KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Robert Morrissey]

Mark: Please put me down for seals.
Bob Morrissey
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com>
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: KR> Mylar Gap Seals


> Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder and
> horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can be greatly
> enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the gaps on the
> bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the new AS50xx
airfoil.
> The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar strips.
The
> Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with 3M
#444
> double sided tape. Here is the dilemma. So far I have only been able to
> locate the .010 Mylar in sheets 24" x 48" and the company that sells it
has
> a $100 minimum. That means at $7.41 per sheet we would have to buy 14
> sheets. That is a lot of gap sealing material. Solution: Group buy!!! Is
> anyone interested in going in on this with me and Mark Langford? I figure
we
> could cut the sheets in strips four inches wide and that would give us 84
> strips 48" long for a total 336 feet of 4" wide strips. Now there is no
way
> two of us will ever use that much gap seal material so what do ya say...
> anybody else want in on this? If anyone else knows where we can buy this
in
> lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up. So you ask,
what
> is your cost? Depends on how many people want in on this. Ten folks,
fifteen
> bucks each. Twenty people, ten bucks each. This includes shipping cost to
> you. You will receive enough Mylar to do your ailerons (four 4" x 48"
> strips). Additional strips available at additional cost.  All of the Mylar
> that is left over will be donated to the Prop Bank and sold in the future
to
> those that need it and those proceeds will be deposited in the Prop Bank
> funds. You will be responsible for getting your own double sided tape.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
>
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KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Mark Jones]

Again everyone. the group buy is off for the Mylar. Eric Pitts led us to a
company which sells it very cheap and you can order it direct. 12 feet x 11
1/4 inches for $10.80. That will be plenty for you to have a reserve for
later when it needs to be replaced. Here is the link again.
http://www.surplussales.com/RF/RFTeflon-Mylar_sht.html When I ordered mine,
I had it in two days.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Morrissey" <cam...@earthlink.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Mylar Gap Seals


> Mark: Please put me down for seals.
> Bob Morrissey
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com>
> To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:42 AM
> Subject: KR> Mylar Gap Seals
>
>
> > Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder and
> > horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can be
greatly
> > enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the gaps on
the
> > bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the new AS50xx
> airfoil.
> > The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar strips.
> The
> > Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with 3M
> #444
> > double sided tape. Here is the dilemma. So far I have only been able to
> > locate the .010 Mylar in sheets 24" x 48" and the company that sells it
> has
> > a $100 minimum. That means at $7.41 per sheet we would have to buy 14
> > sheets. That is a lot of gap sealing material. Solution: Group buy!!! Is
> > anyone interested in going in on this with me and Mark Langford? I
figure
> we
> > could cut the sheets in strips four inches wide and that would give us
84
> > strips 48" long for a total 336 feet of 4" wide strips. Now there is no
> way
> > two of us will ever use that much gap seal material so what do ya say...
> > anybody else want in on this? If anyone else knows where we can buy this
> in
> > lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up. So you ask,
> what
> > is your cost? Depends on how many people want in on this. Ten folks,
> fifteen
> > bucks each. Twenty people, ten bucks each. This includes shipping cost
to
> > you. You will receive enough Mylar to do your ailerons (four 4" x 48"
> > strips). Additional strips available at additional cost.  All of the
Mylar
> > that is left over will be donated to the Prop Bank and sold in the
future
> to
> > those that need it and those proceeds will be deposited in the Prop Bank
> > funds. You will be responsible for getting your own double sided tape.
> >
> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> > Wales, WI
> >
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>
>
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KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Mark Jones]

Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder and
horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can be greatly
enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the gaps on the
bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the new AS50xx airfoil.
The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar strips. The
Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with 3M #444
double sided tape. Here is the dilemma. So far I have only been able to
locate the .010 Mylar in sheets 24" x 48" and the company that sells it has
a $100 minimum. That means at $7.41 per sheet we would have to buy 14
sheets. That is a lot of gap sealing material. Solution: Group buy!!! Is
anyone interested in going in on this with me and Mark Langford? I figure we
could cut the sheets in strips four inches wide and that would give us 84
strips 48" long for a total 336 feet of 4" wide strips. Now there is no way
two of us will ever use that much gap seal material so what do ya say...
anybody else want in on this? If anyone else knows where we can buy this in
lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up. So you ask, what
is your cost? Depends on how many people want in on this. Ten folks, fifteen
bucks each. Twenty people, ten bucks each. This includes shipping cost to
you. You will receive enough Mylar to do your ailerons (four 4" x 48"
strips). Additional strips available at additional cost.  All of the Mylar
that is left over will be donated to the Prop Bank and sold in the future to
those that need it and those proceeds will be deposited in the Prop Bank
funds. You will be responsible for getting your own double sided tape.

