Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Thu Apr 4, 2024 at 2:56 AM EEST, Eric Biggers wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 09:32:02AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Eric Biggers wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:20:27PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: > > >> On 23/02/2024 5:54 pm, Eric Biggers wrote: > > >> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:42:11PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: > > >> >> Yes, and I agree. We're not looking to try and force this in with > > >> >> underhand tactics. > > >> >> > > >> >> But a blind "nack to any SHA-1" is similarly damaging in the opposite > > >> >> direction. > > >> >> > > >> > Well, reviewers have said they'd prefer that SHA-1 not be included and > > >> > given > > >> > some thoughtful reasons for that. But also they've given suggestions > > >> > on how to > > >> > make the SHA-1 support more palatable, such as splitting it into a > > >> > separate > > >> > patch and giving it a proper justification. > > >> > > > >> > All suggestions have been ignored. > > >> > > >> The public record demonstrates otherwise. > > >> > > >> But are you saying that you'd be happy if the commit message read > > >> something more like: > > >> > > >> ---8<--- > > >> For better or worse, Secure Launch needs SHA-1 and SHA-256. > > >> > > >> The choice of hashes used lie with the platform firmware, not with > > >> software, and is often outside of the users control. > > >> > > >> Even if we'd prefer to use SHA-256-only, if firmware elected to start us > > >> with the SHA-1 and SHA-256 backs active, we still need SHA-1 to parse > > >> the TPM event log thus far, and deliberately cap the SHA-1 PCRs in order > > >> to safely use SHA-256 for everything else. > > >> --- > > > > > > Please take some time to read through the comments that reviewers have > > > left on > > > previous versions of the patchset. > > > > So I went and read through the old comments, and I'm lost. In brief > > summary: > > > > If the hardware+firmware only supports SHA-1, then some reviewers would > > prefer > > Linux not to support DRTM. I personally think this is a bit silly, but it's > > not entirely unreasonable. Maybe it should be a config option? > > > > If the hardware+firmware does support SHA-256, then it sounds (to me, > > reading > > this -- I haven't dug into the right spec pages) that, for optimal security, > > something still needs to effectively turn SHA-1 *off* at runtime by capping > > the event log properly. And that requires computing a SHA-1 hash. And, to > > be > > clear, (a) this is only on systems that already support SHA-256 and that we > > should support and (b) *not* doing so leaves us potentially more vulnerable > > to > > SHA-1 attacks than doing so. And no SHA-256-supporting tooling will > > actually > > be compromised by a SHA-1 compromise if we cap the event log. > > > > So is there a way forward? Just saying "read through the comments" seems > > like > > a dead end. > > > > It seems there may be a justification for some form of SHA-1 support in this > feature. As I've said, the problem is that it's not explained in the patchset > itself. Rather, it just talks about "SHA" and pretends like SHA-1 and SHA-2 > are > basically the same. In fact, SHA-1 differs drastically from SHA-2 in terms of > security. SHA-1 support should be added in a separate patch, with a clearly > explained rationale *in the patch itself* for the SHA-1 support > *specifically*. Yeah, this is important so that we don't end up deleting that support by accident. Just adding to denote that this more than just a "process issue". > - Eric BR, Jarkko
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On 4/3/24 4:56 PM, Eric Biggers wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 09:32:02AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Eric Biggers wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:20:27PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: On 23/02/2024 5:54 pm, Eric Biggers wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:42:11PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: Yes, and I agree. We're not looking to try and force this in with underhand tactics. But a blind "nack to any SHA-1" is similarly damaging in the opposite direction. Well, reviewers have said they'd prefer that SHA-1 not be included and given some thoughtful reasons for that. But also they've given suggestions on how to make the SHA-1 support more palatable, such as splitting it into a separate patch and giving it a proper justification. All suggestions have been ignored. The public record demonstrates otherwise. But are you saying that you'd be happy if the commit message read something more like: ---8<--- For better or worse, Secure Launch needs SHA-1 and SHA-256. The choice of hashes used lie with the platform firmware, not with software, and is often outside of the users control. Even if we'd prefer to use SHA-256-only, if firmware elected to start us with the SHA-1 and SHA-256 backs active, we still need SHA-1 to parse the TPM event log thus far, and deliberately cap the SHA-1 PCRs in order to safely use SHA-256 for everything else. --- Please take some time to read through the comments that reviewers have left on previous versions of the patchset. So I went and read through the old comments, and I'm lost. In brief summary: If the hardware+firmware only supports SHA-1, then some reviewers would prefer Linux not to support DRTM. I personally think this is a bit silly, but it's not entirely unreasonable. Maybe it should be a config option? If the hardware+firmware does support SHA-256, then it sounds (to me, reading this -- I haven't dug into the right spec pages) that, for