Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Strings for LibreOffice websites

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 04. 04. 24 v 8:23 Ilmari Lauhakangas napsal(a):

On 3.4.2024 23.22, Stanislav Horáček wrote:

- Is there any preview of it? And is its source available?


Preview: https://newdesign2.libreoffice.org/refs/heads/master/en-us/
The top nav links don't work in the preview due to how the preview URLs 
are constructed. It is quite easy to run the site locally, though, as no 
web server setup is needed.


Source: https://git.libreoffice.org/infra/libreofficeorg/

Source for TDF site: 
https://git.libreoffice.org/infra/documentfoundationorg/




thank you! I agree that the local version is fully sufficient.

- Is it planned to migrate reusable translations of the current 
website or will they be wasted completely?


I certainly manually migrate as much as I can when I work on the Finnish 
translation and anyone can do the same.


Yes, but this is tedious and I'm afraind most of translators will not do 
it. If possible, it would be perfect to put current website translations 
into the translation memory to have them available as suggestions in 
Weblate.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Strings for LibreOffice websites

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I would appreciate more information about the new website:
- What is the time schedule to deploy it?
- Is there any preview of it? And is its source available?
- Is it planned to migrate reusable translations of the current website 
or will they be wasted completely?


Thank you,
Stanislav


Dne 03. 04. 24 v 13:28 sophi napsal(a):

Hello,

Strings for the new website design (Hugo site generator) are now 
available on Weblate:

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/website/libreofficeorg/

Cheers
Sophie


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Possible error on Help/shared/01.po

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

apparently we are working on the same file these days:) I try to fix 
such typos when I notice them and think my latest patches [1] [2] cover 
what you describe.


Otherwise, I would suggest to add a comment to the string in Weblate - 
my experience is that they are handled in a reasonable time.


Best regards,
Stanislav

[1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/help/+/161725
[2] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/help/+/161747


Dne 07. 01. 24 v 20:48 Valter Mura napsal(a):

Hi again,

it seems that in this file there are several mistakes/typos.

It would be appropriate review it and reload, before translating it.

Currently I'm inserting a comment (in my local file) for each typo I 
think I found.


Il 07/01/24 20:16, Valter Mura ha scritto:

Il 07/01/24 20:12, Valter Mura ha scritto:

Hi All

supposed error in Help

Comment:
csXLt
Files
DeleteColumns.xhp
Context:
DeleteColumns.xhp\n tit\n help.text

Now reads: /Rows/

Should correct to read: *Columns*


Ciao


Hi

also same supposed error in

Comment:
WBjQA
Files
EntireColumn.xhp
Context:
EntireColumn.xhp\n tit\n help.text

Now reads: /Rows/

Should correct to read: *Columns*

Ciao




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate glossaries policy

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

čt 28. 12. 2023 v 13:30 odesílatel Tuomas Hietala
 napsal:
> Having to delete unnecessary terminology strings is indeed annoying. IMO
> adding glossary entries to other languages should not be enabled by
> default. I opened an issue on Weblate's Github earlier:
>
> https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/8807
>
> If TDF is going to fund improvements to Weblate again (I hope so!), this
> could be one candidate.

thanks, I was not aware that there is already this request. I agree
that this is the solution - to control the possibility to add string
to all languages (maybe based on permissions).

Meanwhile, I realized that deletion of the strings does not affect
other languages, so it will work for our team, even if it is annoying
as you write.

Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Introducing Julia and the survey she works on

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

pá 22. 12. 2023 v 10:52 odesílatel sophi  napsal:
> Please reach out with any feedback, comments, or concerns you may have
> regarding the
> translation process. We truly value your willingness to participate, and
> I look forward to hearing
> from the community!

not sure how much it helps, but in my opinion these points would
improve the translation a lot:
- employing machine translation,
- sharing translation memory (now Weblate, wiki and user guides are
completely separated),
- reusing existing translations (current suggestions in Weblate do not
work if e.g. a string is split or markup is added, even if the content
is preserved),
- more flexibility when customizing the tools (cf. the Weblate
improvements tendering) and dealing with the infrastructure problems.

Best regards,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Weblate glossaries policy

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I would like to ask if there is a policy for adding strings to 
glossaries shared across all languages (i.e. the strings marked with the 
"terminology" flag).


Currently, there are many terminology strings which are not useful at 
all, only cluttering the glossaries (check yourself e.g. [1]). They are 
being added continuously and I deleted some of them, but I think it 
should be more controlled what is going in. In the glossary itself, I 
found a sentence suggesting that the initial idea was to use the shared 
part only rarely [2].


What are your opinions?

Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/browse/libo_ui-master/glossary/anp/
[2] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/glossary/en/?checksum=fa4ca0895bb6cde7


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Annoying issue

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 06. 09. 23 v 16:01 sophi napsal(a):


Does any one else experienced this issue?



I experienced the issue some time ago and reported it here [1], so it is 
probably a long-term problem.


However I haven't seen it recently (maybe because I do not translate so 
much as before).


Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/2022/msg00130.html

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] where are the translations for KeyID fEs2G and NrsVH for master ?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 30. 12. 22 v 14:11 Cristian Secară napsal(a):

În data de Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:16:28 +0100, Stanislav Horáček a scris:


the strings are not available for master, because the dialog has been
reworked for 7.5 and there are now "Recover selected" and "Discard
all" strings instead - see this bug [1].

[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114508
  
Ok, but then a further string-related fix is required: currently, string P8cfU says this:


%PRODUCTNAME will attempt to recover the state of the files you were working on 
before it crashed. Click 'Recover Selected' to begin the process, or click 
'Discard' to cancel the recovery.

=> change 'Discard' to 'Discard all' (as per string Mnk3v, I guess)



good point, thanks - I've submitted a patch for that: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/144956


S.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] where are the translations for KeyID fEs2G and NrsVH for master ?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 29. 12. 22 v 20:42 Cristian Secară napsal(a):

I was looking for fEs2G and NrsVH in translations for master, but could not 
find them. They are present, however, in translations for 7.3.



the strings are not available for master, because the dialog has been 
reworked for 7.5 and there are now "Recover selected" and "Discard all" 
strings instead - see this bug [1].


Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114508

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[libreoffice-l10n] Weblate - editing suggestions

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I know this was already reported before, but the problem is still there: 
when editing a suggestion in Weblate, then saving of that suggestion 
takes too long (maybe tens of seconds). When the suggestion is accepted 
without edits, it is saved immediately.


A workaround is to copy the text, reject the suggestion and enter the 
translation yourself - which is quite discouraging for the suggester (no 
credits for him), but still better than to waste time.


Thanks for any help,
Stanislav

P.S.: I feel that all such reports to this list are forgotten sooner or 
later. Is there a more suitable way how to report Weblate issues? (e.g. 
Redmine for the infrastructure?)


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Redirecting of the Get Help link for zh-CN

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

in such cases as this, I would suggest you to submit an issue to Redmine 
for infrastructure [1] - most of problems I reported there was resolved 
quickly.


However, we had the same "Get Help" request for our language [2] and 
nothing has happened for two years. (And now it is not so urgent as we 
have now a new documentation webpage instead of previous missing one.)


Best regards,
Stanislav

[1] https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/projects/infrastructure
[2] https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/3301


Dne 04. 11. 22 v 13:19 Kevin Suo napsal(a):

Hi Sophie,


 > This is something you can do by yourself (or the translators in your 
team). I searched for the string and it seems it's already the good link 
that is shown in master, see:
 > 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/instsetoo_nativeinc_openofficewindowsmsi_languages/zh_Hans/?checksum=41730b607260afdb

 > If you could provide the KeyID of the string, that would help :)


No, it is not that string on weblate. What I mean is that, when I click 
on the Help > Get Help Online menu item, the following webpage opens:


https://hub.libreoffice.org/forum/?LOlocale=zh-CN


And then it was immediately redirected to another link which may have 
been defined in somewhere else other then weblate. I remember some years 
ago there was a email requesting that the l10n team provide the support 
link for their language, and we have provided 
https://bbs.libreofficechina.org/. However, now we want to switch to 
https://zh-cn.libreoffice.org/get-help/community-support/ as it provides 
more support channels.



Kevin Suo



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate - unstable "unfinished strings"

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 11. 07. 22 v 12:55 sophi napsal(a):

Hi Stanislav,
Le 09/07/2022 à 13:36, Stanislav Horáček a écrit :

Hi,

I am still struggling with LO translation in Weblate (doing it partly 
there, partly offline) and I would like to share steps to reproduce a 
strange behaviour (maybe useful for the infra team) which I believe 
relates to the problems I reported bebore:


1. I have a file with let's say 60 untranslated strings (the number 
shown in the "unfinished" column of the file list).


2. I translate e.g. 30 strings of them - then the number of unfinished 
is 30.


3. If I click to the number in the file list, the unfinished strings 
are shown ("unfinished strings: state:box in the upper part). Their number is 30 ("1/30" shown in the 
navigation).


4. If I select the same option "unfinished strings: state:again, now there is 60 strings filtered ("1/60" shown in the 
navigation), including what has been already translated.


I can't reproduce the issue so maybe I'm missing something.
Do you mean that after uploading the file that you translated offline 
the number of strings to translate is wrong or is it you translated 
online and when coming back to the file list, the number is wrong?
The problem you reported before displayed an error message, is it still 
the case here?

Cheers
Sophie



sorry for the possible confusion, it has nothing to do with uploading 
files - happens after translating in Weblate only. Today I checked it 
again, it started to happen after translating 3-4 string (one was not 
enough).


This is perfectly reproducible for me, maybe related to our language or 
so if no one else can observe this - ?


The previously reported problem ("source string was changed" and loss of 
translation) still happens and it is related I think, because when this 
error message is shown, the number of unfinished strings is changed the 
same way.


