KR> Engine question

[Mark Langford]

Virg wrote:

>kens first KR-1  had a 36 Hp 1200cc engine

The more power you have, the safer the airplane, assuming the CG is properly 
set up.  Why?  Because you climb out quicker, clear obstacles sooner, and 
have more altitude margin for problems that crop up...such as a dropped 
cylinder, detonation, flaps left down, carb heat left on (see previous 
"detonation"), accidental downwind takeoff, birdstrike on the prop, seized 
crank (my personal favorite), and a long list of other crimes that you'll 
probably eventually commit during your flying career.  A 2180cc VW is a 
no-brainer, and Great Plains is the place to go for that.  See 
http://www.greatplainsas.com/ for details...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 

KR> Engine question

[Virgi N. Salisbury]

kens first KR-1  had a 36 Hp 1200cc engine, Virg



On 1/20/2011 7:08 PM, Larry Flesner wrote:
> At 05:29 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:
>
>> I have two vw engines that are 1500cc.  I read that it can be changed to a
>> 1600cc.  Is that going to be good enough for my kr2?
> ++
>
> Maybe for a light weight KR1 but I don't think you'll get enough
> power from a 1600 for safe performance in a KR2.  At best you'd be
> limited to a single place airplane even if it were light weight.  I
> think Ken Rand flew his first KR1 with a 1600.  I think the smallest
> VW engines you'll find in a KR2 is in the 1800 range.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> Engine question

[Russ Sing]

Thanks.  I have never rebuilt an engine.  I'm sure I will have plenty of 
questions.  So the engines I have can be upgraded to bigger 2180? Will that be 
just a rebuild kit for the 2180 or will it have to be completely different?

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Mexico, MO
573.253-4501
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From: "airgu...@comcast.net" 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 7:43:37 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Engine question

Great Plains if you go with the VW. Steve has years of experience. 
http://www.greatplainsas.com/ 


Paul OReilly 
KR2 Stretched 
N7970K 
Derry, NH 

- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Sing"  
To: "KRnet"  
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:40:10 PM 
Subject: Re: KR> Engine question 

Thanks.  Now I need to find a bigger engine.  Any business you would recommend? 




 Russell's Photography 
Mexico, MO 
573.253-4501 
http://www.russellsphotos.zenfolio.com 

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KR> Engine question

[Larry Flesner]

At 06:40 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:
>Thanks.  Now I need to find a bigger engine.  Any business you would 
>recommend?
+

Yes.  Steve Bennett, Great Plains.  He is on this net. 
http://www.greatplainsas.com/

Larry Flesner

KR> Engine question

[airgu...@comcast.net]

Great Plains if you go with the VW. Steve has years of experience. 
http://www.greatplainsas.com/ 

Paul OReilly 
KR2 Stretched 
N7970K 
Derry, NH 

- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Sing"  
To: "KRnet"  
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:40:10 PM 
Subject: Re: KR> Engine question 

Thanks.  Now I need to find a bigger engine.  Any business you would recommend? 
  


 Russell's Photography 
Mexico, MO 
573.253-4501 
http://www.russellsphotos.zenfolio.com 

KR> Engine question

[R. Lee Jarvis]

Upgrading all the way up to 2180 is easily doable with your current engine 
by replacing cylinders and sometimes crankshaft - easy and not too 
expensive.


- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Sing" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Engine question


> Thanks.  Now I need to find a bigger engine.  Any business you would 
> recommend?
>
>
> Russell's Photography
> Mexico, MO
> 573.253-4501
> http://www.russellsphotos.zenfolio.com
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Dan Heath 
> To: KRnet 
> Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 6:23:48 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> Engine question
>
> No.  My first KR2 had an 1835, and it flew well with it.  However, if you
> could build it at 450 pounds or less, then you might get away with the 
> 1600.
> I don't think it will kill you, but you won't have very good climb.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
> There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
> -Original Message-
>
> 1600cc.  Is that going to be good enough for my kr2?
>
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KR> Trim Rings

[pk.sm...@bigpond.net.au]

 Dave Dunwoodie wrote: 

=
Someone, somewhere knows of someone, somewhere, that can make nice cuts 
in plastic that will give the panel the final touches.  Just simple 
rings that can be glued to the CF and cover the rough edges in it is all 
that I'm trying to do.
_
Dave, 
If you check out my blog I did similar to you. I used those red fibre washers 
under the heads of black hex-headed screws. I think they look great.
I'm not at home but I think my blog is http://kr2spacemodulator.blogspot.com/
Look for the instrument panel pages.