optimal security, something still needs to effectively turn SHA-1 *off* at runtime by capping the event log properly. And that requires computing a SHA-1 hash. And, to be clear, (a) this is only on systems that already support SHA-256 and that we should support and (b) *not* doing so leaves us potentially more vulnerable to SHA-1 attacks than doing so. And no SHA-256-supporting tooling will actually be compromised by a SHA-1 compromise if we cap the event log. So is there a way forward? Just saying "read through the comments" seems like a dead end. It seems there may be a justification for some form of SHA-1 support in this feature. As I've said, the problem is that it's not explained in the patchset itself. Rather, it just talks about "SHA" and pretends like SHA-1 and SHA-2 are basically the same. In fact, SHA-1 differs drastically from SHA-2 in terms of security. SHA-1 support should be added in a separate patch, with a clearly explained rationale *in the patch itself* for the SHA-1 support *specifically*. For the record, we were never trying to "pretend" or obfuscate the use of SHA-1. It was simply expedient to put the hash algorithm changes in one patch. We have now separated the patches for clarity and will add any text that explains our use and/or explain the issues with its use. We went back through the comments and tried to address everything that came up about the use of SHA-1. We will review it all again before posting another patch set. Thank you for your feedback. Ross - Eric
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 09:32:02AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Eric Biggers wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:20:27PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: > >> On 23/02/2024 5:54 pm, Eric Biggers wrote: > >> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:42:11PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: > >> >> Yes, and I agree. We're not looking to try and force this in with > >> >> underhand tactics. > >> >> > >> >> But a blind "nack to any SHA-1" is similarly damaging in the opposite > >> >> direction. > >> >> > >> > Well, reviewers have said they'd prefer that SHA-1 not be included and > >> > given > >> > some thoughtful reasons for that. But also they've given suggestions on > >> > how to > >> > make the SHA-1 support more palatable, such as splitting it into a > >> > separate > >> > patch and giving it a proper justification. > >> > > >> > All suggestions have been ignored. > >> > >> The public record demonstrates otherwise. > >> > >> But are you saying that you'd be happy if the commit message read > >> something more like: > >> > >> ---8<--- > >> For better or worse, Secure Launch needs SHA-1 and SHA-256. > >> > >> The choice of hashes used lie with the platform firmware, not with > >> software, and is often outside of the users control. > >> > >> Even if we'd prefer to use SHA-256-only, if firmware elected to start us > >> with the SHA-1 and SHA-256 backs active, we still need SHA-1 to parse > >> the TPM event log thus far, and deliberately cap the SHA-1 PCRs in order > >> to safely use SHA-256 for everything else. > >> --- > > > > Please take some time to read through the comments that reviewers have left > > on > > previous versions of the patchset. > > So I went and read through the old comments, and I'm lost. In brief summary: > > If the hardware+firmware only supports SHA-1, then some reviewers would prefer > Linux not to support DRTM. I personally think this is a bit silly, but it's > not entirely unreasonable. Maybe it should be a config option? > > If the hardware+firmware does support SHA-256, then it sounds (to me, reading > this -- I haven't dug into the right spec pages) that, for optimal security, > something still needs to effectively turn SHA-1 *off* at runtime by capping > the event log properly. And that requires computing a SHA-1 hash. And, to be > clear, (a) this is only on systems that already support SHA-256 and that we > should support and (b) *not* doing so leaves us potentially more vulnerable to > SHA-1 attacks than doing so. And no SHA-256-supporting tooling will actually > be compromised by a SHA-1 compromise if we cap the event log. > > So is there a way forward? Just saying "read through the comments" seems like > a dead end. > It seems there may be a justification for some form of SHA-1 support in this feature. As I've said, the problem is that it's not explained in the patchset itself. Rather, it just talks about "SHA" and pretends like SHA-1 and SHA-2 are basically the same. In fact, SHA-1 differs drastically from SHA-2 in terms of security. SHA-1 support should be added in a separate patch, with a clearly explained rationale *in the patch itself* for the SHA-1 support *specifically*. - Eric
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Eric Biggers wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:20:27PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: >> On 23/02/2024 5:54 pm, Eric Biggers wrote: >> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:42:11PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: >> >> Yes, and I agree. We're not looking to try and force this in with >> >> underhand tactics. >> >> >> >> But a blind "nack to any SHA-1" is similarly damaging in the opposite >> >> direction. >> >> >> > Well, reviewers have said they'd prefer that SHA-1 not be included and >> > given >> > some thoughtful reasons for that. But also they've given suggestions on >> > how to >> > make the SHA-1 support more palatable, such as splitting it into a separate >> > patch and giving it a proper justification. >> > >> > All suggestions have been ignored. >> >> The public record demonstrates otherwise. >> >> But are you saying that you'd be happy if the commit