Anyway, thanks for your interest and help:))
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Weblate - unstable "unfinished strings"

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I am still struggling with LO translation in Weblate (doing it partly 
there, partly offline) and I would like to share steps to reproduce a 
strange behaviour (maybe useful for the infra team) which I believe 
relates to the problems I reported bebore:


1. I have a file with let's say 60 untranslated strings (the number 
shown in the "unfinished" column of the file list).


2. I translate e.g. 30 strings of them - then the number of unfinished 
is 30.


3. If I click to the number in the file list, the unfinished strings are 
shown ("unfinished strings: state:the upper part). Their number is 30 ("1/30" shown in the navigation).


4. If I select the same option "unfinished strings: state:again, now there is 60 strings filtered ("1/60" shown in the 
navigation), including what has been already translated.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Unreliable translating in Weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 04. 05. 22 v 17:27 Christian Lohmaier napsal(a):

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 10:19 PM Stanislav Horáček
 wrote:


since the last Weblate upgrade (few weeks ago), when going through
strings to be translated, it happens quite often that a new translation
is saving for a long time and finally it is not saved with the message:
"Source string has been changed meanwhile. Please check your changes."


Well, I assume it is because the source string changed - of course
hard to tell exactly, but I do tend to update the templates more
frequently than in the past.

Concrete examples would help figuring out whether that's the case or not.



I encountered this problem again with the usual scenario: first tens of 
strings go smoothly, then the error message happened when I accessed the 
untranslated strings in the file [1] (i.e. by the link [2]) and then 
tried to save the string [3]. I think the third attempt to save it was 
successful - so I am not sure how much this helps if it is not 
reproducible and if all strings of that file are translated now.


Apart from that, there is still the issue reported here [4], but I guess 
that it is already on your radar.


Thanks,
Stanislav


[1] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui-master/cuimessages/cs/
[2] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/cuimessages/cs/?q=state:%3Ctranslated
[3] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/cuimessages/cs/?checksum=b811ee5f3da064d1_by=-priority,position

[4] https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/7300

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[libreoffice-l10n] Unreliable translating in Weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

since the last Weblate upgrade (few weeks ago), when going through 
strings to be translated, it happens quite often that a new translation 
is saving for a long time and finally it is not saved with the message: 
"Source string has been changed meanwhile. Please check your changes."


Does anyone observe the same, or is this something of my setup? An 
offline translation is an alternative, but I would prefer working Weblate...


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] No notifications in weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 28. 03. 22 v 10:51 Annabelle Wübbelsmann napsal(a):

Good morning,

since 14.03.22 I don't get notification emails for my watched projects
in weblate again. This problem was already occurs last year when weblate
was updated.

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Greeting
Annabelle Wübbelsmann



I can confirm that the same happens for me (maybe because of the Weblate 
update?).


Also, the issue with too slow saving of suggestions (when edited) still 
persists. Unfortunately, it occurs also if a suggestion is saved and 
edited afterwards (and copypaste & rejection would cause loss of credit 
for the suggester).


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Application Macros

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 03. 03. 22 v 18:37 Martin Srebotnjak napsal(a):

I am a bit confused by this new title. Isn't LibreOffice an office suite
and not an application? Its modules (Writer, Calc, ...) are
programs/applications ... Also, macros can be considered applications
themselves ... At least in Slovenian  verbatim translation of this strings
doesn't make much sense.

I am considering translating it as "Makri LibreOffice" (aka "LibreOffice
Macros"), hard-coding the LibreOffice string in there, because this is
actually what they are (these built-in macros do not change with other
vendors' office suite versions).

How do other l10n teams localize this string?



I decided to translate it as "Makra aplikace". I agree that it is 
ambiguous, but I think that still better than mixing "LibreOffice" with 
possibly different product name (I perceive that macros as related to a 
particular software installation).


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: help ranking what you need :)

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 23. 02. 22 v 9:47 sophi napsal(a):

Hi all,

The Board would like to dedicate a budget to fund some Weblate 
issues/enhancements and I'd like to have your feedback on what would be 
the most important for your team.


Below is a list of tickets that I monitor on Weblate project. This is 
what I think would help l10n teams to work faster but you may have 
others in mind. So please review and rank the list. If you have other 
tickets, also add them in the ranking. Thanks a lot in advance!




in my opinion, resolving these issues would help a lot (sorted from most 
important):


https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/4368
Improved presentation of differences in machine translations

https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/6440
Translation Memory Maintenance - Delete Entries

https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/1661
Suggestion rejection reason: possibility of explaining why you reject a 
suggestion


https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/3242
Ability to download all translation memory from a given project in a 
per-language basis


https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/263
Nested projects or project grouping


I can also confirm the annoying issue reported by Valter (maybe TDF 
instance specific?):

https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/7300

Thanks you,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate - missing suggestions from translation memory?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 23. 02. 22 v 11:09 sophi napsal(a):


We discussed your issue yesterday during our team meeting and Cloph 
removed older projects from the search. For me now, string [2] displays 
automatic suggestions and in a reasonable delay. Could you have a look 
and tell me if it's better for you too?




thanks for the investigation, however for me it is still the same for 
the string [2] - it took too long (between 5 and 10 minutes) and no 
suggestion was shown.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate - missing suggestions from translation memory?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 19. 02. 22 v 22:46 Olivier Hallot napsal(a):

Hi Stan

Em 19/02/2022 15:42, Stanislav Horáček escreveu:

Hi,

when translating new strings in Weblate, I encounter that the 
suggestions from translation memory are not reliable.


I also have very poor match from translation memory. When nothing comes 
out, or a poor match is thrown, I call Google translator to return 
better match for pt-BR, saving me a lot of typing effort.


In my case (pt-BR), machine translation supersedes weblate translation 
memory.




yes, I agree that machine translation is powerful and this reminds me 
another idea: on hosted Weblate [1] (where also Collabora Online is 
hosted), also machine translations (from Google, Microsoft and my 
favourite DeepL) are shown in "Automatic suggestions".


Would it be possible to add this feature also to TDF's Weblate? Or - if 
it was already considered, what was the conclusion about it?


Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] https://hosted.weblate.org/


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[libreoffice-l10n] Weblate - missing suggestions from translation memory?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

when translating new strings in Weblate, I encounter that the 
suggestions from translation memory are not reliable.


For instance, I have two Help strings [1] and [2] that were affected 
only by the change from "%PRODUCTNAME Macros" to "Application Macros" 
(this commit: [3]) - so I would expect that the previous translations 
for "%PRODUCTNAME" will be offered by the suggestions from translation 
memory.


It works perfectly for the string [1], whereas for the string [2], after 
a long time of loading (about few minutes, which is not acceptable 
anyway) no suggestion is received.


The workaround is clear: I have to go to old downloaded translated 
files, find the string there and copy the old translation - not needed 
to mention that the effectivness of the translation process is gone. I 
experience that this happens for longer, but also for too short strings.


Could anyone confirm this or look at it? I am afraid that this can waste 
many already translated strings that could be easily modified and used...


Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textsbasicshared/cs/?sort_by=-priority%2Cposition=3750


[2] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textsbasicshared/cs/?sort_by=-priority%2Cposition=3756


[3] 
https://github.com/LibreOffice/help/commit/e1da23a649197d960c8492373326e11286b3239e


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can we delete entries from TM?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 15. 04. 21 v 21:22 Mihail Balabanov napsal(a):

Hi,

Is there any way to edit Weblate's TM to remove erroneous or obsolete
translations? Sometimes we change terminology, or punctuation, or spaces,
making translations obsolete. More often than not, I click Save and after
that I realize that I have made a typo or that the translation should be
changed to match something that comes up several strings later.

Nevertheless, the old version of every translation I entered stays in the
TM. These obsolete translations gradually pile up and seriously increase my
cognitive load because I have to read them all carefully to decide what to
use every time I use the TM for a similar string (or the string gets
cosmetically changed *again*).

So, is there any way to delete unnecessary entries, or to 'reset' the TM to
only the strings that are currently used in the projects on Weblate,
discarding all strings that are not currently used in any project?

Cheers,
Mihail

PS Also, it would be a great help if it was possible to highlight the
differences between the English version of the current string and TM's
suggestions. Currently, I have to do that manually by copying them to a
diff app for every single string.



regarding the highlighting of differences, this issue is about it:
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/4368

I agree that this would speed up translating a lot.

Best regards,
Stanislav




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 7.1 New Features video: script for translations

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I think that the new physical animations are related only to Impress, 
Draw should not be mentioned there.


In any case, great video - thanks!

Stanislav


Dne 01. 02. 21 v 12:38 Mike Saunders napsal(a):

Hi everyone,

We've finished the video, and here's the script for translations as usual:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/7.1_New_Features_Script

Sorry it's a bit close to release, but thanks hugely in advance for any
translations! The last video had over 130,000 views and translations in
14 languages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XusjjbBm81s

Thanks again to everyone who contributed to that video too :-)



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[libreoffice-l10n] Deletion of glossary in Weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

could someone of Weblate administrators delete the Czech glossary for 
the Help project?


I've added the same glossary for both UI and Help originally, but now - 
when their glossaries are shared - I get duplicated items from them.


Thank you,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Strange Help strings in Weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

did anything go wrong with the Friday's update of Help master strings in 
Weblate? It seems there is an old version now: many still not translated 
strings disappeared and for instance, there is this string [1] that has 
been already replaced in the source in August [2].


Thanks,
Stanislav


[1] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textshared06/cs/?checksum=c097e5a132d23699
[2] 
https://github.com/LibreOffice/help/commit/3f692971e566b7445ceb42aab88fc48d49370b89#diff-c44a9d82f269a0b0d795efa87a0dcd26ab136f76abfab5203ad0cea8db0a7805


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: permission to see translation memory

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi Sophie,

Dne 20. 10. 20 v 14:02 sophi napsal(a):

Hi Stanislav,
Le 19/10/2020 à 22:15, Stanislav Horáček a écrit :

Hi,

we experienced that for a user of Weblate who has only the permissions
to make suggestions (i.e, not allowed to translate directly), only the
"Nearby strings", "Other langauges" and "History" tabs are shown.

Could this be changed to allow him to see also at least the "Translation
memory" tab? Otherwise the translator's effort can be redundant as he is
not aware that the same string has already been translated in the past
(and only the context has changed or small changes have been done).