Mark Jones (N886MJ) 
Wales, WI

KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[raybeth...@sbcglobal.net]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com>
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: KR> Mylar Gap Seals


> Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder and
> horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can be greatly
> enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the gaps on the
> bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the new AS50xx 
> airfoil.
> The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar strips. 
> The
> Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with 3M 
> #444
> double sided tape. Here is the dilemma. So far I have only been able to
> locate the .010 Mylar in sheets 24" x 48" and the company that sells it 
> has
> a $100 minimum. That means at $7.41 per sheet we would have to buy 14
> sheets. That is a lot of gap sealing material. Solution: Group buy!!! Is
> anyone interested in going in on this with me and Mark Langford? I figure 
> we
> could cut the sheets in strips four inches wide and that would give us 84
> strips 48" long for a total 336 feet of 4" wide strips. Now there is no 
> way
> two of us will ever use that much gap seal material so what do ya say...
> anybody else want in on this? If anyone else knows where we can buy this 
> in
> lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up. So you ask, 
> what
> is your cost? Depends on how many people want in on this. Ten folks, 
> fifteen
> bucks each. Twenty people, ten bucks each. This includes shipping cost to
> you. You will receive enough Mylar to do your ailerons (four 4" x 48"
> strips). Additional strips available at additional cost.  All of the Mylar
> that is left over will be donated to the Prop Bank and sold in the future 
> to
> those that need it and those proceeds will be deposited in the Prop Bank
> funds. You will be responsible for getting your own double sided tape.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
>
> ___
> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html 

Réf. : KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Serge VIDAL]

Mark,

Count me in if you are ready to ship to France.

Serge Vidal
Paris, France

KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Ron Butterfield]

Mark Jones wrote:
>  If anyone else knows where we can buy this in
>lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up.

This is untried, and I don't know if the cost per person is advantageous or 
not, but in the interest of diseminating information, here goes:

McMaster-Carr has an ultra high molecular weight polyethylene tape 
(hereafter known as UHMW) available that might well work in this 
application. It is available in .0045", .0065", and .0115" thicknesses, of 
which .0015" is adhesive. This is a very tough, slippery material, and the 
adhesive appears to be durable. It is available in widths of 1/2", 3/4", 
1", 2", 3" and 6" (not 4", unfortunately).

http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3197

I've used it for a bearing surface here at work, where we have a very heavy 
sliding door; I put it on the guide rail and it doesn't show any wear or 
signs of coming off after 7 years.

Will this work on a plane? I don't know. One hassle is that it has adhesive 
all the way across, and some way will have to be devised to keep it from 
binding on the aileron. If the thinner size is used, it could possibly be 
doubled on the half that is not meant to be stuck (kind of like a sideways J).


Regards,
RonB 

KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Jack Cooper]

Mark
You can count me in on a group buy of mylar.

Jack Cooper


> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Jones <mjo...@muellersales.com>
> To: KR Net <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 10/26/2004 8:42:24 AM
> Subject: KR> Mylar Gap Seals
>
> Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder and
> horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can be greatly
> enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the gaps on the
> bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the new AS50xx
airfoil.
> The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar strips.
The
> Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with 3M
#444
> double sided tape. Here is the dilemma. So far I have only been able to
> locate the .010 Mylar in sheets 24" x 48" and the company that sells it
has
> a $100 minimum. That means at $7.41 per sheet we would have to buy 14
> sheets. That is a lot of gap sealing material. Solution: Group buy!!! Is
> anyone interested in going in on this with me and Mark Langford? I figure
we
> could cut the sheets in strips four inches wide and that would give us 84
> strips 48" long for a total 336 feet of 4" wide strips. Now there is no
way
> two of us will ever use that much gap seal material so what do ya say...
> anybody else want in on this? If anyone else knows where we can buy this
in
> lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up. So you ask,
what
> is your cost? Depends on how many people want in on this. Ten folks,
fifteen
> bucks each. Twenty people, ten bucks each. This includes shipping cost to
> you. You will receive enough Mylar to do your ailerons (four 4" x 48"
> strips). Additional strips available at additional cost.  All of the Mylar
> that is left over will be donated to the Prop Bank and sold in the future
to
> those that need it and those proceeds will be deposited in the Prop Bank
> funds. You will be responsible for getting your own double sided tape.
>  
> Mark Jones (N886MJ) 
> Wales, WI
>  
> ___
> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[jscott.pi...@juno.com]

I won't argue that Troy saw an improvement in performance with the new wing, 
but I found no advantage to adding gap seals to the RAF 48 airfoil.  

Several years ago I tried the mylar film on my KR and carefully documented the 
performance with and without the gap seals.  In short, I found that it added 
nothing to the climb performance and nothing to the speed.  However, it did 
make the ailerons very heavy in flight.  If you have the RAF 48 wing, I would 
advise that if you want to try this, do your test flying first without it, then 
add the film later.  Check the archives for details from the testing.