Paul
Brisbane, Australia.

KR> Engine question

[Russ Sing]

Thanks.  Now I need to find a bigger engine.  Any business you would recommend? 
 


 Russell's Photography
Mexico, MO
573.253-4501
http://www.russellsphotos.zenfolio.com





From: Dan Heath 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 6:23:48 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Engine question

No.  My first KR2 had an 1835, and it flew well with it.  However, if you
could build it at 450 pounds or less, then you might get away with the 1600.
I don't think it will kill you, but you won't have very good climb.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-

1600cc.  Is that going to be good enough for my kr2?


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KR> Trim Rings

[Johnny Cradduck]

I might be able to help you.  I am a mechanical/aerospace/electronics 
engineer/A/radome repairman/motorcycle-auto-aircraft 
enthusiast/designer/manufacturer/jack-of-all-trades.LOL  Also design/build/sell 
motorcycle accessories at  www.the-biker-toy-store.com.
 
Work has been almost non-existent for a few years and I am looking for any 
opportunities to work.    I could provide the rings you need in AL or ABS or 
molded plastic.
 
If you are interested contact me at j.cradd...@sbcglobal.net if you prefer.  I 
do not want to turn this site into a commercial for me.
 
Circumstances force me to give up building a KR.
 
Thanks
 
Johnny

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Dave Dunwoodie  wrote:


From: Dave Dunwoodie 
Subject: KR> Trim Rings
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 5:38 PM


When all you get are blank stares when you ask about a bolt, you go to 
the KR list, and here I am!!!

I built a new panel for my KR2 using aluminum, covered by carbon fiber 
for the face.  It is VERY pretty, however because the CF is on top of 
the instruments, one can see the rough edges of the holes cut into the CF.

I have been searching for months to find a company (or someone) that can 
cut some simple trim rings out of plastic, aluminum, etc.  I'm coming up 
dry.

In a nutshell, the rings would be 2.25 or 3.125 ID, and about 1/8" wide, 
and maybe a max. of 1/16" thick.  Just precision cut rings out of some 
cheap, black plastic would be excellent!

Someone, somewhere knows of someone, somewhere, that can make nice cuts 
in plastic that will give the panel the final touches.  Just simple 
rings that can be glued to the CF and cover the rough edges in it is all 
that I'm trying to do.

Can anybody help me?

Thanks!

Also, if anybody needs to see the pictures of where we are right now, 
please advise and I'll send them to you.

Dave
N1199P


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KR> Engine question

[Dan Heath]

No.  My first KR2 had an 1835, and it flew well with it.  However, if you
could build it at 450 pounds or less, then you might get away with the 1600.
I don't think it will kill you, but you won't have very good climb.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-

1600cc.  Is that going to be good enough for my kr2?

KR> Engine question

[Larry Flesner]

At 05:29 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:

>I have two vw engines that are 1500cc.  I read that it can be changed to a
>1600cc.  Is that going to be good enough for my kr2?
++

Maybe for a light weight KR1 but I don't think you'll get enough 
power from a 1600 for safe performance in a KR2.  At best you'd be 
limited to a single place airplane even if it were light weight.  I 
think Ken Rand flew his first KR1 with a 1600.  I think the smallest 
VW engines you'll find in a KR2 is in the 1800 range.

Larry Flesner

KR> Trim Rings

[Donald Greer]

Dave,

Got a couple of suggestions for you.

First, you could have the rings waterjet cut.  This method allows you  
a variety of materials to choose from since they will be cut from flat  
material.

Second, if the right size of plastic (Delrin works well) or aluminum  
pipe can be had, you could get them turned on a lathe.