I've added Use of translation memory and Use of machine translation
services to the role. Christian will have to further work on it to adapt
it to our own installation so the settings are not lost on update.
Cheers
Sophie



thanks a lot, confirmed that it works now.

Best regards,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: permission to see translation memory

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

we experienced that for a user of Weblate who has only the permissions 
to make suggestions (i.e, not allowed to translate directly), only the 
"Nearby strings", "Other langauges" and "History" tabs are shown.


Could this be changed to allow him to see also at least the "Translation 
memory" tab? Otherwise the translator's effort can be redundant as he is 
not aware that the same string has already been translated in the past 
(and only the context has changed or small changes have been done).


Thank you,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Info message for newcomers in Weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

in Pootle, we put some basic useful information for newcomers to the 
right-side panel (see it at [1]). In Weblate, the similar could be done 
by announcements [2] but it seems I don't have permissions to set them. 
Would it be possible to use them this way, i.e. to show a permanent 
message (with content specified by us) for a particular language?


Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] https://pootle.documentfoundation.org/cs/
[2] https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/announcements.html

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[libreoffice-l10n] Deleted translations in Help for master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

there is something strange with Weblate. After the update of source 
strings yesterday, some translations of Help that were made during the 
last week disappeared in the project "master", whereas they remained in 
the projects "6.3" and "6.4".


These translations were done in "master" and were propagated into "6.3" 
and "6.4" automatically (the Weblate feature). Specifically: language 
"cs", strings for table with document format starting with [1] for 
master, [2] for 6.4.


(One week ago, I noticed the same behavior, so it is not a temporary issue.)

Do I really need to retranslate all of them in master? Could you look at 
this?


Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] 
https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textsharedguide/cs/?checksum=56335ed77b8d85fd
[2] 
https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-6-4/textsharedguide/cs/?checksum=56335ed77b8d85fd


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Character in LibreOffce UI Master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 28. 12. 19 v 8:10 Berend Ytsma napsal(a):

Hello,

I just walking trough Master now cause 6.4 is finished for the Frisian
Language
and i see a special character which has changed.
Before there was  Help > Restart, and now  Help ▸ Restart
Is there a easy way to use " ▸" or must i copy it from the source.



you can also add the character to the "keyboard" shown above the 
translation field in Weblate. This can be done in settings > Settings 
tab (the second one) > Special characters box.


Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How to improve Help translation using vocabulary

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

it seems that this is a similar request as I mentioned here few days ago:
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/2183

Would it be a solution for you?

Stanislav

pá 13. 12. 2019 v 11:07 odesílatel Milos Sramek  napsal:
>
> Hi,
>
> In translation of the Help (and also the Tip-od-the-day strings) one
> often needs to look up translation of UI strings. There are two options
> how to do that: open LO and find the string there, and to search for the
> string directly in Weblate. Both are cumbersome.
>
> There seems to be a third option.
>
> The LO manuals are translated using OmegaT. There, one can upload UI
> translation to its vocabulary and OmegaT then highlights matches
> directly in the translated text - one can choose the right one by mouse
> click. This is very efficient and it ensures that the translations are
> correct.
>
> I think that something similar can be achieved also in Weblate. I have
> imported 16000 string pairs in vocabulary (there was no problem with
> that) and when translating a string, I get a list of suggestions I can
> choose from. For example, when translating the string
>
> /To start temporarily with a fresh user profile, or to restore a
> non-working %PRODUCTNAME, useHelp > Restart in Safe Mode/.
>
> I can find there translation of /Restart in Safe Mode/. I can transfer
> its translation to the editor by a mouse click.
>
> The problem here is that the algorithm behind vocabulary is very simple
> - it finds occurrences of each word in the translated string in all
> vocabulary entries. Thus for the string above I get 2000+ suggestions. I
> can find the right translation by searching in the browser for the
> source string. This is not optimal, but still better then the two
> possibilities mentioned above.
>
> I thing that the search algorithm can be modified easily so that it
> returns only useful matches - I would like to create an issue regarding
> that in Weblate's github. If one uses just a standard vocabulary (a list
> of translation of single words), no change would be visible.
>
> What do you think about this option? Do you also find it useful?
>
> Cheers
>
> Milos
>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Glossary in Weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 09. 12. 19 v 15:52 sophi napsal(a):

Hi Stanislas,

Le 07/12/2019 à 20:35, Stanislav Horáček a écrit :

Hi,

is it possible to use the glossary in Weblate? I have only access to
the "Browse", "Export glossary" and "History" commands, whereas I
don't see "Add new word" and "Import Glossary" [1].
This feature was available in Pootle (the project "Terminology" was
used for that) and it helps a lot to maintain translation consistency.
It would be nice to upload the terminologies from Pootle to Weblate
automatically, but, of course it would be enough if we can do it
manually.


This is now solved, you should be able to add your glossary to Weblate
and edit/modify it.
Cheers
Sophie




thanks! The glossary is really available and working.
Some of my thoughts about it:
- glossary is related to particular project, it would be good to have 
one common (requested here [1]),
- match of terms is done by single words, not whole phrases in glossary 
(requested here [2]),
- comments from submitted PO file are removed and not used in glossary, 
even if they would be useful to describe context of different translations.


And I really appreciate the new hardware - the problems with performance 
are now away!


Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/1158
[2] https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/2183

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[libreoffice-l10n] Glossary in Weblate

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

is it possible to use the glossary in Weblate? I have only access to
the "Browse", "Export glossary" and "History" commands, whereas I
don't see "Add new word" and "Import Glossary" [1].
This feature was available in Pootle (the project "Terminology" was
used for that) and it helps a lot to maintain translation consistency.
It would be nice to upload the terminologies from Pootle to Weblate
automatically, but, of course it would be enough if we can do it
manually.

Thank you,
Stanislav

[1] https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/user/translating.html#glossary

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Current status of Weblate?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 02. 11. 19 v 14:21 Allan Nordhøy napsal(a):


Den 02.11.2019 14:15, skrev Stanislav Horáček:

Hi,

I would like to ask about the current status of Weblate. If I
understand it correctly, only Weblate will be used for translation of
LO 6.4. However, currently the application looks more like testing
than ready for efficient translating.

To be specific:
- slow performance,

In terms of what? I find it is sometimes slow when a lot of strings are
loaded in zen mode.


The most important are saving translated strings (and going to the next 
one) and searching in strings - they are significantly slower than the 
same actions in Pootle (based on my today's experience, it could be 
temporary).



- translation memory and terminology are not included (should we add
them ourselves?),

It would have to be done by someone.

- instructions for translating refer to old Pootle, e.g. [1].

https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest is a honest attempt at documenting
Weblate.


Is addressing of these issues planned? In other words, is it worth to
wait with translation, or should we live with what we have now?

Depends what you mean. Translations are not saved on the demo interface
now AFAIK.


If e.g. translation memory is going to be added, then it makes sense to 
wait for the addition - otherwise I will start to translate without it.




Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice


allan / kingu



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[libreoffice-l10n] Current status of Weblate?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I would like to ask about the current status of Weblate. If I understand 
it correctly, only Weblate will be used for translation of LO 6.4. 
However, currently the application looks more like testing than ready 
for efficient translating.


To be specific:
- slow performance,
- translation memory and terminology are not included (should we add 
them ourselves?),

- instructions for translating refer to old Pootle, e.g. [1].

Is addressing of these issues planned? In other words, is it worth to 
wait with translation, or should we live with what we have now?


Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice

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[libreoffice-l10n] "Document signed but not all files" in LO online

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

could someone explain what does the new string "Document signed but not 
all files are signed." in LO online mean? Does it imply that a document 
can consist of more files?


Thank you,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle - Some differences in the Online Help against UI

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

you are right, your example has been fixed meanwhile [1], but in general 
the Help can be outdated. In that case, I would suggest to open a bug or 
you can report an error directly from Pootle (I think that Olivier goes 
through these reports and fixes the bugs).


Best regards,
Stanislav

[1] 
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/help/commit/?id=a0a0c66fd33aa7a8c441b58d52e49a018ca83d8c



Dne 13. 12. 18 v 20:48 Valter Mura napsal(a):

Hi All

I noticed that in some Pootle strings there are differences between the 
UI and the Help:


Just as little example:

In Help/Shared/00.po, comment rAJCr, I find the string: "Choose 
Modify - Distribution ($[officename] Draw)."


But if I search in the UI (Draw) I find: (menu) Shape > Distribution 
(and not menu Modify)


Am I wrong? Could you pls check and let us know? I suppose this is not 
the only occurrence.


If needed, I could open a bug.

Ciao


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fixing new spell out numbering styles in LibreOffice 6.1

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

great initiative, thanks!


Dne 3.5.2018 v 18:57 Németh László napsal(a):

Hi,

LibreOffice 6.1 will support “spell out” numbering styles of OOXML (One,
Two...; First, Second..., 1st, 2nd...),
as you can see in the following screen cast (only English, French and
German examples):

  https://youtu.be/c0j4Sjie8t4 

My questions to the native language speakers:

1. Are these numbers correct in your language?

You can check here, too: https://numbertext.github.io/
index.html#testimonials


Not correct for Czech: all words should be modified for ordinal numbers 
while it is the case for the last one only; there are also incorrect 
details in another categories.




2. Do we need to change the default format etc. according to the normal
usage of your country/language variant?

For example, in the recent implementation, British English and American
English differ with the “and”

101 -> “One hundred and one”: en-AU, en-GB, en-IE, en-NZ
101 -> “One hundred one”: en-US etc.

3. Is it enough to support only a single gender in Spanish etc. languages
to cover common outline and page number usage in publishing?

Book/Part/Chapter/Section/Page/Paragraph One, or simply One (normal usage
in English outline numbering)
First Book/Part/Chapter/Section/Page/Paragraph (less common in English, but
default numbering styles cover this, too)


I assume that support for all genders is needed, in Czech both masculine 
and feminine are commonly used for the outline numbering.


Best regards,
Stanislav




Note: there is a plan to use similar spell out formats in currency and date
formats of Writer, typical in contracts and invoices in several
languages. These formats are only supported in Calc yet by the NUMBERTEXT
Calc extension (or also in Writer macros via the new
com.sun.star.linguistic2.NumberText
service).

