to the database? I mean, whats the point 
of loading everything in memory, and searching through it... databases are 
designed for tasks like these...
  | 
  | 

It doesn't

ListProcessDefinition existingProcesses = 
repositorySession.createProcessDefinitionQuery()
  | .processDefinitionName(processDefinitionName)
  | .list();
  | 

only retrieves those processdefinitions with the same name.In most production 
environments that will only be a few


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: How does jBPM loggin work?

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
According to http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/v4/devguide/html_single/#d0e2609 

anonymous wrote : PVM can use JDK logging (java.util.logging) or log4j. When 
the first message is logged, PVM logging will make the selection with following 
procedure:
  | 
  |1. If a logging.properties resource is found on the classpath (using the 
context classloader), then JDK logging will be used and that file will be used 
to initialize the JDK logging.
  |2. If log4j is found on the classpath, then log4j will be used. The 
check for log4j will be done by checking availability of class 
org.apache.log4j.LogManager with the context classloader.
  |3. If none of the above, JDK logging will be used.

The check is *not* done based on log4j.properties but on the presence of  
org.apache.log4j.LogManager. Keep in mind that this should be in the context 
classloader path and that in this same path, *no* logging.properties should be 
present.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: TaskQuery w/ ProcessInstanceId possible?

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
anonymous wrote : We never really solved this. As best I can tell, trying to 
get tasks for an execution or track what is going on by execution kind of goes 
against the paradigm of jbpm. I

No specifically. Regarding the tasklists. there just  have not been many 
requests for this (only you two) and noone filed a jira issue for it as an 
enhancement and tried to gather votes for it.

Regarding the tracking, this is (afaik, since I do not use it) an option in the 
console. And there is a jira issue for adding additional events in the db.  So 
if that is important to you, vote for it .

anonymous wrote : Instead, we created assignment handlers etc. that assigned 
the tasks at the time they are created, then created methods like 
getTaskByAssignee or getUnassignedTasks, etc to get hold of the tasks.
  | 

getTaskByAssignee within the context of a processinstance? Since the global one 
is there.

anonymous wrote : Even figuring out which execution is the one you want seems 
somewhat random, so we created this method: 

This one I do not get... what is the added value of this...

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: How does jBPM loggin work?

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
uh maven is a build management tool Tomcat is a servlet engine... I 
do not understand your question Or at least not the relation to your 
'problem'... 



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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Process Step Exception

2009-12-11 Thread kukeltje
anonymous wrote : I think that JBoss documentation on how to use jbpm from Web 
and enterprise applications really lacks details and a good tutorial. 

Partly yes, partly no. The issues are no different than with any other ready to 
use war/ear vs repackaging.

If you find the time, you might write a blog about it or a wiki page (within 
jbpm) so it get's written down somewhere. Heck you might even contribute a 
paragraph to the normal docs. We'd really appreciate that ;-)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: deploy() takes an awefully LONG time

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
jBPM afaik has the xsd's in a local resolver so should not need to go to the 
internet. But it could be that (since the xsd changed in 4.2) this was 
overlooked. 

Regarding the logging Well, I (ofcourse ;-)) meant logging of what happens 
DURING the deploy.  So if it turns out not to be a internet access thing, turn 
on logging of lots of other libraries. And before you say 'which?' I'd go for 
'all' OR maybe run JBoss in debugging mode and  put a breakpoint on the deploy 
and go from there.



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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Does jBPM 4 Require JBoss 5?

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
jBPM 4 core libraries run on JBoss 4.3. Not sure about the webconsole. Not 
saying it doesn't, but also not that it does. Just don't know.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Advice regarding complex proccess modeling

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
no, not a similar api. You have to do it low level

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Bug in process designer eclipse

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
please file a jira issue for this on the GPD project

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: spring bean as assignment handler

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
There are lots of places where expressions cannot be used. An issue for this is 
in the jira. Please try to locate it and add this to it.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Process definition

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
XML is parsed with an XML parser... Those are in the JDK so I have no clue what 
you mean...

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM 4.2 Sub-Processs Not able to access Variables

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
Please read the documentation  
http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/v4/userguide/html_single/#subprocess. It's all in 
there...

