Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Strings for LibreOffice websites

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.4.2024 23.22, Stanislav Horáček wrote:

Hi,

I would appreciate more information about the new website:
- What is the time schedule to deploy it?


After the translation workflow is proven to be fine, the donation page 
needs some adjustment after a currently ongoing project related to 
CiviCRM APIs.



- Is there any preview of it? And is its source available?


Preview: https://newdesign2.libreoffice.org/refs/heads/master/en-us/
The top nav links don't work in the preview due to how the preview URLs 
are constructed. It is quite easy to run the site locally, though, as no 
web server setup is needed.


Source: https://git.libreoffice.org/infra/libreofficeorg/

Source for TDF site: 
https://git.libreoffice.org/infra/documentfoundationorg/


- Is it planned to migrate reusable translations of the current website 
or will they be wasted completely?


I certainly manually migrate as much as I can when I work on the Finnish 
translation and anyone can do the same.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 24.2 "New Features" video script for translations

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Go into your browser settings and clear cookies for 
wiki.documentfoundation.org


Ilmari

On 3.2.2024 13.49, Aitor Salaberria wrote:
I created an account which is linked to my Weblate profile, but whenever 
I try to login to the wiki it says an attribute is missing on 
https://auth.documentfoundation.org and only lets me go back to the 
portal. Then it asks me to change my password which I did but I still 
can't login to the wiki.


Aitor

El 03/02/2024 a las 12:38, Ilmari Lauhakangas escribió:
Once you are logged into the wiki and on the new features script page, 
click the "Translate this page" link at the top of the page. Then 
click the "Translate to" button and type euskara. Now you can start 
translating.


Ilmari

On 3.2.2024 13.13, Aitor Salaberria wrote:

Hi everyone,


I would like to help translate the subtitles to Basque. How can I add 
the translations into the wiki?



Aitor

El 02/02/2024 a las 18:09, Martin Srebotnjak escribió:

Could the translated subtitles from wiki be added to the video, please?

Thanks,
Martin

V V čet., 1. feb. 2024 ob 14:18 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

If possible, please everyone add the translations directly into the 
wiki.


Ilmari

On 1.2.2024 14.13, Kelvene Requiroso wrote:


Hello everyone,

Here's the modern Filipino/Tagalog (Philippines) translation:

  *

Mga bagong features ng LibreOffice 24.2
  *

Bagong "taon.buwan" na kumbinasyon sa bersiyon, kaya ang LibreOffice
24.2 ay galing sa Pebrero 2024
  *

Puwede nang gamitin ang mga estilo sa pagkomento
  *

Calc: pag-highlight sa aktibong row at column
  *

Bagong search field sa options sa dialog box
  *

Navigator: ginawa nang grey ang mga nakatagong seksyon
  *

Mas mahusay na support para sa multi-page na floating tables
  *

Calc: may search field sa Functions sa gilid na deck
  *

Impress: mayroon nang support sa small caps
  *

Tooltip help para sa mga opsyon sa expert configuration
  *

Math: puwede nang baguhin ang font sa formula
  *

Makikita na ang deskripsyon ng mga espesyal na karakter sa dropdown
  *

Palatandaan na matibay ang password kapag nagsave ng encrypted files
  *

Dagdag pa ang pagpapahusay sa compatibility, performance, at 
marami pa

  *

Galing ang mga features na ito kina:
  *

Idownload ang LibreOffice 24.2

Thanks,

   Kelvene Requiroso
   _National Sales Manager/OIC, ISMS Robotics_
   MDM Technologies
   Mobile: (63)969-297-2796 | Email: kelv...@isms.ph | Websites:
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On 2024-01-31 20:58, Mike Saunders wrote:


Hi everyone,

We've made a video showing a few of the new features in LibreOffice

24.2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9pMn4cffs

The text for the subtitles is on the wiki, so if anyone wants to
translate, we can add more languages:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/24.2_New_Features_Script

Thanks a lot in advance! :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 24.2 "New Features" video script for translations

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Once you are logged into the wiki and on the new features script page, 
click the "Translate this page" link at the top of the page. Then click 
the "Translate to" button and type euskara. Now you can start translating.


Ilmari

On 3.2.2024 13.13, Aitor Salaberria wrote:

Hi everyone,


I would like to help translate the subtitles to Basque. How can I add 
the translations into the wiki?



Aitor

El 02/02/2024 a las 18:09, Martin Srebotnjak escribió:

Could the translated subtitles from wiki be added to the video, please?

Thanks,
Martin

V V čet., 1. feb. 2024 ob 14:18 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

If possible, please everyone add the translations directly into the 
wiki.


Ilmari

On 1.2.2024 14.13, Kelvene Requiroso wrote:


Hello everyone,

Here's the modern Filipino/Tagalog (Philippines) translation:

  *

Mga bagong features ng LibreOffice 24.2
  *

Bagong "taon.buwan" na kumbinasyon sa bersiyon, kaya ang LibreOffice
24.2 ay galing sa Pebrero 2024
  *

Puwede nang gamitin ang mga estilo sa pagkomento
  *

Calc: pag-highlight sa aktibong row at column
  *

Bagong search field sa options sa dialog box
  *

Navigator: ginawa nang grey ang mga nakatagong seksyon
  *

Mas mahusay na support para sa multi-page na floating tables
  *

Calc: may search field sa Functions sa gilid na deck
  *

Impress: mayroon nang support sa small caps
  *

Tooltip help para sa mga opsyon sa expert configuration
  *

Math: puwede nang baguhin ang font sa formula
  *

Makikita na ang deskripsyon ng mga espesyal na karakter sa dropdown
  *

Palatandaan na matibay ang password kapag nagsave ng encrypted files
  *

Dagdag pa ang pagpapahusay sa compatibility, performance, at marami pa
  *

Galing ang mga features na ito kina:
  *

Idownload ang LibreOffice 24.2

Thanks,

   Kelvene Requiroso
   _National Sales Manager/OIC, ISMS Robotics_
   MDM Technologies
   Mobile: (63)969-297-2796 | Email: kelv...@isms.ph | Websites:
https://isms.ph | https://d24davao.isms.ph | https://robotics.isms.ph |
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On 2024-01-31 20:58, Mike Saunders wrote:


Hi everyone,

We've made a video showing a few of the new features in LibreOffice

24.2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9pMn4cffs

The text for the subtitles is on the wiki, so if anyone wants to
translate, we can add more languages:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/24.2_New_Features_Script

Thanks a lot in advance! :-)

--
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The Document Foundation


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 24.2 "New Features" video script for translations

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

If possible, please everyone add the translations directly into the wiki.

Ilmari

On 1.2.2024 14.13, Kelvene Requiroso wrote:



Hello everyone,

Here's the modern Filipino/Tagalog (Philippines) translation:

 *

Mga bagong features ng LibreOffice 24.2
 *

Bagong "taon.buwan" na kumbinasyon sa bersiyon, kaya ang LibreOffice 
24.2 ay galing sa Pebrero 2024

 *

Puwede nang gamitin ang mga estilo sa pagkomento
 *

Calc: pag-highlight sa aktibong row at column
 *

Bagong search field sa options sa dialog box
 *

Navigator: ginawa nang grey ang mga nakatagong seksyon
 *

Mas mahusay na support para sa multi-page na floating tables
 *

Calc: may search field sa Functions sa gilid na deck
 *

Impress: mayroon nang support sa small caps
 *

Tooltip help para sa mga opsyon sa expert configuration
 *

Math: puwede nang baguhin ang font sa formula
 *

Makikita na ang deskripsyon ng mga espesyal na karakter sa dropdown
 *

Palatandaan na matibay ang password kapag nagsave ng encrypted files
 *

Dagdag pa ang pagpapahusay sa compatibility, performance, at marami pa
 *

Galing ang mga features na ito kina:
 *

Idownload ang LibreOffice 24.2

Thanks,

  Kelvene Requiroso
  _National Sales Manager/OIC, ISMS Robotics_
  MDM Technologies
  Mobile: (63)969-297-2796 | Email: kelv...@isms.ph | Websites: 
https://isms.ph | https://d24davao.isms.ph | https://robotics.isms.ph | 
d23manila.isms.ph [1]

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On 2024-01-31 20:58, Mike Saunders wrote:


Hi everyone,

We've made a video showing a few of the new features in LibreOffice 24.2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9pMn4cffs

The text for the subtitles is on the wiki, so if anyone wants to 
translate, we can add more languages:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/24.2_New_Features_Script

Thanks a lot in advance! :-)

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The Document Foundation



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Introducing Julia and the survey she works on

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 26.12.2023 14.13, Olivier Hallot wrote:

On 12/26/23 07:53, Stanislav Horáček wrote:

pá 22. 12. 2023 v 10:52 odesílatel sophi  napsal:
+ Invest in LibreTranslate project to train python translation engine 
(1) in LO context.


See also https://github.com/LibreTranslate/Locomotive
"Easy to use, cross-platform toolkit to train argos-translate models, 
which can be used by LibreTranslate"


It could be fed source and target translations from LibreOffice.

NVIDIA CUDA graphics card is recommended. If someone from the team owns 
such a card, we might not need to invest into an external service.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Translation of Calc function wiki articles: reviewer recommended

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Articles about Calc functions have been gradually improved and provided 
for translation over the past few years:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions

Now it has been pointed out that errors have slipped into the translated 
versions due to lack of review.


As an example, an English source page might say things like "If the 
second argument is less than 1, the function results in an error", 
whereas the translated page(s) say "If the second argument is equal to 
or less than 0, the function results in an error". A mistake in the 
numeric value, and another one in the mention of the comparison operator.


These errors seem to be the result of too hasty copying & pasting of 
earlier translated strings. Alternatively, it might be a case of picking 
a suggestion from the translation memory without checking its accuracy.


It is strongly recommended to tackle the translation of Calc function 
articles as a team, with at least one translator reviewing the work of 
the other.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Language settings change

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 10.12.2023 0.36, Євген Кондратюк wrote:

Hi!

I've noticed at newly added strings that old 'Language settings' in the 
'Options' menu became new 'Languages and Locales'.


However, I still didn't find if it stand only for Mac LO version or at 
all...


Please, give me advice.


https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157716

It is not tied to macOS in any way.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fakes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.9.2023 15.36, Mihail Balabanov wrote:

Hi,
When I thought about it, 'simulated' also sounds weird. The manually
formatted headings, list numbers, captions and other items are neither
fake, nor simulated. They are *actual* list headings, numbers, captions,
etc., just done manually, in a way we don't recommend. The software may not
recognize them as such but any reader would.
So I think a more precise description would be 'manually added list
numbers', 'manually formatted headings' or something along these lines.
Cheers,
Mihail


Note that this is from the perspective of the accessibility checker and 
from the perspective of accessibility functionality of any software used 
for reading the produced PDF files. In this strict context where you 
have to conform to a certain structure, they are not actual captions.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fakes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 29.8.2023 9.43, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

I would call it "imitation" or "simulated"/"simulation", it just
imitates/simulates the "proper" numbering.

In the days of OOo every new feature needed first a confirmed design
document where even the UI-mock-up was presented.
Now we just code - and take care of the UI-repercussions later.

And as Miloš wrote, it doesn't work for me (macOS 7.6.0.1), while others
do. It is a "fake" check :)

Lp, m.

V V tor., 29. avg. 2023 ob 07:17 je oseba Yury Tarasievich <
yury.tarasiev...@gmail.com> napisala:


That kind of use of the word feels singularly
inappropriate in the modernworld.
Likely to cause confusion, even indignation.

I mean, how come your program calls my manual
numbering 'fake'?? It is 'unautomated'
numbering, certainly, but 'fake'?

Isn't this taking a bit too much on ourselves?

On 28/08/2023 18:44, Milos Sramek wrote:




https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/01/accessibility_check.html


Sorry, I quoted the help page incorrectly. The help page does not 
currently mention that there is a check for simulated *captions*.