Best regards,
László

P.S: A recent question (comes from Rene Engelhard) for Hebrew contributors:

Is the Hebrew correct in the next line of resource file of the Numbertext
Calc extension:

NUMBERTEXT() וMONEYTEXT() פונקציות גליון Calc



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[libreoffice-l10n] Confusing string "Enable Content" in master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I don't understand to the new Calc's string "Enable Content" [1] which 
labels the button for infobar with the question "This file contains 
links to other files or external resources. Should they be updated?".


Why is not a clear label (like "Update Links") there?

Thank you,
Stanislav   


[1] 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/cs/libo_ui/translate/sc/messages.po#unit=149520208


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Latest updates of Pootle (12/18/2017)

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

thanks, Olivier!

As a convenient and fast way to find the corresponding Help page URL, I 
use a bookmarklet - if anyone is interested, I put it to my wiki page [1].


Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Strepon


Dne 18.12.2017 v 18:02 Olivier Hallot napsal(a):

completing...

Em 18/12/2017 14:57, Olivier Hallot escreveu:

Today I saw new strings in Pootle.

If translators need to view the page they are translating, I have
uploaded today the (new) online help at

https://helponline.libreoffice.org/6.0/en-US/text/shared/main0108.html

regards



For example, the string in

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/pt_BR/libo_help/translate/scalc/01.po#unit=139629254

is 6.0/en-US/text/scalc/01/04060103.html

where scalc/01 is taken from scalc/01.po and

04060103 is takens from 04060103.xhp

in the Pootle UI.

regards



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle: source file paths not available anymore

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi Gabor,

thanks a lot for the patch - at least for me it would be sufficient, 
becuase I think that the file types you covered contain the most of 
source strings.


Best regards,
Stanislav


Dne 16.12.2017 v 10:03 Gabor Kelemen napsal(a):

Hi Stanislav

I'd miss the paths too.

Fortunately it is possible to restore them, a first patch is here:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/46591

I still need to look at the code a bit more for a full solution that
covers all file types.

Regards
Gabor Kelemen

2017-12-14 17:33 keltezéssel, Stanislav Horáček írta:

Hi,

I found out that the information about paths to source code files with
the strings to translate is now missing in Pootle. This is a drawback
of the (surely necessary) migration to gettext - strings are now
stored in messages.po files which does not correspond anymore with the
structure of the source code.
(In some cases, the path can be derived from file name, e.g. .ui files
lives in uiconfig/ui/, but this is not 100%.)

This broke my workflow, as I am used to jump often to the Github
history of the file corresponding with a translated string (its URL is
created by a JavaScript bookmarklet using data from a current Pootle
page). By that, I got very useful overview of the change (e.g. if it
is cosmetic or not), I could check related bugzilla reports to see
what a new feature should do and where to find it in UI etc.

Does anyone else miss the paths? And would it be possible to give them
back, i.e. to save them together with file name when generating .po
files?

Best regards,
Stanislav






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[libreoffice-l10n] Pootle: source file paths not available anymore

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I found out that the information about paths to source code files with 
the strings to translate is now missing in Pootle. This is a drawback of 
the (surely necessary) migration to gettext - strings are now stored in 
messages.po files which does not correspond anymore with the structure 
of the source code.
(In some cases, the path can be derived from file name, e.g. .ui files 
lives in uiconfig/ui/, but this is not 100%.)


This broke my workflow, as I am used to jump often to the Github history 
of the file corresponding with a translated string (its URL is created 
by a JavaScript bookmarklet using data from a current Pootle page). By 
that, I got very useful overview of the change (e.g. if it is cosmetic 
or not), I could check related bugzilla reports to see what a new 
feature should do and where to find it in UI etc.


Does anyone else miss the paths? And would it be possible to give them 
back, i.e. to save them together with file name when generating .po files?


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How do I get to Libreoffice Online?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi Michael,

Dne 17.9.2017 v 16:15 Michael Wolf napsal(a):
a question: How do I get to LibreOffice Online? What must I do? Is there 
a website only or must I anything install? I translated it into Upper 
Sorbian and Lower Sorbian half a year ago and a Czech user confirmed 
that they are already used. I would like to inform Sorbian users about 
this.


I'm sorry that I forgot to answer you, because it was my note about the 
translation (my nickname is "strepon").


I meant compilation of pure LibreOffice Online from source code which 
requires also compilation of the LibreOffice core. This is not 
straightforward (moreover, currently I can't make LO Online run even if 
the compilation goes well), but it should allow to test all available 
languages.


Apart from that, I use the demo provided by Collabora, which consists of 
LO Online integrated with OwnCloud. But this version seems to allow only 
the choice of languages that are available as OwnCloud localization.

Or does someone know if this limitation can be overcome?

Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] ask.libreoffice.org/ activation

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi Olivier,

I would like to remind our request for Czech/Slovak Ask LibreOffice [1]. 
Even if Askbot is fully translated to Czech (which would be OK for 
Slovak version for now too), there is still a testing installation at 
the site [2] - which is of course bad because user is now redirected 
there from the new LO 5.3 menu item.


I don't understand why preparing of the site takes months while other 
languages have their Asks much faster - if there are some specific 
problems, an explanation from the infra team would be welcome.


Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2074
[2] https://ask.libreoffice.org/cs


Dne 2.2.2017 v 23:07 Olivier Hallot napsal(a):

Hello Cor

Wise decision, indeed.

I have opened redmine ticket #2153 for you.

Other languages team are encouraged to do the same. Just let us know.

Kind regards

Olivier


Em 02/02/2017 22:26, Cor Nouws escreveu:

Hi *,

Though we're not fully done with the translation, I think what we have
now (mixed Dutch & English, say Dunglish ;) )  is better then "Page not
found" ?

So info on how do we push the current state (and updates later) is much
appreciated,

ciao - Cor





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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle translation memory

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 12.1.2017 v 22:20 Christian Lohmaier napsal(a):

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Olivier Hallot
 wrote:


I notice that, a recently translated string does not immediately show as
a suggestion of Pootle TM.


elasticsearch based pootle-local translation memory is being worked on
at the moment.



what does it mean? I see no suggestions from local TM, only the first 
three strings taken from amagama-live.translatehouse.org - so the state 
is still the same as few weeks ago when we reported the missing TM [1].


Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg10605.html

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of new strings in master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 30.12.2016 v 10:32 Modestas Rimkus napsal(a):

​Thanks Stanislav!​ Unfortunately, no suggestions for me, although 5.2
master UI has these strings translated. I tend to think the translations
were too new to have been uploaded to the external TM where current
suggestions come from, and Pootle does not display suggestions from
other projects/files/strings after the upgrade :(



yes, now I see that you are right, only external TM suggestions are 
shown and they are very outdated (after some checking, I would say they 
come from the beginning of the 4.x series) - and they can be more 
misleading than helpful.


Could someone from the Pootle team look at this, please?

Best regards,
Stanislav






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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of new strings in master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 27.12.2016 v 13:37 Modestas Rimkus napsal(a):

​This does not seem to be the case for me. New strings appear as
untranslated, not fuzzy, and no suggestions are given from TM​.
As an example, I had swext folder fully translated, and now it has 980
untranslated words, all in help.po file. Nothing is suggested from TM, but
were there really that many additions to the MediaWiki help?


there were no additions to the MediaWiki help, but the strings were 
proofread with very minor changes - see this commit [1] (I look at the 
commits history very often to see what happened).


Suggestions from TM are shown correctly for me.

Best regards,
Stanislav

[1] 
https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/b65c618f2d9c29838f5ed3cfe9cff4e34dea977e


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Get Help menu in LO: add your link

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi Sophie,

Dne 4.11.2016 v 10:31 Sophie napsal(a):

Please, have a look at this ticket and add your link if needed or tell
what is the fall back if you don't have any link.
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1983#change-10737


the code for Czech should be "cs" (not "cz") and Ask for the Slovak 
language ("sk") should be added.


But - I am not sure about state of my request for common Czech & Slovak 
Ask LibreOffice [1] and I don't know whether it will be ready for 5.3.


Moreover, there is an issue with Askbot localization on Transifex 
(described in the request mentioned above) where a significant part of 
translations got lost - and it seems that no one is interested in it...


Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2074

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Enabling Upper Sorbian (hsb) and Lower Sorbian (dsb)

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I would like to add that Michael is a long-term Sorbian translator of 
Mozilla products and he does impressive work there - so I very 
appreciate that he is also interested in LibreOffice.


Welcome, Michael, and thanks for joining us!

Stanislav


Dne 11.10.2016 v 23:24 Michael Wolf napsal(a):

Hi,

please enable Upper Sorbian (hsb) and Lower Sorbian (dsb) on Pootle.

Thanks,

Michael Wolf

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 2.6.2016 v 09:18 Mihovil Stanić napsal(a):

When you enter 5% in cell which is formatted as NUMBER (GENERAL), does
it automatically convert to 5,00 % (for new Czech and Finnish setup)?

Mihovil


yes, the entered 5% (or 5 % with the space) is converted to 5,00 % for 
the new setup (and to 5,00% for the old one).


Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi all,

for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc is 
a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However, a 
non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some languages. 
Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech (see the bug [1]).


I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the 
percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report it 
by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.


Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63272

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] MAXIFS and MINIFS

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I think the current description of "range" for MINIFS and MAXIFS should 
be replaced by the descriptions of "range" for AVERAGIFS, SUMIFS etc. 
(as it has the same meaning).


Moreover I would suggest to correct the description of the SWITCH function.

See my patches in Gerrit and comment them if needed:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/25256/
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/25255/

Thanks,
Stanislav


Dne 21.5.2016 v 10:22 Jean-Baptiste Faure napsal(a):

Hello Olivier,

Thank you very much for the quick fix. :-)

Best regards.
JBF

Le 20/05/2016 15:39, Olivier Hallot a écrit :

Hello Jean-Baptiste

I am fixing it.
https://goo.gl/cJ4faY

Thanks for reporting.

regards

Em 19/05/2016 11:46, Jean-Baptiste Faure escreveu:

Hi,

In the UI, file libo_ui/sc/source/ui/src.po. It's me or there is an
copy mistake from MINIFS to MAXIFS in the descriptions on
arguments of the MAXIFS function. Indeed each description says "minimum
value" when "maximum value" seems to be expected. In the function
wizard, read the description for range1, range2, etc.
The corresponding string has the comment cEi2r.