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM 4 dynamic timer duedate

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
Please search the jira... there is an issue for it.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: using jBPM 4.2 (Hibernate) with JPA on the same database

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
afaik, if you configure hibernate to use the JTA transaction, it should join 
it. That is how it normally should be done

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: deploy() takes an awefully LONG time

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
Is there any reason you cannot configure log4j (or jdk logging) to log in more 
detail? Works fine here (and I'm serious, not joking or trying to make fun of 
you or anything)

Now (besides the internet access) It's like saying:  Hey, look at that car 
driving by, it is going slow. Can you tell me what is wrong with it? :-)

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[jboss-user] [JCA] - Re: Example File System RA

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
The reason I thought I needed a jboss-service.xml file is because I got the 
impression that it is needed to have pooling.  In the jboss books example rar 
for a non-tx fs jca implementation it is there for this reason. 

My rar (if I'm allowed to use it) is new (jca 1.5 compliant). The rar itself 
deploys, no problem. Not sure how a ds should look like if I have no 
service.xml file but do want to have pooling...

But I'll try to find out more... thanks for the response and help so far.
 

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[jboss-user] [JCA] - Re: RAR classloading inversion

2009-12-10 Thread kukeltje
Ok this helps... I did know about the transformations of -ds.xml to 
-service.xml but still was under the impression a basic -service.xml, 
overridden (where needed) with the generated one. 

The docs you refer to (and later versions) are what I used. Read them from 
front to back and reverse, top-left to bottom right and reverse. These are also 
the docs that mention XATxConnectionManager class, so that is why I still 
thought it was needed. That confuses a lot, getting refered (not specifically 
by you, more in general) to use these docs but if the info in it is 'obsolete' 
(there is a JBoss 5 doc which also still has this chapter)

I'll certainly go for the JBoss 5 only solution, but trying the 
TXConnectionManager first is my quickest win. 

Thanks again, I'll make sure to blog about this if I get it to work (and I do 
not see a reason why I wouldn't)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: deploy() takes an awefully LONG time

2009-12-09 Thread kukeltje
Uhh I assume you have WAY more logging if so please post here. If not, 
it is very, very hard for us to help.

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[jboss-user] [JCA] - Re: RAR classloading inversion

2009-12-09 Thread kukeltje
Env:
- JBoss AS 5.1.0.GA
- JDK 1.6.0_12 
- Windows XP

I'm trying to create a rar for the filesystem jca example that I pointed to in 
my other post  The rar gets deployed, but when I try to create a corresponding 
-service.xml file, I get classloading errors. 

The error I get is :

Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: 
org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.XATxConnectionManager

The logging (on level trace for the classloader) when deploying the 
fs-service.xml file, the fs-service.xml file itself are given below. 

It does not make a difference if I deploy this either in 'deploy' or in e.g. 
'deploy/fs'.

My fs-service.xml file


  | server
  | mbean code=org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.XATxConnectionManager
  | name=jboss.jca:service=XATxCM,name=filesystem
  | dependsjboss.jca:service=RARDeployer/depends
  | depends optional-attribute-name=ManagedConnectionFactoryName
  | mbean 
code=org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.RARDeployment
  | name=jboss.jca:service=XATxFS,name=filesystem
  | depends 
optional-attribute-name=OldRarDeployment
  | 
jboss.jca:service=RARDeployment,name=jca-filesystem-1.0.0-SNAPSHOT.rar
  | /depends
  | attribute 
name=ManagedConnectionFactoryProperties
  | properties
  | config-property
  | 
config-property-namepath/config-property-name
  | 
config-property-typejava.lang.String/config-property-type
  | 
config-property-value/tmp/as/fs_store/config-property-value
  | /config-property
  | /properties
  | /attribute
  | attribute 
name=ManagedConnectionFactoryClassorg.ewe.jca.fs.impl.FsManagedConnectionFactory/attribute
  | !--attribute 
name=JndiNameTransFS/attribute--
  | /mbean
  | /depends
  | depends optional-attribute-name=ManagedConnectionPool
  | mbean
  | 
code=org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.JBossManagedConnectionPool
  | 
name=jboss.jca:service=ManagedConnectionPool,name=filesystem
  | attribute 
name=ManagedConnectionFactoryNamejboss.jca:service=XATxFS,name=filesystem/attribute
  | attribute name=MinSize0/attribute
  | attribute name=MaxSize50/attribute
  | attribute 
name=BlockingTimeoutMillis5000/attribute
  | attribute 
name=IdleTimeoutMinutes15/attribute
  | attribute 
name=CriteriaByContainer/attribute
  | /mbean
  | /depends
  | depends 
optional-attribute-name=CachedConnectionManagerjboss.jca:service=CachedConnectionManager/depends
  | depends 
optional-attribute-name=JaasSecurityManagerServicejboss.security:service=JaasSecurityManager/depends
  | /server
  | 

