KR> LSA Certified ?

[Benjamin Smith]

On Wednesday 18 April 2007, raybeth...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>Kr Netters,
>I hesitate to bring this up again, but
> I should be ready to have my Kr2s inspected in 2 or 3 months. I 
don't  know
> if it is possible to get the plane listed as LSA. How do you know if the 
stall speed
> will be low enough before you fly it? I do have an 1835 VW engine. I do have 
Diehl
> wing skins. My empty weight should be close to 650 lbs. I am 83, have never 
flown
> in a KR2S. I passed my FAA medical 2 years ago and am still in good health. 
The
> main advantage to having my Kr2S  as an LSA would be not having to bother 
with
> the medical. It also might be an advantage  when selling. Has any KR ever 
been
> certified LSA?

Kudos on passing your medical at 80+ years! I'm 34 and already have to be 
careful with my lifestyle choices to stay in the green... 

I'd suggest getting your class 3 medical one more time until you've worked out 
the kinks in your plane. That way you are assured to not have any problems. 
Then, once you've confirmed that you have the right speed and stall 
characteristics, then revert to LSA. 

I wouldn't bother getting your plane certificated LSA - AFAIK there's not any 
particular advantage in doing so. If your medical is actually expired, (class 
3 s/b good for 2 years, no?) another possibility might be to get another 
pilot to go with you on the first flights while you are determining the 
actual flight characteristics... 

-Ben 

-- 
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your 
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long 
to return." 
-- Leonardo da Vinci

KR> LSA Certified ?

[Ed Janssen]

David,

There is at least one significant advantage to registering your plane as an
E-LSA.  If you should sell your E-LSA, the new owner may do his own annual
condition inspection provided he takes the appropriate steps (16 hour
course, being one) to get a Repairman's Certificate with Inspection Rating.
This could cost much less than annually hiring an A or other properly
rated inspector to do it.

Ed Janssen

> There is no advantage to trying to register your KR LSA.
>
> David Mikesell

KR> LSA Certified ?

[D Lively]

ED & David:

That is probably true.

Don
- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Janssen" <ejans...@chipsnet.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> LSA Certified ?


> David,
>
> There is at least one significant advantage to registering your plane as 
> an
> E-LSA.  If you should sell your E-LSA, the new owner may do his own annual
> condition inspection provided he takes the appropriate steps (16 hour
> course, being one) to get a Repairman's Certificate with Inspection 
> Rating.
> This could cost much less than annually hiring an A or other properly
> rated inspector to do it.
>
> Ed Janssen
>
>> There is no advantage to trying to register your KR LSA.
>>
>> David Mikesell
>
>
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KR> LSA Certified ?

[rahu...@peoplepc.com]

Below are clips form the EAA website on Sport Pilots
http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/lsa/likely_lsa.html

"Experimental light-sport aircraft
Experimental light-sport aircraft (E-LSA) may be flown by sport pilots.
E-LSA kits that do not conform to amateur-built certification requirements
and will be certificated in the E-LSA category must be based on an aircraft
that has received a special LSA (S-LSA) airworthiness certificate. E-LSA
must be operated in accordance with the operating limitations issued to the
aircraft at the time it receives its airworthiness certification. It must be
maintained in accordance with regulations as they apply to E-LSA. Its annual
condition inspection may be conducted by an LSA repairman with an inspection
rating, an LSA repairman with a maintenance rating, an airframe and
powerplant (A) mechanic, or a certified repair station."

Please note that the aircraft has to be based on a aircraft that has an
S-LSA airworthiness certificate - Rand-Robinson has not received such a
certificate for the KR-2. So I don't think that an E-LSA is an option for a
plans built KR.

However the KR can be certified as an amateur built and flown as an LSA

"Experimental amateur-built aircraft
Experimental amateur-built aircraft that meet the definition of an LSA may
be flown by sport pilots. The aircraft is certificated as experimental
amateur-built and must be operated in accordance with the operating
limitations issued to the aircraft at the time it receives its airworthiness
certification. It must be maintained and inspected in accordance with
regulations as they pertain to amateur-built aircraft. Its annual condition
inspection may be performed by the original primary builder if he/she holds
the repairman certificate for the aircraft, an A mechanic, or a certified
repair station."




Rick Human
Houston, Texas
- Original Message -
From: "Ed Janssen" <ejans...@chipsnet.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> LSA Certified ?


> David,
>
> There is at least one significant advantage to registering your plane as
an
> E-LSA.  If you should sell your E-LSA, the new owner may do his own annual
> condition inspection provided he takes the appropriate steps (16 hour
> course, being one) to get a Repairman's Certificate with Inspection
Rating.
> This could cost much less than annually hiring an A or other properly
> rated inspector to do it.
>
> Ed Janssen
>
> > There is no advantage to trying to register your KR LSA.
> >
> > David Mikesell
>
>
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KR> LSA Certified ?

[Dan Heath]

You might want to check this out.  It may answer all your questions on that
subject.

http://krbuilder.org/LightSportKR/index.html 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

   I hesitate to bring this up again, but
   Has any KR ever been
certified LSA?

KR> LSA Certified ?

[Larry Flesner]

At 01:11 PM 4/18/2007, you wrote:
>another possibility might be to get another
>pilot to go with you on the first flights while you are determining the
>actual flight characteristics...
>
>-Ben
+

Besides being against the reg's, it's probably not a good idea.
The only authorized souls on board during the test phase are
those required for operation of the aircraft.  I'm not sure you could
convince anyone that it takes two people to fly a KR.  Also, until the
aircraft is proven and you work up to a two souls on board condition
using dead weight, I'd not recommend flying a KR with two on board.
The extra body can / will make a considerable difference in handling.