I have submitted a change to the string:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/156238

See the code for the checking logic:
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/core/access/AccessibilityCheck.cxx?r=8386d8e5#978

To see the string in the UI, open the accessibility sidebar panel.
Type text that starts with Caption, Illustration, Table, Text, Drawing 
or Figure

Immediately insert an image.

Now you should see "Fakes" in the sidebar (without my patch).

The check also works, if the image is anchored to the paragraph with the 
text.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fakes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 25.8.2023 15.03, Milos Sramek wrote:

Hi,

does anybody know what is "Fakes" and where to find it in the GUI?

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?page=2=100=+source%3A%3DFakes+_by=-priority%2Cposition


Accessibility checker: 
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/uiconfig/swriter/ui/a11ycheckissuespanel.ui?r=40725c05#216


https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/01/accessibility_check.html

'Check for fake/manual numbering (not using integrated numbering). For 
example writing "1." "2." "3." at the beginning of the paragraphs.'


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] how should I read this "Basic Code" ?

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 1.1.2023 16.31, Cristian Secară wrote:

(*Hapy new year!*)

The sting GDyAw says this:

===
All changes to the Basic Code are lost. The original VBA Macro Code is saved 
instead.
===

Since the 'Basic' word is not written in all capitals, I am not sure on how to 
read the Basic Code sequence:
1. a basic (simple) whatever code
2. a BASIC code, i.e. a code written in the BASIC language


Number 2 is correct.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreofficeDev Help online - icons are not displayed anymore

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 27.12.2022 23.44, Michael Wolf wrote:

11.12.2022 21:43 hodź. Michael Wolf napisa:



Hi Ilmari,

I think that the untranslated texts are because of the fallback 
language. The German alt texts are translated.


But, doesn't matter anymore, the icons are displayed again now.



Hi,

the icons are not shown anymore again, the alt texts are shown instead.


Can you share an example link, please?

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreofficeDev Help online - icons are not displayed anymore

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 11.12.2022 0.22, Michael Wolf wrote:

Hi,

in Libreoffice Help online, there are some boxes in color for warnings 
(yellow), notes (green), tips (blue) and so on which had icons for 
warning, note and so on until now. Now the English words are displayed 
instead (warning icon, note icon, tip icon). In translated texts 
shouldn't be English words, even less when they are in highlighted text 
boxes.


I see the alt texts are not translated, but I don't see the icons 
missing in 
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.5/en-US/text/shared/05/new_help.html


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translating sidebar of the TDF Wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 20.11.2022 23.28, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hello, Ilmari & co.,

for Slovenian:
1. Get Involved >>> Sodelujte
2. Support LibreOffice! >>> Podprite LibreOffice!
3. Editing the wiki >>> Urejanje wikija
4. Help resources >>> Viri pomoči

Please, also make 7.5 release notes on wiki available for translation not
*after the beta1 release* (now locked for l10n), but 10 days (or at least
*one week*) before the beta1 release - beta release is also meant to test
localization effort so far (at least the translation of key new
functions/UI entries before they get localized also in the help and tips
strings) - and release notes provide information what new stuff to look for
in the localization of the beta release ...


They are not locked for l10n because anyone has the right to make pages 
localisable. The reason to not make the page translatable from the start 
is that the wiki translation system confuses our otherwise brilliant C++ 
developers and they break everything by being too clever, inserting 
translation markers manually. Fortunately the wiki devs are planning 
improvements to make things less confusing: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T322743


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translating sidebar of the TDF Wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 11.11.2022 7.11, Kevin Suo wrote:


  在 2022/11/11 05:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas 写道:

Indeed they can be: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Messages_in_the_Sidebar


and as I am an admin, I just did. 


Would you please change it for Simplified Chinese (zh-CN):

Get Involved: 参与贡献

Support LibreOffice!: 支持 LibreOffice！

Editing the wiki: 编辑该维基网站

Help resources: 帮助资源


Done.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translating sidebar of the TDF Wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 10.11.2022 23.05, Hossein Nourikhah wrote:

Hello,

TDF Wiki is now provided in many languages, but sidebar of the Wiki is 
not completely translated. In Persian, these strings in the sidebar are 
not translated:


1. Get Involved
2. Support LibreOffice!
3. Editing the wiki
4. Help resources

In German, "Get Involved" is translated into "Mitmachen" in the sidebar, 
so it seems that these strings can be translated via the MediaWiki admin 
interface.


Please help translate these strings into other languages.

For Persian, these are the translations, in order:

1. مشارکت کنید
2. از لیبره آفیس حمایت کنید!
3. ویرایش ویکی
4. منابع راهنما


Indeed they can be: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Messages_in_the_Sidebar


and as I am an admin, I just did.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Wiki module created to save time for Calc function article translators

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 24.10.2022 17.16, Eike Rathke wrote:

Hi Ilmari,

On Saturday, 2022-10-22 11:17:14 +0300, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:


What will you do with the mentioned cases
where separators are different depending on a criteria I dont know yet.
Will this be a local translation work or is there a possibility to find
it out depending on the language and create a automatically solution to
use the most common one.


That's a good point about the language-specific parameter separators and
such in the Calc function call examples. I have to keep such examples fully
translatable.


The proper way is to always use the ; semicolon as function parameter
separator that is understood in every localization and environment; if
set differently in the user environment the actual separator will be
displayed when viewing the resulting formula expression again.

To be taken care of and adapted in examples is the decimal separator.


Thanks, then we can save even more work. The decimal separator is taken 
care of by the wiki magic word {{formatnum:123.4}}


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Wiki module created to save time for Calc function article translators

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 21.10.2022 20.47, Tim Herb wrote:

Hello,

it is great that there is now a solution to invoke Calc-Function names
at Wikipages. I have written after I asked in August about the place
where I can find the files where the calc functions are translated a
program that extracts out of the files the strings. It creates one
CSV-File per language where a file with strings for Calc-Functions
exists. You can find the CSV-Files and the program at this page.

https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:Hog%C3%BC-456/Spreadsheet%20To%20Code%20Converter/Spreadsheetfunctions%20by%20Language/

 From my point of view it is great if it is possible to copy a function
example from a Wikipage or a documentation page into calc. In Germany
usually the semicolon is the separator and in other countries it is the
comma in functions. For strings there are also different characters
used. It is the " and the '. Does the separator depend on the language
version or on the settings of a user. Im working since more than two
years at program that converts Spreadsheetfunctions into source code.
With this program if only parts of it are used it is also possible to
transfer a function from one language into another one and changing
through that the separator of function arguments and for strings and
also the notation for a cell from the A1-Format where a cell address
consists out of letters and number into a R1C1-Format where the column
and the row are numbers. Replacing is propably for the examples accurate
enough but it is theoretically possible that a string contains a name
that is also a function name. What will you do with the mentioned cases
where separators are different depending on a criteria I dont know yet.
Will this be a local translation work or is there a possibility to find
it out depending on the language and create a automatically solution to
use the most common one.


That's a good point about the language-specific parameter separators and 
such in the Calc function call examples. I have to keep such examples 
fully translatable.


I guess a separate module could be created to replace the separators 
etc. based on language, but it might be tricky (what are the edge cases, 
what kind of stuff can appear in a formula). I will not attempt it, but 
others are free to take a shot at creating a reliable solution.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: Wiki module created to save time for Calc function article translators

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 21.10.2022 17.37, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

The module is called in wiki content like so:

{{#invoke:Calc_fn_name|get|IF|{{#translation:


A small update: I got lots of tips on #mediawiki from Izno and now the 
module has been improved (uses less server resources, for example). I 
created a wrapper template for the module, so now the call is done like 
this:


{{Calc_fn_name|IF|{{PAGELANGUAGE

In the future, we can get rid of that last language argument, if this 
feature request is implemented: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T161976


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Wiki module created to save time for Calc function article translators

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 21.10.2022 18.28, Michael Wolf wrote:



21.10.2022 16:37 hodź. Ilmari Lauhakangas napisa:



While researching the topic, I ran into an extension that enables the 
use of Lua programming language to have essentially a much nicer 
template syntax: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto


Hi Ilmari,

does it make sense to translate Scribunto? Scribunto can already be 
translated on Translatewiki:


https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats=1

There are 64 strings only. The link is for Upper Sorbian.


I don't see benefit in this case.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Wiki module created to save time for Calc function article translators

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 21.10.2022 18.38, Eike Rathke wrote:

Hi Ilmari,

On Friday, 2022-10-21 17:37:23 +0300, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:


I set up a local MediaWiki instance to develop the Calc function name module
and now Guilhem kindly enabled the extension in TDF wiki.


Nice initiative, thanks!


As the first tries, I changed these pages:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/ABS


I think it would be good if the translated pages also mentioned the
original English function name.
Yes, it is in the URL like
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/ABS/it
but..


As mentioned, when you see outdated translations in your language for the
ABS article, just confirm them, no need to copy the module syntax.


What happens if after a page was translated the translation of the
function name changes? Will there be some automatic update/refresh?


Well, you have a point there, even though I don't think it is that big 
of a deal in this case. If doing the confirmations of outdated content 
and ignoring the module syntax, the automatic update in such cases would 
be missing. We don't have many languages at the moment, however, and not 
all of the function articles are available for translation yet.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Wiki module created to save time for Calc function article translators

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Hello,

during LibreOffice conference 2022 I had a conversation with an Italian 
translator. He said it would be nice to import Calc function name 
translations into the translation memory of the wiki to speed things up. 
I started thinking that it would be even better to automatically get the 
correct translated name using a template or a widget. I quickly 
understood a template would not be practical. A widget would require 
modifying the page content with Javascript, which is always a bit 
awkward and also slows down the page load.


While researching the topic, I ran into an extension that enables the 
use of Lua programming language to have essentially a much nicer 
template syntax: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto


I set up a local MediaWiki instance to develop the Calc function name 
module and now Guilhem kindly enabled the extension in TDF wiki.


The module is called in wiki content like so:

{{#invoke:Calc_fn_name|get|IF|{{#translation:

It calls the module, a function inside it and passes arguments for the 
Calc function name and the language code. Conveniently the 
{{#translation:}} magic word allows us to automatically pass the correct 
language code.


The module code can be examined here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Module:Calc_fn_name

I will gradually put the module to use in the coming weeks. I have a 
Firefox Greasemonkey script to automate replacing the names in content 
when editing an article.


Using the module will allow removing many repeating strings from 
translation. These function strings which occur on their own are usually 
in the beginning and end of the Calc function articles as well as within 
tables showing examples.


When a function name occurs inside a paragraph, any existing 
translations will be marked as outdated. It is not necessary to copy & 
paste the module invocation syntax to the existing translations in this 
case. It is enough to just confirm the already translated paragraph.


Steve is working on updating articles, but he does not need to worry 
about the module syntax. I will take care of everything when I 
eventually mark the new articles for translation.


As the first tries, I changed these pages:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/ABS

As mentioned, when you see outdated translations in your language for 
the ABS article, just confirm them, no need to copy the module syntax.


I will wait for a bit before continuing, so let me know if there are any 
issues. I will also reach out to individual translators, who already 
worked on the articles.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations of Spreadsheetsfunction

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 19.8.2022 0.21, Tim Herb wrote:

Hello,

thank you for the answer. I have written a program that creates out of
the content of the file with the function names pasted into a text file
a CSV-File. Cloning the repository was not sucessful for me. I tried it
and after waiting a half hour or something like that I stopped it.


To speed the cloning up, skipping the git history, you can do a shallow 
clone with:


git clone --depth 1 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/core libreoffice

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Calc Array function wiki pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 19.7.2022 19.19, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 19.7.2022 18.46, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:32 PM Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions

All repeating headings now use templates.

Note that you can easily access all the translatable templates through
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation

Just do a find in page for Template:


Hey, there are still many missing strings for translation:
[image: image.png]
Thanks!
Yaron Shahrabani


I got your screenshot from the direct email unlike the list. I guess you 
are referring to the Tabulator[1] interface. Tabulator is provided to 
JavaScript widgets in order to build filterable tables.


