[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: JBoss Messaging Newbie Needs Help

2009-12-09 Thread timfox
Have you considered using HornetQ - HornetQ supersedes JBoss Messaging.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Durable subscriptions management via JMX console

2009-12-09 Thread timfox
jeffleboss wrote : 
  | I have the same requirement.
  | 
  | The problem is that I cannot upgrade to HornetQ, since we are using JBoss 
5.1.0.
  | 

HornetQ works with both JBoss 4 and JBoss 5 (see quickstart guide)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Durable subscriptions management via JMX console

2009-12-04 Thread timfox
HornetQ does support it

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: TTL on Message Producer Not Honored

2009-12-03 Thread timfox
Firstly, I can't tell what messaging system you're using (could be JBoss MQ or 
JBoss Messaging), but just because a message is still in a queue after TTL does 
not mean TTL is not honoured.

The JMS spec just says that messages should not be delivered after TTL is 
exceeded. It does not require messages to be actively removed from queues 
before delivery.

If you tried to consume that message, you'd find it would get expired at the 
point of delivery and you wouldn't receive it, thus honouring TTL.

Some more advanced messaging systems, like HornetQ http://hornetq.org do have 
active expiry of messages in queue *before* delivery but JBoss Messaging / 
JBoss MQ do not.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: source for org.jboss.test.messaging.tools.container.Loca

2009-12-03 Thread timfox
svn

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Reconnect after a lost connection

2009-12-03 Thread timfox
This depends what messaging system you are talking about.

JBoss has 3: JBoss MQ, JBoss Messaging and HornetQ.

HornetQ certainly has auto reconnect functionality

IIRC JBoss Messaging and JBoss MQ do not.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: source for org.jboss.test.messaging.tools.container.Loca

2009-12-03 Thread timfox
You didn't look very hard

All the tags are here:

http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/messaging/tags/

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Perormance Testing with JBoss MQ

2009-11-30 Thread timfox
You're in the wrong forum.

JBoss MQ is a completely different messaging system to JBoss Messaging.

You should post in the JBoss MQ user forum instead.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: JMS with JBOSS AS versus JBOSS messaging

2009-11-24 Thread timfox
If you go to the JBoss Messaging home page (go to jboss.org and follow the 
links), that will explain what JBoss Messaging is.

JBoss MQ is the system that came before JBoss Messaging and is in JBoss AS 4.2.3

You'll find that JBoss Messaging, as a project is superseded by HornetQ.

So we have 

JBoss MQ---JBoss Messaging---HornetQ

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: JMS with JBOSS AS versus JBOSS messaging

2009-11-24 Thread timfox
Also, there's an explanation in wikipedia

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Orderer redelivery of messages

2009-11-20 Thread timfox
If you're talking about HornetQ, you're in the wrong forum.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: how do i install JMS2 on solaris 10

2009-11-07 Thread timfox
You're in the wrong forum, this forum is for JBoss Messaging, not HornetQ.

Go to hornetq.org and follow the links to forums, documentation etc

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Is there a max. Message Queue size?

2009-11-06 Thread timfox
JBoss MQ forum is here.

http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewforumf=48

Not sure what you mean by it's closed - can't you post messages?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Is there a max. Message Queue size?

2009-11-06 Thread timfox
asander wrote : Thank you for the link.
  | 
  | I can post messages there but it is a subforum of closed and obviously 
not in use anymore. It seems the forum is not read anymore by anyone.

That's a shame, but I don't think it will help you to post here, since no-one 
here knows much about JBoss MQ.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Websphere MQ 7.0 - jBoss 4.2.3 Clustering

2009-11-02 Thread timfox
You're asking in the wrong forum.

This forum is about JBoss Messaging, if you want to know how to configure a 
different JMS provider in JBoss AS, the correct place to ask is the JCA users 
forums.

Also look in the wiki

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: jBoss 4.2.3GA and Websphere MQ 7.0

2009-11-02 Thread timfox
This forum is about JBoss Messaging. The correct place to ask questions about 
other JMS providers is in the JCA user forum.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Connection pool for ClusteredConnectionFactory, how to ?

2009-10-26 Thread timfox
If you're using a stateless session bean that means you're running on a server 
so you can just use JCA pooling.

There are various wiki pages on this.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Connection pool for ClusteredConnectionFactory, how to ?

2009-10-26 Thread timfox
This is actually mandated by the JEE spec.

Any JMS connections you create from a SLSB must be created (and pooled) by a 
JCA managed connection factory.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Connection pool for ClusteredConnectionFactory, how to ?