message read >> something more like: >> >> ---8<--- >> For better or worse, Secure Launch needs SHA-1 and SHA-256. >> >> The choice of hashes used lie with the platform firmware, not with >> software, and is often outside of the users control. >> >> Even if we'd prefer to use SHA-256-only, if firmware elected to start us >> with the SHA-1 and SHA-256 backs active, we still need SHA-1 to parse >> the TPM event log thus far, and deliberately cap the SHA-1 PCRs in order >> to safely use SHA-256 for everything else. >> --- > > Please take some time to read through the comments that reviewers have left on > previous versions of the patchset. So I went and read through the old comments, and I'm lost. In brief summary: If the hardware+firmware only supports SHA-1, then some reviewers would prefer Linux not to support DRTM. I personally think this is a bit silly, but it's not entirely unreasonable. Maybe it should be a config option? If the hardware+firmware does support SHA-256, then it sounds (to me, reading this -- I haven't dug into the right spec pages) that, for optimal security, something still needs to effectively turn SHA-1 *off* at runtime by capping the event log properly. And that requires computing a SHA-1 hash. And, to be clear, (a) this is only on systems that already support SHA-256 and that we should support and (b) *not* doing so leaves us potentially more vulnerable to SHA-1 attacks than doing so. And no SHA-256-supporting tooling will actually be compromised by a SHA-1 compromise if we cap the event log. So is there a way forward? Just saying "read through the comments" seems like a dead end. Thanks, Andy
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:20:27PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: > On 23/02/2024 5:54 pm, Eric Biggers wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:42:11PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: > >> Yes, and I agree. We're not looking to try and force this in with > >> underhand tactics. > >> > >> But a blind "nack to any SHA-1" is similarly damaging in the opposite > >> direction. > >> > > Well, reviewers have said they'd prefer that SHA-1 not be included and given > > some thoughtful reasons for that. But also they've given suggestions on > > how to > > make the SHA-1 support more palatable, such as splitting it into a separate > > patch and giving it a proper justification. > > > > All suggestions have been ignored. > > The public record demonstrates otherwise. > > But are you saying that you'd be happy if the commit message read > something more like: > > ---8<--- > For better or worse, Secure Launch needs SHA-1 and SHA-256. > > The choice of hashes used lie with the platform firmware, not with > software, and is often outside of the users control. > > Even if we'd prefer to use SHA-256-only, if firmware elected to start us > with the SHA-1 and SHA-256 backs active, we still need SHA-1 to parse > the TPM event log thus far, and deliberately cap the SHA-1 PCRs in order > to safely use SHA-256 for everything else. > --- Please take some time to read through the comments that reviewers have left on previous versions of the patchset. - Eric
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On 23/02/2024 5:54 pm, Eric Biggers wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:42:11PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: >> Yes, and I agree. We're not looking to try and force this in with >> underhand tactics. >> >> But a blind "nack to any SHA-1" is similarly damaging in the opposite >> direction. >> > Well, reviewers have said they'd prefer that SHA-1 not be included and given > some thoughtful reasons for that. But also they've given suggestions on how > to > make the SHA-1 support more palatable, such as splitting it into a separate > patch and giving it a proper justification. > > All suggestions have been ignored. The public record demonstrates otherwise. But are you saying that you'd be happy if the commit message read something more like: ---8<--- For better or worse, Secure Launch needs SHA-1 and SHA-256. The choice of hashes used lie with the platform firmware, not with software, and is often outside of the users control. Even if we'd prefer to use SHA-256-only, if firmware elected to start us with the SHA-1 and SHA-256 backs active, we still need SHA-1 to parse the TPM event log thus far, and deliberately cap the SHA-1 PCRs in order to safely use SHA-256 for everything else. --- ? ~Andrew
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 04:42:11PM +, Andrew Cooper wrote: > > Yes, and I agree. We're not looking to try and force this in with > underhand tactics. > > But a blind "nack to any SHA-1" is similarly damaging in the opposite > direction. > Well, reviewers have said they'd prefer that SHA-1 not be included and given some thoughtful reasons for that. But also they've given suggestions on how to make the SHA-1 support more palatable, such as splitting it into a separate patch and giving it a proper justification. All suggestions have been ignored. - Eric
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On 23/02/2024 9:27 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 13:30, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 22/02/2024 9:34 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 04:05, Andrew Cooper
>>> wrote:
On 15/02/2024 8:17 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 23:31, Ross Philipson
> wrote:
>> From: "Daniel P. Smith"
>>
>> The SHA algorithms are necessary to measure configuration information
>> into
>> the TPM as early as possible before using the values. This implementation
>> uses the established approach of #including the SHA libraries directly in
>> the code since the compressed kernel is not uncompressed at this point.