As you must know, doing anything "cool" with MediaWiki is cumbersome.

It is possible to pass a langs object[2] when creating a Tabulator table 
to provide localisations. I can look into the possibility of creating a 
separate page just to host such a data object that would then be 
extracted by the widget script.


Ilmari

1: http://tabulator.info/
2: http://tabulator.info/docs/5.3/localize#define


Good news everyone: I managed to solve the localisation! You can add new 
translations to this page by following the examples: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/Tabulator_langs


For now, you can see the Dutch translation which I hope I nailed: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions/nl


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Calc Array function wiki pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 19.7.2022 18.46, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:32 PM Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions

All repeating headings now use templates.

Note that you can easily access all the translatable templates through
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation

Just do a find in page for Template:


Hey, there are still many missing strings for translation:
[image: image.png]
Thanks!
Yaron Shahrabani


I got your screenshot from the direct email unlike the list. I guess you 
are referring to the Tabulator[1] interface. Tabulator is provided to 
JavaScript widgets in order to build filterable tables.


As you must know, doing anything "cool" with MediaWiki is cumbersome.

It is possible to pass a langs object[2] when creating a Tabulator table 
to provide localisations. I can look into the possibility of creating a 
separate page just to host such a data object that would then be 
extracted by the widget script.


Ilmari

1: http://tabulator.info/
2: http://tabulator.info/docs/5.3/localize#define

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[libreoffice-l10n] Calc Array function wiki pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions

All repeating headings now use templates.

Note that you can easily access all the translatable templates through 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation


Just do a find in page for Template:

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How to translate the special Wiki-page

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 18.7.2022 9.51, Y.Sol.lei wrote:

Hi, ppl!
I found the page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine
doesn't have an option to translate 'with a wizard', meaning the presence
of the link *Special:Translate.*
Is it a bug or do I need to create my own page 'from scratch'?


You have found a page that is historical and should not be translated. I 
should add a note to the page about its historical status.


The page is using the old OrigLang template to link the translations to 
the source page.


To learn about the translation system and the conventions between global 
and local focus:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual

Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] More Calc function pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The categories Logical, Information, and Spreadsheet are now translatable.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions

I also created simple templates for words that repeat a lot:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Calc-True
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Calc-False
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Calc-Formula
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Calc-Description
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Calc-Returns

I copied the existing translations for them.

I didn't use the Documentation/Calc_Functions path in the name as I 
thought it would be better to have compact names when the words appear 
in table cells.


There are repeating headings as well. I wonder, if I should make 
templates for those as well (this time under 
Documentation/Calc_Functions path). Let me know what you think.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Mistakes in source code in weblate

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 16.6.2022 0.21, Allan Nordhøy wrote:

On 15.06.2022 18:42, Carl Wellhöfer wrote:

I found a mistake in the English source code in weblate. Where can I
report it? In this mailing list?
Either for the string in question  → 
https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/weblate/ or

in https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues

There is also #weblate on libera.


It was not 100% clear if the mistake is in fact in LibreOffice's source 
code. If so, it should be reported on this mailing list.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bot behaving badly in the wiki

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On 14.5.2022 19.42, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
To get an idea of what the additional blocks in the beginning and end 
make possible, see how I restored the Turkish original content into the 
first block:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/tr

One thing to keep in mind is that the blocks are inside the two-column 
grid layout. To make your content span both columns, wrap it in a div 
with this style:





Correcting myself: the style that makes the block span all the columns 
in a row is




Based on Hossein's observation, I also changed the portal box style, so 
the border box always fills the available vertical space.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bot behaving badly in the wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

To get an idea of what the additional blocks in the beginning and end 
make possible, see how I restored the Turkish original content into the 
first block:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/tr

One thing to keep in mind is that the blocks are inside the two-column 
grid layout. To make your content span both columns, wrap it in a div 
with this style:




Another example is the German page, which starts with normal text 
spanning two columns and ends with a German-specific "portal box":

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/de

Click translate on either page to inspect how it looks like in the 
translation editor.


Ilmari

On 14.5.2022 15.20, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

Append =edit to the URL.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Migrating_old_translated_content_to_the_current_system 



Ilmari

On 14.5.2022 12.58, Tuomas Hietala wrote:
Okay, I'll try to restore the relevant content. Is there a way to view 
the wiki markup of the past versions? I seem to only be able to view 
the pages themselves.


Tuomas

Ilmari Lauhakangas kirjoitti 14.5.2022 7:38:

On 13.5.2022 22.11, Tuomas Hietala wrote:

Hello,

It appears "FuzzyBot" has decided to revert the Finnish main page of 
TDF wiki [1] to English. I don't have the rights to undo this.


The Finnish wiki main page is not meant to be a translation of the 
English main page. How can I get the old page back and prevent bot 
misbehaviour in the future?


Tuomas

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fi


It's not misbehaviour, but part of the migration to Translate
extension that has been going on for years. I have now added blocks to
the beginning and end that are invisible (commented out) in the
English version, so localisers can add unique content. Ie. you can add
your own {{portal box|...}} content box(es) to the beginning and end,
which gives you the possibility to add substantial amounts of
localised info to the main page.

Translators can always access the old content for copying from View
History of the respective translated page. I've already migrated over
French content and will look at others in the coming days.

Ilmari




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bot behaving badly in the wiki

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Append =edit to the URL.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Migrating_old_translated_content_to_the_current_system

Ilmari

On 14.5.2022 12.58, Tuomas Hietala wrote:
Okay, I'll try to restore the relevant content. Is there a way to view 
the wiki markup of the past versions? I seem to only be able to view the 
pages themselves.


Tuomas

Ilmari Lauhakangas kirjoitti 14.5.2022 7:38:

On 13.5.2022 22.11, Tuomas Hietala wrote:

Hello,

It appears "FuzzyBot" has decided to revert the Finnish main page of 
TDF wiki [1] to English. I don't have the rights to undo this.


The Finnish wiki main page is not meant to be a translation of the 
English main page. How can I get the old page back and prevent bot 
misbehaviour in the future?


Tuomas

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fi


It's not misbehaviour, but part of the migration to Translate
extension that has been going on for years. I have now added blocks to
the beginning and end that are invisible (commented out) in the
English version, so localisers can add unique content. Ie. you can add
your own {{portal box|...}} content box(es) to the beginning and end,
which gives you the possibility to add substantial amounts of
localised info to the main page.

Translators can always access the old content for copying from View
History of the respective translated page. I've already migrated over
French content and will look at others in the coming days.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Bot behaving badly in the wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 13.5.2022 22.11, Tuomas Hietala wrote:

Hello,

It appears "FuzzyBot" has decided to revert the Finnish main page of TDF 
wiki [1] to English. I don't have the rights to undo this.


The Finnish wiki main page is not meant to be a translation of the 
English main page. How can I get the old page back and prevent bot 
misbehaviour in the future?


Tuomas

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fi


It's not misbehaviour, but part of the migration to Translate extension 
that has been going on for years. I have now added blocks to the 
beginning and end that are invisible (commented out) in the English 
version, so localisers can add unique content. Ie. you can add your own 
{{portal box|...}} content box(es) to the beginning and end, which gives 
you the possibility to add substantial amounts of localised info to the 
main page.


Translators can always access the old content for copying from View 
History of the respective translated page. I've already migrated over 
French content and will look at others in the coming days.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: help ranking what you need :)

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 23.2.2022 16.13, sophi wrote:

Answering in detail to your request,
Le 23/02/2022 à 14:13, Olivier Hallot a écrit :
2) Have Machine Translation as a suggestion alongside with Memory 
Translation.


Today, in Help long strings, I copy between Weblate and a free 
machine translation service (Google, Bing, Deepl, Matecat...) to spare 
typing effort especially when weblate memory translation returns no 
match.


Machine translation served as suggestion forces a second read before 
committing translation.


You were in the team meeting yesterday when we discussed it. Before 
going there, we need to investigate on several topics. Following that, I 
wanted to open another thread to get feedback on Matecat that you 
proposed (thanks :). Testing it this morning, I see it covers a good 
list of languages and several formats. Compared to the others, it would 
remove the expensive costs of some or legal issues.


I looked more deeply into Matecat now - I never before managed to find 
information about the way it uses machine translation. It looks like 
Matecat itself will not give us any benefits. See these resources:


https://guides.matecat.com/my

"By default, we provide Google Translate API (we pay for it and offer it 
for free to Matecat users). If for any reason the Google Translate API 
is not available, we automatically switch to the Microsoft Bing API."


https://guides.matecat.com/machine-translation-engines

It looks like ModernMT is the system that is associated with Matecat 
creators:

https://guides.matecat.com/modernmt-mmt-plug-in

It is open source, even though it has a higher quality version for 
enterprises:

https://github.com/modernmt/modernmt

Weblate does support it, also with a self-hosted version:
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/blob/main/weblate/machinery/modernmt.py
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/1627#issuecomment-657171205

However, Weblate also supports LibreTranslate, which uses OpenNMT at its 
core:

https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/blob/main/weblate/machinery/libretranslate.py
https://libretranslate.com/
https://github.com/LibreTranslate/LibreTranslate
https://github.com/argosopentech/argos-translate
https://opennmt.net/

Could you please also evaluate LibreTranslate in addition to ModernMT?

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] More Calc function pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 31.1.2022 9.24, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 30.1.2022 16.31, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

The category 'Date and time functions' is now translatable.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions 



Also, remember that there are many templates to translate:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Documentation%2FCalc_Functions=10 



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:DatabaseFunctions-CommonSummaryText 



Note: when working on the templates, you can not ignore tags like 
 in the translated strings. Please keep all these special 
elements that appear in the source strings. If you don't, you will 
break the translated page.


One other gotcha based on a true story: when there is a string 
containing a link like


[[Special:MyLanguage/Documentation/Calc 
Functions/CEILING.MATH|CEILING.MATH]]


please only translate the part that comes after |


Quick update: text and add-in functions were made translatable.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] More Calc function pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 30.1.2022 16.31, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

The category 'Date and time functions' is now translatable.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions 



Also, remember that there are many templates to translate:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Documentation%2FCalc_Functions=10 



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:DatabaseFunctions-CommonSummaryText 



Note: when working on the templates, you can not ignore tags like 
 in the translated strings. Please keep all these special 
elements that appear in the source strings. If you don't, you will break 
the translated page.


One other gotcha based on a true story: when there is a string 
containing a link like


[[Special:MyLanguage/Documentation/Calc 
Functions/CEILING.MATH|CEILING.MATH]]


please only translate the part that comes after |

Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] More Calc function pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The category 'Date and time functions' is now translatable.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions

Also, remember that there are many templates to translate:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Documentation%2FCalc_Functions=10

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:DatabaseFunctions-CommonSummaryText

Note: when working on the templates, you can not ignore tags like 
 in the translated strings. Please keep all these special 
elements that appear in the source strings. If you don't, you will break 
the translated page.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

All of the three forms of documentation serve a different purpose. 
Quoting from the Season of Docs summary:


"The Calc Guide for LibreOffice release 6.2 contained a lengthy appendix 
(70 pages) devoted to the 500+ functions available in Calc, providing a 
shallow list of the functions and their arguments. During the update of 
the document for release 6.4 in 2019, the Documentation Team agreed that 
it would be better to move this list to an online service, and as part 
of this move, to enhance the function descriptions by adding more 
examples, use cases and collateral information on standards, 
compatibility and more."


Ilmari

On 13.12.2021 2.17, Kevin Suo wrote:
We have the help for functions in our online/builtin help, and then we 
have this wiki, and as far as I know we also have the Calc Guide - are 
they the same or similar content?



于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 上午12:57:43, Ilmari Lauhakangas 
 写到:


I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc
function wiki articles, which were marked for translation prematurely in
2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a
couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve
Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for content
correctness.

This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now safe to
translate!

You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation  
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation>

The full list of Calc function articles is here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions  
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions>

Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount of
work for translators.

I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently 142 in
the todo-list).

Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc 
function wiki articles, which were marked for translation prematurely in 
2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a 
couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve 
Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for content 
correctness.


This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now safe to 
translate!


You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation

The full list of Calc function articles is here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions


Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount of 
work for translators.


I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently 142 in 
the todo-list).


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Removing Nabble references from LibreOffice websites

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 12.11.2021 11.10, Mike Saunders wrote:

Hi everyone,

Thanks as always for your help in maintaining the native-language 
versions of the LibreOffice website! We're no longer using Nabble as an 
interface for mailing lists, but we still have some links and references 
to it on our websites.


I've removed all references to it from the English and German websites, 
and if other maintainers of sites in other languages can do the same, 
that would be a big help! A quick way to see where Nabble references are 
is by searching for:


  site:libreoffice.org nabble

on Google or DuckDuckGo (although the latter seems to have some results 
that have already been changed).


Thanks again for all your help :-)


I have just made 22 edits to TDF wiki, replacing Nabble links with 
working ones where I could. I didn't touch obsolete articles.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Minor wiki detail: getting rid of translatable categories

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

In the wiki there are category pages in the form of Category:Thing. Most 
of these do not contain any explanatory text and the ones that do have 
something self-evident like "Pages related to Thing". They are listed in 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Categories


Probably due to a practice of copying & pasting from older pages, some 
category pages contain an OrigLang template, which has lead to the 
creation of translated category pages. However, they usually don't even 
have a translation of the explanatory text (if there even is such a text 
in the original).


I would like to remove these unnecessary pages to reduce the complexity 
of the wiki. Please let me know, if there are objections to the idea.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: Our new website is progressing - have a look!

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.9.2021 17.47, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

Hello,

as some of you may know, a small but growing team has been working on a 
completely new website over the past months, and we're making good 
progress!


Apart from a new and fresh design, that will finally also properly 
support mobile phones and tablets, we've spent quite some time on the 
backend system and shared various bits of information with you on this 
already.


We've decided to go with the Hugo static site generator, storing the 
content in Markdown files and tracking changes in Git. There is no 
longer a need to request permission for editing the content or the site 
structure and localisation can happen in Weblate.


As the website should be for you, our Community, we're eager to hear 
your feedback on the editing process of the proposed new website and 
we've decided to provide another testing facility! Master choreographer 
Guilhem whipped up an infrastructural dance routine, which makes it 
possible to preview changes to the website online. Please do give it a 
try and share your questions and feedback with us:

- here on the mailing list
- privately to ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org
- on the #tdf-infra chat channel 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/IRC#Channels


We'd like to encourage especially the localisers who need unique pages 
to try things out.


Editing the website comes in three easy steps:

1. Edit the website in Gerrit as in the recorded demonstration: 
https://www.ilmarilauhakangas.fi/gerrit_website_demo.mkv


It occurred to me that one can not click links in videos, so here is the 
direct link for creating a change:

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/admin/repos/infra/libreofficeorg,commands

Here is the main view of the repository, with the readme:
https://git.libreoffice.org/infra/libreofficeorg/


2. Wait 5 minutes
3. Visit https://newdesign2.libreoffice.org/changes/1234 where 1234 is 
your Gerrit change number


All kinds of nonsensical changes are welcome - just write the commit 
message in a way that it is clear you are testing.


Don't hesitate to reach out for any questions you may have!


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Our new website is progressing - have a look!

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.9.2021 21.11, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:53 PM Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:


Hello,

as some of you may know, a small but growing team has been working on a
completely new website over the past months, and we're making good
progress!

Apart from a new and fresh design, that will finally also properly
support mobile phones and tablets, we've spent quite some time on the
backend system and shared various bits of information with you on this
already.

We've decided to go with the Hugo static site generator, storing the
content in Markdown files and tracking changes in Git. There is no
longer a need to request permission for editing the content or the site
structure and localisation can happen in Weblate.

As the website should be for you, our Community, we're eager to hear
your feedback on the editing process of the proposed new website and
we've decided to provide another testing facility! Master choreographer
Guilhem whipped up an infrastructural dance routine, which makes it
possible to preview changes to the website online. Please do give it a
try and share your questions and feedback with us:
- here on the mailing list
- privately to ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org
- on the #tdf-infra chat channel
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/IRC#Channels

We'd like to encourage especially the localisers who need unique pages
to try things out.

Editing the website comes in three easy steps:

1. Edit the website in Gerrit as in the recorded demonstration:
https://www.ilmarilauhakangas.fi/gerrit_website_demo.mkv
2. Wait 5 minutes
3. Visit https://newdesign2.libreoffice.org/changes/1234 where 1234 is
your Gerrit change number

All kinds of nonsensical changes are welcome - just write the commit
message in a way that it is clear you are testing.

Don't hesitate to reach out for any questions you may have!

Ilmari


> Hi, I've looked at the video and I want to see if I could add RTL support
> for Hebrew, Arabic, Persian, etc. the only thing I need to find is a 
way to

> determine these languages are selected so that the right CSS will be
> applied.

Ok, I've added this logic to the html element attributes: lang="{{ 
.Site.Language.Lang }}" dir="{{ .Site.Language.LanguageDirection | 
default "ltr" }}"


...as well as commented out direction specifications in the config.toml. 
Commented out, because the site will not build if the languages are 
defined, but their content does not exist.


As we are still in the feedback phase, the exact localisation and 
content structuring strategy has not been decided. I would expect us to 
use separate directories for localised content as in 
https://gohugo.io/content-management/multilingual/#translation-by-content-directory


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Our new website is progressing - have a look!

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Hello,

as some of you may know, a small but growing team has been working on a 
completely new website over the past months, and we're making good progress!


Apart from a new and fresh design, that will finally also properly 
support mobile phones and tablets, we've spent quite some time on the 
backend system and shared various bits of information with you on this 
already.


We've decided to go with the Hugo static site generator, storing the 
content in Markdown files and tracking changes in Git. There is no 
longer a need to request permission for editing the content or the site 
structure and localisation can happen in Weblate.


As the website should be for you, our Community, we're eager to hear 
your feedback on the editing process of the proposed new website and 
we've decided to provide another testing facility! Master choreographer 
Guilhem whipped up an infrastructural dance routine, which makes it 
possible to preview changes to the website online. Please do give it a 
try and share your questions and feedback with us:

- here on the mailing list
- privately to ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org
- on the #tdf-infra chat channel 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/IRC#Channels


We'd like to encourage especially the localisers who need unique pages 
to try things out.


Editing the website comes in three easy steps:

1. Edit the website in Gerrit as in the recorded demonstration: 
https://www.ilmarilauhakangas.fi/gerrit_website_demo.mkv

2. Wait 5 minutes
3. Visit https://newdesign2.libreoffice.org/changes/1234 where 1234 is 
your Gerrit change number


All kinds of nonsensical changes are welcome - just write the commit 
message in a way that it is clear you are testing.


Don't hesitate to reach out for any questions you may have!

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Guided website editing demo today

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 15.7.2021 15.56, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 14.7.2021 9.44, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
I will give a demonstration on how the Gerrit editing of the 
work-in-progress website works today at 16:00 UTC+0.


The room is https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/websitedemo

The idea is that someone shares their screen and I guide them in 
making some simple edits to the website. I will record the session, so 
it can be shared with others.


Nobody arrived at the demo, but now we have a volunteer willing to test 
things out. New time is Mon 19 July at 18:00 UTC+0


Here is a recording of me guiding Daniel in doing a simple edit:

https://www.ilmarilauhakangas.fi/gerrit_website_demo.mkv

I am hosting it on my own site, because Nextcloud still has a bug 
preventing public file shares.


As mentioned in the video, Gerrit 3.4 will have a simplification of the 
needed steps. They added a "Publish" button into the editor itself.


What is left to the imagination is a preview of the edited site. A link 
to it would appear in a Gerrit comment by automation.


Further improvements to Gerrit itself might include

- start editing a particular file directly from the Gitiles file list
- full directory listings and navigation in the file adding dialog, so 
you don't have to know what you are after
- ProseMirror plugin for a more word processor -like experience 
https://prosemirror.net/examples/markdown/


These need an experienced JavaScript developer, but I am constantly 
recruiting for such a role.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Guided website editing demo today

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 14.7.2021 9.44, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
I will give a demonstration on how the Gerrit editing of the 
work-in-progress website works today at 16:00 UTC+0.


The room is https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/websitedemo

The idea is that someone shares their screen and I guide them in making 
some simple edits to the website. I will record the session, so it can 
be shared with others.


Nobody arrived at the demo, but now we have a volunteer willing to test 
things out. New time is Mon 19 July at 18:00 UTC+0


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Guided website editing demo today

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I will give a demonstration on how the Gerrit editing of the 
work-in-progress website works today at 16:00 UTC+0.


The room is https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/websitedemo

The idea is that someone shares their screen and I guide them in making 
some simple edits to the website. I will record the session, so it can 
be shared with others.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Special:MyLanguage in wiki page links

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Some time ago I wrote about possibly using Special:MyLanguage in wiki 
page links instead of {{#translation:}}


I have now converted all the links in 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base to use the special prefix.


The way it works, explained in the context of the German page 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/de


If you visit the page with the default English wiki language (the 
language selector is in the topmost menu with Log in/out), clicking the 
page links will lead to the English version. After reaching the English 
page, you can click Deutsch from the language menu to see the German 
version if you want.


If you change your wiki language before clicking any of the page links 
in the FAQ index, the links will either lead to the page in your 
preferred language or to the English version in case a translated page 
does not yet exist.


I wanted to announce my intention to move to this convention everywhere. 
Before starting on the conversion and documentation changes, I will wait 
for a couple of weeks to give everyone some time to reflect on the topic.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Update of TSCP example file for localization

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 16.6.2021 0.41, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

V V tor., 15. jun. 2021 ob 19:49 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:


Hi all.

Localization teams may want to follow the example below and update +
localize their TSCP configuration file:

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/117267

The strings of this file are not brought to weblate.

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V V tor., 15. jun. 2021 ob 23:38 je oseba Martin Srebotnjak <
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Hello, Olivier,

what is this now?
How is it possible that this cannot be localized via po files?

Lp, m.


> What can we do with the link you provided?
> What English strings need to be translated?
> This is very poorly managed for the stake of l10n teams...
>
> Please give detailed directions for every single instance of a file that
> needs to be localized outside of Weblate.
> This cannot be some black magic, handled by the Documentation team 
and not

> clearly documented for the l10n teams ...
>

Here you can see the existing files:

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/refs/heads/master/sfx2/classification/

You can add new files or edit existing files in the Gerrit web 
interface: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/Documentation/user-inline-edit.html


In the Open File dialog, input sfx2/classification/example_...xml 
according to your language code.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Need help with site editing

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 8.5.2021 17.36, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 8.5.2021 14.59, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 8.5.2021 14.07, Євген Кондратюк wrote:

The link to "Get involved" page in Ukrainian Wiki doesn't change its
naming, although the entire page is translated.

How to fix it?

See, how it looks like https://photos.app.goo.gl/rauYwB8uzDc7shcL6


I had never thought about this. I looked into it now.

In the Sidebar we refer to "system messages": 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MediaWiki:Sidebar


Except for getinvolved-description and donate-description, the 
messages are from upstream MediaWiki.


I tried making 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MediaWiki:Getinvolved-description 
translatable, but it did not work - the Sidebar text showed the raw 
markup.


I asked in #mediawiki for advice.


I got advice and created a task 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/3525


Unfortunately, translating will be limited to the group interface-admin, 
which we do not want to assign to wiki editors in general. Thus, all 
translations have to go through me.


Guilhem was quick to act and now I can add translations via 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Translate/wiki-sidebar


I added Долучитись for now. Translators can email me privately, if they 
want to add translations for "Get involved" and "Support LibreOffice!"


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Need help with site editing

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 8.5.2021 14.59, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 8.5.2021 14.07, Євген Кондратюк wrote:

The link to "Get involved" page in Ukrainian Wiki doesn't change its
naming, although the entire page is translated.

