Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: kbuild: Problem with latest GNU make rc

2006-03-11 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 3/6/06, Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sam Ravnborg wrote:
sr Suggestion:
sr We are now warned about an incompatibility in kbuild and we will
sr fix this asap. But that you postpone this particular behaviour
sr change until next make release. Maybe you add in this change as
sr the first thing after the stable relase so all bleeding edge make
sr users see it and can report issues.
 
  I am willing to postpone this change.  However, I can't say how much of
  a window this delay will give you: I can say that it's extremely
  unlikely that it will be another 3 years before GNU make 3.82 comes out.
 
  One year would be good. The fixed kernel build will be available in an
  official kernel in maybe two or three months form now. With current pace
  we will have maybe 3 more kernel relase until this hits us. And only on
  bleeding edge machines.

 I don't think is a big issue. The short-cut compile only the necessary
 files is used mainly by developers.
 Anyway the kernel will remain correct. Maybe for old kernel it take more
 time to build the kernel, but correct.

 BTW Debian building tools (IIRC) clean the sources before every kernel
 building process, and in 2.4 (and previous) it was high recommended to
 clean and recompile all kernel before any changes, so no big issue in
 these cases.
 I don't know other normal use, but I think it is not a big issue if
 people will need a complete build in the rare (IMHO) case that they
 want to recompile kernel (with small patches or changes in configuration).


Rebuilding the kernel tens (or hundreds) of times may be rare for most
ordinary users, but it's quite common for kernel developers.
Rebuilding the entire kernel every time you make a small change is a
big problem and cost a lot of people a lot of time - and the people
who will bear the cost are the ones who have to build many kernels.
IMHO this is a big problem.

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[kbuild-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/3] [kconfig] Direct use of lxdialog routines by menuconfig

2005-12-16 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 12/12/05, Petr Baudis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After three years, the zombie walks again!  This patch (against the latest
 git tree) cleans up interaction between kconfig's mconf (menuconfig
 frontend) and lxdialog. Its commandline interface disappears in this patch,
 instead a .so is packed from the lxdialog objects and the relevant
 functions are called directly from mconf.

 In practice, this means that drawing on the screen is done with _MUCH_
 less overhead now, the screen updates are better optimalized as ncurses
 won't get reset everytime you display something, that also implies that
 the ugly screen flickering is done. As a cute side-effect, the dialogs
 are now rendered on the top of the menu or help panel.  In the future,
 this also gives us much more freedom for enhancing the user interface.

 This opens space for plenty of cleanups of liblxdialog, removal of
 superfluous stuff and temporary files usage, etc.

 Compared to the previous version (from February 2003), this one should be
 less buggy (especially wrt. the escape character handling), should not
 crash while resizing and the resizing should have immediate effect
 (although things can still start looking ugly when you are resizing while
 not in a menu - to fix that properly, more liblxdialog integration is
 required). Also, the code is considerably simplified on few places.

 Signed-off-by: Petr Baudis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just gave it a very quick spin and I like it. Very nice.

It's definately a lot snappier, nice work.

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[kbuild-devel] Re: [2.6 patch] Kconfig: rename ---help--- to help in Kconfig files (first part) (fwd)

2005-06-01 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 5/31/05, Roman Zippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, 31 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 
  there's still the point that it's currently used inconsistently.
 
 Why is it so important to fix this inconsistency?
 Why is it so difficult to accept that both are valid options?
 

Let's just let this patch die quietly, ok? 

It's not important, I just made it one late evening and submitted it
in case it was wanted. It was not wanted so it should just die. No
difficulty accepting that.

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