Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

2021-12-13 Thread flywire 
>
> Good point, seems the purpose of each needs a clearer definition. I'd
> expect all docs go to the wiki until they are formalised and moved into the
> help and/or guides as appropriate. I'm keen to see some ScriptForge demos
> but they must contain macros that can scare users so the only real place is
> in the wiki.
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:33 PM Martin Srebotnjak 
> wrote:
>
>> The problem is that Calc help content now links to wiki for
>> additional information about the functions (and will probably in the end
>> link to all function descriptions there), so wiki is becoming a part of LO
>> help...
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

2021-12-13 Thread Martin Srebotnjak 
The problem is that Calc help content now links to wiki for additional
information about the functions (and will probably in the end link to all
function descriptions there), so wiki is becoming a part of LO help (which
is problematic for organizations/companies that do not want/approve
accessing external content on the Internet for the sole use of an office
suite).

Lp, m.

V V pon., 13. dec. 2021 ob 09:35 je oseba Kevin Suo 
napisala:

> In my opinion, those lengthy Funtions docs should be included in the
> online/builtin help. If the current Help is not complete/accurate or is
> missing examples, then we should revise the Help, not putting then in a new
> Wiki. It is fine the Calc guide can reference to the Online Help.
>
> For us, our Simplified Chinese team only have very few people doing the
> translation and we simply have no time translating the wiki, especially if
> the content is duplicated.
>
>
>
>
> 于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 下午1:26:03, Ilmari Lauhakangas <
> ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> 写到:
> >All of the three forms of documentation serve a different purpose.
> >Quoting from the Season of Docs summary:
> >
> >"The Calc Guide for LibreOffice release 6.2 contained a lengthy appendix
> >(70 pages) devoted to the 500+ functions available in Calc, providing a
> >shallow list of the functions and their arguments. During the update of
> >the document for release 6.4 in 2019, the Documentation Team agreed that
> >it would be better to move this list to an online service, and as part
> >of this move, to enhance the function descriptions by adding more
> >examples, use cases and collateral information on standards,
> >compatibility and more."
> >
> >Ilmari
> >
> >On 13.12.2021 2.17, Kevin Suo wrote:
> >> We have the help for functions in our online/builtin help, and then we
> >> have this wiki, and as far as I know we also have the Calc Guide - are
> >> they the same or similar content?
> >>
> >>
> >> 于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 上午12:57:43, Ilmari Lauhakangas
> >>  写到:
> >>
> >> I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc
> >> function wiki articles, which were marked for translation
> prematurely in
> >> 2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a
> >> couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve
> >> Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for
> content
> >> correctness.
> >>
> >> This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now
> safe to
> >> translate!
> >>
> >> You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation  <
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation>
> >>
> >> The full list of Calc function articles is here:
> >>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
> <
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
> >
> >>
> >> Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount
> of
> >> work for translators.
> >>
> >> I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently
> 142 in
> >> the todo-list).
> >>
> >> Ilmari
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

2021-12-13 Thread Kevin Suo 
In my opinion, those lengthy Funtions docs should be included in the 
online/builtin help. If the current Help is not complete/accurate or is missing 
examples, then we should revise the Help, not putting then in a new Wiki. It is 
fine the Calc guide can reference to the Online Help.

For us, our Simplified Chinese team only have very few people doing the 
translation and we simply have no time translating the wiki, especially if the 
content is duplicated.




于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 下午1:26:03, Ilmari Lauhakangas 
 写到:
>All of the three forms of documentation serve a different purpose. 
>Quoting from the Season of Docs summary:
>
>"The Calc Guide for LibreOffice release 6.2 contained a lengthy appendix 
>(70 pages) devoted to the 500+ functions available in Calc, providing a 
>shallow list of the functions and their arguments. During the update of 
>the document for release 6.4 in 2019, the Documentation Team agreed that 
>it would be better to move this list to an online service, and as part 
>of this move, to enhance the function descriptions by adding more 
>examples, use cases and collateral information on standards, 
>compatibility and more."
>
>Ilmari
>
>On 13.12.2021 2.17, Kevin Suo wrote:
>> We have the help for functions in our online/builtin help, and then we 
>> have this wiki, and as far as I know we also have the Calc Guide - are 
>> they the same or similar content?
>> 
>> 
>> 于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 上午12:57:43, Ilmari Lauhakangas 
>>  写到:
>> 
>> I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc
>> function wiki articles, which were marked for translation prematurely in
>> 2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a
>> couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve
>> Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for content
>> correctness.
>> 
>> This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now safe to
>> translate!
>> 
>> You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation  
>> 
>> 
>> The full list of Calc function articles is here:
>> 
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount of
>> work for translators.
>> 
>> I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently 142 in
>> the todo-list).
>> 
>> Ilmari
>> 
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