Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations in Weblate
Hi Olivier, Thank you very much for your detailed report and your tests! Cheers Sophie Le 23/02/2022 à 20:54, Olivier Hallot a écrit : Hi I ran an empiric test on 3 services, namely Google, ModernMT, and LibreTranslate, all for the language I translate, pt-BR. The test was run on untranslated Help strings and when weblate translation memory gives no match. I found Google the most accurate. To be honest, it seems Google knows the string to translate belongs to an office suite spreadsheet Help string... ModernMT not good enough, some basic context mistakes. LibreTranslate quite good actually and promising. My remarks on LibreTranslate: * Occasionally, an extra period before a closing tag. * occasionally, errors on tags: BETA.INV... returned BETA.INV... * the more tags in the string, the more it get confused and renders poorly. * Admittedly, some strings in English are poorly written. The software does no miracles, poor English returns poor translation. * Mistakes in gender determination, if the 2 above are true * Lousy to detect UI terms (Dialog boxes elements) from normal nouns. * With confusing English, The usual "word-by-word" translation, returns English-y Portuguese that demands a manual intervention. However, I still think translators will benefit to have machine translation as suggestion alongside memory translation. If LibreTranslate can "learn" form existing translation memory, I'll expect improvements. test strings run on LibreTranslate * minor intervention ** major intervention https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=8 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=9 * https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=10 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=11 * https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=15 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=16 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=17 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=24 ** https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=25 * https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=26 * Regards Olivier Em 23/02/2022 11:53, sophi escreveu: Hi all, Le 23/02/2022 à 15:46, sophi a écrit : Hi all, Following the request made by Stanislav and Olivier on automatic translation built-in support in Weblate, we discussed the topic yesterday during our team meeting. Currently we rely on automatic suggestions from Weblate TM and amaGama TM, meaning there is no AI added. The possibility to include Aws, Microsoft, Google, DeepL, Baidu and more is already there in Weblate, see: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/machine.html Doing some research on the different translators available, I've seen some are really high in costs and/or do not cover a large range of languages. Traductor requests to be added in credits, I don't know for others. Yesterday, Olivier proposed Matecat (https://www.matecat.com/) which is an open source project. He is using it with the Brazilian community and it gives them very good results. From what I've tested, it supports a large range of languages, can be used locally. However not relevant here, I found their support for a large type of file formats very interesting too. Could you give a test to Matecat and let me know: So it seems following Ilmari's researches that my request to test Matecat is irrelevant. I'm copying his mail in the other thread here: - I looked more deeply into Matecat now - I never before managed to find information about the way it uses machine translation. It looks like Matecat itself will not give us any benefits. See these resources: https://guides.matecat.com/my "By default, we provide Google Translate API (we pay for it and offer it for free to Matecat users). If for any reason the Google Translate API is not available, we automatically switch to the Microsoft Bing API." https://guides.matecat.com/machine-translation-engines It looks like ModernMT is the system that is associated with Matecat creators: https://guides.matecat.com/modernmt-mmt-plug-in It is open source, even though it has a higher quality version for enterprises: https://github.com/modernmt/modernmt Weblate does support it, also with a self-hosted version:
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations in Weblate
Hi Sophie I tried Matecat and it works well for Dutch translations. Cheers, Kees sophi schreef op 23.02.2022 15:46: Hi all, Following the request made by Stanislav and Olivier on automatic translation built-in support in Weblate, we discussed the topic yesterday during our team meeting. Currently we rely on automatic suggestions from Weblate TM and amaGama TM, meaning there is no AI added. The possibility to include Aws, Microsoft, Google, DeepL, Baidu and more is already there in Weblate, see: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/machine.html Doing some research on the different translators available, I've seen some are really high in costs and/or do not cover a large range of languages. Traductor requests to be added in credits, I don't know for others. Yesterday, Olivier proposed Matecat (https://www.matecat.com/) which is an open source project. He is using it with the Brazilian community and it gives them very good results. From what I've tested, it supports a large range of languages, can be used locally. However not relevant here, I found their support for a large type of file formats very interesting too. Could you give a test to Matecat and let me know: - if that would work for your language - if there are more appropriate translators for your language that already exists (for example, Hossein told us about https://github.com/targoman for Persian). Thanks a lot in advance for your help! Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier so...@libreoffice.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: soph Foundation coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations in Weblate
Hi I ran an empiric test on 3 services, namely Google, ModernMT, and LibreTranslate, all for the language I translate, pt-BR. The test was run on untranslated Help strings and when weblate translation memory gives no match. I found Google the most accurate. To be honest, it seems Google knows the string to translate belongs to an office suite spreadsheet Help string... ModernMT not good enough, some basic context mistakes. LibreTranslate quite good actually and promising. My remarks on LibreTranslate: * Occasionally, an extra period before a closing tag. * occasionally, errors on tags: BETA.INV... returned BETA.INV... * the more tags in the string, the more it get confused and renders poorly. * Admittedly, some strings in English are poorly written. The software does no miracles, poor English returns poor translation. * Mistakes in gender determination, if the 2 above are true * Lousy to detect UI terms (Dialog boxes elements) from normal nouns. * With confusing English, The usual "word-by-word" translation, returns English-y Portuguese that demands a manual intervention. However, I still think translators will benefit to have machine translation as suggestion alongside memory translation. If LibreTranslate can "learn" form existing translation memory, I'll expect improvements. test strings run on LibreTranslate * minor intervention ** major intervention https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=8 