Best regards.
JBF








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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [PROPOSAL] New project for dictionaries

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi Dennis,

I strongly support your idea. For our Czech language, the dictionary has 
not been updated for many years and no one maintains it. So we were 
thinking about a webpage where users would give their feedback and 
propose new words. If there was an infrastructure for that provided by 
TDF, it would be extremely helpful.


Thanks,
Stanislav


Dne 25.4.2016 v 12:13 Dennis Roczek napsal(a):

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Hello community,

I was having some discussions with dictionary maintainers and come to a
completely new idea for a new project!

The TL;DR version: Provide a central place for dictionaries maintainers
including useful tools plus a possibility for easier collaboration.

The long version: LibreOffice uses dictionaries based on Hunspell.
Hunspell is a free, open source project. Many applications do support
Hunspell based dictionaries. The following list (but not
exclusive) of applications supporting Hunspell based dictionaries is
shameless copied from the German Wikipedia:
* AOO
* LibO
* Mozilla products
** Thunderbird
** Seamonkey
** Firefox
* Latex IDEs: WinShell, TexWorks, LyX, Texmaker, TeXstudio, etc.
* Google Chrome
* The Bat
* Emacs
* Opera Web Browsr
* Apple Mac OS X 10.6+
* Adobe InDesign
* Adobe FrameMaker
* SoftMaker Office
* Scribus
and many, many more applications.

Some applications additional provide their own dictionary extension page
to download dictionaries. Moreover depending on the applications, the
dictionary have to be differently packed (simplest example is a
different file extensions)

Some projects do maintain their extension separately (independently).
Also the user who wants to propose a change / an addition has mostly no
easy solution to find out whom to contact to get another word added.

The basis idea is to provide a portal which provides tools to pack the
word lists to dictionaries automatically by scripts and - if possible -
to update and upload the new version of the dictionary to the download
pages. (e.g. the extension centre of AOO / LO or Mozilla's page) The
portal should provide a way for users to help the maintainers and
proposing new words or contact the maintainer if there are errors in the
word list.

The manual work of packaging the extension is very time consuming and
moreover leads to situations that there might be multiple maintained
versions for the same language. By providing tools to create a new
version of the dictionary the maintainer can invest their time in
improving the dictionary and release easily more often a new version.

I'm eager to hear what do you thing about this idea.

Regards,

Dennis Roczek

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[libreoffice-l10n] Idea: link to file history in Pootle

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

when translating in Pootle, I often go to history of corresponding
files at Github to get more information about particular string (e.g.
to find out if it is a cosmetic or real change etc.). Hence, it would
be very helpful if Pootle had direct links to file history (to Github
or Opengrok or whatever); information about file location for each
string is already there.

Do you think the history links would be useful? Could they be
implemented in Pootle?

Thanks for any opinion,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] many fuzzy strings due to xlm tags move in 5.2 help files

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 14.3.2016 v 18:35 Christian Lohmaier napsal(a):

Hi *,

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Sophie  wrote:

Hi all,

+ Many strings are the same content but with xml tags placed differently


Most fuzzy strings are not because xml tags being placed differently
(where xml tags are different,  it was to fix validation errors), but
most fuzzy strings are due to changes in message context.


there are also hundreds of the strings with differently placed tags and 
for them it is not enough to just accept fuzzy strings - typically 
 has 
been changed to 
.


Are these strings planned to be translated automatically as well?



But as it is time til August, not urgent (doesn't need to be done this
or next week IMHO). Remember: if we wouldn't have master projects, you
wouldn't know about this right now :-))


This is not completely true - the issue with the "l10n" and "oldref" 
tags changing context affected also 5.1 strings, now it is just 
highlighted because of the massive automated changes.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Terminology

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

there is an option to download the .po file (by using the links in the 
right sidebar in Pootle), edit it manually and upload it back to Pootle 
- this works fine.


Best regards,
Stanislav


Dne 19.1.2016 v 18:33 Mihovil Stanić napsal(a):

Hello,

How to add new words to terminology project?
Seams I can't do that any more (since pootle upgrade last year).

Best regards,
Mihovil



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] "Hit apply to update" string

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 19.1.2016 v 15:16 Yury Tarasievich napsal(a):

There are (still) lots of artifacts of a string kind in LO, I believe.

However, if you do not know the string is actually displayed, how do you
know there is nothing appropriate to click?


because the string is on the Online update page and it can be seen by 
displaying the file cui/uiconfig/ui/optonlineupdatepage.ui in Glade.



Generally -- is there any way to mark the actually unused strings, so as
to waste not the effort? Some script processing the sources?..


I suppose the best way is to fix the problem directly in the source code 
(or to file a bugzilla report if I am not able to do so myself).


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] "Hit apply to update" string

[Stanislav Horáček]

I see my question should have been clearer - so: is the string
incorrect because there is no "apply" to be hit (and the string should
be modified), or am I missing anything?

Sorry for bothering the list with such a marginal string (which is
maybe even not shown in UI), but I don't like any blind translation.

Stanislav


2016-01-19 5:16 GMT+01:00 Yury Tarasievich :
> Your explanation, while lingually flawless, would confuse the askers, too, I
> guess. :)
>
> The string means that for updates to take effect one must press/click
> something (button?) labelled 'Apply'.
>
> -Yury
>
> On 01/18/2016 07:43 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>
>> Well, whoever typed this must have meant to type whatever would
>> send
>> the message  ;-)
>
> ...
>
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[libreoffice-l10n] "Hit apply to update" string

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

could anyone explain meaning of this new string in 5.1?

"Hit apply to update"
ID: rEEs5
Link: 
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/cs/libo_ui/translate/cui/uiconfig/ui.po#unit=101046413


I suppose it is a placeholder text for user agent information (Tools - 
Options - LibreOffice - Online updates) which appears when the user 
agent is changed (although I don't know how it can be changed) - but 
there is no "apply" to be hit...


Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] separator of arguments for functions in USA locale

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I found this issue when investigating this bug [1]. The original 
separator was semicolon (which is reflected in Help) and later it has 
been made dependent on locale (and changed to comma for en-US) [2].


My opinion: for now, I would stick with the current state even if it is 
not optimal. Changing Help would be very huge task (I'm not sure if it 
can be automated; and of course all translations need to be kept). 
Changing default settings does not make sense if the Help inaccuracy is 
the only reason for that.


Best regards,
Stanislav

[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88945
[2] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=92056


Dne 11.12.2015 v 07:18 Lera napsal(a):

Hi everyone,

I have a strange question, but, in my opinion, we have a  very big trouble in
our Help.
All functions have semicolon (;) as the separator of arguments in the Help for
the USA locale . But If Options (Tools -> Options -> Language Setting ->
Locale setting) are set in English (USA), then comma (,) is  the separator of
argument (See Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice Calc -> Function).

We need to change either all functions of the Help or USA locale by default.

Where is the mistake?

Best regards,
Lera



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] separator of arguments for functions in USA locale

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


Changing Help would be very huge task (I'm not sure if it
can be automated;

This is a very simple task and can be automated. The task execution will take
about a few minutes and will need about an hour for the Help test, if I will
not hurry ;)


if you can do this, then no problem:)) Now I see that this could be 
automated by using a list of function names and replacing semicolons 
between parenthesis - or do you have any smarter method?



and of course all translations need to be kept).

If chenges do not touch on paragraph IDs, you need to only confirm the
correctness of a translation.


I am afraid that the confirmation of hundreds of sentences (i.e. 
thousands of words) due to the semicolon change is something not 
acceptable for translators (but maybe the confirmation can be avoided).


Best regards,
Stanislav



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[libreoffice-l10n] Pootle: downloaded files do not contain latest changes

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I've noticed that if I download .po files from Pootle for offline use, 
they do not contain the latest changes. For instance, the string #AAWcZ 
is translated to Czech in Pootle (the translation was made less than 1 
day ago):

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/cs/libo_ui/translate/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI.po#unit=100846813

However, in files downloaded from:
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/export/?path=/cs/libo_ui/

the translation of this string is empty.

Is there any delay for propagation of changes into exported files? And 
can this be avoided somehow?


Thanks,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle: download by unregistered user

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

if I am not logged in, I cannot dowload archives from Pootle - I see no 
arrows and links above the Language instructions text. However, 
permissions are set in our projects (Czech team) for user nobody to 
Can download archives of translation projects.

Is this expected, or is it a bug?

Thanks in advance,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] templates updated in master projects (for 5.0 release)

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


I tell you what I'll do: I go to one of the UTF-8 reference web pages
and visually pick one of the symbol that fits my need and find a way to
insert it into my doc, likely noting its codenumber... so for me
:U_1234: is quiker than any other name I did not memorize.

Yet another useless resource in LibreOffice.



I'm used to enter some characters as Unicode numbers (Ctrl+Shift+U1234 
in Linux) and I'm not able to remember more than a few very often used 
codes. So I appreciate a lot that I can type :degree: instead of 
typing few bad trials followed by searching on web or in the special 
characters table...


Best regards,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle: missing terminology

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi all,

it seems that the new Pootle is a big step forward (I like esp. that 
quality checks are emphasized, new TM is also a must-have) - thanks! 
However, now I cannot see terminology items that used to be shown in the 
left part and that are really useful to keep the translation consistent. 
Am I missing any setting, or is this an issue of Pootle?


