KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet 
What are realistic stall speeds with flaps? 
Bob R

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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread Jeff Scott via KRnet 

 
Ron,

That's the way it's supposed to work... in theory.  The reality is that many 
FSDOs simply don't have the manpower to do amateur built inspections.  I have 
seen guys get held up for a year waiting on FSDO to do an inspection because 
they wouldn't cough up the $500+ travel expenses to pay a DAR.  It varies 
widely from region to region and from time to time. DARs are contractors and 
charge what they think is reasonable for their services.  Some are $200.  Some 
are $1000.  Some do good inspections.  Some will drive up in their motorhome 
with the boat on behind, sign the paperwork on the way by while heading for the 
lake and charge you travel time for it on top of their fees.  It's a real crap 
shoot.  However, it is a much better system than what we had prior to the rule 
changes in 1980.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

-
Why do you even need a DAR during the build?  3 visits, for what?  The FSDO in 
your city will come out for free if you can ahead and get on their schedule for 
a final inspection, which is all that is required (unless the rules have 
changed)??.
RonSt. Louis, MO



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Re: KR> Attachment hinge to firewall

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet 

At 07:35 AM 1/25/2017, you wrote:

I used screws to the firewall, not bolts though the firewall.

+++

The photo in my first post shows a single AN-3 bolt holding the 
attach bracket to the firewall with screws to check any rotation of 
the bracket.  I have found a number of the screws to loosen over the 
years.  If you use screws instead of bolts, check them for security 
from time to time.


Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> Attachment hinge to firewall

2017-01-25 Thread Robert7721 via KRnet 
Stef,


I used screws to the firewall, not bolts though the firewall. I did not hinge 
it, just attached it per plans with the recommended spacing. I see no reason 
that screws would not be sufficient.


Rob Schmitt
N1852Z




-Original Message-
From: Stef den Boer via KRnet 
To: krnet 
Cc: Stef den Boer 
Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2017 9:47 pm
Subject: KR> Attachment hinge to firewall

Hi guys,
I want to install the lower engine cowling with a hinge to the firewall. I want
to do this with small AN bolts thru the firewall. My problem is...you need very
wide hinges not to damage the frame frome the Side wall from the fuselage by
instelling the bolts. 
Or do you all used screws And go in to the Side frame? If you use this methode,
you can pre drill it at 10 mm from the Side.
Stef

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Re: KR> Attachment hinge to firewall

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet 

At 09:46 PM 1/24/2017, you wrote:
I want to install the lower engine cowling with a hinge to the 
firewall. I want
to do this with small AN bolts thru the firewall. My problem 
is...you need very

wide hinges not to damage the frame frome the Side wall from the fuselage by
instelling the bolts.

+++


Stef,

Measure the thickness of the cowl, the hinge, and then to the center 
of the opposing hinge.  You may find that the attach bolts miss or 
affects only the very edges of the sidewall member.  With only three 
or four bolts going through the firewall any degrading of structure 
should be minimal.  I have only three bolts each side holding on my 
bottom cowl and the top bolt doubles with the top cowl.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8083.JPG

Don't forget, I'm not an engineer and my advise is free...

Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> Flight Training

2017-01-25 Thread Randall Smith via KRnet 
The KR flies like anything else. I had people tell me all sorts of things when 
I first got mine flying and I had 10 hours tailwheel time had no problem at 
all. RV 4 will be just like a KR.