2009-10-26 Thread timfox
http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/ShouldIcacheJMSconnectionsandJMSsessions

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: jbossall-client.jar and the jar hell at remote JBM clien

2009-10-09 Thread timfox
jar hell has been a known issue for a long time in JBoss Messaging.

But all new dev is on HornetQ - which doesn't have these issues.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Nullpointer while creating a remote JMS Session

2009-10-06 Thread timfox
IIRC, the user manual chapter 4 explains exactly what jars you need on the 
classpath, and in what order.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: jbossall-client.jar and the jar hell at remote JBM clien

2009-10-01 Thread timfox
There exact jars you need on the client side is explained in detail in section 
4.4 of the user manual, and yes, it does also say in a yellow note box that 
they must appear in a different order:

http://labs.jboss.com/file-access/default/members/jbossmessaging/freezone/docs/userguide-1.4.5.GA/html/installation.html#inst.remoteclient

It's always worth looking in the documentation before asking a question like 
this.



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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: java.lang.RuntimeException: Error setting up server invo

2009-09-29 Thread timfox
Looks to me there is an extra . on the address: 


  | Caused by: java.net.UnknownHostException: 0.0.0.0.. 
  | 

Should be 0.0.0.0 not 0.0.0.0.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Unable to get the jca-config example to work

2009-09-28 Thread timfox
First, I'd recommend you use beta5.

Also moving this question to the hornetq forum

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: JMS connection/session handling

2009-09-17 Thread timfox
That is not correct.

It is an *anti pattern* to create a new session/consumer/producer each time you 
say, send a message.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: JMS connection/session handling

2009-09-17 Thread timfox
I'm going to wite a wiki page on this. This question must have come up about 
10 times and I'm getting tired of answering it ;)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: JMS connection/session handling

2009-09-17 Thread timfox
I've written a wiki article on this subject, on the HornetQ wiki:

http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/ShouldIcacheJMSconnectionsandJMSsessions

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Announcing the release of project HornetQ

2009-08-24 Thread timfox
This is an exciting day for messaging at JBoss and Red Hat.

After months of preparation, the middleware messaging team are excited to 
announce the birth of a new project HornetQ

What is HornetQ?

HornetQ http://hornetq.org is an open source project to build a multi-protocol, 
embeddable, high performance, clustered, asynchronous messaging system. HornetQ 
is an example of Message Oriented Middleware (MoM)

HornetQ is designed with usability, flexibility and performance in mind.

HornetQ has a great feature set that you'd expect from any serious messaging 
broker.

Read the full announcement on our new HornetQ team blog 
http://hornetq.blogspot.com

Project web site is here http://hornetq.org

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Rollback Problem in JBM 2.0.0 BETA4

2009-08-24 Thread timfox
This seems to be an issue in consumer window sizing.

You can workaround it for now by setting ConsumerWindowSize on the connection 
factory to a very large number (or zero).

I've opened on a JIRA on the HornetQ project http://hornetq.org

We should continue the discussion on the hornetq forum 
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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Re: Rollback Problem in JBM 2.0.0 BETA4

2009-08-24 Thread timfox
https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/HORNETQ-111

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging Users] - Please use the HornetQ user forums for JBoss Messaging 2.0 i

2009-08-24 Thread timfox
Hello All-

With the launch of our new HornetQ http://hornetq.org project, if you've been 
previously evaluating JBoss Messaging 2.0, could you please use the HornetQ 
user forum http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewforumf=312 for any 
issue from now on.

This forum will only be used for issues relating to JBoss Messaging 1.x

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM2 Beta5 with JBAS5.1 - Memory leak SessionContinuatio

2009-08-22 Thread timfox
Simon- you're absolutely right.

It's clear from looking at the code that it's highly inefficient to allocate a 
large buffer when perhaps as little as one byte is read from the stream.

I have refactored the code, so this is done more sensibly!

The fix will be in the next release (on Monday)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM2 Beta4 with JBAS5.1 - setListener( null )

2009-08-19 Thread timfox
Fixed in trunk https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBMESSAGING-1716

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Messaging and transactions together

2009-08-13 Thread timfox
If you want messaging and a database to work as part of the same JTA 
transaction in a servlet, you should use the JMS JCA adapter (java:/JmsXA) in 
the same way you might do it from an EJB.



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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: How to know message's send order?

2009-08-12 Thread timfox
A message's timestamp is set on the *client side* before it is sent, not by the 
server.

The order messages are put in a queue are the order they are received on the 
server.