Logging on trace level (stacktraces shortend for readbility, do not show any 
(believe me) usable information)


  | 2009-12-09 14:29:54,422 DEBUG 
[org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.JBossManagedConnectionPool] (HDScanner) 
Creating jboss.jca:service=ManagedConnectionPool,name=filesystem
  | 2009-12-09 14:29:54,422 DEBUG 
[org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.JBossManagedConnectionPool] (HDScanner) 
Created jboss.jca:service=ManagedConnectionPool,name=filesystem
  | 2009-12-09 14:29:54,422 DEBUG 
[org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.JBossManagedConnectionPool] (HDScanner) 
Starting jboss.jca:service=ManagedConnectionPool,name=filesystem
  | 2009-12-09 14:29:54,422 DEBUG 
[org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.JBossManagedConnectionPool] (HDScanner) 
Started jboss.jca:service=ManagedConnectionPool,name=filesystem
  | 2009-12-09 14:29:54,422 TRACE [org.jboss.classloader.spi.ClassLoaderDomain] 
(HDScanner) classloaderdom...@9b1670{defaultdomain} 
org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.XATxConnectionManager matches parent 
beforeFilter=EVERYTHING
  | 2009-12-09 14:29:54,422 TRACE [org.jboss.classloader.spi.ClassLoaderDomain] 
(HDScanner) classloaderdom...@9b1670{defaultdomain} load class from parent 
org.jboss.resource.connectionmanager.XATxConnectionManager 
parent=org.jboss.bootstrap.noannotationurlclassloa...@e5855a
  | 2009-12-09 14:29:54,422 TRACE 
[org.jboss.classloader.spi.base.BaseClassLoaderDomain] (HDScanner) 
classloaderdom...@9b1670{defaultdomain} findLoader 
org/jboss/resource/connectionmanager/XATxConnectionManager.class 

[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Docs recommend ProcessEngine in JNDI But fails with Thre

2009-12-09 Thread kukeltje
Then please makea jira issue for it. (DEFAULT_JNDI;-))

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[jboss-user] [JCA] - Re: RAR classloading inversion

2009-12-09 Thread kukeltje
Yes, I noticed the relation ;-)  In the debug/trace logging, you can see it is 
found, at least that was my interpretation, in combination with things like 
'blacklisted' etc... but that could be 'matching generic filters e.g. 
org.jboss.* ;-(

I read many posts about this subject, but the one you refer to was not one of 
them, thanks. 

And I did notice of the JBoss JCA example on the internet was for 4.2 but I saw 
it in some 5.0 docs as well. It might be that it is indeed just not there 
(anymore). I'll try to find out, thanks. (LocalTx, NoTx also do not work). 
Makes me wonder though what the alternative is. Tx? I do want to use 'pooling' 
in my RAR.

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[jboss-user] [JCA] - Re: Example File System RA

2009-12-08 Thread kukeltje
I've read the documentation Vicky pointed out and also came across 
http://wernli.nine.ch/web/guest/52
The latter is transactional, but misses a jboss-service.xm file (if it is 
needed, no idea yet). The former is not transactional. So I was wondering if 
someone could give me a quick hint on whether the JBoss example still runs 
(maybe slightly adapted) on JBoss AS 5.x (the example is seems to be deleted 
from the 5 docs in svn) or do I need to start from scratch or ... 

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Console: host not found error

2009-12-06 Thread kukeltje
it is a console config issue. Please search the forum and the jira.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: [jBPM4.2] Installation problems

2009-12-06 Thread kukeltje
nope,it works for me. best is to analyze your jboss as startup scripts. does it 
start when not installing jBPM in it?

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Problem to run jBPM under jBoss and searching for PVM do

2009-12-04 Thread kukeltje
Try adding the mysql driver jar manually to the classpath. This is missing in 
4.2 (and there is a jira issue for it)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Support needed to install and use jBPM

2009-12-04 Thread kukeltje
-Silver-

Posts like this won't get you much help. Saying that the manual (that everybody 
uses) does not work for you without giving information about the errors is not 
enough.