Hope this helps,

Don Greer
Belleville, Ontario


On 20-Jan-11, at 6:38 PM, Dave Dunwoodie wrote:

> When all you get are blank stares when you ask about a bolt, you go to
> the KR list, and here I am!!!
>
> I built a new panel for my KR2 using aluminum, covered by carbon fiber
> for the face.  It is VERY pretty, however because the CF is on top of
> the instruments, one can see the rough edges of the holes cut into  
> the CF.
>
> I have been searching for months to find a company (or someone) that  
> can
> cut some simple trim rings out of plastic, aluminum, etc.  I'm  
> coming up
> dry.
>
> In a nutshell, the rings would be 2.25 or 3.125 ID, and about 1/8"  
> wide,
> and maybe a max. of 1/16" thick.  Just precision cut rings out of some
> cheap, black plastic would be excellent!
>
> Someone, somewhere knows of someone, somewhere, that can make nice  
> cuts
> in plastic that will give the panel the final touches.  Just simple
> rings that can be glued to the CF and cover the rough edges in it is  
> all
> that I'm trying to do.
>
> Can anybody help me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Also, if anybody needs to see the pictures of where we are right now,
> please advise and I'll send them to you.
>
> Dave
> N1199P
>
>
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KR> Trim Rings

[Larry Flesner]

At 05:38 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote:
>I have been searching for months to find a company (or someone) that can
>cut some simple trim rings out of plastic, aluminum, etc.  I'm coming up
>dry.
++

Would rings cut from vinyl, as in vinyl trim, work?  I'm sure there 
are several shops in your area that make the little vinyl cutouts 
that people stick on their car windows, etc.  that could cut rings if 
given the information for programing the cutter.  Even my neighbor 
that does the hats and shirts for the "Gathering has a vinyl 
cutter.  They are everywhere. :-) You could probably even use 
different colors for different instrument groups.  Experimental is great !

Larry Flesner

RE: KR> powdercoating parts

[Jon Finley]

I understand that powder coating aluminum parts can severly reduce their 
strength (depending on the alloy and temperature used) due to the heating 
process.  I don't have any references at hand but I would study this before 
coating strength critical aluminum parts.

Jon

-Original Message-
From: "Randy Smith" 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:45pm
To: "KRnet" 
Subject: RE: KR> powdercoating parts

I had my engine mount and retractable gear legs on my 47 Bellanca Cruiseair 
powder coated when I restored the plane in 2000. I was told that cracks would 
not show by some but the APIA I used said it was alright. A year ago I had oil 
on the floor below my gear. I pulled the gear and with no trouble found the 
gear cracked at the top. Cleaned it off welded it and had the gear powder 
coated again.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Mark  wrote:

KR> powdercoating parts

[Randy Smith]

I am not sure about weight. A friend is in the business and I work on his A/C 
units. I have to move the boxes of color when I do and the box is about 12x12 
and seems lighter than a can of paint. Powder coat is just basically small 
plastic balls

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, mylittle...@yahoo.com  wrote:


From: mylittle...@yahoo.com 
Subject: Re: KR> powdercoating parts
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:23 PM


Yes and no powder coat is heavier then paint but because of less processes it 
is lighter then painting if the painting is done right. No primer needed for 
powder coat.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Dan Heath" 
Sender: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:19:14 
To: 'KRnet'
Reply-To: KRnet 
Subject: RE: KR> powdercoating parts

I have heard that Powder Coat is significantly heavier than paint.  Is that
true?

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



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KR> Trim Rings

[Jose Fuentes]

Just out of wonder why the CF? Is it for looks?

I used a paint called Hammered something or other, it makes a really nice
textured pattern on the metal and looks really nice.

Joe

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Dave Dunwoodie wrote:

> When all you get are blank stares when you ask about a bolt, you go to
> the KR list, and here I am!!!
>
> I built a new panel for my KR2 using aluminum, covered by carbon fiber
> for the face.  It is VERY pretty, however because the CF is on top of
> the instruments, one can see the rough edges of the holes cut into the CF.
>
> I have been searching for months to find a company (or someone) that can
> cut some simple trim rings out of plastic, aluminum, etc.  I'm coming up
> dry.
>
> In a nutshell, the rings would be 2.25 or 3.125 ID, and about 1/8" wide,
> and maybe a max. of 1/16" thick.  Just precision cut rings out of some
> cheap, black plastic would be excellent!
>
> Someone, somewhere knows of someone, somewhere, that can make nice cuts
> in plastic that will give the panel the final touches.  Just simple
> rings that can be glued to the CF and cover the rough edges in it is all
> that I'm trying to do.
>
> Can anybody help me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Also, if anybody needs to see the pictures of where we are right now,
> please advise and I'll send them to you.
>
> Dave
> N1199P
>
>
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Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's
Group
Former Microsoft MVP
http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes

KR> powdercoating parts

[Randy Smith]

I had my engine mount and retractable gear legs on my 47 Bellanca Cruiseair 
powder coated when I restored the plane in 2000. I was told that cracks would 
not show by some but the APIA I used said it was alright. A year ago I had oil 
on the floor below my gear. I pulled the gear and with no trouble found the 
gear cracked at the top. Cleaned it off welded it and had the gear powder 
coated again.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Mark  wrote:


From: Mark 
Subject: RE: KR> powder coating parts
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 6:57 PM


My recommendation would be to magnaflux your components before powder
coating. Most powder coating materials that I have used are thin enough and
brittle enough that you will have cosmetic issues with the powder coating if
you have stress cracks or excessive deflection. Motorcycle frames, drag car
(funny and top fuel) frames are frequently powder coated because it takes a
lot of chemical abuse, looks good, and doesn't have the inherent process
induced stresses caused by electroplating (think chrome).

Another el-cheapo powder coating system is to find a used commercial gas
oven and vent it properly; better and more uniform temperature control as
well. With the right oven, you could even powder coat an engine mount.

Mark W.
N952MW (res)

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+markwegmet=charter@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+markwegmet=charter@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Tony
King
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:03 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> powdercoating parts

I've been told (by someone who seems to know what he's talking about but may
not be an authority) that powder coating is not a good idea for structural
parts because cracks, particularly around welds, may be hidden by the powder
coating.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

Tony King
Queensland Australia

On 19 January 2011 08:55, Craig Williams  wrote:

> Anyone else built an el-cheapo powdercoat system.  I love mine.
>
> http://www.kr2seafury.com/2.html
>
> Craig
> www.kr2seafury.com
>
>
>
>
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KR> Trim Rings

[Dave Dunwoodie]

When all you get are blank stares when you ask about a bolt, you go to 
the KR list, and here I am!!!

I built a new panel for my KR2 using aluminum, covered by carbon fiber 
for the face.  It is VERY pretty, however because the CF is on top of 
the instruments, one can see the rough edges of the holes cut into the CF.

I have been searching for months to find a company (or someone) that can 
cut some simple trim rings out of plastic, aluminum, etc.  I'm coming up 
dry.

In a nutshell, the rings would be 2.25 or 3.125 ID, and about 1/8" wide, 
and maybe a max. of 1/16" thick.  Just precision cut rings out of some 
cheap, black plastic would be excellent!

Someone, somewhere knows of someone, somewhere, that can make nice cuts 
in plastic that will give the panel the final touches.  Just simple 
rings that can be glued to the CF and cover the rough edges in it is all 
that I'm trying to do.

Can anybody help me?

Thanks!

Also, if anybody needs to see the pictures of where we are right now, 
please advise and I'll send them to you.

Dave
N1199P

KR> Engine question

[Russ Sing]

I have two vw engines that are 1500cc.  I read that it can be changed to a 
1600cc.  Is that going to be good enough for my kr2?

thank you

 Russell's Photography
Mexico, MO
573.253-4501
http://www.russellsphotos.zenfolio.com

KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 20

[ELVIS GOLDEN]

My 
My recommendation would be to magnaflux your components before powder
coating. Most powder coating materials that I have used are thin enough and
brittle enough that you will have cosmetic issues with the powder coating if
you have stress cracks or excessive deflection. Motorcycle frames, drag car
(funny and top fuel) frames are frequently powder coated because it takes a
lot of chemical abuse, looks good, and doesn't have the inherent process
induced stresses caused by electroplating (think chrome).

Another el-cheapo powder coating system is to find a used commercial gas
oven and vent it properly; better and more uniform temperature control as
well. With the right oven, you could even powder coat an engine mount.

Mark W.
N952MW (res)

In drag racing frames and roll cages are not painted or powder coated on the 
professional level. you need to see in defects and it adds weight to the car. 
Top fuel, funny car, pro mod etc. frames are cleaned with brake cleaner and 
wiped down with oil.