Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi, Sophie On 27/05/13 18:11, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi Donald, On 27/05/2013 01:50, Donald Rogers wrote: Hi everyone Could someone please explain how and where to upload the User Guides ODT and PDF files for languages other than English? How is it that the files athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications have paths such as this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt while the code has: [[Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt|ODT]] ornbsp; ? The documentation using_odfauthors.odt only talks about the English version. I want to know what the localization teams do. You can build a wiki area in your language and place the documentation there. This is what we have done for the FR documentation (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides_utilisateur_officiels) At the top of most of the pages on the wiki, you have a language code: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation and don't forget to create a Category for your language. Kind regards Sophie Thank you, especially for your comment about creating a category page. I had not done that previously but it is pretty painless to do. The upload just worked, and it sorted out those strange paths automagically. I added three pages based on the relevant EN and FR pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:EO When I uploaded the ODT and PDF files I was asked to choose a copyright type. I chose Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/, I presume that is okay? When I uploaded a PDF file the Wiki complained that the file had the same name as the previous ODT file (different extension of course) but I ignored that. Regards Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi Tom I suggest that the prompt be made more helpful, including that the warning can be ignored if the extensions are different or the user wants to replace the file with a new version. I leave the wording to someone who knows all the ins and outs. Regards Donald On 29/05/13 02:13, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Sorry about the wiki grumbling about using the same name (with different extension). It seemed to work out just fine. I can click on each one and they each open in the right way for their type so neither got over-written. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz *To:* l10n@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 May 2013, 11:01 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides Hi, Sophie Thank you, especially for your comment about creating a category page. I had not done that previously but it is pretty painless to do. The upload just worked, and it sorted out those strange paths automagically. I added three pages based on the relevant EN and FR pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/eo https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:EO When I uploaded the ODT and PDF files I was asked to choose a copyright type. I chose Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/, I presume that is okay? When I uploaded a PDF file the Wiki complained that the file had the same name as the previous ODT file (different extension of course) but I ignored that. Regards Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi Donald, On 27/05/2013 01:50, Donald Rogers wrote: Hi everyone Could someone please explain how and where to upload the User Guides ODT and PDF files for languages other than English? How is it that the files at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications have paths such as this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt while the code has: [[Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt|ODT]] ornbsp; ? The documentation using_odfauthors.odt only talks about the English version. I want to know what the localization teams do. You can build a wiki area in your language and place the documentation there. This is what we have done for the FR documentation (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides_utilisateur_officiels) At the top of most of the pages on the wiki, you have a language code: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation and don't forget to create a Category for your language. Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi :) Please could people avoid using spaces and _ in those wiki addresses? It's not really relevant to Sophie's example because the # and after is a heading within a page rather than part of the page's address. Underscores vanish in the default automatic formatting in emails and documents so it makes it difficult to trouble-shoot when someone has a problem reaching the page. For example these 2 addresses look the same but 1 works and the other doesn't; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides utilisateur officiels https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides_utilisateur_officiels If you look really closely you might be lucky enough to see the slight bulges in the 2nd link but is the one with the bulges always the right one to click? Spaces often get replaced by %20 which non-geeks find difficult to read and that makes them avoid reading any of the rest of the url so they end up clicking on blatantly dodgy links in other places and then being reluctant to click on our legitimate ones. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides%20utilisateur%20officiels Over the past couple of weeks we have had a few problems with the % being replaced by something like %24 which makes the line increasingly complicated https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides%2420utilisateur%2420officiels CamelCase is better because it doesn't get so badly messed up so easily. At first you will find it a little awkward to read but even non-geeks manage it and are not scared off by it. The example would be https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#GuidesUtilisateurOfficiels Of course that link wont really work but is just given as an example of how a wiki address might be written. The French page is really just simply https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr Which looks really simple and elegant to me. Regards from Tom :) From: Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 7:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides Hi Donald, On 27/05/2013 01:50, Donald Rogers wrote: Hi everyone Could someone please explain how and where to upload the User Guides ODT and PDF files for languages other than English? How is it that the files at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications have paths such as this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt while the code has: [[Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt|ODT]] ornbsp; ? The documentation using_odfauthors.odt only talks about the English version. I want to know what the localization teams do. You can build a wiki area in your language and place the documentation there. This is what we have done for the FR documentation (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides_utilisateur_officiels) At the top of most of the pages on the wiki, you have a language code: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation and don't forget to create a Category for your language. Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi :) I think i missed the point. In the original posting it gave some coding of which the important part was; Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt I don't know how to upload files to the wiki! The wiki is different from the ODFAuthors site. The ODFAuthors site is used during editing and proofreading so that only members of the team can access the chapters of the guides. Once the chapters are ready they get uploaded to the wiki. Almost anyone can read them or download them from the wiki. Eventually (usually a week or 2 after all the chapters of a guide have been done and the whole guide put together) the official LibreOffice website puts up links to the chapters and guide that are on the wiki. Around the same time the guides are given to the Lulu bookstore to sell. Jean Weber of the Documentation Team sorts out everything in this paragraph but it would be good for other people to learn how to do all this or even just parts of it. Getting back to the code on the wiki; 1. nbsp; = a space (same as in html and sometimes other bits of html works too but mostly the wiki language tries to 'simplify') Sometimes if you try to put a space at the end of a line it gets lost. Also if you have 2 or more spaces together the wiki reduces it to just 1 space so if you wanted 3 spaces you could break it up by using the nbsp; thing in the middle, such as nbsp; . For 5 spaces nbsp; nbsp; . It is the same in html and just makes the whole thing look a lot more confusing than it really is. 2. The [[ and ]] marks are to tell the wiki that there is a link in the middle. Inside the first part is the address you want people to go to when they click on the link. The bit after the | is what shows on the page. So people only see the ODT part but when they click on it they go to Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt 3. The full address in the example is really https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt but because it's within the LibreOffice wiki rather than an external link you can choose to use the shortened form Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt 4. I have a bad feeling that if you do want to use the full address and try to access the chapter as though it was external then you might have to switch to single [ ] marks instead of the double ones [[ ]]. Also you might need to remove the | and just use a space instead and it's possible you might need to switch around the 1st and 2nd parts, ie to make it [[ODT https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt]] instead of [[Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt|ODT]] 5. I was just trying to get the page to read ODT or PDF with just the ODT and the PDF parts being clickable and with things neatly lined up under each other but it became a bit of a nightmare and the coding is a lot less elegant than i would have liked. I tried to make it as easy as possible for documenters to be able to work out where to put their links and things but i am not brilliant at wiki-mark-up. Different wikis do it different ways so you just have to experiment with them a bit sometimes. Guides about how to write wiki-mark-up are often different from their implementation so they are good to get ideas from but then just have to play around and make use of the Preview tab near the top of the editing window. Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com; l10n@global.libreoffice.org l10n@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 9:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides Hi :) Please could people avoid using spaces and _ in those wiki addresses? It's not really relevant to Sophie's example because the # and after is a heading within a page rather than part of the page's address. Underscores vanish in the default automatic formatting in emails and documents so it makes it difficult to trouble-shoot when someone has a problem reaching the page. For example these 2 addresses look the same but 1 works and the other doesn't; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides utilisateur officiels https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides_utilisateur_officiels If you look really closely you might be lucky enough to see the slight bulges in the 2nd link but is the one with the bulges always the right one to click? Spaces often get replaced by %20 which non-geeks find difficult to read and that makes them avoid reading any of the rest of the url so they end up clicking on blatantly dodgy links in other places and then being reluctant to click on our legitimate ones. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/fr#Guides%20utilisateur%20officiels Over the past couple of weeks we have had a few problems with the % being replaced
[libreoffice-l10n] Uploading LO User Guides
Hi everyone Could someone please explain how and where to upload the User Guides ODT and PDF files for languages other than English? How is it that the files at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications have paths such as this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d8/GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt while the code has: [[Media:GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt|ODT]] ornbsp; ? The documentation using_odfauthors.odt only talks about the English version. I want to know what the localization teams do. Regards Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