>>
>> The SHA code here has its origins in the code from the main kernel:
>>
>> commit c4d5b9ffa31f ("crypto: sha1 - implement base layer for SHA-1")
>>
>> A modified version of this code was introduced to the lib/crypto/sha1.c
>> to bring it in line with the sha256 code and allow it to be pulled into
>> the
>> setup kernel in the same manner as sha256 is.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Smith
>> Signed-off-by: Ross Philipson
> We have had some discussions about this, and you really need to
> capture the justification in the commit log for introducing new code
> that implements an obsolete and broken hashing algorithm.
>
> SHA-1 is broken and should no longer be used for anything. Introducing
> new support for a highly complex boot security feature, and then
> relying on SHA-1 in the implementation makes this whole effort seem
> almost futile, *unless* you provide some rock solid reasons here why
> this is still safe.
>
> If the upshot would be that some people are stuck with SHA-1 so they
> won't be able to use this feature, then I'm not convinced we should
> obsess over that.
To be absolutely crystal clear here.
The choice of hash algorithm(s) are determined by the OEM and the
platform, not by Linux.
Failing to (at least) cap a PCR in a bank which the OEM/platform left
active is a security vulnerability. It permits the unsealing of secrets
if an attacker can replay a good set of measurements into an unused bank.
The only way to get rid of the requirement for SHA-1 here is to lobby
the IHVs/OEMs, or perhaps the TCG, to produce/spec a platform where the
SHA-1 banks can be disabled. There are no known such platforms in the
market today, to the best of our knowledge.
>>> OK, so mainline Linux does not support secure launch at all today. At
>>> this point, we need to decide whether or not tomorrow's mainline Linux
>>> will support secure launch with SHA1 or without, right?
>> I'd argue that's a slightly unfair characterisation.
>>
> Fair enough. I'm genuinely trying to have a precise understanding of
> this, not trying to be dismissive.
Sure, and neither am I. (And frankly, I vastly prefer this reasoned
discussion to prior ones.)
Secure Launch technology really is used today as out-of-tree code, and
it has taken ~15y to get to this point of doing it nicely in an
ecosystem that is wider than just Linux. (Not a criticism, just an
observation)
We're looking not to get blocked with a brand new objection which
approximates to "it's now not perfect, therefore you can't have
something that's still a lot better than nothing".
A major reason why the hardware ecosystem is out of date is because
almost no-one uses it, because it's horribly complicated to configure,
because it's a set of large out-of-tree patche series against your
bootloader, hypervisor and kernel.
The goal of the Trenchboot project is to make it easy to use (i.e.
upstream support in the relevant projects), so that more people can use
it, in order to drive the hardware ecosystem forward.
Very seriously - Linux taking this series, even off by default and with
a "SHA-1 considered hazardous for your health" warning somewhere, will
still have a material positive impact in getting the hardware ecosystem
to improve. It is, by far and away, the best thing that we (Trenchboot)
can do in order to move towards a SHA-1-less future.
Trenchboot do have a specific intent to get to that future, and beyond,
but it's a multi-year task.
>> We want tomorrow's mainline to support Secure Launch. What that entails
>> under the hood is largely outside of the control of the end user.
>>
> So the debate is really whether it makes sense at all to support
> Secure Launch on systems that are stuck on an obsolete and broken hash
> algorithm. This is not hyperbole: SHA-1 is broken today and once these
> changes hit production 1-2 years down the line, the situation will
> only have deteriorated. And another 2-3 years later, we will be the
> ones chasing obscure bugs on systems that were already obsolete when
> this support was added.
There are indeed collisions, and this will indeed get worse over time.
But right now
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 13:30, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>
> On 22/02/2024 9:34 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 04:05, Andrew Cooper
> > wrote:
> >> On 15/02/2024 8:17 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 23:31, Ross Philipson
> >>> wrote:
> From: "Daniel P. Smith"
>
> The SHA algorithms are necessary to measure configuration information
> into
> the TPM as early as possible before using the values. This implementation
> uses the established approach of #including the SHA libraries directly in
> the code since the compressed kernel is not uncompressed at this point.
