RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
I agree that removing it shouldn’t be a significant focus, but my job as a contributor to the OpenOffice project, and Pootle, is not only to translate, but to report bugs too, and I believe this is a non-functioning button, thus it shall be classified as a ‘Bug’. Also, I do not think there should me immense focus on its removal, as we can ALL agree if there is something that is non-functioning, and that will never be functioning due to it being a paid service, then why not remove it and help the UI of Pootle improve in this sense. Removing it should not take hours or days of someone’s time, and thus should be a straightforward process. Regards, Ahmad From: Marcus<mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de> Sent: 07 February 2018 23:26 To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:l10n@openoffice.apache.org> Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT Am 08.02.2018 um 00:15 schrieb Ahmad Alawsie: > Yes absolutely, that would make the UI so much more cleaner so translators do > not get confused as to why a non-functioning button exists. as this is the first time - since many years of using Pootle - somebody has noticed/mentioned the button and is claiming of its non-function, I don't now if this is really a value add when we focus on its removal. Maybe we should go back and concentrate on using the Pootle software: with translations. ;-) Marcus > From: Andrea Pescetti<mailto:pesce...@apache.org> > Sent: 07 February 2018 18:38 > To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:l10n@openoffice.apache.org> > Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT > > On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote: >> Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a >> point > > OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll > look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators > are not confused. > > Regards, > Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Am 08.02.2018 um 00:15 schrieb Ahmad Alawsie: Yes absolutely, that would make the UI so much more cleaner so translators do not get confused as to why a non-functioning button exists. as this is the first time - since many years of using Pootle - somebody has noticed/mentioned the button and is claiming of its non-function, I don't now if this is really a value add when we focus on its removal. Maybe we should go back and concentrate on using the Pootle software: with translations. ;-) Marcus From: Andrea Pescetti<mailto:pesce...@apache.org> Sent: 07 February 2018 18:38 To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:l10n@openoffice.apache.org> Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote: Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators are not confused. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Yes absolutely, that would make the UI so much more cleaner so translators do not get confused as to why a non-functioning button exists. From: Andrea Pescetti<mailto:pesce...@apache.org> Sent: 07 February 2018 18:38 To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:l10n@openoffice.apache.org> Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote: > Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators are not confused. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote: Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators are not confused. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Hi Andrea and all, Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point in the button being displayed on the webpage, and perhaps it is a good idea to remove it for those reasons. If there’s no use of a feature, then there’s no purpose for its existence. Regards Ahmad A From: Andrea Pescetti<mailto:pesce...@apache.org> Sent: 02 February 2018 23:52 To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:l10n@openoffice.apache.org> Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT Ahmad Alawsie wrote: > I have no issue with Google translate and would actually like this shortcut > button to function. The Pootle documentation http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.7.2/features/machine_translation.html states this is a paid service, with fees listed at https://cloud.google.com/translate/pricing The fact that it is a paid service complicates things a lot. Not much for the amount (it's 20$ per million characters; still, it would be a large amount if you consider all strings and all languages), but for the paperwork needed for the ASF to an expenditure "per use" of this kind. I mean: for a free service we would only have the technical issue, for a paid service this becomes very complex to handle. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Ahmad Alawsie wrote: I have no issue with Google translate and would actually like this shortcut button to function. The Pootle documentation http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.7.2/features/machine_translation.html states this is a paid service, with fees listed at https://cloud.google.com/translate/pricing The fact that it is a paid service complicates things a lot. Not much for the amount (it's 20$ per million characters; still, it would be a large amount if you consider all strings and all languages), but for the paperwork needed for the ASF to an expenditure "per use" of this kind. I mean: for a free service we would only have the technical issue, for a paid service this becomes very complex to handle. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Hi Andrea and all, I must disagree to some extent with not recommending Google translate. Firstly, I wish to state that I do not use Google Translate for entire translations, since it translates word to word, and not based on the context of the actual phrase. However, I do believe it is useful in the sense that it gives a word and other alternatives for the translated words, and as an Arabic translator on this service, I have no issue with Google translate and would actually like this shortcut button to function. This is for the same reasons I had stated in the previous email in regards to this issue: time-efficient and is useful for word-to-word translations, which will then allow the translator to translate further, based on the context of the phrase that needs to be translated. I hope you can understand what I am saying, and am looking forward to seeing that button actually functioning, in order to boost efficiency of translation for a translator (contributor) like myself. Thanks again and will look forward to hearing back from you. Kind regards, Ahmad A From: Andrea Pescetti<mailto:pesce...@apache.org> Sent: 02 February 2018 08:32 To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:l10n@openoffice.apache.org> Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT Ahmad Alawsie wrote: > So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and > I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google > translate page, or maybe a mini-window Thanks for flagging this. The Google translate option came with a Pootle update but was never configured. We do not recommend using Google Translate since quality is better if you don't use it (and, if your aim is consistency, Pootle will give suggestions by itself). Do you think it would be really useful? At the moment is is an unused new feature that you are seeing just because of a system update. But if you feel it would be important we can look into it. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Ahmad Alawsie wrote: So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google translate page, or maybe a mini-window Thanks for flagging this. The Google translate option came with a Pootle update but was never configured. We do not recommend using Google Translate since quality is better if you don't use it (and, if your aim is consistency, Pootle will give suggestions by itself). Do you think it would be really useful? At the moment is is an unused new feature that you are seeing just because of a system update. But if you feel it would be important we can look into it. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Hi all, I hope everyone is doing well. I am mailing you all to raise awareness to an issue that I have encountered whilst translating strings on the Apache Translate Pootle Service. So whilst I’m translating, I decided to fiddle around with the website a little and came across an issue that occurs not only in the Arabic translation section, but for all other languages such as French, German, Italian and so on. Take a look at the picture below and be aware of where my cursor is pointing at... [cid:image001.png@01D39AF7.62347140] So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google translate page, or maybe a mini-window on the current webpage I’m on, or at the very least, automatically translate the English string to Arabic based on Google translation. None of that happens, though, and instead I receive an error message at the bottom of the webpage saying “Google Translate Error. The request is missing a valid API key”. [cid:image005.png@01D39AF7.62347140] I hope this makes sense to you all and am looking to hearing back from the relevant individual/s on a solution to this issue, as the existence of that button is there to work, and not be out of order. I would also like to express my interest in potentially helping you out with fixing this and other related problems as I am a sufficiently experienced coder too and not only a translator Thanks again everyone and I wish you all the best. Regards, Ahmad