I'm also sorry you have been working on this for two weeks. 

See my response in the other post

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Problem to run jBPM under jBoss and searching for PVM do

2009-12-04 Thread kukeltje
Oh, and about 2:

It's not an Artificial Neural Network, it's based on superposition and 
entanglement and touches on EPR

But on a more serious note, it is an advanced statemachine for process graphs.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Roadmap of JBPM after 3.2

2009-12-04 Thread kukeltje
Hmmm even I learned something. I only knew Bonita (XPDL) as implemented on the 
PVM...

Cool to know

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Entity variable

2009-12-04 Thread kukeltje
It can be saved by jBPM if it is serializable. Other options will be worked out 
in future releases of jBPM.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 4.2 architecture questions

2009-12-03 Thread kukeltje
No jBPM caches, and 2nd level cache can be used e.g. in a clustered way if you 
want. By default second level cache is only used for processdefinitions afaik 
in a read-only way

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Problem to run jBPM under jBoss and searching for PVM do

2009-12-03 Thread kukeltje
1: Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: 
C:\jboss-5.1.0.GA\server\jbpm\conf\bootstrap.xml

Please try a clean JBoss AS server instance first before adding jBPM to it. 
Such an error has nothing to do with jBPM

2: What is detailed? Have you checked here: http://www.jboss.org/jbossjbpm/pvm/ 
And jBPM-JPDL itself is a great example of how to use the pvm


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Roadmap of JBPM after 3.2

2009-12-03 Thread kukeltje
Do you want to run BPEL or JPDL? jBPM4 has no BPEL. Use riftsaw for that. 

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM User Task - Forms

2009-12-03 Thread kukeltje
using .ftl files is not something jBPM does but the console. So check the 
sourcecode of the console how it is done there

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM 4.1 or 4.2 on Weblogic 9.2 - Extra jars + unable t

2009-12-02 Thread kukeltje
would be nice if you could add a 'weblogic 9.2 profile' to the pom where these 
are excluded. We might be able to include that in jBPM (just with 'community' 
support though)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Variable missing in assignment handler

2009-12-02 Thread kukeltje
Well, most likely not everybody (we've not had many requests for this) wants 
ALL variables copied automatically. So it is the way it is because it just is. 
Don't think that there is a specific reason for it. Other than that maybe many 
users use a domain model and have all info in there and just pass on an id to 
that domain model


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 4.2 architecture questions

2009-12-02 Thread kukeltje
1: yes, either with its own or shared transaction  2: like you would in any 
other distributed app. e.g. using rmi and sharing a transaction   3: yes but it 
does not rely on e.g. jboss clustering. jBPM uses a shared database

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 4.2 architecture questions

2009-12-02 Thread kukeltje
wow... almost an inflight collision :-)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Variables keep old values

2009-12-01 Thread kukeltje
please make a full unittest that demonstrates the problem. 

And do you close the context? You should... according to the docs

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: [JBPM 4.1] Best practice to restart a task after shutdow

2009-12-01 Thread kukeltje
If jBPM runs in the same transaction as the calling method (the one that 
signals in the first case) that will be rolled back as well. So 'transaction 
management' is fully supported. 

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: How signal as a state to a task?

2009-12-01 Thread kukeltje
I think the reason no-one responded is because your post is vague. The 'notify' 
you refer to is nowhere to be found, you probably want the timer to take a 
transition but the transition to take is nowhere to be found etc... So I 
suggest looking at jBPM testcase (in the source) or the examples and look how 
things are done there. Then if you have more information, please get back to us.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Character set for mail templates?

2009-12-01 Thread kukeltje
what is the character setting of the html mail when it arrives?

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Variables keep old values

2009-12-01 Thread kukeltje
3 should change them as well, but you have to close the context AND NOT set 
them as local variables

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: [JBPM 4.1] Best practice to restart a task after shutdow

2009-12-01 Thread kukeltje
Cool, great it works.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Character set for mail templates?

