Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:10:49PM -0400, Robert M. Love wrote:
On 21 May 2001 02:29:17 +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote:
John Au contraire. It is very reasonable to have both python and
John python2 installed. Having two different gcc versions installed
John is a big pain in the arse.
It's not unreasonable to have both installed, it's unreasonable to
require it.
Eric seems to think he can tell every distributor to ship Python2
tomorrow. Well it's a fine dream but it's not going to happen; snip
I think this is a very important point, and one I agree with. I tend to
let my distribution handle stuff like python. now, I use RedHat's
on-going devel, RawHide. it is not using python2. in fact, since
switching to python2 may break old stuff, I don't expect python2 until
8.0. that wont be for 9 months. 90% of RedHat's configuration tools, et
al, are written in python1 and they just are not going to change on
someone's whim.
2.6.0 isn't going to happen for at least a year or two. What's the problem ?
Want 2.5.X ? Get the tools too.
I'm in no position to push people around, but I think the whining about CML2
tool requirements is completely unjustified. If we required that everything
worked with GCC 2.7.2 and nmake, where would we be today ? I'm a lot more
worried about CML2 itself than about the tools it requires :)
im not installing python2 from source just so i can run some new config
utility.
python2 will be in rawhide when 2.5 development requires it, if I'm not much
mistaken.
Whether CML2 requires python2 or not, the distributions will change. This is
not about Eric pushing something down people's throats. Tools evolve, and new
revisions introduce incompatibilities, but distributions still follow the
evolution. Nobody ships perl4 today either.
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Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jakob Østergaard wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:10:49PM -0400, Robert M. Love wrote: im not installing python2 from source just so i can run some new config utility. python2 will be in rawhide when 2.5 development requires it, if I'm not much mistaken. Alan said someone is rewriting in C, so the python2 requirement is already becoming a non-problem. -Mike (don't like requirement, but don't think it's a big hairy deal either) ___ kbuild-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kbuild-devel
Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
On 21 May 2001, Jes Sorensen wrote: John Au contraire. It is very reasonable to have both python and John python2 installed. Having two different gcc versions installed John is a big pain in the arse. It's not unreasonable to have both installed, it's unreasonable to require it. Eric seems to think he can tell every distributor to ship Python2 tomorrow. Well it's a fine dream but it's not going to happen Distributors aren't going to ship Linux 2.5.x tomorrow either. Nicolas ___ kbuild-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kbuild-devel
Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
On 21 May 2001 02:29:17 +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: John Au contraire. It is very reasonable to have both python and John python2 installed. Having two different gcc versions installed John is a big pain in the arse. It's not unreasonable to have both installed, it's unreasonable to require it. Eric seems to think he can tell every distributor to ship Python2 tomorrow. Well it's a fine dream but it's not going to happen; snip I think this is a very important point, and one I agree with. I tend to let my distribution handle stuff like python. now, I use RedHat's on-going devel, RawHide. it is not using python2. in fact, since switching to python2 may break old stuff, I don't expect python2 until 8.0. that wont be for 9 months. 90% of RedHat's configuration tools, et al, are written in python1 and they just are not going to change on someone's whim. im not installing python2 from source just so i can run some new config utility. (on another note, about the coexist issue: am i going to have a python and python2 binary? so now the config tool will find which to use, ala the kgcc mess? great) -- Robert M. Love [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ kbuild-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kbuild-devel
Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
John == John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Jes Sorensen wrote: Telling them to install an updated gcc for kernel compilation is a necessary evil, which can easily be done without disturbing the rest of the system. Updating the system's python installation is not a reasonable request. John Au contraire. It is very reasonable to have both python and John python2 installed. Having two different gcc versions installed John is a big pain in the arse. It's not unreasonable to have both installed, it's unreasonable to require it. Eric seems to think he can tell every distributor to ship Python2 tomorrow. Well it's a fine dream but it's not going to happen; Most distributors do not ship new major versions of tools in their minor number release versions. I've seen him mention the number 6 months until everybody ships it, but a) thats not going to happen Red Hat is currently at 7.1 (if one looks at their release history, one would say there is a good chance there will be a 7.2) not to mention the release rate of Debian (not sure about the current state of all other distributions). 18 months is more realistic for it to be deployed widely enough. So far I haven't heard a single developer say something positive about CML2, the most positive I have heard so far has been whatever, it's his choice, I don't care, I want to hack. The majority are of the NO! and you got to be kiddin'. John Anonymized hearsay evidence is less than convincing. Well I don't like to quote personal conversations without peoples' approval, now both David Woodhouse and Arjan are two examples. Jes ___ kbuild-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kbuild-devel
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Somebody failed to track a module name change. --- drivers/sbus/char/Makefile 2001/05/20 15:33:48 1.1 +++ drivers/sbus/char/Makefile 2001/05/20 15:34:03 @@ -31,7 +31,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_SUN_AURORA) += aurora.o obj-$(CONFIG_TADPOLE_TS102_UCTRL) += uctrl.o obj-$(CONFIG_SUN_JSFLASH) += jsflash.o -obj-$(CONFIG_BBC_I2C) += bbc.o +obj-$(CONFIG_BBC_I2C) += bbc_i2c.o include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill, writing on the U.S. Civil War in 1862 ___ kbuild-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kbuild-devel