Thanks in advance,
Stanislav


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Content Error in Example for OFFSET function

[Stanislav Horáček]

Yes, you are absolutely right - patch submitted: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16302/


Thanks for pointing this out!
Stanislav

Dne 11.6.2015 v 21:54 Eliot Rosenbloom napsal(a):

I believe there is an error on this 
page:https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions#OFFSETOne example 
reads:=OFFSET(B2:C3;1;0;3;4) returns a reference to
   B2:C3 moved down by one row resized to 3 rows and 4 columns
   (B2:E4).I believe the result returned should be a reference 
to:(B3:E5)Thanks for your work!!Eliot



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation for 5.0, Android and Pootle version

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi all,

2015-05-11 21:39 GMT+02:00 Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com:
 Hi Sérgio, *,

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Sérgio Marques smarque...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you please explain me if we (PT team) don´t work on master, will strings
 translated in 5.0 branch land on master afterwards or not?

 There is no server-side migration of 5.0 strings to master.

 If you decide not to work on master, you'll have to sync files for 5.1
 with local tools or on special request. There won't be automatic
 merges back to master.

I suppose it means that master is the preferred way - and that's
really different from what was promised in discussion about master:

→ for those languages who chose not to make use of master, shortly
before the branch-off of 4-5 the translations of 4-4 will be copied to
master (override current master translation) and updated against
templates. [1]

Could you please give us clear information what workflow should be
followed if we want/don't want use master? Maybe the wiki page [2]
should be updated accordingly...

Best regards,
Stanislav


[1] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg08451.html
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice

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[libreoffice-l10n] Does moving of Help content affect translations?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I've registered a user's request to move Help description of the 
COUNTBLANK and COUNTIF functions from mathematical to statistical 
functions - which is really reasonable since this move happened in UI [1].


Will this change of Help source affect the existing translations? If so, 
it is probably better to keep things as they are now; otherwise I'll 
make the change.


Thanks,
Stanislav

[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69685

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Search themes for Personas / Personalization, translate .. or not .. (bug 87597)

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I think the labels should be translated (to have UI translated 
consistently) and the original terms should be searched (that's why I 
filled the bug:). On the other hand, I agree that a user can be confused 
if he gets meaningful results using the translated labels, but no 
results for translated own search.


One more point - it seems that capitalization matters and capitalized 
keyword (the current state) gets substantially less results.


Best regards,
Stanislav


Dne 19.2.2015 v 14:50 Cor Nouws napsal(a):

Hi all,

I was looking to this bug
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87597

Choose Tools - Options - Personalization - Own Theme.
The suggestions there
   pxhJi Abstract | BDTdC Color | GjKFW Music | kCoME Nature
are translated so there's little to find when I use the Dutch UI :)

Now it's simple to change that for Dutch, but there are two more options:
  - make the words non localizable,
  - search for the original term, independent of the localization :)

I would appreciate opinions on this.

Thanks a lot,
Cor




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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Help text for MIDB

[Stanislav Horáček]

Thanks a lot!

I've submitted the suggestions to Gerrit, where anyone is welcome to 
comment them:

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/14092/

Stanislav

Dne 20.1.2015 v 02:25 Jesper Hertel napsal(a):



Here are my suggestions for examples for MIDB, LEFTB, RIGHTB and LENB.

I actually made a spreadsheet in LibreOffice Calc and tested each
expression to be absolutely sure of the results. The spreadsheet I made
can be found at [1]. I made it using the English (US) user interface and
locale.

[1]: http://www49.zippyshare.com/v/YbkWBbkZ/file.html

It turned out that invalid requests (half DBCS characters) actually do
*not* result in empty strings but rather in a *space character*.

Therefore these suggested examples and explanations.

The return values are the *actual* return values using the actual
mentioned expressions and were therefore *not* typed by hand (check the
spreadsheet if you want to see how). Note the rather subtle spaces returned.

MIDB(中国,1,0) returns  (0 bytes is always an empty string).
MIDB(中国,1,1) returns   (1 byte is only half a DBCS character and
therefore the result is a space character).
MIDB(中国,1,2) returns 中 (2 bytes constitute one complete DBCS
character).
MIDB(中国,1,3) returns 中  (3 bytes constitute one and a half DBCS
character; the last byte results in a space character).
MIDB(中国,1,4) returns 中国 (4 bytes constitute two complete DBCS
characters).
MIDB(中国,2,1) returns   (byte position 2 is not at the beginning of
a character in a DBCS string; 1 space character is returned).
MIDB(中国,2,2) returns   (byte position 2 points to the last half of
the first character in the DBCS string; the 2 bytes asked for therefore
constitutes the last half of the first character and the first half of
the second character in the string; 2 space characters are therefore
returned).
MIDB(中国,2,3) returns  国 (byte position 2 is not at the beginning
of a character in a DBCS string; a space character is returned for byte
position 2).
MIDB(中国,3,1) returns   (byte position 3 is at the beginning of a
character in a DBCS string, but 1 byte is only half a DBCS character and
a space character is therefore returned instead).
MIDB(中国,3,2) returns 国 (byte position 3 is at the beginning of a
character in a DBCS string, and 2 bytes constitute one DBCS character).
MIDB(office,2,3) returns ffi (byte position 2 is at the beginning of
a character in a non-DBCS string, and 3 bytes of a non-DBCS string
constitute 3 characters).

LEFTB(中国,1) returns   (1 byte is only half a DBCS character and a
space character is returned instead).
LEFTB(中国,2) returns 中 (2 bytes constitute one complete DBCS
character).
LEFTB(中国,3) returns 中  (3 bytes constitute one DBCS character and
a half; the last character returned is therefore a space character).
LEFTB(中国,4) returns 中国 (4 bytes constitute two complete DBCS
characters).
LEFTB(office,3) returns off (3 non-DBCS characters each consisting
of 1 byte).

RIGHTB(中国,1) returns   (1 byte is only half a DBCS character and a
space character is returned instead).
RIGHTB(中国,2) returns 国 (2 bytes constitute one complete DBCS
character).
RIGHTB(中国,3) returns  国 (3 bytes constitute one half DBCS
character and one whole DBCS character; a space is returned for the
first half).
RIGHTB(中国,4) returns 中国 (4 bytes constitute two complete DBCS
characters).
RIGHTB(office,3) returns ice (3 non-DBCS characters each consisting
of 1 byte).

LENB(中) returns 2 (1 DBCS character consisting of 2 bytes).
LENB(中国) returns 4 (2 DBCS characters each consisting of 2 bytes).
LENB(office) returns 6 (6 non-DBCS characters each consisting of 1
byte).



If anyone else is curious, 中国 means China in Chinese – according to
Google Translate :-).


Jesper


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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Help text for MIDB

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I agree that these examples are really useful. Could you provide also 
some examples for the other functions dealing with DBCS (LEFTB, RIGHTB, 
LENB)?

If so, I will add them to the Help text.

Thanks!
Stanislav


Dne 19.1.2015 v 16:11 Jesper Hertel napsal(a):

2015-01-19 15:32 GMT+01:00 Kevin Suo suokunl...@126.com:


A1 = 中国
B1 = MIDB(A1,1,1) returns 
B1 = MIDB(A1,1,2) returns 中
B1 = MIDB(A1,1,3) returns 中
B1 = MIDB(A1,1,4) returns 中国



Thanks for the examples, Kevin! I was afraid they wouldn't go through the
maling list system, so that was why I didn't supply any. But yours are even
better than the ones I would have thought of providing.



I think it is better up to the localizer to translate this help text
according to their needs, for example Japanese team may show how this works
with Japanese chars.



I agree that the specific translation is up to the localizers. But even
people using a non-DBCS user interface language, such as English or Danish,
could want to use that function and could want to know what it is about and
how to use it; they could work with Japanese or another DBCS language
without having the user interface in that language. So I still believe the
English text could be improved. Both regarding the earlier mentioned
sentence and regarding the addition of several actual DBCS examples similar
to the good ones you provided. Maybe just worded and expanded like this to
show that the position argument is also counted in bytes and not in
character positions:

MIDB(中国,1,1) returns  (1 byte is only half a character and it is
therefore discarded).
MIDB(中国,1,2) returns 中 (2 bytes are one complete character).
MIDB(中国,1,3) returns 中 (3 bytes are one character and a half; the last
byte is discarded).
MIDB(中国,1,4) returns 中国 (4 bytes are two complete characters).
MIDB(中国,2,1) returns  (byte position 2 is not at the beginning of a
character).
MIDB(中国,2,2) returns  (byte position 2 is not at the beginning of a
character).
MIDB(中国,3,1) returns  (byte position 3 is at the beginning of a
character, but 1 byte is only half a character and is therefore discarded).
MIDB(中国,3,2) returns 国.


And yes, I do believe that this rather large amount of examples are
necessary to make it completely clear how this rather technical function
works, and that the Help should be the place for such an explanation.

Whether my explanations in parentheses are understandable or relevant I
don't know. It is an attempt to explain what is happening to the
not-so-technical users, but even also to technical users that want to be
sure they understood it right.


Jesper



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] WikiHelp: mistake in Calc statistical functions, part 5

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

thanks for the report - however, this has been already fixed by the 
following commit:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/help/commit/?id=b4cb9f06d6969aa1ccce515c13a97552ffadf1aa

Best regards,
Stanislav


Dne 13.1.2015 v 15:57 Laurent Charrière napsal(a):

Hi,

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp told me to
email this address to report mistake error in the WikiHelp for Calc.

The mistake is at
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Statistical_Functions_Part_Five. There
are two sections called RANK.AVG (28 and 29). The first one should be
called RANK.EQ.

Thanks,

Laurent



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Workflow based on master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Dne 12.12.2014 v 11:54 Olivier Hallot napsal(a):



On 12/12/2014 08:18, Sérgio Marques wrote:

Sorry, I don't get it. Now: 4.4 was created and translations from 4.3

appeared there.
Future: Which translations will appear in 4.5 when it is created - from
4.4 or from master? Translations of the same strings can differ between
them.


Yes me too. Shopie´s explanation make it even more difficult to understand
the procedure.





Since I do my own compilation, for me it will mean that all strings will
be updated periodically in pootle under the master branch. So I will
get the updates once in a day/week/month, for example.

The number of strings on a monthly basis are expected to be lower than
on updated once in a half-year for a major release.

Those who will translate the master branch can check the results with
the nighly builds.

when it comes to branch for a new release, a snapshot of the master
translation will be taken and named release X.Y. Then all translation of
the release follows. Like with developers, a fix in a translation on a
branch shall be fixed also in master branch.