>
> The SHA code here has its origins in the code from the main kernel:
>
> commit c4d5b9ffa31f ("crypto: sha1 - implement base layer for SHA-1")
>
> A modified version of this code was introduced to the lib/crypto/sha1.c
> to bring it in line with the sha256 code and allow it to be pulled into
> the
> setup kernel in the same manner as sha256 is.
>
> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Smith
> Signed-off-by: Ross Philipson
> >>> We have had some discussions about this, and you really need to
> >>> capture the justification in the commit log for introducing new code
> >>> that implements an obsolete and broken hashing algorithm.
> >>>
> >>> SHA-1 is broken and should no longer be used for anything. Introducing
> >>> new support for a highly complex boot security feature, and then
> >>> relying on SHA-1 in the implementation makes this whole effort seem
> >>> almost futile, *unless* you provide some rock solid reasons here why
> >>> this is still safe.
> >>>
> >>> If the upshot would be that some people are stuck with SHA-1 so they
> >>> won't be able to use this feature, then I'm not convinced we should
> >>> obsess over that.
> >> To be absolutely crystal clear here.
> >>
> >> The choice of hash algorithm(s) are determined by the OEM and the
> >> platform, not by Linux.
> >>
> >> Failing to (at least) cap a PCR in a bank which the OEM/platform left
> >> active is a security vulnerability. It permits the unsealing of secrets
> >> if an attacker can replay a good set of measurements into an unused bank.
> >>
> >> The only way to get rid of the requirement for SHA-1 here is to lobby
> >> the IHVs/OEMs, or perhaps the TCG, to produce/spec a platform where the
> >> SHA-1 banks can be disabled. There are no known such platforms in the
> >> market today, to the best of our knowledge.
> >>
> > OK, so mainline Linux does not support secure launch at all today. At
> > this point, we need to decide whether or not tomorrow's mainline Linux
> > will support secure launch with SHA1 or without, right?
>
> I'd argue that's a slightly unfair characterisation.
>
Fair enough. I'm genuinely trying to have a precise understanding of
this, not trying to be dismissive.
> We want tomorrow's mainline to support Secure Launch. What that entails
> under the hood is largely outside of the control of the end user.
>
So the debate is really whether it makes sense at all to support
Secure Launch on systems that are stuck on an obsolete and broken hash
algorithm. This is not hyperbole: SHA-1 is broken today and once these
changes hit production 1-2 years down the line, the situation will
only have deteriorated. And another 2-3 years later, we will be the
ones chasing obscure bugs on systems that were already obsolete when
this support was added.
So what is the value proposition here? An end user today, who is
mindful enough of security to actively invest the effort to migrate
their system from ordinary measured boot to secure launch, is really
going to do so on a system that only implements SHA-1 support?
> > And the point you are making here is that we need SHA-1 not only to a)
> > support systems that are on TPM 1.2 and support nothing else, but also
> > to b) ensure that crypto agile TPM 2.0 with both SHA-1 and SHA-256
> > enabled can be supported in a safe manner, which would involve
> > measuring some terminating event into the SHA-1 PCRs to ensure they
> > are not left in a dangling state that might allow an adversary to
> > trick the TPM into unsealing a secret that it shouldn't.
>
> Yes. Also c) because if the end user wants to use SHA-1, they should be
> able to.
>
The end user can do whatever they want, of course. Whether it belongs
in the upstream is an entirely different matter, though, especially
because we will effectively be forced to support this forever.
> > So can we support b) without a), and if so, does measuring an
> > arbitrary dummy event into a PCR that is only meant to keep sealed
> > forever really require a SHA-1 implementation, or could we just use an
> > arbitrary (not even random) sequence of 160 bits and use that instead?
>
> a) and b) are in principle independent, but we cannot support b) without
> SHA-1.
>
> To cap a PCR, the event log still needs to be kept accurate, and that's
> at least one SHA-1
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On 22/02/2024 9:34 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 04:05, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 15/02/2024 8:17 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 23:31, Ross Philipson
>>> wrote:
From: "Daniel P. Smith"
The SHA algorithms are necessary to measure configuration information into
the TPM as early as possible before using the values. This implementation
uses the established approach of #including the SHA libraries directly in
the code since the compressed kernel is not uncompressed at this point.