How to fix it?

See, how it looks like https://photos.app.goo.gl/rauYwB8uzDc7shcL6


I had never thought about this. I looked into it now.

In the Sidebar we refer to "system messages": 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MediaWiki:Sidebar


Except for getinvolved-description and donate-description, the messages 
are from upstream MediaWiki.


I tried making 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MediaWiki:Getinvolved-description 
translatable, but it did not work - the Sidebar text showed the raw markup.


I asked in #mediawiki for advice.


I got advice and created a task 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/3525


Unfortunately, translating will be limited to the group interface-admin, 
which we do not want to assign to wiki editors in general. Thus, all 
translations have to go through me.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Need help with site editing

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 8.5.2021 14.07, Євген Кондратюк wrote:

The link to "Get involved" page in Ukrainian Wiki doesn't change its
naming, although the entire page is translated.

How to fix it?

See, how it looks like https://photos.app.goo.gl/rauYwB8uzDc7shcL6


I had never thought about this. I looked into it now.

In the Sidebar we refer to "system messages": 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MediaWiki:Sidebar


Except for getinvolved-description and donate-description, the messages 
are from upstream MediaWiki.


I tried making 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/MediaWiki:Getinvolved-description 
translatable, but it did not work - the Sidebar text showed the raw markup.


I asked in #mediawiki for advice.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 05140100.xhp -- LibreOffice Help - master text/shared/01

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 4.4.2021 6.01, Ming H. wrote:

if "shown in Writer Help":
 display "Create new paragraph, character, frame, page, list, and 
table styles from objects that are formatted manually to the new style that you want to create."
else if "shown in Calc Help":
 display "Create new cell and page styles from manually modified 
cell or page formatting."
else:
 display "Create new graphic styles from objects that you have 
formatted manually to the new style that you want to create."

I don't know exactly why the English original is constructed in such a 
splintered way,
but it won't hurt if you just use three different full sentences in your 
translation. Just
be careful to put the proper XML tags in the correct places, as they won't 
match the
ones in English (perhaps Weblate and other tools will also complain that the 
tags
don't match).


It should be fixed as that sort of splintering is bad for translators. I 
will work on it.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 30.12.2020 10.58, Leo Moons wrote:
Not sure whether this is correct list for asking improvements to the 
Weblate process. So I will not post my issue here, but just ask where to 
post an improvement demand for Weblate.


https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice Online locked on Weblate

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 10.12.2020 7.56, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

sophi schreef op 09.12.2020 10:21:

Hi all,

For information, following the decision of the Board of Directors, the
LibreOffice Online project on Weblate has been locked.


> Hi Sophie
>
> Thanks or the information, but what does that mean?
>

It means TDF Weblate can no longer be used to translate LibreOffice Online.

For translating Collabora Online, see this: 
https://collaboraonline.github.io/post/translate/


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] wiki original text and translation of english differ

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.12.2020 0.11, sebul wrote:

Hello.

2020년 11월 28일 (토) 오후 4:17, Ilmari Lauhakangas
님이 작성:


Everyone has privilege to do it.

Ilmari


Everyone means me, too?
How can I do it? Help me please.



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Content_with_global_focus

Quote:
"When you add or change content in the source page, this will appear at 
the top of the page: This page has changes since it was last marked for 
translation. Click the link "marked for translation" to bring the 
translation system up to date following the same process as in the 
initial marking for translation."


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Localised gallery item titles - yay or nay?

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

There is this old request:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90864
GALLERY: image tooltips/names not translated

If it were to be implemented, localisation information would have to be 
somehow included inside the gallery packages. In other words, many 
unknowns and moving parts. Also pending the finishing of the migration 
to the new gallery package format.


I wanted to ask from the localisation community, do you consider it 
important to have these translatable?


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] wiki original text and translation of english differ

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Everyone has privilege to do it.

Ilmari

On 28.11.2020 6.14, Kevin Suo wrote:
That's because, as the warning text on the page 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/001 says, there are text 
on the original page NOT MARKED FOR TRANSLATION. This is normally due to 
someone changed the english text but the translation mark was not done 
from then - The translation mark seems to have be done manually.


We need someone who has privilege to do this


在 2020/11/28 下午12:02, sebul 写道:

I've found some strange points on wiki
How can I solve it?
Reference
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:Faq/General/001





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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] To find translation in the UI

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Ming H. kirjoitti 13.10.2020 klo 0.13:

-- Original --
From: "Ilmari Lauhakangas";;
Send time: Monday, Oct 12, 2020 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] To find translation in the UI


Perhaps you want to look at the unreleased version instead. In this
case, you would navigate to a place like
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86_64@tb77-TDF/current/
install the main package and also
LibreOfficeDev_7.1.0.0.alpha0_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi


If Eugene wants to translate the UI instead of the help documentation, this
is probably not a good idea.

As far as I know, the daily builds only include English UI, no other languages,
no KeyID.


Just tried reinstalling Win-x86_64@tb77-TDF master build and I am happy 
to say it includes KeyID as well as all the other languages.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] To find translation in the UI

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The version Kees mentioned was just an example. You would not use an old 
beta version. Kees gave you the link to find all the released versions: 
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/


The directory listing is in ascending order, so just scroll down until 
you find the directory corresponding to the latest version.


Perhaps you want to look at the unreleased version instead. In this 
case, you would navigate to a place like 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86_64@tb77-TDF/current/ 
install the main package and also 
LibreOfficeDev_7.1.0.0.alpha0_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi


Ilmari

Y.Sol.lei kirjoitti 12.10.2020 klo 11.06:

Thank you for the answer, Kees!
It seems very inspiring.
But I can't find a link to that version of LO. Could you share it with me?

Regards, Eugene.

пн, 12 жовт. 2020 о 09:16  пише:


The easiest way is to install the key-id version of Libreoffice.
Key-id versions exist for the alpha or beta versions of a release.
It is the file with qtz instead of the language in the name, like
LibreOfficeDev_7.0.0.0.beta1_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi

You can find all the different versions of LibreOffice on
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/

In this key-id version you will find codes before (almost) every
UI-item.
You can search for this code in Weblate.
Choose the project and your language and click Search.
Search criteria is “note: vwxyz”. (vwxyz is the code you found for the
UI-item)
This way you find your UI-item for translation.

I hope this is what you like to know.

Success, Kees

Y.Sol.lei schreef op 05.10.2020 11:56:

Hi, all!
I've decided to deepen the translational process, so ask you:
is there an exact way to find the location of the word in the UI ?
I suggest the "context" area may help, but don't know HOW...

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Redirection of translated wiki pages

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Dennis Roczek kirjoitti 16.9.2020 klo 18.07:

Hi Ilmari,

thanks for taking care of that request in our Telegram group.

Am 16.09.2020 um 13:53 schrieb Ilmari Lauhakangas:

Now, what is the general opinion? Should we switch to using
Special:MyLanguage for all links that refer to translatable pages?


If I remember correctly, then Special:MyLanguage only works useful when
logged in. Our wiki is by default (logged out) in German. So most
readers will be directed to the German content although that might not
be useful.

But even if we would use English as default language: If you are reading
Russian FAQ pages and click on a link as just a simple reader (no
contributor), then you expect getting to a Russian page and not to a
German/English one.

I'm oppose to that change.

@Floeff: If I remember correctly that decision was made because of
having a German foundation. Most services do use English as default
interface language. Is there a chance that we switch the wiki also to
English?


I'm not sure I understand. TDF wiki is definitely not in German while 
logged out.


Anyway, you can test the difference on this page: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base
The first listed item uses Special:MyLanguage while the others use 
{{#translation:}}


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Redirection of translated wiki pages

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

It was proposed that wiki links to untranslated pages in the form of 
Path/To/MyPage{{#translation:}} should redirect to the translation 
interface. I created a feature request for it: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263011


As can be seen from the discussion, we have the option to use links in 
the form of Special:MyLanguage/Path/To/MyPage


This creates a situation where:

- you have to change your wiki UI language to match the translated pages 
you want to visit via these links
- if the translation does not exist, you will be redirected to the 
English page
- if you want to visit a specific translated page while using a 
different UI language, you have to manually edit the URL in your 
browser's address bar after accessing it

- there are no red links

Now, what is the general opinion? Should we switch to using 
Special:MyLanguage for all links that refer to translatable pages?


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Priority of Translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I guess it could be approached in this way: which applications in 
LibreOffice are the most popular? I would say Writer and Calc. So you 
can start with their UI and their Help.


Ilmari

Jwtiyar ali kirjoitti 9.6.2020 klo 15.29:

Any help?

Jwtiyar Nariman
Google Map Maker (RL)
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:13 PM Jwtiyar ali  wrote:


Hey
Is there any priority of translation, i mean which part the user will
engage with most? I want to translate these first. like these ones about UI
.

Best Regards


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: LO translation, some questions

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Bugzilla is fine for translation issues, but for Weblate:
1. If there is a problem with TDF instance specifically, use 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/projects/infrastructure/issues
2. For any bug reports and feature requests towards the core 
application, use https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues


Ilmari

Julien Nabet kirjoitti 26.4.2020 klo 18.46:

Hello Martin,

Following below discussion, I had submitted 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132153 that 
Slovenian team fixed, great.


However I haven't seen yet any enhancements requests on Bugzilla 
concerning Weblate.


Would it possible you create some?

Julien

On 16/04/2020 14:56, Julien Nabet wrote:


Hello again Martin,

About Bugzilla, yes it's for reporting errors, not all ones (see 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport) but translations 
ones ok.


However, suggesting a fix on Weblate would be faster and more practical.

What are the problems on Weblate that you encounter? Slowliness? Lack 
of some features? bugs in some features?


Are there some bugs/requests for enhancement on Bugzilla related to 
Weblate? (I didn't find anything, perhaps missed them)


Indeed, I suppose as any soft Weblate is not perfect but trying to 
improve it might be possible.


The goal is to avoid extra work. Indeed, if every language team did 
the same, it would be very tedious.


Regards,

Julien

I noted that you

On 16/04/2020 14:26, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hello, Julien,

the Slovenian team does not use Weblate for translation of the LO 
package.
We use it only for LOOL. And we use Pootle for website translation 
(or used it for that, now there weren't string updates lately).


We investigated Weblate and did not find it that much better than 
Pootle to migrate our work there.


So we do not check suggestions there, because our work is not going 
on there.
If you find errors in Slovenian translation, report them to the 
bugzilla, that is what it is for. For reporting errors.


Regards,
m.

V V čet., 16. apr. 2020 ob 14:23 je oseba Julien Nabet 
mailto:serval2...@yahoo.fr>> napisala:


    Hello,

    Christian: I understand now why my Slovenian fixes weren't taken
    into account.

    Thank you for the tip about

https://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/cgi-bin/gunzip.cgi?tree=MASTER=1587004936.27388#err3 


    ! I could fix tags problem.


    Martin: Indeed, I'm not a Slovenian but I only fix obvious tag
    problems, not the language itself.

    You talked about better "TM management", about "certain updates
    faster" but did you compare with Pootle or did you also try
    Weblate and compare with it?

    It could be useful to indicate what could be improved in Weblate
    (perhaps you already did it?).

    Moreover, it means the suggestion of a Slovenian on Weblate won't
    be taken into account (like my fixes about tags, those weren't
    suggestions) or do you (or someone of Slovenian team) regularly
    take a look if there are any new suggestions?

    Regards,

    Julien

    On 16/04/2020 13:52, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

    Hi, Julien,

    thanks for noticing the error, I just updated Slovenian
    localization and Andras already checked it into master. So the
    error should not be there anymore.

    If you find any errors in strings that break build process,
    please let me know (or for better visibility and reference, file
    a bug in bugzilla).
    Please, do not change  Slovenian translations, as you are not a
    Slovenian l10n team member.

    Christian, Yes, I am not using Weblate (nor was I using Pootle)
    because of better TM management by my own system. Also,
    turnaround for certain updates is faster or more convenient for
    our team.

