Re: Replying to messages
At 02:17 AM 9/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: I was just pissed that people replied to the list when the message said specifically please reply privately, and this happened with two successive threads. I'm not saying you should curtail meaningful discussion. This list is not a strip mine. Replies =should= always be to the list so that everyone can be enlightened, and so that discussion, where relevant, can ensue. If nothing else, replies to the list are then on record, and if Shamash ever fixes their search engine (or I finish moving us to another platform), the next person along with that question can find it just by searching. Folks who consider the list their private free consulting group are the anti-social folks we want to discourage ;-). ari Ari Davidow [EMAIL PROTECTED] list owner, [EMAIL PROTECTED] the klezmer shack: http://www.klezmershack.com/
Re: Replying to messages
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Wendy wrote: When someone asks a question, unless it's something that you feel is important for the whole list to see, please reply offline! This especially goes for those who specifically request replying offline. Just check the header when replying and make sure you're not sending it to the list. Unless the subject in question is off-topic, it is courteous to share the discussion with your friends on the list, rather than keeping it private. Groeten, Irwin Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~* Chazzanut Online: http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: Replying to messages
I agree with Irwin. Many times responses to requests are interesting and generate a lively discussion. I. Oppenheim wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Wendy wrote: When someone asks a question, unless it's something that you feel is important for the whole list to see, please reply offline! This especially goes for those who specifically request replying offline. Just check the header when replying and make sure you're not sending it to the list. Unless the subject in question is off-topic, it is courteous to share the discussion with your friends on the list, rather than keeping it private. Groeten, Irwin Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~* Chazzanut Online: http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/ -- You can now hear Lori's new CD, Songs My Bubbe Should Have Taught Me; Vol.1: Passover, at: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/lcahan Only $15 postage. Email me for more info. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: Replying to messages
Wendy wrote: Please, a note of courtesy: When someone asks a question, unless it's something that you feel is important for the whole list to see, please reply offline! This especially goes for those who specifically request replying offline. Just check the header when replying and make sure you're not sending it to the list. I couldn't disagree more with this posting. This is the first time in ages that I've felt compelled to write something to the list. (Ari, please let me know (on-list) if my thoughts here are misguided.) For starters, any posting to the list has the default reply address as the list. By design,. that suggests that that's where most replies should go. Secondly, as I understand it, this list is primarily an open discussion forum. Sure, if you don't want folks to respond to your posts publicly, then you are at liberty to request that, but generally, the subscribers to the list expect to post their replies to the list, unless the reply simply doesn't relate to jewish music (and is therefore off-topic, or O.T.), or is of a personal, private or confidential nature which warrants an off-list reply. (A note of caution: Many replies which have been intended to be private have inadvertently been posted to the list. It's one of the real risks one takes when participating in the list, and anyone expecting private responses ought to be prepared to take the likely risk that it will happen.) Thirdly, I have learned so much about jewish music from reading postings between all manner of people, nearly all of whom I've never met, and never would have the opportunity to meet here down under, that it would be an absolute travesty if folks made many of their responses private. Threads often take unpredictable turns and divergences which would never occur if the list never saw the unfolding conversation. Under these circumstances, I only wish that folks would rename the threads so that they more clearly represented the new key topic of that thread of conversation. Fourthly... if you want to stay private... with the greatest respect, use the phone. This kind of open communication could never exist before the internet became a commonplace phenomenon. Why bother having the internet if you don't want to take advantage of its power? Perhaps its time for some list housekeeping. Those who are more recent arrivers to the WWW and the internet generally are often unaware of the expected netiquette and unwittingly get themselves into a bit of hot water, or are simply unaware of the options they have to improve their experience of the net. Perhaps Ari (or someone else) could construct a page (the address of which could be included on the footer of postings) where folks could be directed to get some pointers about this list. It could; * explain the difference between a moderated and an unmoderated list and define this one, * outline the list netiquette, * give directions on how to unsubscribe, * outline the methods and the basic pros and cons of the various forms of list participation (i.e as a digest, as seperate emails, using web access), * indicate basic guidelines re HTML/Text only posting (and how to set your email client to do that), * outline the attachments policy and provide alternate ideas for those who wish to make such resources available to listers, * provide pointers on accessing and searching the archives, * even, dare I say it, give participants an idea of how they might determine for themselves, if their posting is on-topic and explain why that is an issue, * list some other forums which have been set up for the more common off-topic threads of conversation. (ie, predominately political issues, halachic matters, music which is not jewish, etc.) Re the on-topic issue, I say determine for themselves quite deliberately because I understand that what is or isn't on-topic is often a matter of opinion, and we don't want to see some sort of righteousness or dogma dictating what people can or can't write about. Nor do we want to see slanging matches developing over interpreting the finer points of the law of the list. The list netiquette could indicate how to politely suggest ways that a lister could review the appropriatness of their own posts. Sorry for the verbosity, Lionel. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: Replying to messages
In defense of Wendy's original posting: I believe that she meant that notes between individuals such as "Where should I send the money for that CD?" etc. should be sent between individuals and not posted to the list. We all have a limited workday/weekend/lifespan, and so if the note is not really intended for everyone, make it so. But if it's a note of potentially general interest--the various replies that come in to all the questions that cross this list--of course, they should be welcome there. And it's also fine, I think, to post the little one-line responses like "Thanks for the help, everyone!" or "Way to go, Lorele!" That's my 2 shekels. And a good shabbos to all...(that is intended for the list), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replying to messages
When someone asks a question, unless it's something that you feel is important for the whole list to see, please reply offline! This especially goes for those who specifically request replying offline. Just check the header when replying and make sure you're not sending it to the list. I couldn't disagree more with this posting. This is the first time in ages that I've felt compelled to write something to the list. Lionel and several others accurately reflect list policy. This is a community - we WANT people to respond here, and we want those conversations. Without those responses going to the list, there would be NO deeper conversation - no responses or feedback to anyone's thoughts or opinions. That would be bad for the community. Also, do please note that this list has an owner. It is my job to let people know if there are problems with posts (and to fix changed addresses, temporary absences, etc.). If you have a question about list policy, please check with me first. Thanks, ari Ari Davidow [EMAIL PROTECTED] list owner, [EMAIL PROTECTED] the klezmer shack: http://www.klezmershack.com/
Re: Replying to messages
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, I. Oppenheim wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Wendy wrote: When someone asks a question, unless it's something that you feel is important for the whole list to see, please reply offline! This especially goes for those who specifically request replying offline. Just check the header when replying and make sure you're not sending it to the list. Unless the subject in question is off-topic, it is courteous to share the discussion with your friends on the list, rather than keeping it private. I agree. Often other people ARE interested, and it saves the trouble of writing privately and asking for it for me, too; and the trouble of replying to several such individuals. One on-list reply takes care of it. Freda Birnbaum, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Call on God, but row away from the rocks -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