The SHA code here has its origins in the code from the main kernel:
commit c4d5b9ffa31f ("crypto: sha1 - implement base layer for SHA-1")
A modified version of this code was introduced to the lib/crypto/sha1.c
to bring it in line with the sha256 code and allow it to be pulled into the
setup kernel in the same manner as sha256 is.
Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Smith
Signed-off-by: Ross Philipson
>>> We have had some discussions about this, and you really need to
>>> capture the justification in the commit log for introducing new code
>>> that implements an obsolete and broken hashing algorithm.
>>>
>>> SHA-1 is broken and should no longer be used for anything. Introducing
>>> new support for a highly complex boot security feature, and then
>>> relying on SHA-1 in the implementation makes this whole effort seem
>>> almost futile, *unless* you provide some rock solid reasons here why
>>> this is still safe.
>>>
>>> If the upshot would be that some people are stuck with SHA-1 so they
>>> won't be able to use this feature, then I'm not convinced we should
>>> obsess over that.
>> To be absolutely crystal clear here.
>>
>> The choice of hash algorithm(s) are determined by the OEM and the
>> platform, not by Linux.
>>
>> Failing to (at least) cap a PCR in a bank which the OEM/platform left
>> active is a security vulnerability. It permits the unsealing of secrets
>> if an attacker can replay a good set of measurements into an unused bank.
>>
>> The only way to get rid of the requirement for SHA-1 here is to lobby
>> the IHVs/OEMs, or perhaps the TCG, to produce/spec a platform where the
>> SHA-1 banks can be disabled. There are no known such platforms in the
>> market today, to the best of our knowledge.
>>
> OK, so mainline Linux does not support secure launch at all today. At
> this point, we need to decide whether or not tomorrow's mainline Linux
> will support secure launch with SHA1 or without, right?
I'd argue that's a slightly unfair characterisation.
We want tomorrow's mainline to support Secure Launch. What that entails
under the hood is largely outside of the control of the end user.
> And the point you are making here is that we need SHA-1 not only to a)
> support systems that are on TPM 1.2 and support nothing else, but also
> to b) ensure that crypto agile TPM 2.0 with both SHA-1 and SHA-256
> enabled can be supported in a safe manner, which would involve
> measuring some terminating event into the SHA-1 PCRs to ensure they
> are not left in a dangling state that might allow an adversary to
> trick the TPM into unsealing a secret that it shouldn't.
Yes. Also c) because if the end user wants to use SHA-1, they should be
able to.
> So can we support b) without a), and if so, does measuring an
> arbitrary dummy event into a PCR that is only meant to keep sealed
> forever really require a SHA-1 implementation, or could we just use an
> arbitrary (not even random) sequence of 160 bits and use that instead?
a) and b) are in principle independent, but we cannot support b) without
SHA-1.
To cap a PCR, the event log still needs to be kept accurate, and that's
at least one SHA-1 calculation. If you were to simply extend a dummy
value, the system hopefully fails safe, but the user gets "something
went wrong, you're on your own", rather than "we intentionally blocked
the use of SHA-1, everything is good".
And frankly, you need SHA-1 just to read the event log, if any component
(including TXT itself) wrote a SHA-1 entry into it.
To be blunt. SHA-1 support is not viably optional today as far as
Secure Launch is concerned. If there's a suitable Kconfig symbol to use
for people who want a completely SHA-1-less kernel, then we can make
Secure Launch depend on that until such time as the hardware ecosystem
has caught up.
~Andrew
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 04:05, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>
> On 15/02/2024 8:17 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 23:31, Ross Philipson
> > wrote:
> >> From: "Daniel P. Smith"
> >>
> >> The SHA algorithms are necessary to measure configuration information into
> >> the TPM as early as possible before using the values. This implementation
> >> uses the established approach of #including the SHA libraries directly in
> >> the code since the compressed kernel is not uncompressed at this point.
> >>
> >> The SHA code here has its origins in the code from the main kernel:
> >>
> >> commit c4d5b9ffa31f ("crypto: sha1 - implement base layer for SHA-1")
> >>
> >> A modified version of this code was introduced to the lib/crypto/sha1.c
> >> to bring it in line with the sha256 code and allow it to be pulled into the
> >> setup kernel in the same manner as sha256 is.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Smith
> >> Signed-off-by: Ross Philipson
> > We have had some discussions about this, and you really need to
> > capture the justification in the commit log for introducing new code
> > that implements an obsolete and broken hashing algorithm.