    Lp, m.

    V V čet., 16. apr. 2020 ob 11:16 je oseba Christian Lohmaier
    mailto:lohma...@googlemail.com>> 
napisala:


    Hi Julien,

    On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:41 AM Julien Nabet
    mailto:serval2...@yahoo.fr>> wrote:
    > Building with all langs and helpcontent, I noticed this:
    >
    > Entity: line 1: parser error : Opening and ending tag
    mismatch: root line 0 and literal
    > iÅ¡ite parametre funkcije a,
    literalb
    > […]
    > Indeed sl/helpcontent2/source/text/scalc/guide.po contains:
    > […]
    > However, I fixed this 11 days ago, see

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalcguide/sl/?checksum=fbc4a7f32d2a3bae 



    Slovenian still is in my list of languages not using TDF's
    translation
    tooling/was one of the languages that was updated
    independently via
    Andras, so changes in weblate are not added automatically 
when I

    update translations in the core repo.

    > Any idea what's wrong?

    Well, nothing necessarily wrong - what counts for the build
    process is
    what is committed to the translations repository.

    For weblate I'm 

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] panel admin in pootle

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Konrad K. kirjoitti 21.3.2020 klo 9.54:

Where i can found panel admin in pootle to add new translators and change
privilages?


Pootle is going away, so you should not use it.

Regarding Weblate: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/WeblateGuide#Roles

"When we were using Pootle, each language team had an administrator who 
was able to manage team's roles. In Weblate, it is currently not 
possible, you need to ask either on the l10n mailing list or ask Sophi 
directly."


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Better English term for Sidebar "decks"

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The word "deck" in "Sidebar deck" seems like a rather unintuitive term 
for translators. It mainly brings to mind the Star Trek Holodeck. Are we 
running an office suite or a (space)ship? This topic is being discussed 
here: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131078


Our documentation has not even caught up with the transition from 
"window" (as in "Styles window") to "deck", so the terminology and thus 
translations are all over the place. "Window" is misleading as we are 
essentially talking about different states in a panel.


I see in the Finnish translation we currently use a term analogous to 
"deck of cards", "pile" or "bow of a ship".


What came to my mind as a more translator-friendly term is "view".

Thoughts from localisers?

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate documentation on the wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

No, we plan to use Weblate and are already using it. Pootle will be dropped.

Ilmari

Y.Sol.lei kirjoitti 20.2.2020 klo 17.02:

As I understand, we plan to use Pootle service ?

чт, 20 лют. 2020 о 16:48 sophi  пише:


Hi all,

For Pootle we had a guide here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PootleGuide
because there was no documentation on Pootle at the beginning.
Do you think it's needed to have the same level of documentation for
Weblate? There is already a help provided with the product, so I think
to detail only our settings when they are specific or not obvious.
What do you think?
Cheers
Sophie


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[libreoffice-l10n] Extending Autocorrect lists

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Muhammet Kara filed this as an easyhack:
[tr] Extend Autocorrect list for Turkish language 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130711


It might be a good idea to do for other languages as well. If you would 
like to review such contributions for your language, create a report 
that follows Muhammet's example.


Component: Localization
Severity: enhancement
Keywords: difficultyBeginner, easyHack, topicDoc, topicQA
Blocks: AutoCorrect-Complete

Existing Autocorrect issues are here (but they include bugs as well): 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=103341_resolved=1


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate, where we stand currently

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Yes, Sophie will update it. I would not touch the translations yet.

Ilmari

On 1.2.2020 15.54, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:

Sorry for jumping in so late but it's the same subject:

Are we planning any fundemental changes to this wiki page before I'm going
on with translating it?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice

Thanks!
Yaron Shahrabani





On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:


sophi schreef op 28.11.2019 11:34:

Hi Kees,

Le 28/11/2019 à 10:16, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

I found some differences in the search options of Pootle and Weblate.
- When searching in Pootle you can select "Phrase match" and
Case-sensetive match. In Weblate I don't see that.


The naming is not the same, but in the Search type drop down list, you
find Fulltext, Substring, Exact match and regular expression.


Ah yes, I found it. Thanks for the tip.



- The results in Pootle are in a list and the amount of found items is
mentioned. In Weblate only one instance is shown and you have to
search
again for the next.


I get a list, for example searching for Open, I get 7 occurrences,
which
indeed it not complete, but it's a list. Could you send me a sample of
your search so I can reproduce it and see what's going on?


As I search for "Openen" (Open in Dutch) I get a list indeed. Again
thanks for the help.
I think it depends on what you are searching for.


After several tests, I finally was able to retrieve your request for
UJ5WP in the example you sent me. You need to add Exact match in the
Search type and check Comment strings, and you get the result quite
quickly. I'll add it to the FAQ too.


That is it. Great now it works. Thanks a lot for your help.


Looking at the documentation, it seems the search query has changed in
the next version, see:
https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/user/search.html
hope that will help us to fine tune string search


I hope so too.

Again. Thanks a lot Sophie.
Kees



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 6.4 "New Features" video script for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Mike Saunders kirjoitti 24.1.2020 klo 15.14:

Hello everyone,

I'm finishing the video now, and the script is here, if anyone wants to
translate it for the subtitles:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/6.4_New_Features_Script


Un momento, I will make it translatable and move French strings to their 
own proper place.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Mistake done on the wiki translation + past translations for French

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

William Gathoye (LibreOffice) kirjoitti 22.1.2020 klo 19.00:

Hello everyone,

Good news, I have retranslated everything in French for the user profile
page [1].

The only issue I have is that when special characters needed to be
escaped for in-article anchors. I had to submit a dummy translation to
get the accentuated characters escaped, check the link that has been
generated and integrate that link back into the translation.

See the line with:
[[UserProfile/fr#Emplacements_par_d.C3.A9faut|décrit plus bas]]

In "Emplacement par défaut", since I have an accentuated character, I
had to create the in-article link in two steps like described above. I
was wondering whether MediaWiki was allowing a simpler solution.

Thanks for your highlights,

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile/fr


Possibly a request could be created in 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/271/ -> Open tasks -> 
Create Task (top right)


I could not find an existing task for it.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Mistake done on the wiki translation + past translations for French

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

William Gathoye (LibreOffice) kirjoitti 9.1.2020 klo 14.06:

Hello everyone,

When I need to illustrate tweets or explain how to do some stuff to
people I'm helping via the LibreOfficeFR twitter account or via our Ask
instance, I often have to link to the page dedicated to the user profile[1].

While this page was completely translated in French, since the moment
the new localization tool has been installed on MediaWiki, the past
translations are gone. Do we still have previous translations or do we
need to (re)translate everything?

Also, when translating the page dedicated to the ESC committee[2], I
made a mistake. My browser lagged and I miss-clicked on British English
rather than French, which means I now have created (by mistake) an
additional page for British English. How can I remove it?

Thanks for your help,

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile/fr
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ESC/fr


You can view history and click the last old version: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=UserProfile/fr=168198


The translation might be out of date, though. You can use the migration 
tool: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration 
according to the instructions here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Migrating_old_translated_content_to_the_current_system


If the content of some paragraph does not match, then re-translate it.

I removed the British English page.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fuzzybot wiki overwriting existing pages

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Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 28.12.2019 klo 23.14:

Il 28/12/19 05:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas ha scritto:

Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 28.12.2019 klo 3.51:

Il 27/12/19 22:37, Ilmari Lauhakangas ha scritto:
It does not completely delete the pages. The pages are found in the 
history, such as this in the case you pointed to: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Development/UsingOmegaT/it=146479 



If you want to maintain a page that does not have the same content 
as the English one, create a new page under the path 
wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/ and name it however you want.



Solved, i recreated this page and put the original content in it:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/it

This page was changed by user Dennisroczek and had a redirect to the 
new one.


I moved it under https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione 
because the /it suffix served no purpose.


Ilmari


Hello,

Well, if you have admin permissions, could you then delete that page? I 
created that page but I intended to create another url; the system 
didn't let me do it.


And after that disable redirect of this page: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/OmegaT-IT


I need to put the content of the first page in the second one. If you 
can set the second page as a normal page (not a redirect), I can put the 
content in it, so to take it back to the situation that existed before 
the user dennisroczek made the redirect.


Apologies for the delay, I was traveling.

Of your requests, only the deletion requires special privileges. You can 
access and edit the redirect page by clicking the link that appears 
after "(Redirected from" at the top of the page.


I made all the changes you wished for, so the content is now only in 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/OmegaT-IT


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fuzzybot wiki overwriting existing pages

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 28.12.2019 klo 3.51:

Il 27/12/19 22:37, Ilmari Lauhakangas ha scritto:
It does not completely delete the pages. The pages are found in the 
history, such as this in the case you pointed to: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Development/UsingOmegaT/it=146479 



If you want to maintain a page that does not have the same content as 
the English one, create a new page under the path 
wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/ and name it however you want.



Solved, i recreated this page and put the original content in it:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/it

This page was changed by user Dennisroczek and had a redirect to the new 
one.


I moved it under https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione 
because the /it suffix served no purpose.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fuzzybot wiki overwriting existing pages

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It does not completely delete the pages. The pages are found in the 
history, such as this in the case you pointed to: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Development/UsingOmegaT/it=146479


If you want to maintain a page that does not have the same content as 
the English one, create a new page under the path 
wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/ and name it however you want.


In the case of UsingOmegaT, the English version is very different from 
the old Italian one.


If the page contents match, one can use the page migration tool. The 
wiki translation system instructions are here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual


Ilmari

Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 27.12.2019 klo 23.28:

Hello all,
Anybody responsible for the wiki knows why the fuzzybot completely 
deletes already existing pages?
Isn't there a system to avoid overwriting pages if a localized version 
of the english one is already existent (since a very long time I would 
add).

Thank you



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate, where we stand currently

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Sophie and Christian can answer the bug documentation question, but I 
thought I would point out some things that show our wishes are fairly 
well aligned with Weblate's roadmap.


Michal recently commented on an issue that was discussed on this list 
early in the testing: grouping things.

"Typical example which would utilize some kind of nesting is LibreOffice."
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/263#issuecomment-548916222
The issue was labeled "undecided" before this comment.

Michal is considering switching to PostgreSQL, which would probably be 
very nice in our case (better performance, less memory use on the 
server). Also: "Another nice benefit of switching to Postgres might be 
using Amagama instead of writing translation memory service on our own".

https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/2825

Ilmari

Yaron Shahrabani kirjoitti 20.11.2019 klo 0.01:

Which parts of this feedback was shared with Michal, the lead developer of
Weblate?
Is there any documentation about the reported bugs and where they stand?
i
I'm asking because I think that if the suggestion is to try and develop a
new system instead of investing in Weblate I believe it's a waste of time.
Yaron Shahrabani





On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 9:44 PM khagaroth  wrote:


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 8:15 PM sophi  wrote:


Thanks for your feedback, did you tested it? I see: 'Added ZIP download
for more translation files' in the release notes, but does it allow to
add all files of project to a zip?


Yes it downloads a ZIP of the whole project / component / language
depending where in the project hierarchy you use the download option.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate, where we stand currently

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sophi kirjoitti 19.11.2019 klo 21.15:

Hi Khagaroth,
Le 19/11/2019 à 19:49, khagaroth a écrit :

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 5:14 PM sophi  wrote:


- The main problem seems that we can't download all files in one step,
here also Christian is looking at a way to download via Gerrit and avoid
using command line and API.


Use Weblate 3.9.


Thanks for your feedback, did you tested it? I see: 'Added ZIP download
for more translation files' in the release notes, but does it allow to
add all files of project to a zip?


That is what they advertise:

"If you like to download the package of all translations of your 
project, component, or language, get the ZIP of your choice with one 
click now."

https://weblate.org/en/news/archive/new-weblate-39/

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Feature comparison wiki page now uses Translate extension

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Ok, now I finished copying the old and relevant Slovenian translations. 
Martin can continue from here.