I admire you still going after your dream at 80 years of age.  Do be
careful with your physical if you intend to fly as a Light Sport Pilot.
My understanding is that if you fail an FAA physical you are not able
to "self certify" until the condition is corrected and / or you are capable
of passing the physical.  Most people I know that fly LSP just let their
last physical laps and go fly.  I would clear it with or advise your insurance
company of your intentions and make sure you are legal.

As for the KR,  you might consider certifying it as something other then
a KR, i.e. Harry Jones Special, do the flight testing and have the test
numbers show it meets the requirements for a LS pilot.

I'm not advising you to do that but you might research the possibilities.
This e-mail will automatically delete in 10 seconds ! :-)

Larry Flesner

KR> LSA Certified ?

[Colin Rainey]

 I hesitate to bring this up again, but
I should be ready to have my Kr2s inspected in 2 or 3 months. I
don't  know
if it is possible to get the plane listed as LSA.

Ray and Netters
Since your version of the plane is unknown how it will perform, you will
have to test and prove that it performs within the LSA window. It may be a
situation that only when flown solo, can the plane fly within the LSA
criteria allowing a Sport Pilot to fly it due to stall speed etc...

The key here will be DOCUMENTATION! Lots of it. They will only believe what
they feel has truly been tested and proven, so the more documentation the
better.

Otherwise plan to use/get a PPL...

Colin Rainey
brokerpi...@bellsouth.net 

KR> LSA Certified ?

[raybeth...@sbcglobal.net]

   Kr Netters,
   I hesitate to bring this up again, but
I should be ready to have my Kr2s inspected in 2 or 3 months. I don't  
know
if it is possible to get the plane listed as LSA. How do you know if the stall 
speed
will be low enough before you fly it? I do have an 1835 VW engine. I do have 
Diehl
wing skins. My empty weight should be close to 650 lbs. I am 83, have never 
flown
in a KR2S. I passed my FAA medical 2 years ago and am still in good health. The
main advantage to having my Kr2S  as an LSA would be not having to bother with
the medical. It also might be an advantage  when selling. Has any KR ever been
certified LSA?
 
Ray Goree
  
Arlington, Texas
Ray Goree
817-795-4779

KR> LSA Certified ?

[Sheena Toor]

A  LIGHT SPORT PILOT may fly any plane that meets the criteria, this 
includes experiemntal, E-LSA, S-LSA and Certified airplanes.

You can fly a CUB, Aeronca and such as a Light Sport Pilot. You don't 
de-register the plane from Certified to LSA, you just fly it.

There is no advantage to trying to register your KR LSA.

David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-224-4485
skyguy...@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
- Original Message - 
From: <raybeth...@sbcglobal.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:41 AM
Subject: KR> LSA Certified ?


>   Kr Netters,
>   I hesitate to bring this up again, but
>I should be ready to have my Kr2s inspected in 2 or 3 months. I 
> don't  know
> if it is possible to get the plane listed as LSA. How do you know if the 
> stall speed
> will be low enough before you fly it? I do have an 1835 VW engine. I do 
> have Diehl
> wing skins. My empty weight should be close to 650 lbs. I am 83, have 
> never flown
> in a KR2S. I passed my FAA medical 2 years ago and am still in good 
> health. The
> main advantage to having my Kr2S  as an LSA would be not having to bother 
> with
> the medical. It also might be an advantage  when selling. Has any KR ever 
> been
> certified LSA?
> 
> Ray Goree
> 
> Arlington, Texas
> Ray Goree
> 817-795-4779
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KR> LSA Certified ?

[D Lively]

Ray:

The key yrom my understanding is that it operate within the "Sport Plane" 
requirements and that you should be prepared to satisfy to the inspector that 
it within the requirements at the time of the inspection.

1)  Max. level flight speed 138 mph
2)  Max Stall Speed, clean, 51 mph
3)  Fixed Gear
4)  Fixed or ground adjustable Prop
5)  Max Gross Weight 1320 or not in excess of that which pushes #2 above 51 mph 

The KR easily fits all but #1 & #2.  Your Engine and prop selection easily will 
assure #1 and by far the most difficult to meet is #2.  Stall speed is a 
function of wing loading and the Diehl wings give you a larger wing area which 
will lower your wing loading (Gross Wt/ Wing Area).  I had found a program  on 
the net that I lost track of and can not find that I used for my KR2 with "S" 
wings that determined my max. gross wt. would be limited to 886# which is not 
bad as the plans say 900#.  I know this little program is out on the net but 
finding it again is another issue.  I have noted that several KR's have been 
built with smaller engines that do seem to meet the requirements but most do 
not because they are built with larger engines and higher gross weights.  The 
original design was as a retract gear craft which was probably a primary reason 
for it not making the list.

Don Lively



- Original Message - 
From: <raybeth...@sbcglobal.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: KR> LSA Certified ?


>   Kr Netters,
>   I hesitate to bring this up again, but
>I should be ready to have my Kr2s inspected in 2 or 3 months. I don't  
> know
> if it is possible to get the plane listed as LSA. How do you know if the 
> stall speed
> will be low enough before you fly it? I do have an 1835 VW engine. I do have 
> Diehl
> wing skins. My empty weight should be close to 650 lbs. I am 83, have never 
> flown
> in a KR2S. I passed my FAA medical 2 years ago and am still in good health. 
> The
> main advantage to having my Kr2S  as an LSA would be not having to bother with
> the medical. It also might be an advantage  when selling. Has any KR ever been
> certified LSA?
> 
> Ray Goree
>  
> Arlington, Texas
> Ray Goree
> 817-795-4779
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