2009-11-30 Thread kukeltje
I suggest to first make sure you set the right charset in your AS

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: [JBPM 4.1] Best practice to restart a task after shutdow

2009-11-30 Thread kukeltje
tasks are never started automatically but always manual. If a task was in 
progress when the server was shut down, the transaction should be rolled back 
and the task should be available in the tasklist again.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jbpm4 task can be by many actor in the same task compone

2009-11-28 Thread kukeltje
http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/pvm/article/

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Unable to complete task

2009-11-27 Thread kukeltje
Well, maybe the bug report in jira is wrong and the notification is the 
problem, not the async on the start. In that case you have the same issue (I 
think)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jbpm4 task can be by many actor in the same task compone

2009-11-27 Thread kukeltje
? what do you mean?


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Unable to complete task

2009-11-27 Thread kukeltje
yes IF you can demonstrate that the issue in the bug report is not related to 
the async start but also happens when the start is not async, so the 
notification is the 'issue'

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: How to signal subprocess?

2009-11-27 Thread kukeltje
@cmjhingeniero

What is the relation of your post  with this topic?

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: List task comments with Activity name

2009-11-26 Thread kukeltje
I agree, but unfortunately I can only try to influence the core devs since I do 
not have the time to do this myself. Gathering as many  votes as possible is 
the best to do (or getting paid support and escalate). I'll see what I can do

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jbpm4 task can be by many actor in the same task compone

2009-11-26 Thread kukeltje
yes,  see  6.2.6.2 in the documentation

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jbpm4 task can be by many actor in the same task compone

2009-11-26 Thread kukeltje
yes,  see  6.2.6.2 in the documentation

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: List task comments with Activity name

2009-11-26 Thread kukeltje
Also vote for the individual issues if you think it is applicable.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jbpm4 task can be by many actor in the same task compone

2009-11-26 Thread kukeltje
oh, and if you want multiple users (e.g. all members of the group) to have 
their own task:

http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/ForEachForkActionHandler 

It 'just' needs to be ported to 4.0

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Groovy language in Script activity

2009-11-25 Thread kukeltje
Could be... I'll have a look in the source tonight to check

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM 4.2 - Manage JBPM users - recommended way? How to u

2009-11-25 Thread kukeltje
well, according to you reply (sorry that I missed the you making a deliberate 
typo), it seems your config is picked up. Where did you put your identity 
class? In the sar? In the lib dir? It should be either, since code from a sar 
cannot look into another war/ear/sar and it will not load from a process 
archive either. 

A solutiuon would be not to use the sar but package jBPM inside your war/ear

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM 4.2 - Manage JBPM users - recommended way? How to u

2009-11-25 Thread kukeltje
Yep just the libs (see 
http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/v4/devguide/html_single/#d0e62) and maybe some other 
libs that are not present on the classpath already

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: IdentityService

2009-11-25 Thread kukeltje
do you have a *small* unittest?

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: List task comments with Activity name

2009-11-25 Thread kukeltje
please look in the jira. There is a history issue. vote for it and refer to 
this post

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Process is not restored after restart?

2009-11-24 Thread kukeltje
paragraph 1.5, PERSISTENT mode, paragraph 2.3 hsqldb and that is only in the 
first few paragraphs. So you see it is the DEFAULT to work this way. Therefore 
my question if anything was in the db. Maybe your hibernate config has 
create-drop in it

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: how to create jbpm project in jbpm 4.2

2009-11-24 Thread kukeltje
Correct, it did not do much besides setting a library and was overkill. 
Hopefully it will be changed into a facet some time in the future

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 4.X: task-local variables

2009-11-24 Thread kukeltje
1: Don't think so, but maybe it lives in someones mind. 
2: No simple workaround afaik. But even with task local variables you have the 
concurrent access problem only on a different level. Once they finished, the 
LAST to finish wins which might not always be what you want. The only real 
advantage (imo) was that you could temporarily save a task while working on it 
and continue later with the same values. The concurrency problem described 
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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Groovy language in Script activity

2009-11-24 Thread kukeltje
it needs to be compliant with JSR 223

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM 4.2 - Manage JBPM users - recommended way? How to u

2009-11-24 Thread kukeltje
You say you have you configured your identity service in the jbpm 
configuration. The class needs to be available on java the classpath somewhere, 
whether in an ear, a war or in a lib folder.

Could also be that the specific config us not picked up contrary to what you 
expect. By making a big 'typo' in it, you can see if it is or not.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Process is not restored after restart?