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:12 AM, Dan via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am new to the KR list. This is great information for me. I am considering 
> moving from the Yankee that I currently own as well as an Avid Flyer which is 
> even lighter on the controls and a tail dragger to a KR2. Sounds like I might 
> not have too much difficulty making the switch.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> League City, TX
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-boun...@list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Wright 
> via KRnet
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:03 PM
> To: KRnet
> Cc: Ronald Wright
> Subject: Re: KR> Flight Training
> 
> I would highly recommend the Yankee.  I owned one for years and it would be a 
> much better choice than an RV as they are too easy to fly.  The Yankee is 
> fairly quick on the controls, climbs like an anemic kid with a cold but does 
> act a lot like a KR except during landing where it sinks like a rock instead 
> of floating!!
> Just my .02..
> Ron
> 
>  From: Larry Flesner via KRnet 
> To: KRnet 
> Cc: Larry Flesner 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Flight Training
> 
> At 07:22 PM 1/24/2017, you wrote:
>> What aircraft can I fly that will prepare me for flying a KR2? Joe 
>> NunleyÂ
> ++
> 
> An F86 would be ideal.  If that's not available I'd go for one of the lower 
> numbered RV's, i.e. 
> 6,7,8.  The 10 is too big and heavy.  I've heard the Yankee might be good.  
> If you haven't flown much lately I'd suggest you get 10 hours in 30 days in 
> anything then go for a ride in something slick and light on the controls like 
> the RV series.  First flight in an experimental is not the way to get current 
> again.
> 
> Biggest thing to remember is rest you arm on your leg or similar, fly with 
> your wrist, relax, and fly it like any other airplane.  It will be quick and 
> lighter on the controls than most any other airplane but push the stick 
> forward for down, back for up, left for left wing down,  etc..  I can tell 
> you got the idea already
> 
> Larry Flesner 
> 
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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread Ronald Wright via KRnet 
Why do you even need a DAR during the build?  3 visits, for what?  The FSDO in 
your city will come out for free if you can ahead and get on their schedule for 
a final inspection, which is all that is required (unless the rules have 
changed)??.
RonSt. Louis, MO

  From: bjoenunley via KRnet 
 To: KRnet  
Cc: bjoenunley 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: KR> Archives
   
》DAR.  He charges $500 per 》inspection visit and usually takes 3 visits.
Our local DAR charges $600 and will only visit once.(although he is a friend so 
he has visited early in the process for free)
》To my surprise the 
》inspector was a helicopter pilot
Those helicopter pilots can be pretty good guys.

Joe Nunley Baker Florida 



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Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet 

At 05:59 PM 1/25/2017, you wrote:

What are realistic stall speeds with flaps?
Bob R



Too many variables, the biggest is your ASI.  Actual speed is 
probably in the 45 to 55 mph range depending on size of wing on your 
KR and weight.  On the first flight, after you get comfortable , go 
to altitude (your should already be there)  , in level flight slowly 
reduce power to idle and let the plane decelerate.  Have the 
altimeter  pegged on a number and hold it perfectly level.  As you 
approach the stall you will probably feel slight buffeting.  Note the 
indicated airspeed when the nose drops and recover.  Multiply the 
read by 1.3 and use that for your approach speed.


My KR gives it up at about 55 indicated but it is heavy and shorter 
then stock wings.  Light weight and longer Diehl type wings will be 
slower.  My approach speed with those numbers would be about 72 mph 
but it feels more comfortable at 80 mph with speed brake full out.  I 
get a bit of extra float and make wheel landings but can easily 
handle 2500 foot runways.  At less than 80 for me with speed brake 
out it slows rather quickly in the flare and things happen rather 
quickly from flare to touchdown.  I like to settle on like a feather, 
not like a belly flop at the swimming pool. 
:-)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgdgxVgPNAk  and go to the 2:40 
mark of the video.


You'll get to know the comfortable speed after a couple of landings.

Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread bjoenunley via KRnet 
》DAR.  He charges $500 per 》inspection visit and usually takes 3 visits.
Our local DAR charges $600 and will only visit once.(although he is a friend so 
he has visited early in the process for free)
》To my surprise the 
》inspector was a helicopter pilot
Those helicopter pilots can be pretty good guys.

Joe Nunley Baker Florida 



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Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet 
Great video Larry... I will be flying it off a grass strip. 
We have  2500 ft and also 3000 ft runways so hoping that will be fine but I 
will likely use it all.
Bob

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From: "Larry Flesner via KRnet" 
To: "KRnet" 
Cc: "Larry Flesner" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:41:18 PM
Subject: Re: KR> stall speed

At 05:59 PM 1/25/2017, you wrote:
>What are realistic stall speeds with flaps?
>Bob R


Too many variables, the biggest is your ASI.  Actual speed is 
probably in the 45 to 55 mph range depending on size of wing on your 
KR and weight.  On the first flight, after you get comfortable , go 
to altitude (your should already be there)  , in level flight slowly 
reduce power to idle and let the plane decelerate.  Have the 
altimeter  pegged on a number and hold it perfectly level.  As you 
approach the stall you will probably feel slight buffeting.  Note the 
indicated airspeed when the nose drops and recover.  Multiply the 
read by 1.3 and use that for your approach speed.