Ilmari

Ilmari Lauhakangas kirjoitti 13.10.2019 klo 13.17:
Can you be more specific? I did not port anything over, except the 
heading "Introduction". The yes/no/partial strings come from the 
templates now.


If you don't want to copy the old translations to the new system, I will 
do the work myself.


Ilmari

On 13.10.2019 13:07, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Sorry, but what you ported over is really to no use. Please make
Slovenian page untranslated, fully in English.

I will not waste my time with this page after you trashed all my past
translations of it.

Lp, m,.

V V ned., 13. okt. 2019 ob 11:18 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas
 napisala:


On 11.10.2019 17:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 11.10.2019 14:00, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

Perhaps the most complex translatable page in our wiki now uses
Translate extension:



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office 



The change is unfortunately disruptive for the languages that had

the

most complete translations (sorry, Japanese team!). There is no

point

in using the migration tool, because the translations have been

broken

into smaller units. Please pick the earlier version from the

version

history and copy translated content from it.

To make things a bit less painful, I will add some often-repeated
translations (yes/no/supported/not supported) for es, fr, ja, ko,

ru,

sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans. I would already have done it, but our
server infrastructure is experiencing problems that prevent

working on

the wiki. So please let me do these first.

As a positive thing, the translations are now in smaller units,

so

there will be less annoying wiki markup for the translators to

see

while they work. I scripted the addition of  elements

to

table cells and manually did the rest. I did not aim for a 100%
perfectionist approach, because it would have been too much work.


And now, to my horror, I realise that the yes/no/partial templates

had

been used incorrectly in the page. I should have fixed the use of

the

templates before marking the page for translation. Unfortunately,

I

will be unable to do this before Monday next week. I hope it is

not an

inconvenience, but please refrain from touching the translations

until

I fix things.

I will have to
1. enable translations for the templates themselves
2. translate their texts to the languages I mentioned in the

previous

email
3. make it so the template instances in the table cells are always

of

the format {{yes}}, so all additional text is always outside the
instance
4. refer to the templates using the form {{yes{{#translation:,

so

the desired translation will be picked from the template

translation

All right, I managed to sneak in several hours of work during the
weekend after all. Thanks to Adolfo, who intervened at a time the
behaviour of MediaWiki had me completely confused regarding the
translation of templates.

So now the templates

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Yes
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:No
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Partial

have translations in es, fr, ja, ko, ru, sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans
(and
some extra ones thanks to Adolfo). I am not 100% sure about Partial
in
zh-tw and zh-hans, so do correct me if I messed it up.

The cache for the translated Feature comparison pages has been
busted by
translating the Introduction heading. You can now proceed with
translating the page.

Even more work was put into excluding unnecessary strings from the
translations. Hopefully everything is fine.

Ilmari


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Current status of Weblate?

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Allan Nordhøy kirjoitti 2.11.2019 klo 15.21:

Den 02.11.2019 14:15, skrev Stanislav Horáček:

Is addressing of these issues planned? In other words, is it worth to
wait with translation, or should we live with what we have now?

Depends what you mean. Translations are not saved on the demo interface
now AFAIK.


The translations on https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/ are saved. 
They will not be thrown away.


See the earlier message from Christian: 
https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg12085.html


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Feature comparison wiki page now uses Translate extension

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Can you be more specific? I did not port anything over, except the 
heading "Introduction". The yes/no/partial strings come from the 
templates now.


If you don't want to copy the old translations to the new system, I will 
do the work myself.


Ilmari

On 13.10.2019 13:07, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Sorry, but what you ported over is really to no use. Please make
Slovenian page untranslated, fully in English.

I will not waste my time with this page after you trashed all my past
translations of it.

Lp, m,.

V V ned., 13. okt. 2019 ob 11:18 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas
 napisala:


On 11.10.2019 17:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 11.10.2019 14:00, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

Perhaps the most complex translatable page in our wiki now uses
Translate extension:




https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office


The change is unfortunately disruptive for the languages that had

the

most complete translations (sorry, Japanese team!). There is no

point

in using the migration tool, because the translations have been

broken

into smaller units. Please pick the earlier version from the

version

history and copy translated content from it.

To make things a bit less painful, I will add some often-repeated
translations (yes/no/supported/not supported) for es, fr, ja, ko,

ru,

sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans. I would already have done it, but our
server infrastructure is experiencing problems that prevent

working on

the wiki. So please let me do these first.

As a positive thing, the translations are now in smaller units,

so

there will be less annoying wiki markup for the translators to

see

while they work. I scripted the addition of  elements

to

table cells and manually did the rest. I did not aim for a 100%
perfectionist approach, because it would have been too much work.


And now, to my horror, I realise that the yes/no/partial templates

had

been used incorrectly in the page. I should have fixed the use of

the

templates before marking the page for translation. Unfortunately,

I

will be unable to do this before Monday next week. I hope it is

not an

inconvenience, but please refrain from touching the translations

until

I fix things.

I will have to
1. enable translations for the templates themselves
2. translate their texts to the languages I mentioned in the

previous

email
3. make it so the template instances in the table cells are always

of

the format {{yes}}, so all additional text is always outside the
instance
4. refer to the templates using the form {{yes{{#translation:,

so

the desired translation will be picked from the template

translation

All right, I managed to sneak in several hours of work during the
weekend after all. Thanks to Adolfo, who intervened at a time the
behaviour of MediaWiki had me completely confused regarding the
translation of templates.

So now the templates

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Yes
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:No
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Partial

have translations in es, fr, ja, ko, ru, sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans
(and
some extra ones thanks to Adolfo). I am not 100% sure about Partial
in
zh-tw and zh-hans, so do correct me if I messed it up.

The cache for the translated Feature comparison pages has been
busted by
translating the Introduction heading. You can now proceed with
translating the page.

Even more work was put into excluding unnecessary strings from the
translations. Hopefully everything is fine.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Feature comparison wiki page now uses Translate extension

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 11.10.2019 17:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 11.10.2019 14:00, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

Perhaps the most complex translatable page in our wiki now uses
Translate extension:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office

The change is unfortunately disruptive for the languages that had the
most complete translations (sorry, Japanese team!). There is no point
in using the migration tool, because the translations have been broken
into smaller units. Please pick the earlier version from the version
history and copy translated content from it.

To make things a bit less painful, I will add some often-repeated
translations (yes/no/supported/not supported) for es, fr, ja, ko, ru,
sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans. I would already have done it, but our
server infrastructure is experiencing problems that prevent working on
the wiki. So please let me do these first.

As a positive thing, the translations are now in smaller units, so
there will be less annoying wiki markup for the translators to see
while they work. I scripted the addition of  elements to
table cells and manually did the rest. I did not aim for a 100%
perfectionist approach, because it would have been too much work.


And now, to my horror, I realise that the yes/no/partial templates had
been used incorrectly in the page. I should have fixed the use of the
templates before marking the page for translation. Unfortunately, I
will be unable to do this before Monday next week. I hope it is not an
inconvenience, but please refrain from touching the translations until
I fix things.

I will have to
1. enable translations for the templates themselves
2. translate their texts to the languages I mentioned in the previous 
email

3. make it so the template instances in the table cells are always of
the format {{yes}}, so all additional text is always outside the
instance
4. refer to the templates using the form {{yes{{#translation:, so
the desired translation will be picked from the template translation


All right, I managed to sneak in several hours of work during the 
weekend after all. Thanks to Adolfo, who intervened at a time the 
behaviour of MediaWiki had me completely confused regarding the 
translation of templates.


So now the templates

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Yes
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:No
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Partial

have translations in es, fr, ja, ko, ru, sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans (and 
some extra ones thanks to Adolfo). I am not 100% sure about Partial in 
zh-tw and zh-hans, so do correct me if I messed it up.


The cache for the translated Feature comparison pages has been busted by 
translating the Introduction heading. You can now proceed with 
translating the page.


Even more work was put into excluding unnecessary strings from the 
translations. Hopefully everything is fine.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Feature comparison wiki page now uses Translate extension

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 11.10.2019 14:00, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

Perhaps the most complex translatable page in our wiki now uses
Translate extension:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office

The change is unfortunately disruptive for the languages that had the
most complete translations (sorry, Japanese team!). There is no point
in using the migration tool, because the translations have been broken
into smaller units. Please pick the earlier version from the version
history and copy translated content from it.

To make things a bit less painful, I will add some often-repeated
translations (yes/no/supported/not supported) for es, fr, ja, ko, ru,
sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans. I would already have done it, but our
server infrastructure is experiencing problems that prevent working on
the wiki. So please let me do these first.

As a positive thing, the translations are now in smaller units, so
there will be less annoying wiki markup for the translators to see
while they work. I scripted the addition of  elements to
table cells and manually did the rest. I did not aim for a 100%
perfectionist approach, because it would have been too much work.


And now, to my horror, I realise that the yes/no/partial templates had 
been used incorrectly in the page. I should have fixed the use of the 
templates before marking the page for translation. Unfortunately, I will 
be unable to do this before Monday next week. I hope it is not an 
inconvenience, but please refrain from touching the translations until I 
fix things.


I will have to
1. enable translations for the templates themselves
2. translate their texts to the languages I mentioned in the previous 
email
3. make it so the template instances in the table cells are always of 
the format {{yes}}, so all additional text is always outside the 
instance
4. refer to the templates using the form {{yes{{#translation:, so 
the desired translation will be picked from the template translation


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Feature comparison wiki page now uses Translate extension

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Perhaps the most complex translatable page in our wiki now uses 
Translate extension: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office


The change is unfortunately disruptive for the languages that had the 
most complete translations (sorry, Japanese team!). There is no point in 
using the migration tool, because the translations have been broken into 
smaller units. Please pick the earlier version from the version history 
and copy translated content from it.


To make things a bit less painful, I will add some often-repeated 
translations (yes/no/supported/not supported) for es, fr, ja, ko, ru, 
sl, tr, zh-tw and zh-hans. I would already have done it, but our server 
infrastructure is experiencing problems that prevent working on the 
wiki. So please let me do these first.


As a positive thing, the translations are now in smaller units, so there 
will be less annoying wiki markup for the translators to see while they 
work. I scripted the addition of  elements to table cells and 
manually did the rest. I did not aim for a 100% perfectionist approach, 
because it would have been too much work.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Guide to using Translate extension in TDF wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Hi,

I made a complete revamp to this page so it reflects the current 
reality: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual


Shout outs to So Yanaihara, Zdeněk Crhonek, Dennis Roczek and everyone 
migrating stuff to the new system.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Searching in Weblate

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues

But please check, if your wish is already covered by existing 
search-related reports: 
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+search


Ilmari

kees...@libreoffice.org kirjoitti 8.10.2019 klo 8.35:

Where can I file a bug for Weblate?
Is that also bugzilla?

Yaron Shahrabani schreef op 06.10.2019 09:47:

So I'm guessing you can file a bug against Weblate to add a feature to
search in context.
Good point!
Yaron Shahrabani





On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:38 AM  wrote:


I tried searching in Weblate.
I searched for the reference E6L2o.
In Pootle I got a match after about 10 seconds
In Weblate it took several minutes and it found no match.
I did the following in weblate:
In the main window I went to Tools > Find (don’t know the exact English
words, because I see them in Dutch)
I fill in the searched item in the box Find.
I tick all the boxes.
I leave the rest unchanged.
I chose my language. (it will be useful if my language is default)

Kind regards, Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

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kees...@libreoffice.org kirjoitti 1.9.2019 klo 8.00:

Christian Lohmaier schreef op 31.08.2019 15:39:

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:59 AM  wrote:


In Pootle, below a string to translate, there are suggestions with
former translations.
I miss those in Weblate, or are they somewhere ells?


Weblate has similar feature, see for example:
https://vm137.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textsdraw04/de/?checksum=f7176f58b13e677f#machine 



(But weblate only knows has master translations, thus no strings from
previous versions)

That is one feature of pootle that I will mis than.