2009-11-23 Thread kukeltje
all docs about jBPM assume this behaviour, so it is very hard for us to point 
to something specific other than the normal docs.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: How to use timers?

2009-11-23 Thread kukeltje
more detailed response later this evening but for now:

anonymous wrote : First of all: is there any documentation on it? The jBPM 3 
user guide explains something like NOTHING on this subject...
  | 

http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/v3.2/userguide/html_single/#tasktimers
http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/v3.2/userguide/html_single/#scheduler
http://docs.jboss.com/jbpm/v3.2/userguide/html_single/#timer.element
http://fisheye.jboss.org/changelog/JbpmSvn/jbpm3/trunk/modules/core/src/test/java/org/jbpm/scheduler/exe?todate=1248416261336

etc (including several posts in the forum)... so saying there is no 
documentation is plain wrong ;-).


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: [jBPM 4.2] JndiDescriptor and JndiBinding

2009-11-23 Thread kukeltje
Most likely one of the reasons why you did not get an answer is the kind of 
triviality of the question AND the fact that they are not part of the 'public 
api' and therefor it is not advised to use them.

Short answer (from the API docs on the classes)

  |  /** parses a descriptor for looking up an object from 
  |  * JNDI through the InitialContext.
  |  */
  | 

A little closer look on the package name shows it is a pvm class, and with some 
reading you can see that these kinds of classes are used to parse 
processdefinitions. 

So it most likely is used to have attributes on a certain node implementation 
to call e.g. a ejb method on an ejb instead of on a pojo.


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: How does one create new instance with process variables

2009-11-23 Thread kukeltje
questions about the rest interface are better asked in the bpm console forum:

http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewforumf=295

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: How to use timers?

2009-11-23 Thread kukeltje
First of all, let me point you to 
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#volume

Personally, when I started reading your post and encounter very basic questions 
with statements that are plain wrong (see further on, and my previous post) in 
combination with LOTS of data (will not call it information), I really hesitate 
to respond, but since I'm in a really good mood


anonymous wrote : The first problem I encounter is a service 'scheduler' 
unavailable error. Searching on the net I found some hints like start the 
scheduler or change the configuration in src/main/config/jbpm.cfg.xml. 

Isn't the internet great

anonymous wrote : But nobody explains WHAT is the scheduler, 

Are you serious? You did not ever get the impression that it is used to execute 
timers? Strange since you have a problem with timers and a message that the 
scheduler is unavailable and you started searching in this direction. Oh, and 
it is in the first chapter of the user docs: 
http://docs.jboss.org/jbpm/v3/userguide/introduction.html#d0e130

anonymous wrote : how to start it, etc.. 

Besides in the docs: 
http://docs.jboss.org/jbpm/v3/userguide/deployment.html#webapplication

Very little searching yielded 
http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopict=80078postdays=0postorder=ascstart=10

and many more links

anonymous wrote : However, after some trials and debugging sessions I found 
that the solution to this problem is another one: you need to create a 
JbpmContext by yourself: 

This is also very basic jBPM stuff and in almost all examples, getting started. 
So I it sounds strange to me that you only found this out through debugging.

anonymous wrote : However, as I'm working with no database at all, I wouldn't 
expect that.

You yourself might not be, but does it come as a surprise that jBPM might need 
one? jBPM is a statemachine, mainly for workflow, so long running processes. 
Most people would like that state to be persistent to survive a crash or 
restart. Most systems use a database for this (as does jBPM). 

I hope this already helps you as I did not look into your two specific cases.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: [jBPM 4.2] ProcessInstance

2009-11-23 Thread kukeltje
Best is to get it from the api (including the query api) and not use the 
database directly. What is the issue you have?

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Setting the user id for a comment

2009-11-23 Thread kukeltje
it's missing in the public api. see the jira. there is an issue for this.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: what enterprise integration in jbpm use for?

2009-11-22 Thread kukeltje
running jbpm with ejb3 timers and a jms queue for async nodes instead of the 
custom implementation. The rest is the same.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Process is not restored after restart?

2009-11-22 Thread kukeltje
yes, that is normal jbpm behaviour.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Feture Request: Task subjects

2009-11-21 Thread kukeltje
Sebastian is correct.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Incorrect Incoming Transition evaluation on Join Node

2009-11-21 Thread kukeltje
Since you have a transition from task3 to the join, it is in the incoming 
transitions and the join expects an incomming token/execution. It cannot easily 
decide there will not be a token comming from task3. 

