[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

[Thomas Lübking via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365685

--- Comment #16 from Thomas Lübking  ---
This re-reads and re-applies the rules. Did you alter the match patterns (for
otherwise you were "lucky" to have the rules applied when the desktop was set
"desktop" and now ran into the override setting)

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[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365685

--- Comment #15 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
Created attachment 100110
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=100110=edit
could be important! the bug comes back after i change the order under kwin
rules.

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[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

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--- Comment #14 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
yup, it happens when clicking empty spot somewhere on plasmashell and focusing
back to a "keep below" window.

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[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365685

Thomas Lübking  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #13 from Thomas Lübking  ---
Thanks for the update.
>From the report, it doesn't seem that you're trying to show the desktop, but
this happens when simply clicking (activating) the desktop?

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 350826 ***

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--- Comment #12 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
sorry, i'm an idiot. i had to close and reopen window after i've made the
changes.
yea, it seems to fix it.

the random xprop messages
"_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
"
are still there, but i can atleast go back to my workflow now! thanks, Thomas
;)

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[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365685

--- Comment #11 from Thomas Lübking  ---
No, sorry
I've abandoned KDE few months ago and only help out on bugs (since my
experience didn't drop off me - and actually I wanted to and should have quit
bugs.kde.org on July 1st...)


Just edit the rule and on the very first tab ensure to select all window type
**except docks and dialogs** - that should do.

See this screenshot of the relevant page.
https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/thumb/2/20/Window-matching-init.png/560px-Window-matching-init.png

The thing should not be called "unmanaged window" ... (it's not) but again: you
do NOT want to match dialogs and docks.

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--- Comment #10 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
can you make a rule please? i just want to be sure it's correct, i don't have
"override" for example :(

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[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365685

--- Comment #9 from Thomas Lübking  ---
On the first tab, the window matching (ie. which windows to apply this rule to)
can be configured and that's probably too sharp because of the selected type,
ie. the rule isn't applied to the window because it actually only forces
desktop type windows to be of desktop type (ie. does nothing)

You need to ensure that normal and override type windows are caught as well.

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--- Comment #8 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
i can "force" window type as desktop under `appearance and fixes` tab only, and
it doesn't change anything.

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--- Comment #7 from Thomas Lübking  ---
> types=2

Revisit the match page - it matches the type ;-)
Just ensure to match desktop, override and normal windows so the rule will
actually apply.

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--- Comment #6 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
Created attachment 100105
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=100105=edit
rule

sure

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[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

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--- Comment #5 from Thomas Lübking  ---
Hummm... it all points that direction, still.
Could you please export and attach the rule you created?

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--- Comment #4 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
same happens when i enforce plasmashell being a desktop type.


ok, xprop -spy was kinda noisy when focusing between window and plasmashell

"_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _KDE_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_OVERRIDE,
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP"

basicly the pattern is pretty random. those "skipping" bits are when a window
is sliding behind plasmashell

about "wmctrl": well i can't "re-raise" it, if i click on other window (e.g.
konsole to type in wmctrl), the "keep below window" will appear. i can only
keep it behind the plasmashell if i don't focus on other (any???) window.

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[kwin] [Bug 365685] "keep below" windows dive below plasmashell (sometimes)

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365685

--- Comment #3 from Thomas Lübking  ---
I assume it's when keep below windows are lost (otherwise the value is
expectable)
Can you create a kwin rule (kcmshell5 kwinrules) that enforces plasmashell to
be of desktop type; then try to re-cause the problem.

If not, the problem will be caused by kwin updating the layer for the window
(typically when showing the desktop, but there may be other occasions) and the
window having the wrong type at that moment.

You can also try to run "xprop -spy _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE" on the desktop and see
whether there's noise right when the window gets lost.

Last (just in case the above fails), did you already ensure it's really because
the keep below window drops in the stack, ie. withdrawing the state with wmctrl
re-raises it?

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--- Comment #2 from ensla...@protonmail.com ---
yup...
$ _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP

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Thomas Lübking  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.kde.org/show_b
   ||ug.cgi?id=350826

--- Comment #1 from Thomas Lübking  ---
smells related to bug #350826

open a konsole, set it to keep above ( ;-) and try to cause this. when it
happens, run "xprop _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE" and click the desktop, see whether it
says "_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP"

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