My KR gives it up at about 55 indicated but it is heavy and shorter 
then stock wings.  Light weight and longer Diehl type wings will be 
slower.  My approach speed with those numbers would be about 72 mph 
but it feels more comfortable at 80 mph with speed brake full out.  I 
get a bit of extra float and make wheel landings but can easily 
handle 2500 foot runways.  At less than 80 for me with speed brake 
out it slows rather quickly in the flare and things happen rather 
quickly from flare to touchdown.  I like to settle on like a feather, 
not like a belly flop at the swimming pool. 
:-)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgdgxVgPNAk  and go to the 2:40 
mark of the video.

You'll get to know the comfortable speed after a couple of landings.

Larry Flesner 


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KR> Harness (2) for Slick 4316 magneto

2017-01-25 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet 
There's a heck of a deal available on eBay just now.  Two harness sets
for the 4316 magneto, brand new, for $174.  These are the original gray
woven insulated outer sleeve made by Slick/Champion/Unison.  Fits 5/8's
plugs.  

I made an offer of $150 and free shipping . . . was hoping to steal them
. . . but was declined. 

I've been very close to buying them anyway.  At $174 they are a steal
already.  But they would end up sitting on a shelf in the hangar along
with all the other treasures I didn't need, don't need, and will never
need, but which I couldn't resist buying because they were such good
deals.

I've got a boxed, fresh Unison harness sitting on my desk in the hangar. 
I can't remember just now but I paid well over $200 for it a few months
ago.   So I will never need another harness for my 4316 this lifetime.  

I'll bet there's a bunch of KR's out there with Slick magnetos that could
use some new harness wires.  Slick/Champion/Unison original wires are
pricey - way more than $174 just for one set.  This deal includes TWO.  
Hard to resist it but I'm passing it on.  

eBay item number:  122320515070

Part#:  M2266

It's a But It Now listing with no ending date so it could disappear at
any moment.  If anyone needs some wires this is one to jump on.  

>From the eBay page:

Slick 4 Cylinder Magneto Harness, NEW, Set of 2

This is new inventory when FBO closed.
This is a set of 2 caps with 4 ignition leads.
Always refer to your parts manual for your applicability.


Spark plug connectors are 5/8".

How To Fix Your Fatigue (Do This Every Day)
Gundry MD
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Re: KR> Harness (2) for Slick 4316 magneto

2017-01-25 Thread Chris Kinnaman via KRnet 

Bought them. Thanks for the heads-up, Mike.

Chris

On 1/25/2017 10:20 AM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:

There's a heck of a deal available on eBay just now.  Two harness sets
for the 4316 magneto, brand new, for $174.  These are the original gray
woven insulated outer sleeve made by Slick/Champion/Unison.  Fits 5/8's
plugs.




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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet 

At 05:50 PM 1/25/2017, you wrote:
Why do you even need a DAR during the build? Â 3 
visits, for what? Â The FSDO in your city will 
come out for free if you can ahead
and get on their schedule for a final 
inspection, which is all that is required 
(unless the rules have changed)??. RonSt. Louis, MO

+++

Only one "final" inspection required in the 
USA.  Different independent DAR's have charges 
that vary widely. Some are free and some charge 
an arm and a leg.   Shop around and get them in 
the loop early.  Get the FSDO DAR for free if you 
can but good luck.  Some regional FSDO's are 
happy to do it and some almost refuse (claim too 
busy, yea,right. It's their job).


Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread donald january via KRnet 
Kinda hard to say Bob. alot to due with airfoil type ,weight of plane at
the time of stall, head wind, altitude, and I imagine the list goes on

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Robert Russell via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

> What are realistic stall speeds with flaps?
> Bob R
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Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet 
Before I get corrected by a bunch of people, IAS stall speed remains the 
same regardless of altitude.  Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote 
that.  Right after I sent that I thought "I wonder why I never thought 
of that before".  It occurred to me when I woke up at 1AM and something 
was nagging at methat's a basic premise of IASstall speed is 
always the same, regardless of altitude.  I've gotten so used to flying 
the iEFIS and having a true air speed indication, the two have converged 
in my little bitty mind.


I think this question is even on the Basic Airman Knowledge test (I 
probably made that up too).  My only excuse is that I started mixing GPS 
speed with IAS, and that I'm getting dumber by the day...


Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
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Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet 

At 07:05 PM 1/25/2017, you wrote:

Great video Larry... I will be flying it off a grass strip.
We have  2500 ft and also 3000 ft runways so hoping that will be 
fine but I will likely use it all.

Bob

+++

I'd suggest you start on 4000 or so on the first flight on a no wind 
day.  You will quickly progress to the grass after a few landings.


Larry Flesner 



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Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet 

Bob Russell wrote:

> What are realistic stall speeds with flaps?

As Larry said, you'll want to go to altitude and stall it several times 
to get the "indicated" stall speed, because airspeed indicators are 
notoriously inaccurate at low speeds...even the fancy new electronic 
versions that I've used are off at the lower end of the spectrum. For 
example, N891JF stalls "hard" (nose over) at about 36 mph indicated, and 
that's on the MGL iEFIS.  This isn't far from what Jim Faughn reported 
in his "how to land a KR" treatise, but those are indicated.  GPS stall 
speed is closer to the low fifties, at the altitudes that I practice 
stalls at.


If you are asking what's the difference in stall speed with 
"plans-built" flaps, my guess would be about two mph, three mph at the 
most, based on my experience with the much larger flaps on N56ML.  KR2S 
N56ML stalls at 57 mph with barn door flaps, 62 mph clean at "average" 
loading conditions.  KR2 N891JF stalls slightly slower, and even the 
belly board drops stall speed 1.5-2 mph.  These are all GPS speeds, 
taken on calm days in two directions probably at 4000' or so, so it'll 
be a little less nearer to sea level...which you don't want to do.  You 
can extrapolate it though...about a 2% difference per thousand feet. 
You probably already know this though.


More stall speeds are listed at http://www.krnet.org/kr-info.html , 
although their accuracy is not assured.  Speaking of which, nobody's 
sent me information for a newly minted airplane for probably five years. 
 No new KRs are flying for five years?  Please do some testing and send 
me your numbers...


Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread Paul Visk via KRnet 
My DAR ,Frank Baldwin from Troy Mo. Doesn't charge anything. Only thing that he 
requires is that you participate in Young Eagles.  Which I'm already doing.  


Paul Visk Belleville Il.
618-406-4705
 Original message From: Ronald Wright via KRnet 
 Date: 1/25/17  5:50 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet 
 Cc: Ronald Wright  Subject: Re: 
KR> Archives 
Why do you even need a DAR during the build?  3 visits, for what?  The FSDO in 
your city will come out for free if you can ahead and get on their schedule for 
a final inspection, which is all that is required (unless the rules have 
changed)??.
RonSt. Louis, MO

  From: bjoenunley via KRnet 
 To: KRnet  
Cc: bjoenunley 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: KR> Archives
   
》DAR.  He charges $500 per 》inspection visit and usually takes 3 visits.
Our local DAR charges $600 and will only visit once.(although he is a friend so 
he has visited early in the process for free)
》To my surprise the 
》inspector was a helicopter pilot
Those helicopter pilots can be pretty good guys.

Joe Nunley Baker Florida 



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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread Patrick Driscoll via KRnet 
When building my first KR2 back in the 70's, I just loaded my spars and 
fuse. into my van and drove to the FSDO's office. I walked in and told them 
I had my parts in my van and would they please come out and check them out 
and sign them off for me. No problem, I was out of there in about 10 
minutes.

Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patric...@usfamily.net
www.pensbypat.com
If you can read this, Thank a teacher
If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran 



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Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet 
Thanks Mark

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford via KRnet" 
To: "KRnet" 
Cc: "Mark Langford" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:18:11 PM
Subject: Re: KR> stall speed

Bob Russell wrote:

 > What are realistic stall speeds with flaps?