The translation memory from previous versions can be imported: 
https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/memory.html


Translation memory scopes

New in version 3.2: The different translation memory scopes are 
available since Weblate 3.2, prior to this release translation memory 
could be only loaded from file corresponding to the current imported 
translation memory scope.


The translation memory scopes are there to allow both privacy and 
sharing of translations, depending on the actual desired behavior.

Imported translation memory

You can import arbitrary translation memory data using import_memory 
command. The memory content will be available for all users and projects.


https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/management.html#django-admin-import_memory

manage.py import_memory 

Imports a TMX or JSON file into the Weblate Translation Memory.

--language-map LANGMAP

Allows to map languages in the TMX to Weblate one. The language 
codes are mapped after normalization usually done by Weblate.


For example --language-map en_US:en will import all en_US strings 
as en ones.


This can be useful in case your TMX file locales does not match 
what you use in Weblate.



Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 29.08.2019 13:13, Michael Bauer wrote:

Sgrìobh sophi na leanas 28/08/2019 aig 11:04:

Hi Michael,

As said, Pootle is no more developed nor maintained, we need to find
alternatives for the future.

Ah I must have missed that. Would it not be easier to simply fork
Pootle? I mean, it's relatively mature as a platform so unless TDF is
needing a whole host of features for translation that Pootle currently
doesn't have, why not stick with what we know & have and tinker with
it as needed?


I am sure Pootle takes patches, there is no need to fork (it is not 
declared as abandoned, progress is just slow). The problem is having to 
do the work. With Weblate there is active development that does not 
require investment from us.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 29.08.2019 07:55, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

sophi schreef op 28.08.2019 10:42:

This is not possible currently on Weblate and I agree this is not the
best, but Weblate has many other nice features :)


Can you tell us more about those features.
So we don't all have to look for them.


Here are highlighted features: https://weblate.org/en/features/

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 28.08.2019 12:17, Michael Bauer wrote:

Sgrìobh sophi na leanas 27/08/2019 aig 15:37:

Your feedback is very welcome of course, we will take it into account
before making a decision.

Very first impression is "Not sure I trust them to do the job
properly". They list ga-IE as Irish (fine) but gd-GB as "Gaelic"
rather than the much clearer "Scots Gaelic" or "Scottish Gaelic".
Given the huge amount of confusion people have over Irish Gaelic, Manx
Gaelic and Scots Gaelic, that suggests a lack of thought/research when
language issues are concerned. We're going to have endless people ...
ok not endless, a number of people signing up for the wrong language.
Not fun for any locale manager either way.


Here are the language definitions: 
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/language-data


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

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On 28.08.2019 11:42, sophi wrote:

Le 28/08/2019 à 08:14, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

I agree with Cheng.
All the different small parts of items makes it uncomfortable to see
what to translate.
Better is to have one folder of untranslated items (like Pootle)
And saving a change and skip to the next item seems a bit slow to me.


This is not possible currently on Weblate and I agree this is not the
best, but Weblate has many other nice features :)


Who volunteers to create a feature request? 
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues


I was unable to find an existing request.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 6.3 New Features video: script for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

驿窗 kirjoitti 5.8.2019 klo 14.38:

Hi,

Here is the Chinese(simplified) zh-CN version script.


Ok, I added it: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/6.3_New_Features_Script/zh-cn


Next time you can translate the strings directly in the wiki by clicking 
on the "Translate this page" link on the English page and selecting 
zh-cn as the target language.


Ilmari



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 6.3 New Features video: script for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 05.08.2019 11:33, Mike Saunders wrote:

Hello everyone,

As usual, I've made a video showcasing some of the new features in
LibreOffice 6.3. The video will be public on Wednesday, and meanwhile
here's the script, if anyone wants to translate into another language.
Then I can add the translated subtitles:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/6.3_New_Features_Script

Also, for the first time, I've used the Mediawiki translation 
extension.

Hopefully I've done it right :-)


Thanks for doing the right thing :)

I added the language menu and wrapped each numbered list entry in 
translate tags. It seemed to be the cleanest way to preserve the 
numbering.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Wiki translation tech newsletter

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Welcome to another edition of "emails full of wiki translation tech 
jargon"! Let's see, what our elite team of wiki researchers has 
accomplished since the last one.


- Thanks to Guilhem, we can now set the source language of a page to 
something else besides English!

1. Visit https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageLanguage
2. Start inputting the page path into the "Page" field and pick the page
3. Select language

- We will get the automatic adding of the languages menu only after June 
2020, because we are targetting LTS releases of MediaWiki: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle


- The topic of copying the contents of a translatable page without the 
 tags came up and a solution was found. To achieve this, add 
/en to the path of the page like so: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.3/en and edit the page.
You should always do a fresh start for a new page, never bringing in old 
automatically generated translation tags.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

sophi kirjoitti 17.5.2019 klo 12.12:

Hi Ilmari,

Thanks for your detailed mail and pushing this work softly.

Just a quick question: you've tagged the FR FAQ, but it's the source
language for other translations, so will it still work that way or do we
(FR team) have to create it in English first?


Good question. This requires action from infra: 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2883


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Hello teams,

as you may know, we are slowly moving to a new wiki translation workflow 
provided by Translate extension. It offers an experience familiar to us 
from Pootle and similar systems: translation memory, immediate display 
of outdated content etc. It is a robust system, having seen 14 years of 
development.


I thought it would be a crucial step in the migration to stop luring 
people into creating new translations with the old system. I went 
through lots of pages that use the OrigLang template and removed it from 
pages without translations (using a semi-automated technique with 
JavaScript). A complete list of pages with OrigLang is here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:OrigLang


It then occurred to me that tackling pages with a single translation 
would be the easiest next step. This email is my call for help to these 
teams: Arabic, Chinese (simplified), Czech, Danish, French, German, 
Italian, Japanese, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Spanish and Turkish. At 
the end on this email I have included a selection of pages with only a 
single translation, grouped by language. I have curated the lists, 
skipping some obsolete stuff, but they are not 100% combed through.


The lists were produced by taking every entry from here 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Lang 
finding the unique ones with some shell scripting and sorting with 
trusty old Calc at the very end.


Here is a tutorial on using Translate extension on a page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example

Adding this element will render a language menu:

In the future, we could skip adding the element, though: 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2882


The old translations are not lost, when a page is modified to use the 
new translation system. You can migrate the old ones using this tool: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration


On a page using the new system, after you update the content you will 
see a notice at the top of the page: "This page has changes since it was 
last marked for translation". Click the link "marked for translation", 
review the displayed changes and click the button "Mark this version for 
translation" found at the end of the page.


Here you can see all the pages currently using the new system:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation

Feel free to contact me in public or private in case of any questions.

Ilmari

List of wiki pages with a single translation (do snip it from any replies):

Arabic:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors

Chinese (simplified):
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Color_blindness_issues
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/LibORelease
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Linux

Czech:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks

Danish:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/148
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Vanilla_for_Mac
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Bibisectzilla
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Implementation

French:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Advisories
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Dictionaries
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/fix_odp_fdo71428
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/How_to_create
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/011
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/013
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/015
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/016
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/017
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/020
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/022
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/118
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/136
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/137
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/138
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/139
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/140
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/141
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/146
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/148
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/How_to_connect_to_a_Microsoft_Access_database
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/003
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/008
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/009
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/011
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/019
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/023
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/041

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Broken assumptions about menu structure in help content

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

With a limited time budget, I would say focus on any module expect 
Impress & Draw. Some tasks are easier than others. Try to pick something 
that requires the least amount of structural churn. Maybe only update 
text content that has direct mentions to menu paths and skip the 
embeddable "how to get" definitions etc.


There are also changes in context menus. Perhaps some items have simply 
been removed - thus very easy to update.


My script for checking fileopen & filesave regressions was merged to 
dev-tools: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/71069/
It is found inside the /qa directory, if you clone the project from 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/admin/projects/dev-tools


Ilmari

Sophia Schröder kirjoitti 16.5.2019 klo 17.51:

Hello Ilmari, *,

I would be happy to help too, but I'm afraid, I have no much time even
in the next 2 weeks at least.

But it would be great to see one of my pet bugs goes before 6.3 freeze
arrives:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92825

What can I do (even with little time for now) for achieving this?

BTW: How is your work with the shell script ongoing?

Am 12.05.2019 um 19:42 schrieb Ilmari Lauhakangas:

Currently most of the help content referring to menus is incorrect and
has been for years. One reason for this sad situation is that due to
ancient structural decisions, it is outrageously difficult to adapt
the content to changes.

Here is the story in a nutshell:

1. The help system is architected. Repetition in content related to
menu items is avoided by clever structuring (hooray! the savings!)
2. Content is added, references to menus spread far and wide
3. Menu item locations are changed in a massive redesign operation,
making the help content obsolete

The pain is mostly caused by assumptions that certain menus of certain
modules are identical. Impress and Draw are the most problematic in
this regard.

Then we have the "how to access" pages with increasingly mixed
content. Consider the one for Edit menu, which now contains wonderful
entries like "Choose Edit - ImageMap in Writer and Calc or Tools -
ImageMap in Impress and Draw" or entries referring to a completely
different menu like "Choose Tools - Bibliography Database" and "Choose
View - Navigator".
https://helponline.libreoffice.org/6.3/en-US/text/shared/00/edit_menu.html


We need a system, where the help content concerning the location of
menu items is automatically generated from the menu bar definition
files. If shared information on menus is desired, it needs to be
produced automatically.

The reason I add l10n list in Cc is that I want to raise awareness of
the current situation. Having incorrect information translated into
nearly 200 languages just multiplies the number of negative
experiences. Translators cannot fix this on the level of strings, it
needs to be dealt with structurally. It would be great, if members
from the stronger translation teams (de, fr, id...) would participate
in the current manual effort on fixing the menu help information.

Here are a few patches from me that show, how the changes can be done:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/68830/
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/71436/
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/71703/

If people get interested, I can offer assistance.

Ilmari



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[libreoffice-l10n] Broken assumptions about menu structure in help content

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Currently most of the help content referring to menus is incorrect and 
has been for years. One reason for this sad situation is that due to 
ancient structural decisions, it is outrageously difficult to adapt the 
content to changes.


Here is the story in a nutshell:

1. The help system is architected. Repetition in content related to menu 
items is avoided by clever structuring (hooray! the savings!)

2. Content is added, references to menus spread far and wide
3. Menu item locations are changed in a massive redesign operation, 
making the help content obsolete


The pain is mostly caused by assumptions that certain menus of certain 
modules are identical. Impress and Draw are the most problematic in this 
regard.


Then we have the "how to access" pages with increasingly mixed content. 
Consider the one for Edit menu, which now contains wonderful entries 
like "Choose Edit - ImageMap in Writer and Calc or Tools - ImageMap in 
Impress and Draw" or entries referring to a completely different menu 
like "Choose Tools - Bibliography Database" and "Choose View - Navigator".

https://helponline.libreoffice.org/6.3/en-US/text/shared/00/edit_menu.html

We need a system, where the help content concerning the location of menu 
items is automatically generated from the menu bar definition files. If 
shared information on menus is desired, it needs to be produced 
automatically.


The reason I add l10n list in Cc is that I want to raise awareness of 
the current situation. Having incorrect information translated into 
nearly 200 languages just multiplies the number of negative experiences. 
Translators cannot fix this on the level of strings, it needs to be 
dealt with structurally. It would be great, if members from the stronger 
translation teams (de, fr, id...) would participate in the current 
manual effort on fixing the menu help information.


Here are a few patches from me that show, how the changes can be done:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/68830/
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/71436/
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/71703/

If people get interested, I can offer assistance.

Ilmari

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[libreoffice-l10n] Intention to rename some help files

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I am working on bringing Impress/Draw help content up to date with some 
of the menu changes. I intend to rename the files I touch to something 
understandable. You may want to sue me in the international criminal 
court of fuzzy translations, but I really feel the file names in the 
style of "0118" make working with help content unnecessarily painful.


The changes would only target 6.3 and happen before its string freeze.

Ilmari

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