This workflow means that everyone is forced to work on master - 
otherwise it is needed to translate the same strings again and again in 
branches which makes no sense.


And that's why I am confused - because we were assured that it will be 
possible to choose between working on master and working on branches.




This scheme does not means we will get less work, it means we will get
more time to translate a big, hopefully incremental, chuck of new strings.



Keeping master updated always means more work and it is the reason why I 
think that each team should decide if they want to use master or not.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Workflow based on master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


So Cloph will create a master project for all the languages. You can
choose where you want to translate, on master or on the next branch
(4.5.0) when it will be created. Let see if it is better or not in our
project :)


the new workflow is a bit unclear for me. If I work only in branches, 
let's say in 4.5, does it mean that

- changes from 4.5 branch will be ported back to master (if so, when?), or
- changes in 4.5 branch will not affect the next 4.6 branch?

Btw, it's a bit ironic that the new workflow is introduced just after 
conversion to .ui format is finally completed which should result in a 
substantially lower translation workload for 4.5:)) I would tend to 
continue with working on branches because master will bring only more 
(wasted) work...


Best regards,
Stanislav

P. S.: Any news about Amagama update? It would be extremely handy for 
current help translation.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Workflow based on master

[Stanislav Horáček]

Dne 11.12.2014 v 18:44 Sophie napsal(a):

Le 11/12/2014 18:01, Stanislav Horáček a écrit :

Hi,


So Cloph will create a master project for all the languages. You can
choose where you want to translate, on master or on the next branch
(4.5.0) when it will be created. Let see if it is better or not in our
project :)


the new workflow is a bit unclear for me. If I work only in branches,
let's say in 4.5, does it mean that
- changes from 4.5 branch will be ported back to master (if so, when?), or
- changes in 4.5 branch will not affect the next 4.6 branch?


It will be exactly as it is now for the work on 4.4, the template will
be updated in 4.6 branch between beta1 and RC1. 4.5 and 4.6 branches
will be maintained independently, just like now for 4.3 and 4.4.


Sorry, I don't get it. Now: 4.4 was created and translations from 4.3 
appeared there.
Future: Which translations will appear in 4.5 when it is created - from 
4.4 or from master? Translations of the same strings can differ between 
them.



Btw, it's a bit ironic that the new workflow is introduced just after
conversion to .ui format is finally completed which should result in a
substantially lower translation workload for 4.5:)) I would tend to
continue with working on branches because master will bring only more
(wasted) work...


Did you suggest the idea then ;) I didn't have it either :)


I was absolutely happy with working on branches, this was not complaint, 
just a side note:))



P. S.: Any news about Amagama update? It would be extremely handy for
current help translation.


Unfortunately Dwayne was traveling. I'll ping him again tomorrow. And
yes, it would make a lot of people happy.
Cheers
Sophie



OK, thanks!

Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Choose emphInsert - Media - Image/emph.

[Stanislav Horáček]

There is plenty of outdated (and of course missing) content in help
and every report is helpful. If you do not get feedback here, it
would be worth to file a bug in bugzilla; otherwise your report will
get lost here in tons of other mails:))


Thanks for the tip!

Is it better that I, in the future, and if I figure out how, post things
like that directly in Bugzilla and don't mention it at all here on this
list? Or could there also be some positive things about mentioning here,
for instance to make other translators become aware of this type of
bugs? I intend to do whatever you (or others) believe is best.



I don't know opinion of the others, but I think that reporting of 
translation related issues in this list is very useful - I agree that 
information about them can help in translating, and also trivial bugs 
are often fixed very quickly when they're reported here.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New(?) colors in UI svx

[Stanislav Horáček]

What colors are Sunburst, Brownie, Sunset and Clay?

I have searched the web for these colors. They are not in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_colors. Any clues?


They are not colors, but color gradients. You can see them if you e.g. 
draw a rectangle, choose Area in context menu of the rectangle and go to 
the Gradient tab.


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Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Choose emphInsert - Media - Image/emph.

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


there is a string

Choose emphInsert - Media - Image/emph.

But in the menus in Draw, it seems to be just Insert - Image; I cannot find
Image in the submenu of Media. I checked it in 4.4 beta 1.


good catch, thanks! It applies to all components, not only to Draw.
Patch submitted to Gerrit: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/13224/

I really appreciate that someone does not translate only mechanically, 
but also think about and test new strings. There is plenty of outdated 
(and of course missing) content in help and every report is helpful. If 
you do not get feedback here, it would be worth to file a bug in 
bugzilla; otherwise your report will get lost here in tons of other mails:))


Best regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Old TM removed from Pootle

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


Is there a place where I can read more about the list of projects are
included in the current translation memory?


I suppose that these scripts are used for pulling translations to TM:
https://github.com/translate/amagama-updater



And is there any way to see from which project (and what version of it)
each suggestion comes?



Unfortunately not. See the related bugs:
https://github.com/translate/amagama/issues/2348
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/2349

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Old TM removed from Pootle

[Stanislav Horáček]

For Czech language (cs), please remove the old TM.

Thanks a lot for taking care of this!

Stanislav

Dne 5.11.2014 v 10:17 Sophie napsal(a):

Hi all,

So for those who would like to see their old TM removed from Pootle,
please answer this message with your language code in it :) Thanks!
Cheers
Sophie



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 4.4. translation workload

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

 For information also, there are several string changes done by the UX
 team, these changes are tracked here:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/RecentStringChanges
 I've asked them several times to check in other languages that the
 strings still fit in the dialogs. If not, please open an issue and
 report here the number so we can track it.

 From what I understand, the help files have not been modified. So this
 is something to have in mind too. Or Olivier, I think you have open a
 metabug to track where the help needs updates?


I've made a few help updates and added the links to these help commits
to the wiki page. I think this page can be also used for tracking help
updates (if there is no link to commit, the change still needs an
update).

I am afraid that the list of changes is far from complete - and that
we will find another changed strings when working on translations.

And one note to translations in general: it would be very helpful to
update Amagama translation memory to include LO 4.3 - otherwise we
could reintroduce bad translations from elder series (I admit that
using TM in Pootle is always risky since sources of Amagama
suggestions are not shown).

Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 4.4. translation workload

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


And one note to translations in general: it would be very helpful to
update Amagama translation memory to include LO 4.3 - otherwise we
could reintroduce bad translations from elder series (I admit that
using TM in Pootle is always risky since sources of Amagama
suggestions are not shown).


Do you know how to do that or where I can find documentation?


I don't know, but I suppose that maintainers of Amagama have to be 
asked. They are probably the same as for Pootle - according to contacts 
listed here: https://github.com/translate/amagama


Also, I'm not sure if translation memory for old series should be 
removed - probably it is not good idea because suggestions for languages 
that were not updated for some time would be lost.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Amending and enhancing the help files

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

we need definitely to go this way, so this activity is highly appreciated.

I would add one more point: currently, a lot of extended tooltips (maybe
most of them) are directly part of the help text. Therefore, if we excluded
the tips, we would have strings doubled, once in help and once in tips -
and it makes no sense to manage and translate them separately.

Together with technical solution, I think we should also have a general
discussion about help and how it should look like: for instance, do we want
pictures and screenshots in it? Or any example files, external links...
etc. etc.

Best regards,
Stanislav




2014-07-01 11:32 GMT+02:00 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com:

 Hi all,

 It is a secret for nobody that the help is a nightmare to maintain for
 developers and contributors. However it's an important part for the
 quality of our product and we need to find a way that is acceptable for
 all of us working on it.

 During the last Hackfest in Paris, I discussed with Moggi and Kendy how
 we could organize the workflow to enhance and maintain the help and keep
 the translation easy for l10n team.

 So here is a proposal to discuss about using the wikihelp to maintain it:
 - the existing translations would be migrated, so no work is lost (one
 of the most important requirement :)

 - the translation project is split in 3 parts:
 * UI as we have it today
 * Extended tooltips - currently in help files, are extracted and get its
 own .po project
 * Help content, managed in the wiki

 - review of the added/modified part on the wiki:
 * random people can contribute but *not* directly
 * there will be an approval process, like in Pootle or Git

 - there is one point that is not optimal, because wiki syntax is
 difficult to manipulate via .po files, it would be much safer to use
 media wiki to translate, with the help of the translate toolkit (where
 you have context, extended syntax, memories).
 Note: translating via .po still would be possible, but really at own
 risks.
 The disadvantage that it has too is that we need two tools:
 - Pootle for UI + extended tooltips,
 - mediawiki for help.

 So, this is how we can present the pros and cons maintaining our help
 files via the wiki to reach more contributors and quality. Nothing is
 set yet, but we need to find a consensus to have our help amended and
 maintained, reach a good quality and really serves our users.

 Feedback and ideas welcome :)
 Cheers
 Sophie

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[libreoffice-l10n] Typo in sc/uiconfig/scalc/ui.po

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

the string
#. UBo4j
#: subtotalgrppage.ui
msgid VarP (Sample)

should be VarP (Population).

Thanks,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] localization of converted dialogs for 4.3

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

Dne 21.2.2014 08:51, Cor Nouws napsal(a):

Can someone do a useful grep op cgit log to get all converted * to .ui
commits (since 4.2.0 branch off) ?


I think we can get it by comparing directories for 4.2 and master.
The resulting list of new files is here: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jjnrty3ewmunc98/new_ui_files.txt

Or do you need anything else?

Regards,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Copypaste typo in field dialog

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

this string:

#. 6zSpH
#: flddbpage.ui
msgid Database s_election

should be Format (Insert - Fields - Other - Database tab).

Thanks,
Stanislav

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[libreoffice-l10n] New 4.2 strings to be fixed

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

a few notes regarding new 4.2 strings:

#. FjNgr
#: tp_Trendline.ui
msgid 0

- should not be translatable

#. 8v9Ag
#: scfuncs.src
msgid Cumulated. TRUE calculates the probability mass function, FALSE the cumulative distribution 
function.