So, there's no guarantee that messages in a queue will be in order of timestamp.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JMSServerControl.createQueue() fails when there are any

2009-08-06 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : 
  | You could set paging-max-global-size-bytes to something very close to your 
full memory. Say..if you have 1G memory. Put it 700MiB (700 * 1024 * 1024).
  | 

Actually, I would recommend keeping it at the default value of -1, and just 
specifying paging parameters at an address level.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM in an applet

2009-08-04 Thread timfox
AIUI You shouldn't need to sign any jars since JBM should require any extra 
permissions beyond those given to an applet.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JMSServerControl.createQueue() fails when there are any

2009-08-04 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : On the JMS example, the only bug I found 
was the second destination didn' t enter into page mode right away. What should 
be fixed. But that will mean the destination will enter into page mode right 
away, so it should fail at the first time.
  | 
  | In your case.. you have the server full. We can't route any more messages 
until DestinationA had messages being consumed and Acked.
  | 
  | 
  | So... what's happening is:
  | 
  | Client sends messages to destinationA.
  | At this point the server is Full.
  | 
  | Client sends messages to destinationB.
  | (At this point the server should still be full. DestinationB should page 
right away, and the consumer shouldn' t receive anything until messages from 
destinationA were received).
  | 

That's not the behaviour I would expect.

I would expect destinationB to be depaged too - since it's just going to be 
consumed anyway.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM in an applet

2009-08-04 Thread timfox
What browser are you using?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JMSServerControl.createQueue() fails when there are any

2009-08-04 Thread timfox
jmesnil wrote : clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : 
  |   | In your case.. you have the server full. We can't route any more 
messages until DestinationA had messages being consumed and Acked.
  |   | 
  | 
  | I'm not sure I understand it. Why would I been able to consume from 
destinationA but not from destinationB?
  | When I hit the global page mode, I'm expecting to be able to consume from 
any queue. Otherwise, a single queue with no consumer could prevent to consume 
from any other queues (like the example). This seems wrong, no?
  | [/quote}
  | 
  | +1.
  | 
  | If global paging is full it shouldn't prevent destinations from being 
*consumed*, it should only prevent new messages being added into destinations 
in memory.
  | 
  | anonymous wrote : 
  |   | We can bypass paging for management or temp queues (even if I'd prefer 
not to) but this won't solve the issue highlighted by the example.
  |   | How can we make sure that when we hit the global page mode, a consumer 
can receive messages from any queue?
  | 
  | +1 again. If we solve the core issue here then having a special case for 
management won't be necessary

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM in an applet

2009-08-04 Thread timfox
gaohoward wrote : Hi Tim,
  | 
  | I'm using firefox 3.0.12. 
  | 
  | 
  |   | You shouldn't need to sign any jars since JBM should require any extra 
permissions beyond those given to an applet.
  |   | 
  | 
  | I don't understand it. Are you saying if i didn't sign the jars, the applet 
still can run in a browser?
  | 

AIUI signing classes is only necessary if you want them to do things over and 
above what default applets are allowed to do.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM / JMS / EAI / c++ / wire-protocol

2009-08-04 Thread timfox
gaohoward wrote : 
  | So if you want to access JBM from c/c++, i think you need use JNI to wrap 
the JBM java client.
  | 
  | 

No, you can use any stomp client with JBM 1.x with StompConnect.

Stomp clients are available in many languages including C++

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Unable to consume more than 777, 000 messages

2009-08-03 Thread timfox
There is no such method Message.acknowledgeThisMethod() on the JMS API.

JMS does not support the acknowledgement of specific messages. This is not 
specific to JBoss Messaging.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Unable to consume more than 777, 000 messages

2009-08-03 Thread timfox
The JBM core api is more powerful than the JMS API in that if you call 
message.acknowledge() it will acknowledge all messages up to and including that 
one that have been delivered on the session.

This differs from the JMS message.acknowledge() which acknowledges *all* 
messages that have been delivered on that session up until the time when you 
call it.

There is a subtle but important difference there.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Error on clustered nodes on startup

2009-08-03 Thread timfox
ejb3workshop wrote : 
  | I haven't found this issue reported anywhere else, 
  | 

It's in JIRA https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBMESSAGING-1682

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JMSServerControl.createQueue() fails when there are any

2009-08-02 Thread timfox
I'm not sure I fully understand what is going on here - if the management reply 
is paged, then won't it get depaged when it is consumed?


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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Receiving XML from c++ sender

2009-08-01 Thread timfox
sanches wrote : Hello all,
  | 
  | Is it possible to receive TextMessages (with XML payload) from the client 
written in c++ and using ActiveMQ?
  | What URI should be given to the cpp client in such a case?
  | 
  | Thanks.