Two things come to mind:
- implement your own join node
- use the n-out-of-m configuration (multiplicity attribute, see docs)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jbpm 4.2 - Subprocess issue

2009-11-21 Thread kukeltje
please make a unittest for it and add it to the issue. All jbpm tests still 
run, so maybe you do something that is either not tested or by accident worked 
in 4.1.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: The most simple jBPM jbpm.cfg.xml configuration file

2009-11-21 Thread kukeltje
There is a 'default' cfg in jbpm that is 'minimal´ If you want less, you have 
to describe in detail what functionality of jBPM you do not want to use (there 
is not much difference in using jBPM in a webapp or standalone app)

Regarding the database, that is totally up to you to decide. 

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Feture Request: Task subjects

2009-11-20 Thread kukeltje
(almost) every node should get a description in the jPDL. This is kind of the 
same as a subject. Please look in the jira for this. I think there already is 
an issue for it.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Feture Request: Task subjects

2009-11-20 Thread kukeltje
Parsing attributes runtime (So EL is possible) is also another issue in the 
jira. Combined they will provide what you need. But patches for these issues 
are always welcome ;-)


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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Process is not restored after restart?

2009-11-20 Thread kukeltje
Yes... but is it IN your database

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Jbpm 4 supports Oracle 11g release 2

2009-11-18 Thread kukeltje
it has been a long time ago, but since this same question has been answered a 
very short time ago: stf (deliberately forgetting the second f or rather the 
first one)

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Jbpm 4 supports Oracle 11g release 2

2009-11-18 Thread kukeltje
questions about hibernate dialects belong  in the hibernate forum. The other 
question was identical to your topic

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 3.2.6.SP1 enterprise environments question

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
yes, an interceptor is an option. you could also wrap it in an annotation. I've 
done this and now I think of it I'll write a short blog about it later this 
week.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Jbpm 4.2 how to enable variable history

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
xalperte wrote : Hi Ronald,
  | 
  | The historic functionality is important but not basic to run the system in 
production.
  | 
  | The real problem, and I consider very serious, is that we're losing all the 
data associated with the instance when it reaches the end state. 
  | 
  | Thanks.

That is what the histyory tables are for. Having all (relevant) data available 
after a process instance ends. 

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: [jBPM 4.2] MySQLIntegrityConstraintViolationException en

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
if you take a look at the sticky post in this topic (also read the second post 
about the unittest), you'll see a description on how to post possible issues. 
The unit test (although not explicitly mentioned in Tom's post *is* important 
for us to easily try to reproduce

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 4.2 GWT Console Login

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
and you thanks for reporting back. That way topics are really useful to others

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: JBPM 4.2 - Manage JBPM users - recommended way? How to u

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
Try searching for 'identity service' and things like 
'custom'. Creating your own identity service is the best way to approach this. 
No need to replicate data then.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: candidate-groups

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
I agree that the task should show up only once. I think you ran into a 
non-tested issue here. Please file a jira issue for this and preferably add a 
unit test to it.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 3.2.6.SP1 enterprise environments question

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
To complicated? No, it's very easy... I'll try writing my blog entry nonight.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: facing issues while assigning parallel task in jbpm usin

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
PLEASE read http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopict=158610

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jBPM 3.2.6.SP1 enterprise environments question

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
Ahhh. ok, I misunderstood you. Well, my blog entry is online

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: jbpm.wire.bindings.xml

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
I wish I could inject them through jsr-299 / 303.

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Variable modification restriction + form generation

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
Sorry...

Personal remark:

I'm more in favour of using 

  | variable read=true write=false required=true name=var1 /
  | 
instead of
 
  | variable access=read,required name=var1/
  | 
and all should support EL for the value, not just static booleans

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: candidate-groups

2009-11-16 Thread kukeltje
Good job with the testcase. Just wish more people would take that time. Thanks. 

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: how can i reuse jbpm-console on JBPM4.2

2009-11-14 Thread kukeltje
best way to start is to have a look at the code of the console and see kow it 
uses the jbpm api

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[jboss-user] [jBPM Users] - Re: Jbpm 4 setup on existing JBOSS server

2009-11-14 Thread kukeltje
why use 4.0.1 CR1? it does not even exist. so I'd start with 4.2

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