- should be other way round: TRUE for cdf, FALSE for pmf

#. UW5Az
#: datastreams.ui
msgid 1000

- should not be translatable

Thanks in advance for fixing,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n process, en_US version, Help files

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi Sophie, all,

thank you very much for this initiative - it is really needed.
My few notes:


*After RC1 and l10n integration
- we need to know when integration is made after our fixes, there is
currently no communication on this


This can be found in the log of translations git module:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/translations


- but that doesn't solve the several typos that already exist and that
are overlooked by the l10n team (e.g in the Character  Font Effect
dialog, there is Overline _c_olor and Underline _C_olor and this is the
same for several dialogs)


It would be worth to create a wiki page that summarizes all these rules - LO should use the Gnome 
rules (AFAIK), but there is a lot of specific issues: for example, descriptions of Calc functions in 
UI are quite messy because of different wording (Returns..., Calculates..., Value of...) or 
parameter names (capitalization etc.).

Of course the UX team should be also involved.


* About the help files
- I always wonder why there is a Help button on a new dialog when no
help file is appended ;)
- more and more functions are undocumented or their help is obsolete. I
always think that an undocumented function is lost for the user and a
sad thing for a developer because his function will not be used as expected.
May be, but I don't know how heavy it would be for developers, the
solution would be to open an issue with a special tag like NF for each
new feature, with three lines about what the feature is supposed to
do. Searching on BZ with this special tag would allow to involve more
people in the loop to test it and document it.


I would suggest a simpler approach without need for any additional input from developers. We can use 
release notes wiki pages where all new features are mentioned, create a list of new features and 
check if they are covered by the help.


Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n process, en_US version, Help files

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

2013/12/12 Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com

 It is OK to fix new strings, also it is OK to fix obvious typos
 anywhere. But we should refrain from re-phrasing old messages. It
 would make a lot of unnecessary work for translators, and loss of
 translation for unmaintaned languages. IMHO we have more important
 things to do, than unify (Returns..., Calculates..., Value
 of...) or (cannot, couldn't, could not) or whatever.


I just meant to use rules for new strings, not to make revolution in
current translations. At least not for now, when we are frustrated by all
the changes due to .ui conversion and when Pootle has no translation
memory. However, the current state is far from what you describe: we
resubmit translations for options pricing (first letter capitalized),
graphics changed to images, change in reset filter...

And I'm sorry, but volunteers can't be forced to do more important things -
they do what they like/are able to do; and it should be clearly said what
is desired and what isn't.

Best regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Can someone explain https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/libo_help/translate.html#filter=incompleteunit=45962232, please?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hello,

the original text seems to be pretty clear for me. Let's see an example:
Write a word, select the first half of this word and set simple border (4 edges, black line) for the 
selection. You will see a rectangle around the first half.
Then select the second half of the word and set the same border again. You will not see two 
rectangles, but only one around whole word.
But if you choose different border properties for the second half (e.g. red line) you will get two 
rectangles, one black and one red.


Regards,
Stanislav


Dne 9.12.2013 05:02, Thomas Hackert napsal(a):

Good morning Anne, *,
On Montag, 9. Dezember 2013 01:22 anne-ology wrote:

Your version makes sense;


thank you for you comment :)


as for the convoluted original text, I have no clue as
to what
it means.


O.K. Than I hope, someone else could either explain or correct it
... ;)
Have a nice day
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations and no suggestions in Pootle

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


Before converting windows to WindgetLayout has been started, someone told that 
new *.ui files will
allow us to render whole window dialogs and see what the context is.

Now we have another big release with many converted dialogs, many translations 
to do and with
nothing to help us. In Polish word General could be translated as Ogólny, Ogólnie, 
Ogólne ad
so on. If I have over 200 automatic translated strings and non possibilities to 
see words in
context, what should I do now (half year ago I manually searched and compared 
differences in 4.0 and
4.1 and don't want come back to this solution)?


I am afraid there is no simple and easy solution. My method is:
- find the dialog in UI (if you have no clue where, you can open and see it in 
Glade thanks to ui files)
- open the dialog in 4.2 (new originals) and in 4.1 (old translations)
- find the translated dialog strings in 4.1 po files
- check and copy strings from files to Pootle (suggestions, currently missing, 
would help a lot here)

(Maybe someone uses a better workflow... ?)

It is still a lot of work (that can't be avoided for such changes I think), on the other hand it is 
an opportunity to review the complete dialogs and to fix or improve current translations.
Of course it would be awesome if we could see UI dialogs directly in Pootle like in Glade (maybe 
some offline software allows this, I don't know).


Regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations and no suggestions in Pootle

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I think this should have been public, so leaving your full reply below:

Dne 26.11.2013 19:23, Milos Sramek napsal(a):

Hi,

I wrote a script which compares old (say LO41) and new (say LO42) dialogs and 
writes the difference
(diff syntax) to the output. Paths and language should be set inside the file.
You can download it here: http://ubuntuone.com/3cZC2UJe8jCfQy299F07l8

If there are some automatically translated strings (i.e. untranslated in 4.1 
but translated in 4.2),
you should see them in the output.

Slovak was fully translated in 4.1, so I did not see such strings. However, 
using the script I've
found a few strings, translated both in Pootle and in 4.1, which were in 
English in the dialog. For
example:

File: cui/ui/res/sk/pickgraphicpage
1c1
  e g=errorft i=labelMotív galérie apos;Odrážkyapos; je prázdny (žiadne 
obrázky)./e
---

 e g=errorft i=labelThe Gallery theme apos;Bulletsapos; isempty (no 
images)./e


Do you have any idea what to do with that?

best
Milos



Thanks for the script, it seems to be very useful. However - if I understand it correctly - it 
compares *.ui files between two versions and I find automatic translations mainly in cases when old 
format dialog was converted to *.ui.


I think the strings you mentioned are OK because they were changed sligthly - e.g. graphics was 
replaced by images or the colon was added. So there are new originals in dev release (which was 
not yet fed by 4.2 Pootle), but automatic translations in 4.2 Pootle.


Regards,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Where do I find PrettyPrinting in Expert config?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hello,

this property can be found in /org.openoffice.Office.Common/Save/Document.
You are right that full description would be better for now. When I made this help update I supposed 
that searching would be available, which is finally not true.


Regards,
Stanislav


Dne 25.11.2013 10:00, Thomas Hackert napsal(a):

Hello @ll,
I have another problem translating a segment in Pootle ... :( The
said segment is
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/libo_help/translate.html#filter=incompleteunit=45913893,
where the original text is
quote
By default, emphcontent.xml/emph is stored without formatting
elements like indentation or line breaks to minimize the time for
saving and opening the document. On the emphswitchinline
select=syscaseinline select=MAC%PRODUCTNAME -
Preferences/caseinlinedefaultinlineTools -
Options/defaultinline/switchinline - $[officename] - Expert
Config/emph tab page you can activate the use of indentations and
line breaks by setting the property emphPrettyPrinting/emph to
true.
/quote
. I mean, I do not need help to translate the text, but how do I
find the property PrettyPrinting in LO's Expert Config? I have
scrolled through it, but has not seen it at a first glance ... :(
Could it be, that it named like
/org.openoffice$something$somethingelse? But then, would it not be
better to rewrite the above mentioned part to something like
quote
On the emphswitchinline select=syscaseinline
select=MAC%PRODUCTNAME -
Preferences/caseinlinedefaultinlineTools -
Options/defaultinline/switchinline - $[officename] - Expert
Config/emph tab page you can activate the use of indentations and
line breaks by setting the property
emph/org.openofficePrettyPrinting/emph to true.
/quote
(where these dots should be replaced with the complete ... name?
path? ... or something like that?) As of now, without the
possibility to search the Expert Config Page (and could this be
renamed to Expert Configuration, please? I think, neither the
short form for Configuration looks nice nor Page fits fully here
... :( ), I find it difficult to find this mentioned option there
... :( But I may not be the intended audience ... ;)
TIA for any help
Thomas.



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Where do I find PrettyPrinting in Expert config?

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


ah, O.K. Are you able to change the help text? I have not the right
to do it myself ... :( The only possibility I have otherwise, would
be to open a bug for it ... :(


I pushed the proposal to Gerrit for master: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/6799/
and for 4.2 branch: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/6800/

It still needs to be approved and then it should appear with the next 
translations update.

S.

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[libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations and no suggestions in Pootle

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi all,

in general, I like Pootle web app very much, but I found some annoying issues when translating new 
strings for 4.2.


First of all, some of new strings were translated automatically - which should not happen at all - 
and part of these translations was of course wrong (e.g. noun instead of adjective when the original 
is identical etc.). The strings can be noticed and fixed if they are in a dialog being translated 
completely, but this is totally unexpected. I suspect this happened also for previous versions and 
it might be related to the strange changes of strings reported by the Polish team.


The second issue was already mentioned by Andras: there is a huge amount of strings in help where 
only meaningless (in terms of translation) identifiers were changed. I can accept this, but there is 
still a problem that I get no suggestions for them (in previous versions, old translations were 
suggested and it would speeded up translation a lot).


Any help, especially how to show suggestions again, would be very appreciated.

Regards,
Stanislav



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[libreoffice-l10n] Problem with wrong own file in Pootle Terminology

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,

I uploaded an own file with apparently wrong header (probably missing \ns) to the Czech 
Terminology project in Pootle. Now I can't access the Terminology project due to server error 
(unknown encoding). Is it possible to delete this file somehow and fix the problem?


Thank you in advance,
Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Not recognized changes in (Polish) translation

[Stanislav Horáček]

Hi,


Moreover, the outcome is not date but serial number so description should
sound like:

=EDATE(3.31.2001;-1) returns the serial number 36950. Formatted as a
date, this is 2.28.2001



you are right, I pushed your suggestion for Gerrit review: 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/6239/
Thanks for reporting this!

Generally speaking, it would be very appreciated if someone could review (especially in terms of 
proofreading) these Gerrit patches related to local help content (the list of all reviews in 
progress can be found at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:help,n,z). It's a 
pity that help improvements are submitted unnoticed by documentation or translation teams... Thanks 
in advance to everyone who will get involved.


Regards,
Stanislav

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