Yes, it's possible to use activemq with c++ clients, but I don't see how that 
is related to JBoss Messaging. Look at the activemq docs and website for more 
info.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Receiving XML from c++ sender

2009-08-01 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : Is it possible to receive TextMessages 
(with XML payload) from the client written in c++ and using ActiveMQ?
  |   | What URI should be given to the cpp client in such a case? 
  | 
  | Sorry... your question was a little bit obscure to me...
  | 
  | 
  | I couldn' t realize you wanted to transfer messages from ActiveMQ to 
JBossMessaging.
  | 

You can use a JMS bridge to do this *already* in JBM 1.x and 2.x.

anonymous wrote : 
  | We are scheduled to implement AMQP on JBoss Messaging 2, what will enabled 
C++ to connect to JBoss Messaging.
  | 

You can already use a Stomp client to talk to JBoss Messaging 1.x/2.x using 
StompConnect (google it)



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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Receiving XML from c++ sender

2009-08-01 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : ... and JBossMessaging will implement AMQP, 
and other clients such as C++, .NET will be able to connect to JBoss Messaging 
2 using those libraries, which is a nice synergy.

Not only AMQP, JBM will be implementing REST and STOMP natively giving you a 
very large range of options for messaging interoperability.


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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Bridge with QOS_ONCE_AND_ONLY_ONCE

2009-08-01 Thread timfox
JBM 1.4 should *never* be used with an XA JDBC data source.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: How to post Message to IBM MQ Queue from Webservice ?( U

2009-08-01 Thread timfox
Please post on the JCA forum - this question is not about JBM

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Receiving XML from c++ sender

2009-08-01 Thread timfox
First of all, you are using JBoss Messaging 1.x , not JBoss MQ (default JMS 
provider in AS 5.0 is JBM) - I can see that in the stack trace.


  | javax.jms.JMSException: There is no administratively defined topic with 
name:SERVER/TOP
  | 

In JBM 1.x Having a forward slash in a destination name is illegal (there was a 
recent thread on this on this forum). You could try defining your topic as 
server.top, using a dot '.' to delimit words in a destination is also more 
consistent with how many other messaging systems define topic hierarchies.




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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM with singleton MDB

2009-08-01 Thread timfox
As Clebert mentioned, MDBs are *not* part of JBoss Messaging - JBM has no 
knowledge of MDBs.

MDBs exist as part of JBoss AS. MDBs provide their own pooling and buffering of 
messages which is not part of JBM.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Defining a distributed / clustered queue

2009-07-23 Thread timfox
As I mentioned in my previous reply you need to either a) use a clustered 
*temporary* queue b) use a response *topic*

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Urgent! Clustered-queue on 2 nodes failed

2009-07-23 Thread timfox
You're not specify your hostname on your acceptors, this will default to 
localhost which is clearly not visible from other machines.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM2 cluster fails under heavy load

2009-07-23 Thread timfox
Also it would help a lot if you always mention what exact version you are 
running.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Clustered messages not being received by external client

2009-07-21 Thread timfox
If you have a queue called responseQueue deployed on each of your nodes, how 
can JBoss Messaging possibly know which actual version of responseQueue on what 
node to send the response to? JBM is not psychic ;)

It can't, you simply haven't given it enough information.

The proper way of implementing this pattern is to implement a temporary 
response queue which will have a unique name across the cluster, then when you 
send a response to it from any other node, JBM will unambiguously know where to 
route it, otherwise it has no idea which node to route it to.

Alternatively you can create a response topic and consume responses with a 
selector (response_id=X). Either way will work.

BTW There are tests in the test suite for this.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Problem with remote JBM access from applet running on co

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
There are tests in the JBM test suite which should be checking it runs ok in a 
restricted security environment.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
It's very difficult for us to give a recommendation since we're not familiar 
with your business or architecture, and there's rarely a one size fits all 
solution.

But I'll try to give some pointers, if you're sending messages from web 
requests into an application in the same app server instance then using the JCA 
managed connection factory is the recommended approach (java:/JmsXA) and will 
give you the pooling you need. The overhead of this shouldn't be too high for 
sending messages.

Do you need MDBs? Well that really depends on whether you also need to persist 
the row to a database in the same transaction. Doing this in an MDB allows you 
to use JTA to do the message delivery and insert of row in the same global 
transaction. Of course this comes at an overhead.

If you can design out the insert into the DB that will give you your biggest 
performance boost, since then you can just use a standard JMS consumer and you 
can avoid JTA too. But as we've discussed before I'm not sure that's possible 
for you.