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=9 * https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=10 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=11 * https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=15 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=16 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=17 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=24 ** https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=25 * https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pt_BR/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated=26 * Regards Olivier Em 23/02/2022 11:53, sophi escreveu: Hi all, Le 23/02/2022 à 15:46, sophi a écrit : Hi all, Following the request made by Stanislav and Olivier on automatic translation built-in support in Weblate, we discussed the topic yesterday during our team meeting. Currently we rely on automatic suggestions from Weblate TM and amaGama TM, meaning there is no AI added. The possibility to include Aws, Microsoft, Google, DeepL, Baidu and more is already there in Weblate, see: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/machine.html Doing some research on the different translators available, I've seen some are really high in costs and/or do not cover a large range of languages. Traductor requests to be added in credits, I don't know for others. Yesterday, Olivier proposed Matecat (https://www.matecat.com/) which is an open source project. He is using it with the Brazilian community and it gives them very good results. From what I've tested, it supports a large range of languages, can be used locally. However not relevant here, I found their support for a large type of file formats very interesting too. Could you give a test to Matecat and let me know: So it seems following Ilmari's researches that my request to test Matecat is irrelevant. I'm copying his mail in the other thread here: - I looked more deeply into Matecat now - I never before managed to find information about the way it uses machine translation. It looks like Matecat itself will not give us any benefits. See these resources: https://guides.matecat.com/my "By default, we provide Google Translate API (we pay for it and offer it for free to Matecat users). If for any reason the Google Translate API is not available, we automatically switch to the Microsoft Bing API." https://guides.matecat.com/machine-translation-engines It looks like ModernMT is the system that is associated with Matecat creators: https://guides.matecat.com/modernmt-mmt-plug-in It is open source, even though it has a higher quality version for enterprises: https://github.com/modernmt/modernmt Weblate does support it, also with a self-hosted version: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/blob/main/weblate/machinery/modernmt.py https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/1627#issuecomment-657171205 However, Weblate also supports LibreTranslate,
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations in Weblate
Hi all, Le 23/02/2022 à 15:46, sophi a écrit : Hi all, Following the request made by Stanislav and Olivier on automatic translation built-in support in Weblate, we discussed the topic yesterday during our team meeting. Currently we rely on automatic suggestions from Weblate TM and amaGama TM, meaning there is no AI added. The possibility to include Aws, Microsoft, Google, DeepL, Baidu and more is already there in Weblate, see: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/machine.html Doing some research on the different translators available, I've seen some are really high in costs and/or do not cover a large range of languages. Traductor requests to be added in credits, I don't know for others. Yesterday, Olivier proposed Matecat (https://www.matecat.com/) which is an open source project. He is using it with the Brazilian community and it gives them very good results. From what I've tested, it supports a large range of languages, can be used locally. However not relevant here, I found their support for a large type of file formats very interesting too. Could you give a test to Matecat and let me know: So it seems following Ilmari's researches that my request to test Matecat is irrelevant. I'm copying his mail in the other thread here: - I looked more deeply into Matecat now - I never before managed to find information about the way it uses machine translation. It looks like Matecat itself will not give us any benefits. See these resources: https://guides.matecat.com/my "By default, we provide Google Translate API (we pay for it and offer it for free to Matecat users). If for any reason the Google Translate API is not available, we automatically switch to the Microsoft Bing API." https://guides.matecat.com/machine-translation-engines It looks like ModernMT is the system that is associated with Matecat creators: https://guides.matecat.com/modernmt-mmt-plug-in It is open source, even though it has a higher quality version for enterprises: https://github.com/modernmt/modernmt Weblate does support it, also with a self-hosted version: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/blob/main/weblate/machinery/modernmt.py https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/1627#issuecomment-657171205 However, Weblate also supports LibreTranslate, which uses OpenNMT at its core: https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/blob/main/weblate/machinery/libretranslate.py https://libretranslate.com/ https://github.com/LibreTranslate/LibreTranslate https://github.com/argosopentech/argos-translate https://opennmt.net/ Could you please also evaluate LibreTranslate in addition to ModernMT? -- Thanks a lot Ilmari for your feedback. Please follow his request to evaluate LibreTranslate. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier so...@libreoffice.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: soph Foundation coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations in Weblate
Hi all, Following the request made by Stanislav and Olivier on automatic translation built-in support in Weblate, we discussed the topic yesterday during our team meeting. Currently we rely on automatic suggestions from Weblate TM and amaGama TM, meaning there is no AI added. The possibility to include Aws, Microsoft, Google, DeepL, Baidu and more is already there in Weblate, see: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/machine.html Doing some research on the different translators available, I've seen some are really high in costs and/or do not cover a large range of languages. Traductor requests to be added in credits, I don't know for others. Yesterday, Olivier proposed Matecat (https://www.matecat.com/) which is an open source project. He is using it with the Brazilian community and it gives them very good results. From what I've tested, it supports a large range of languages, can be used locally. However not relevant here, I found their support for a large type of file formats very interesting too. Could you give a test to Matecat and let me know: - if that would work for your language - if there are more appropriate translators for your language that already exists (for example, Hossein told us about https://github.com/targoman for Persian). Thanks a lot in advance for your help! Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier so...@libreoffice.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: soph Foundation coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