> >
> > SHA-1 is broken and should no longer be used for anything. Introducing
> > new support for a highly complex boot security feature, and then
> > relying on SHA-1 in the implementation makes this whole effort seem
> > almost futile, *unless* you provide some rock solid reasons here why
> > this is still safe.
> >
> > If the upshot would be that some people are stuck with SHA-1 so they
> > won't be able to use this feature, then I'm not convinced we should
> > obsess over that.
>
> To be absolutely crystal clear here.
>
> The choice of hash algorithm(s) are determined by the OEM and the
> platform, not by Linux.
>
> Failing to (at least) cap a PCR in a bank which the OEM/platform left
> active is a security vulnerability. It permits the unsealing of secrets
> if an attacker can replay a good set of measurements into an unused bank.
>
> The only way to get rid of the requirement for SHA-1 here is to lobby
> the IHVs/OEMs, or perhaps the TCG, to produce/spec a platform where the
> SHA-1 banks can be disabled. There are no known such platforms in the
> market today, to the best of our knowledge.
>
OK, so mainline Linux does not support secure launch at all today. At
this point, we need to decide whether or not tomorrow's mainline Linux
will support secure launch with SHA1 or without, right?
And the point you are making here is that we need SHA-1 not only to a)
support systems that are on TPM 1.2 and support nothing else, but also
to b) ensure that crypto agile TPM 2.0 with both SHA-1 and SHA-256
enabled can be supported in a safe manner, which would involve
measuring some terminating event into the SHA-1 PCRs to ensure they
are not left in a dangling state that might allow an adversary to
trick the TPM into unsealing a secret that it shouldn't.
So can we support b) without a), and if so, does measuring an
arbitrary dummy event into a PCR that is only meant to keep sealed
forever really require a SHA-1 implementation, or could we just use an
arbitrary (not even random) sequence of 160 bits and use that instead?
Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On 15/02/2024 8:17 am, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 23:31, Ross Philipson
> wrote:
>> From: "Daniel P. Smith"
>>
>> The SHA algorithms are necessary to measure configuration information into
>> the TPM as early as possible before using the values. This implementation
>> uses the established approach of #including the SHA libraries directly in
>> the code since the compressed kernel is not uncompressed at this point.
>>
>> The SHA code here has its origins in the code from the main kernel:
>>
>> commit c4d5b9ffa31f ("crypto: sha1 - implement base layer for SHA-1")
>>
>> A modified version of this code was introduced to the lib/crypto/sha1.c
>> to bring it in line with the sha256 code and allow it to be pulled into the
>> setup kernel in the same manner as sha256 is.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Smith
>> Signed-off-by: Ross Philipson
> We have had some discussions about this, and you really need to
> capture the justification in the commit log for introducing new code
> that implements an obsolete and broken hashing algorithm.
>
> SHA-1 is broken and should no longer be used for anything. Introducing
> new support for a highly complex boot security feature, and then
> relying on SHA-1 in the implementation makes this whole effort seem
> almost futile, *unless* you provide some rock solid reasons here why
> this is still safe.
>
> If the upshot would be that some people are stuck with SHA-1 so they
> won't be able to use this feature, then I'm not convinced we should
> obsess over that.
To be absolutely crystal clear here.
The choice of hash algorithm(s) are determined by the OEM and the
platform, not by Linux.
Failing to (at least) cap a PCR in a bank which the OEM/platform left
active is a security vulnerability. It permits the unsealing of secrets
if an attacker can replay a good set of measurements into an unused bank.
The only way to get rid of the requirement for SHA-1 here is to lobby
the IHVs/OEMs, or perhaps the TCG, to produce/spec a platform where the
SHA-1 banks can be disabled. There are no known such platforms in the
market today, to the best of our knowledge.
~Andrew
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Re: [PATCH v8 06/15] x86: Add early SHA support for Secure Launch early measurements
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 23:31, Ross Philipson wrote:
>
> From: "Daniel P. Smith"
>
> The SHA algorithms are necessary to measure configuration information into
> the TPM as early as possible before using the values. This implementation
> uses the established approach of #including the SHA libraries directly in
> the code since the compressed kernel is not uncompressed at this point.
>
> The SHA code here has its origins in the code from the main kernel:
>
> commit c4d5b9ffa31f ("crypto: sha1 - implement base layer for SHA-1")
>
> A modified version of this code was introduced to the lib/crypto/sha1.c
> to bring it in line with the sha256 code and allow it to be pulled into the
> setup kernel in the same manner as sha256 is.
>
> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Smith
> Signed-off-by: Ross Philipson
We have had some discussions about this, and you really need to
capture the justification in the commit log for introducing new code
that implements an obsolete and broken hashing algorithm.