To demonstrate the overhead of all this stuff, try creating a simple program 
that uses raw JMS to send and consume from a queue. No JTA, MDB, JCA, Spring or 
anything else. And compare the performance.


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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : anonymous wrote : You do not expect me to 
look at persisted JMS messages as the system of record for my orders, do you?
  | 
  | This all depends on your business.
  | 
  | If the data should exist on the DB only for the life cycle of the message. 
(I mean, as soon as the message is consumed, the record is deleted), you could 
just store data on the message using a persistent message, and not use the DB 
for anything.
  | 
  | But if the data will exist on the DB after the message is processed, then 
you probably need the data on the DB for other business matters. But on that 
case the Database will be your bottleneck.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
The resources and tx mgr need to sync too and it doesn't solve that

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
The point I was trying to make is if if you are persisting the message in a 
separate database for *every* message then that's likely to be the slowest link 
in the chain, and the overall system will be only as fast as the slowest part.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
Now not only are you doing that once you're doing that twice, so that will 
involve 2 JTA transactions.

Each JTA transactions will involve a minimum of 3 syncs to the file system, so 
that's 6 syncs +2 more for the databases = probably around 8 syncs.

So yes, it will be slow (and it's not because of JBM) ;)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
Why are you persisting orders in a database?

If you are using persistent messages then the JMS system can guarantee 
persistence for you.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : timfox wrote : Why are you persisting 
orders in a database?
  |   | 
  |   | If you are using persistent messages then the JMS system can guarantee 
persistence for you.
  | 
  | Usually an orders table needs to be kept for historical reasons, right?

That's a sweeping statement if ever I've heard one.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
I'm slightly confused - I can't see where in your test program the Spring JMS 
Template is being used...

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
The right way depends on what you are trying to do.

From your test program I can see you are just sending messages to a queue, and 
consuming them via an MDB which does nothing but log a message.

In this case you don't need transactions on your MDB, also there's no real JCA 
involved here, since you're just sending messages from a client - there's 
nothing to pool.

Also you are currently using persistent messages, for the purposes of this 
example that's unnecessary too.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : timfox wrote : If you post your example 
application on a JIRA, then someone next week can have a look at it and see why 
it's acting slow...
  |   | 
  | 
  | The test we were using to replicate the ping issue replicates this 
transaction issue.

Yes I know, but I am not sure whether that is the exact same program that the 
user used to get 14 TPS (which seems extremely slow), that's why I asked for it.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
If you post your example application on a JIRA, then someone next week can have 
a look at it and see why it's acting slow...

In the mean-time - gave you looked at the performance tuning section in the jbm 
user manual?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
In my experience most very high performance messaging installations are not 
using JEE (no MDBs, JTA, JCA) - all these things have an overhead and often you 
can design them out in your application.

E.g. you can often design out JTA by using duplicate detection (see user manual)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
nbhatia wrote : Ok I checked out your latest tweaks on the trunk, and it 
seems like the problem is gone. 1 messages sent and received without any 
hiccups!. That's great!
  | 
  | As a side note, it took 12 minutes for the full round trip, which 
translates to about 14 tps. Any tips on how this can be improved? Of course 
this is on my crappy laptop, but I will try it later on my new desktop, which 
has the Intel i7 processor.
  | 
  | Thanks again for nailing this issue.
  | 
  | Naresh

We know that JBM 2 can do many 1000s of msgs/sec even on a crappy laptop. 
Probably 99.9% of the time taken in your test is being spent in non JBM code.

Remember you're using MDBs and the JCA layer, both of which are parts of the AS 
(not part of JBM). You're probably opening and processing a JTA (XA) 
transaction for *every* message being consumed (JTA is heavyweight), again the 
JTA impl (JBoss TS) is part of the AS not JBM. JTA will require syncing to disc 
at several points in the 2PC commit protocol.

Then if you are doing other stuff in your transaction (maybe writing to a DB) 
you have the time taken writing, preparing, and committing the tx - that's 
processing in the DB, not JBM.

And finally you've got time processing your actual user code in your MDB 
onMessage.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-20 Thread timfox
Nothing should be able to hold back pings since they are never written on the 
same thread as other requests.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: session.createTextMessage() returns null?

2009-07-15 Thread timfox
Are you sure it's really returning null?

The code from JBossSession::createTextMessage is just this:


  | public TextMessage createTextMessage() throws JMSException
  |{
  |   checkClosed();
  | 
  |   return new JBossTextMessage(session);
  |}
  | 

So I don't see how any well behaved JVM could return null, even under error 
conditions. If the creation of the text message proceeds you'll get a non null 
object. If it throws an exception, then an exception should be thrown from the 
method.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Any recommendation how to use JBM2 Producers Pool?

