[libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread sophie

Hi all,

I know that you're very busy with all kind of translations and community 
task but I would like you to read the mail below and give your opinion 
on your preferred choice and also, I would like you to be aware of the 
yesterday's SC meeting:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13
As you can see André, Fridrich and me are going to established the 
Member Committee. Please, read the Community Bylaws, ask your questions, 
speak about them around you, it is our Community life, so it's important :-)

Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Sophie


 Original Message 
Subject:[steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
Date:   Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:11:33 +0100
From:   Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
Reply-To:   steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org
Organization:   The Document Foundation
To: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org



Hello,

as discussed yesterday in the confcall, we're planning to give out
official LibreOffice e-mail accounts to people who are community members
per the membership committee's decision. (For information on the
membership committee, refer to yesterday's confcall as well. It will be
online as audio recording soon.)

My plan is to hand out only e-mail forwarders, not real mailboxes with
POP and IMAP, as the latter one requires lots of maintenance.

However, as we had lots of irritating issues with @openoffice.org e-mail
addresses, I would like to avoid these mistakes. It's evident that
@documentfoundation.org accounts are only for those who work for/with
TDF and are eligible to represent them in certain aspects, like the SC
or administrators.

For LibreOffice, I'm a bit hesitant to hand out @libreoffice.org, as
this may seem like people are acting on behalf of TDF, causing liability
issues. Maybe I'm too touchy, so I'm happy for comments, which is why I
am writing this mail. :-)

My plan is actually to have something like

volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org
or
volunteer.nickn...@libreofficemail.org
or
volunteer.nickn...@libreofficevolunteers.org

I'd like to avoid subdomains (@community.libreoffice.org), as they are
really ugly for e-mail accounts.

What are your thoughts?

Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Olav Dahlum
On 14/01/11 18:14, sophie wrote:
 Hi all,

 I know that you're very busy with all kind of translations and
 community task but I would like you to read the mail below and give
 your opinion on your preferred choice and also, I would like you to be
 aware of the yesterday's SC meeting:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13

 As you can see André, Fridrich and me are going to established the
 Member Committee. Please, read the Community Bylaws, ask your
 questions, speak about them around you, it is our Community life, so
 it's important :-)
 Thanks in advance
 Kind regards
 Sophie


  Original Message 
 Subject: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:11:33 +0100
 From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
 Reply-To: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org
 Organization: The Document Foundation
 To: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org



 Hello,

 as discussed yesterday in the confcall, we're planning to give out
 official LibreOffice e-mail accounts to people who are community members
 per the membership committee's decision. (For information on the
 membership committee, refer to yesterday's confcall as well. It will be
 online as audio recording soon.)

 My plan is to hand out only e-mail forwarders, not real mailboxes with
 POP and IMAP, as the latter one requires lots of maintenance.

 However, as we had lots of irritating issues with @openoffice.org e-mail
 addresses, I would like to avoid these mistakes. It's evident that
 @documentfoundation.org accounts are only for those who work for/with
 TDF and are eligible to represent them in certain aspects, like the SC
 or administrators.

 For LibreOffice, I'm a bit hesitant to hand out @libreoffice.org, as
 this may seem like people are acting on behalf of TDF, causing liability
 issues. Maybe I'm too touchy, so I'm happy for comments, which is why I
 am writing this mail. :-)

 My plan is actually to have something like

 volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org
 or
 volunteer.nickn...@libreofficemail.org
 or
 volunteer.nickn...@libreofficevolunteers.org

 I'd like to avoid subdomains (@community.libreoffice.org), as they are
 really ugly for e-mail accounts.

 What are your thoughts?

 Florian


Well, I would say the only problem would be if the
documentfoundation.org domain was to be put
under the same conditions, which would lead to issues. However, the
libreoffice.org (also applies
to regional ones) domain should be available for every contributor in
the community. These can
however, as you point out, be different depending on the involvement.