Jeff Scott

-- Mark Jones  wrote:
Ever wanted to seal those gaps on your ailerons or even your rudder and
horizontal stabilizer? Troy Petteway has proven performance can be greatly
enhanced, especially your climb performance, if you close the gaps on the
bottom of your ailerons. This is especially true on the new AS50xx airfoil.
The best material we have found so far to do this with is Mylar strips. The
Mylar has a thickness of .010 (10 mil) and is held on the wing with 3M #444
double sided tape. 


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KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Allen Wiesner]

Count me in for at least 1 and possibly 2 sets.

Allen G. Wiesner  KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118
65 Franklin Street
Ansonia, CT  06401-1240

(203) 732-0508

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KR> Mylar Gap Seals REVISED

[Mark Jones]

Here is the deal.the group buy is off. Eric Pitts, one of the newest KR
family members has introduced me to a company where you may buy 11 ¼" wide
.010 Mylar at any length you want for .90 cents per foot up to 50 ft and .75
cents over 50 feet ($10 minimum). So, if you need gap seals, go to the site
below and order the length you need. Basically you will need to buy 12 feet
therefore you could split the order with a buddy since that would be plenty
to do four ailerons or two planes. Here is the link:
http://www.surplussales.com/RF/RFTeflon-Mylar_sht.html
 

Thanks Eric for making this simple.

Mark Jones
Mueller Sales Corporation
Ph: 262-781-5310
Fax:262-781-4130
E-mail: mjo...@muellersales.com  
Web: www.muellersales.com  

KR> Mylar Gap Seals REVISED

[David Mullins]

Mark,

Here is ther place that I bought my Precurved mylar gap seals:
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page28.htm

Dave Mullins
Nashua, New Hampshire


Mark Jones wrote:

>Here is the deal.the group buy is off. Eric Pitts, one of the newest KR
>family members has introduced me to a company where you may buy 11 ¼" wide
>.010 Mylar at any length you want for .90 cents per foot up to 50 ft and .75
>cents over 50 feet ($10 minimum). So, if you need gap seals, go to the site
>below and order the length you need. Basically you will need to buy 12 feet
>therefore you could split the order with a buddy since that would be plenty
>to do four ailerons or two planes. Here is the link:
>http://www.surplussales.com/RF/RFTeflon-Mylar_sht.html
> 
> 
>Thanks Eric for making this simple.
> 
>Mark Jones
>Mueller Sales Corporation
>Ph: 262-781-5310
>Fax:262-781-4130
>E-mail: mjo...@muellersales.com  
>Web: www.muellersales.com  
> 
> 
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>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
>
>  
>

KR> Mylar Gap Seals / idea - question

[Phil Matheson]

Another possible solution,
What about some of the great Model aircraft coverings, Very strong, made by 
many different companies.
some are heat shrink, others dope shrink., but do not shrink , but use you 
double sided tape
just my 2 cents worth.

Question

Is this fitted , so on full alieron travel, the material is tight across the 
bottom gap ?( if that makes sence)Can someone run over the fitting 
instructions for me PLEASE

Phil Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
VH-PKR  ( Phil's KR)
61 3 58833588
Australia.( Down Under)
See My KR2 Building Web Page at:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html

See our VW Engines and Home built web page at
http://www.vw-engines.com/
www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ 

KR> Mylar Gap Seals / idea - question

[Dan Heath]

There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering



And that is all I have to say about that!

KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[ifly...@aol.com]

COunt me in on one set and maybe two.  Bill  Clapp

KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Ron Eason]

I am using heavy weight drawing Mylar that I purchased from a drafting 
supply house, frosted on one side.  I am cutting it in strips and epoxying 
the strips in place after fiberglassing the parts [ rudder, horz. stabilizer 
and etc.]  I then used a little epoxy filler to dress the seams flush and 
sand smooth.  Mylar will take painting just fine.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Butterfield" <rbutterfi...@mebtel.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Mylar Gap Seals


> Mark Jones wrote:
>>  If anyone else knows where we can buy this in
>>lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up.
>
> This is untried, and I don't know if the cost per person is advantageous 
> or
> not, but in the interest of diseminating information, here goes:
>
> McMaster-Carr has an ultra high molecular weight polyethylene tape
> (hereafter known as UHMW) available that might well work in this
> application. It is available in .0045", .0065", and .0115" thicknesses, of
> which .0015" is adhesive. This is a very tough, slippery material, and the
> adhesive appears to be durable. It is available in widths of 1/2", 3/4",
> 1", 2", 3" and 6" (not 4", unfortunately).
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3197
>
> I've used it for a bearing surface here at work, where we have a very 
> heavy
> sliding door; I put it on the guide rail and it doesn't show any wear or
> signs of coming off after 7 years.
>
> Will this work on a plane? I don't know. One hassle is that it has 
> adhesive
> all the way across, and some way will have to be devised to keep it from
> binding on the aileron. If the thinner size is used, it could possibly be
> doubled on the half that is not meant to be stuck (kind of like a sideways 
> J).
>
>
> Regards,
> RonB
>
>
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>
>