2009-07-14 Thread timfox
If you're servlets are running in the same AS instance as the broker and it's 
JBoss AS then you can just use the JMS JCA adapter to pool connections.

If it's not JBoss then you can share a ConnectionFactory (or 
ClientSessionFactory) instance between servlets - this will provide its own 
pooling of underlying connections.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Application Client can't find version.properties

2009-07-14 Thread timfox
Gunther-

Can you create a self contained program which replicates this issue, file a 
JIRA and attach it?

Thanks

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-13 Thread timfox
nbhatia wrote : 
  | Thanks for the pointers. Based on your suggestions I have been able to send 
and receive 1000 messages on my Windows XP box without any problems! I tried to 
push this number upwards but it breaks at about 3000 messages - same 
Connection failure has been detected message. Anyway, I am not worried about 
that right now since I am not expecting those kinds of loads on my system. 
  | 

I am worrried though since that should never happen, irrespective of load. 
Clebert and Andy are the guys who have access to Windows boxes. Hopefully one 
of them will try and replicate this.

anonymous wrote : 
  | 1) When I monitor my queue from JBoss jmx-console I see very low message 
counts, typically less that 50. I know that all my 1000 messages have been 
pumped into the queue because the call to send them has returned. I also know 
that only a handful have been received by watching the logs. So why does the 
console not show a big number in the queue?
  | 

The messages probably aren't in the queue, they're buffered on the client 
waiting for consumption. If you don't want buffering you can turn this off, see 
http://labs.jboss.com/file-access/default/members/jbossmessaging/freezone/docs/usermanual-2.0.0.beta3/html_single/index.html#flow-control.consumer.window

anonymous wrote : 
  | Next, I would use these diagrams as a base for explaining deeper concepts. 
Overlay them with connection factories to show where they are located and how 
many of them are there. Especially useful would be to show what we get 
out-of-the-box. For example, I had no idea that we get the JmsXA factory 
out-of-the-box and it is a JCA factory that I can start using right away. The 
documentation leads me to believe that I got to do a #~it-load of configuration 
before I can get JCA working - which is absolutely not true.
  | 

Well, you don't get it out of the box with JBoss Messaging. The thing at 
java/:JmsXA is the JBoss app server is the JMS JCA resource adapter - it's not 
part of JBoss Messaging is part of the application server and is there 
irrespective of whether you have installed JBM or not. The JBoss AS JCA adapter 
can be used with other messaging implementations too.

anonymous wrote : 
  | Finally, it would be very helpful to use the diagrams to show which 
configuration file controls which piece. There are so many configuration files 
flying out there that it is confusing for a beginner.
  | 

Certainly JBoss application server has many configurations files, but JBoss 
Messaging actually has very few, just:

jbm-configuration.xml - this is the main config file with most stuff in it

jbm-users.xml - this is the default user credential file - you probably won't 
even use this when using jboss as

jbm-jms.xml - this just contains JMS destinations and connection factories, you 
won't use this if you're not using JMS

You can actually run a fully functioning server with just jbm-configuration.xml.

The purpose of all the above files are explained in 
http://labs.jboss.com/file-access/default/members/jbossmessaging/freezone/docs/usermanual-2.0.0.beta3/html_single/index.html#using-server.configuration

Any other files you have configured (e.g. jms-ds.xml) are not part of JBoss 
Messaging - they're JBoss Application Server config files and should be 
described in the JBoss AS documentation.

Thanks for your feedback it's very constructive.



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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Embedded server - how to create JMS Topic?

2009-07-13 Thread timfox
Leos.Bitto wrote : 
  | Cool, it is nice to see that you guys from JBoss are willing to suggest a 
straight replacement of JBoss Microcontainer by Spring Framework. 

Well.. we're not recommending a replacement of JBoss MC by Spring. 

But we also realise that a lot of people use Spring, or A.N. Other dependency 
injection framework and we want JBM to be flexible enough to work with all 
those :)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBoss 5.1.0GA with JBM2.0.0. b3

2009-07-13 Thread timfox
Hi Gunther-

If you run the ant install script as mentioned in the quick start guide (after 
setting JBOSS_HOME) as described in 
http://labs.jboss.com/file-access/default/members/jbossmessaging/freezone/docs/quickstart-2.0.0.beta2/html/installation.html#installation.jboss
 then it should create a default-with-jbm2 profile and you don't need to 
manually copy any other files over.