-Olav.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.01.14 19:14, sophie rašė:

Hello,

as discussed yesterday in the confcall, we're planning to give out
official LibreOffice e-mail accounts to people who are community members
per the membership committee's decision. (For information on the
membership committee, refer to yesterday's confcall as well. It will be
online as audio recording soon.)

My plan is to hand out only e-mail forwarders, not real mailboxes with
POP and IMAP, as the latter one requires lots of maintenance.

However, as we had lots of irritating issues with @openoffice.org e-mail
addresses, I would like to avoid these mistakes. It's evident that
@documentfoundation.org accounts are only for those who work for/with
TDF and are eligible to represent them in certain aspects, like the SC
or administrators.


agreed.


For LibreOffice, I'm a bit hesitant to hand out @libreoffice.org, as
this may seem like people are acting on behalf of TDF, causing liability
issues. Maybe I'm too touchy, so I'm happy for comments, which is why I
am writing this mail. :-)

My plan is actually to have something like

volunteer.nickn...@libreofficecommunity.org
or
volunteer.nickn...@libreofficemail.org
or
volunteer.nickn...@libreofficevolunteers.org

I'd like to avoid subdomains (@community.libreoffice.org), as they are
really ugly for e-mail accounts.


I think domains like libreofficecommunity.org are just as ugly.

I'd say it should be either libreoffice.org, or nothing. After all, it's 
nobody's obligation to offer email addresses to anyone, so why not just 
make up some rules (not necessarily formal) instead of being touchy?


Actually, I can't think of any other open-source project (except 
OpenOffice.org) that would offer email addresses to anyone, and I don't 
think it's necessary (as if we all didn't have a bunch of addresses 
already).


Rimas

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts

2011-01-14 Thread universero, trio
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Mikel Pascual mikel.pask...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt wrote:

 2011.01.14 19:14, sophie rašė:

  Hello,

Hello to you all,

   I'm new here. I've been a translator for lots of projects, but just
found out about the LibreOffice fork and i'm very happy to get away
from Oracle. Sorry to start with a me too response, but i don't know
how people get their voices heard otherwise around here yet.

 My plan is to hand out only e-mail forwarders, not real mailboxes with
 POP and IMAP, as the latter one requires lots of maintenance.

 However, as we had lots of irritating issues with @openoffice.org e-mail
 addresses, I would like to avoid these mistakes.
...
  For LibreOffice, I'm a bit hesitant to hand out @libreoffice.org, as
 this may seem like people are acting on behalf of TDF, causing liability
 issues. Maybe I'm too touchy, so I'm happy for comments, which is why I
 am writing this mail. :-)
...
 I'd like to avoid subdomains (@community.libreoffice.org), as they are
 really ugly for e-mail accounts.

 I think domains like libreofficecommunity.org are just as ugly.

   I agree.

 I'd say it should be either libreoffice.org, or nothing. After all, it's
 nobody's obligation to offer email addresses to anyone, so why not just make
 up some rules (not necessarily formal) instead of being touchy?

   It seems to me that if you give someone an address then you are
indeed giving them some authority to speak for the organization. Why
shouldn't people use their own addresses?

 I first thought that maybe the Steering Committee and people in charge of
 l10n/marketing/website/etc should get one, so things could be more official.
 but... things would be more official, and it may discourage people to debate
 after a response from a @libreoffice.org mail?

   If someone is discouraged by the return address of a member of the
Steering Committee then they will probably be discouraged to reply to
a Committee member no matter what their address.

 it's great to see the willingness to give @libreoffice.org addresses, but I
 don't see the advantages; apart from the excitement of having
 m...@libreoffice.org, of course.

   Yes. It would be cool, but unnecessary.

 I may be wrong, and a @libreoffice.org reward is worth the effort?

   I have many domains where i give out addresses. There is work
involved and i wonder if it's worth the effort administering the
addresses, rather than putting that into LibreOffice itself?

 Actually, I can't think of any other open-source project (except
 OpenOffice.org) that would offer email addresses to anyone, and I don't
 think it's necessary (as if we all didn't have a bunch of addresses
 already).

   Agreed.

   Thank you.

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