SHA-1 is broken and should no longer be used for anything. Introducing
new support for a highly complex boot security feature, and then
relying on SHA-1 in the implementation makes this whole effort seem
almost futile, *unless* you provide some rock solid reasons here why
this is still safe.
If the upshot would be that some people are stuck with SHA-1 so they
won't be able to use this feature, then I'm not convinced we should
obsess over that.
> ---
> arch/x86/boot/compressed/Makefile | 2 +
> arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha1.c | 12
> arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha256.c | 6 ++
> include/crypto/sha1.h | 1 +
> lib/crypto/sha1.c | 81 +
This needs to be a separate patch in any case.
> 5 files changed, 102 insertions(+)
> create mode 100644 arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha1.c
> create mode 100644 arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha256.c
>
> diff --git a/arch/x86/boot/compressed/Makefile
> b/arch/x86/boot/compressed/Makefile
> index f19c038409aa..a1b018eb9801 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/boot/compressed/Makefile
> +++ b/arch/x86/boot/compressed/Makefile
> @@ -118,6 +118,8 @@ vmlinux-objs-$(CONFIG_EFI) += $(obj)/efi.o
> vmlinux-objs-$(CONFIG_EFI_MIXED) += $(obj)/efi_mixed.o
> vmlinux-objs-$(CONFIG_EFI_STUB) +=
> $(objtree)/drivers/firmware/efi/libstub/lib.a
>
> +vmlinux-objs-$(CONFIG_SECURE_LAUNCH) += $(obj)/early_sha1.o
> $(obj)/early_sha256.o
> +
> $(obj)/vmlinux: $(vmlinux-objs-y) FORCE
> $(call if_changed,ld)
>
> diff --git a/arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha1.c
> b/arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha1.c
> new file mode 100644
> index ..0c7cf6f8157a
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha1.c
> @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@
> +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +/*
> + * Copyright (c) 2022 Apertus Solutions, LLC.
> + */
> +
> +#include
> +#include
> +#include
> +#include
> +#include
> +
> +#include "../../../../lib/crypto/sha1.c"
> diff --git a/arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha256.c
> b/arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha256.c
> new file mode 100644
> index ..54930166ffee
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/arch/x86/boot/compressed/early_sha256.c
> @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@
> +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +/*
> + * Copyright (c) 2022 Apertus Solutions, LLC
> + */
> +
> +#include "../../../../lib/crypto/sha256.c"
> diff --git a/include/crypto/sha1.h b/include/crypto/sha1.h
> index 044ecea60ac8..d715dd5332e1 100644
> --- a/include/crypto/sha1.h
> +++ b/include/crypto/sha1.h
> @@ -42,5 +42,6 @@ extern int crypto_sha1_finup(struct shash_desc *desc, const
> u8 *data,
> #define SHA1_WORKSPACE_WORDS 16
> void sha1_init(__u32 *buf);
> void sha1_transform(__u32 *digest, const char *data, __u32 *W);
> +void sha1(const u8 *data, unsigned int len, u8 *out);
>
> #endif /* _CRYPTO_SHA1_H */
> diff --git a/lib/crypto/sha1.c b/lib/crypto/sha1.c
> index 1aebe7be9401..10152125b338 100644
> --- a/lib/crypto/sha1.c
> +++ b/lib/crypto/sha1.c
> @@ -137,4 +137,85 @@ void sha1_init(__u32 *buf)
> }
> EXPORT_SYMBOL(sha1_init);
>
> +static void __sha1_transform(u32 *digest, const char *data)
> +{
> + u32 ws[SHA1_WORKSPACE_WORDS];
> +
> + sha1_transform(digest, data, ws);
> +
> + memzero_explicit(ws, sizeof(ws));
> +}
> +
> +static void sha1_update(struct sha1_state *sctx, const u8 *data, unsigned
> int len)
> +{
> + unsigned int partial = sctx->count % SHA1_BLOCK_SIZE;
> +
> + sctx->count += len;
> +
> + if (likely((partial + len) >= SHA1_BLOCK_SIZE)) {
> + int blocks;
> +
> + if (partial) {
> + int p = SHA1_BLOCK_SIZE - partial;
> +
> + memcpy(sctx->buffer + partial, data, p);
> + data += p;
> + len -= p;
> +
> + __sha1_transform(sctx->state, sctx->buffer);
> + }
> +
> + blocks = len / SHA1_BLOCK_SIZE;
> +