To validate that JBM 2.0 was installed correctly you can try running the javaee 
examples as explained in the examples chapter. If these examples run ok you 
know you installed JBM alright. Otherwise it's likely it's a botched install, 
in which case I suggest starting the installation again with a fresh download 
of JBoss AS and JBM 2.0.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBoss 5.1.0GA with JBM2.0.0. b3

2009-07-13 Thread timfox
ataylor wrote : firstly, you shouldn't need to copy any files the install 
script does this for you.
  | 
  | also, can you use the jmx console not the admin console. have you tried 
sending messages to the queue?

+1. JBM 2.0 *as yet* is not managed by the JBoss AS 5 admin console.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-13 Thread timfox
nbhatia wrote : Andy and Tim, thanks for answering my questions. I guess I 
was not very clear on the boundaries between JBM and JBoss, so your explanation 
was very helpful. Since many users will use JBoss and JBM together, I suppose 
including that explanation in the manual would also be very useful.
  | 

Agreed, especially for users using JBM in JBoss AS, it's easy to just think of 
everything as just JBoss. We should add some clarification in the 
documentation. Thanks again for your good feedback :)


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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: JBM compatibility across releases

2009-07-10 Thread timfox
To clarify Howard's answer:

For JBM 1.4 we try and keep releases compatible but we make no guarantees - 
sometimes we have to fix bugs or other components need to fix bugs (e.g. JBoss 
Remoting) which requires incompatible fixes.

For EAP CP releases, the rules are stricter and we are required to maintain 
compatibility between them unless there is a critical bug whose fix requires 
compatibility is broken.

JBM 2.0 is *very different* to JBM 1.4. There is no compatibility between 1.4 
and 2.0

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: How to find total mumber of messages in a queue (i.e. in

2009-07-10 Thread timfox
There are other ways we could implement this, e.g. we could store a record in 
the bindings journal which has the count, and checkpoint this every X records 
paged and at shutdown.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-10 Thread timfox
Hi Naresh-

I don't have a Windows machine at hand (as you can imagine most of us don't use 
Windows) to try and replicate your issue, but Clebert and Andy have - perhaps 
they can try and replicate it.

Regarding the JCA config - there's a chapter in the user manual on how to 
configure this, also there should be a fully working example in the distro that 
demonstrates an MDB in action.

Andy is currently rewriting the JCA chapter (since it's a bit terse) so should 
be able to help you out with your config.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Messaging with IBM Websphere MQ 7 JCA Adapter

2009-07-10 Thread timfox
Can you post your question on the JCA users forum? it's not related to JBoss 
Messaging.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Connection failure has been detected message

2009-07-09 Thread timfox
Pinging changed between beta1/2 and beta3.

Are you sure you're not using a jar from beta1/beta2 with different jars from 
beta3? 

E.g. you have jars from an earlier release on the client side and different 
jars on the server side. Or maybe you are using the rar from a different 
release.

All jars used *everywhere* must be from the same release.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-09 Thread timfox
anonymous wrote : 
  | However I had to add the acceptors and connectors at the config. 
  | 

The fact that Clebert had to add these acceptors and connectors in order to get 
your example to work and you didn't, tells me you can't be using beta3.

Otherwise you would have had to do the same too to get the example to work.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re:

2009-07-09 Thread timfox
clebert.suco...@jboss.com wrote : Take a look at jms-ds.xml
  | 
  | 
  | The JNDI is java:/XAConnectionFactory.
  | 
  | (You need to use the local JNDI for that... just do new InitialContext(). 
As you may known java:/ means local VM).
  | 
  | 
  | you can just do:
  | 
  | 
  | InitialContext ctx = new IntialContext();
  |   | ConnectionFactory cf = 
(ConnectionFactory)ctx.lookup(java:/XAConnectionFactory);
  |   | 
  | 
  | 

That is NOT correct.

If you lookup java:/XAConnectionFactory you will NOT be using JCA.

There is a section on using JCA in the docs:

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: deleting messages rather than blocking if server down fo

2009-07-08 Thread timfox
Adrian-

Are your client threads calling send() on the same ClientProducer (core ) or 
MessageProducer (JMS) instance? If you do this you would have to synchronize 
access in your client application since neither JMS MessageProducers or core 
ClientProducer instances are designed to be used by more than one thread at a 
time,

Alternatively if you're creating a new MessageProducer for each message sent - 
that would also be frowned upon as an anti-pattern. 
Sessions/Producers/Consumers should always be reused between messages 
sent/consumed (unless you're not worried about performance).