As Larry said, you'll want to go to altitude and stall it several times 
to get the "indicated" stall speed, because airspeed indicators are 
notoriously inaccurate at low speeds...even the fancy new electronic 
versions that I've used are off at the lower end of the spectrum. For 
example, N891JF stalls "hard" (nose over) at about 36 mph indicated, and 
that's on the MGL iEFIS.  This isn't far from what Jim Faughn reported 
in his "how to land a KR" treatise, but those are indicated.  GPS stall 
speed is closer to the low fifties, at the altitudes that I practice 
stalls at.

If you are asking what's the difference in stall speed with 
"plans-built" flaps, my guess would be about two mph, three mph at the 
most, based on my experience with the much larger flaps on N56ML.  KR2S 
N56ML stalls at 57 mph with barn door flaps, 62 mph clean at "average" 
loading conditions.  KR2 N891JF stalls slightly slower, and even the 
belly board drops stall speed 1.5-2 mph.  These are all GPS speeds, 
taken on calm days in two directions probably at 4000' or so, so it'll 
be a little less nearer to sea level...which you don't want to do.  You 
can extrapolate it though...about a 2% difference per thousand feet. 
You probably already know this though.

More stall speeds are listed at http://www.krnet.org/kr-info.html , 
although their accuracy is not assured.  Speaking of which, nobody's 
sent me information for a newly minted airplane for probably five years. 
  No new KRs are flying for five years?  Please do some testing and send 
me your numbers...

Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread bjoenunley via KRnet 

》The FSDO in your city will come out for 》free
I haven't called our local FSDO myself but I have been told by others that they 
are one year out from when you schedule them. 
Joe Nunley Baker Florida 


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KR> Ohio Kr guys

2017-01-25 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet 
Hi; 
Any KR2 owners builders in Marion Ohio area? 
Bob R 
Winnipeg 
Canada 

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Re: KR> Ohio Kr guys

2017-01-25 Thread Jim Chuk via KRnet 
Some one was asking about some exhaust pipes a few days ago.  There is a 4
into 1 set that just got posted on barnstormers.  Jim Chuk
*REVMASTER R2300 EXHAUST*

• *AVAILABLE FOR SALE* • Revmaster R2300 4-into-1 exhaust pipes. Used for
137 hrs. $250 OBO. Contact for pictures. • Contact David A. Misner
,
Owner - located Bloomer, WI USA • Telephone: 715-933-0420 . • Posted
January 25, 2017 •

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Robert Russell via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi;
> Any KR2 owners builders in Marion Ohio area?
> Bob R
> Winnipeg
> Canada
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Re: KR> Flight Training

2017-01-25 Thread Sid Wood via KRnet 
Before my first flight our EAA Chapter Flight Adviser said to get lots of 
recent time in a number of different aircraft.  So he got flights for me in 
a Cherokee with 180 hp engine, Yankee, RV-8, Citabria and 6 hours in a 
Pulsar XP.  The closest  KR available to me was 300 miles away.  His 
philosophy was:  First flight you are are a test pilot, so this would be 
just another strange aircraft.  None of the above operate like a KR-2.  And 
being an experimental aircraft it may or may not handle anything like 
previously described.  No question about it, that training saved my life on 
my first KR flight.  There was lots of drama and people running for their 
lives from an unintended aerobatic airshow.  CG issues and multiple hardware 
failures have since been resolved and N6242 is now reasonably civilized.  A 
light touch on the stick helps also.


Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

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What aircraft can I fly that will prepare me for flying a KR2?
Joe Nunley?






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Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread Sid Wood via KRnet 
Our EAA Chapter has a member who is also a DAR.  He charges $500 per 
inspection visit and usually takes 3 visits.


Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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When I finished my KR I called the FAA for an inspection. ?They told me to 
call a certain DAR. ?I told them I would rather have an FAA inspector to do 
it since I was already paying him. ?They agreed. ?To my surprise the 
inspector was a helicopter pilot that I served in Viet Nam with. ?Of course 
everything went well. ?The DAR was going to charge me $400.00




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