If you enable auto reconnect you do so on the presumption that  your server has 
not really failed but there is a temporary network glitch (like someone has 
pulled out the cable for a while), and when the network comes back the client 
will be able to automatically reconnect its session(s) with the sesssion(s) 
still remaining on the server and carry on as if nothing  had happened (this is 
transparent reconnection). In your case the server has really failed so on 
recovery the server sessions will clearly not be there any more (since the 
server was restarted) and they won't be able to connect. That's why you don't 
get the exception until the client has tried to reconnect and not found the 
session(s) there. If you turn off auto reconnection you'll get the exception 
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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: deleting messages rather than blocking if server down fo

2009-07-08 Thread timfox
AdrianWoodhead wrote : The clients are calling send() on the same 
MessageProducer instance, and this isn't synchronized. This hasn't caused any 
noticeable problems in the past (when the MessageProducer was using ActiveMQ) 
or since we started evaluating JBM (although the loads on those 2 servers are 
still very low). This makes me think I really should queue up the messages to 
be sent myself and have one thread call send(), which will also get rid of the 
blocking problem..

+1

You may have just got lucky in the past. All sorts of weird subtle errors might 
start happening if you use a JMS session concurrently with different threads.

http://java.sun.com/javaee/5/docs/api/javax/jms/Session.html

...A Session object is a single-threaded context for producing and consuming 
messages...

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: deleting messages rather than blocking if server down fo

2009-07-08 Thread timfox
Perhaps you also need a thread pool in your application to stop potentially 
unlimited number of threads being created for your HTTP requests...

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Jboss Messaging examples in JBoss AS 5.1.0

2009-07-07 Thread timfox
Howard you should make an announcement/blog etc about this.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: EnableOrderingGroup attribute in JBM 1.4.1

2009-07-07 Thread timfox
The JMS spec guarantees that messages sent from a particular producer are 
delivered in order to a single consumer in the absence of failures.

You don't need order grouping for that.

If you're not seeing that, please add a test case that demonstrates it and 
someone will investigate it since it would imply there is a bug.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Could not find reference with id (JBM 2.0.0.BETA3)

2009-07-07 Thread timfox
Looks like a bug.

It seems that messages with an expiry set do not currently work well with 
pre-ack.

Can you file a JIRA? Should be an easy fix.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: using log4j in JBoss Messaging client

2009-07-07 Thread timfox
Andy- is this documented in the user manual? If not, we should make sure it is.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: deleting messages rather than blocking if server down fo

2009-07-07 Thread timfox
Adrian-

I am trying to get my head around what you're asking here.

if you're referring to command buffering:

http://labs.jboss.com/file-access/default/members/jbossmessaging/freezone/docs/usermanual-2.0.0.beta3/html/command-buffering.html

Then JBM will block by default on send if it hasn't received any acks back from 
the server. As mentioned in the docs you can turn this off by setting the 
ProducerWindowSize param to -1, but do so at your peril! Flow control is there 
to stop the server getting overwhelmed.

BTW JBM won't create any threads here - there will only be as many threads 
blocking as the number of threads from your application that have called 
send(), so I'm not sure how that could bring your application down.

You could also set an ExceptionListener which would be called when a problem 
with the connection is detected.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Clusted FailOver doesn't seem to work correctly with Bri

2009-07-06 Thread timfox
If you want a client in JBM 1.x to failover automatically from one node to 
another you need to set supportsFailover to true in the descriptor where the 
connection factory is deployed.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Clusted FailOver doesn't seem to work correctly with Bri

2009-07-06 Thread timfox
It depends what you want to do. When you originally said failover I assume you 
really meant reconnection, in which case you don't need a clustered connection 
factory.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Message bridge performance in WAN

2009-07-02 Thread timfox
If you are sending a lot of messages in a fairly constant stream it doesn't 
make a lot sense to me why you are setting maxBatchSize to a value other than 
-1, since the batch will be sent anyway when maxBatchSize is reached.

Regarding the speed of bridging, this is a function of many factors including:

The size of your messages
Are the messages persistent?
The bandwidth of your network
The round trip time of your network
The speed of the ActiveMQ server
The Quality of service mode you are using.
The speed of the JBM server

So it's very hard to quantify.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Stand-Alone Messaging: Trouble Configuring a Core Bridge

2009-07-02 Thread timfox
Also you have a typo here:

param key-jbm.remoting.netty.host value=server1 type=Strnig /

(Strnig)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss Messaging] - Re: Stand-Alone Messaging: Trouble Configuring a Core Bridge

2009-07-02 Thread timfox
Looks like you didn't specify host name on your acceptors. If you don't specify 
it it will default to listening on localhost which won't be accessible from 
another machine.

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