Re: [lace] Thread facts

2004-03-25 Thread Jean Barrett
Hi Susie,
But for whatever reason, here in England we can buy Tanne cops in a 
wide variety of colours. I have pinks, greens, red (I don't seem to go 
much on blues) in my drawer right now. Actually one of the things on my 
list for Saturday and Harrogate Lace Day is some 50 in a pale turquoise 
shade. I think that will come in the cotona range on a small cotton 
reel.
Jean in Cleveland U.K.
On 24 Mar 2004, at 14:37, C. Johnson wrote:

Lacemakers

In Regard to Maderia thread my Austrialian lace friend sent me this
information :
The thread all of Europe, Australia and New Zealand called Cotona has 
been
discontinued. The thread that Europe and Australia calls Madeira Tanne 
is
still produced. For some reason Madeira Tanne was called Cotona in the 
USA
and there lies the confusion. The cotona was sewing cotton and was
available in a range of colours, whereas the Tanne is lace thread and 
is
available only on larger cops in white, ecru and black. Madeira Tanne 
is
still available. The word Tanne means cotton. Judith Markham

Susie Johnson
Morris, IL
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Re: [lace] Broken Threads?

2004-03-25 Thread Linda Walton
Patricia in Wales wrote:-

 I find it interesting that green seems to damage thread. (snip)

I believe I have evidence that the problem may really lie with the colour,
and not a rogue batch of cotton fibre, or even Madeira manufacture.  After
considerable rummaging, I've found the bobbin of thread that caused me so
much grief, (why on Earth did I keep it?), when I first decided to
experiment with colour in my lace.  It's DMC Brillante d'Alsace coton 30,
and it carries the number 953, which I take to be a colour code.  Anyway,
it's a lovely pale green, shading slightly towards turquoise, which matched
some hand-made beads I wanted to include.

Well, I never got as far as putting in the beads, as the wretched stuff
broke with far too much regularity for my peace of mind.  I despaired of the
project, and - now I come to think of it - of using colour in lace.  In
fact, I've only just recently dug out my beads and ordered some matching
thread, this time in linen, because I *still* have that project at the back
of my mind.  (Raising its hand and bouncing up and down, wanting to be
made - do other people have to put up with that sort of thing, or do I just
have an undisciplined mind?)

Anyway, I shall try again - and if the thread takes to breaking again, this
time I can go back to the lady who is dyeing it for me:  I'm sure she'll be
intrigued by the problem, and want to discuss it at length.

Yours sincerely,
Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.).

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Re: [lace] Broken Threads?

2004-03-25 Thread Laceandbits
Whether I have been lucky or not, over the last couple of years I have been 
using the Colcoton Unikat threads quite a lot - including pale green and pale 
turquoise-green and have had no problems at all with any of the colours 
breaking, in either of the thicknesses.  Unfortunately there is not a very fine 
one.

They are a 2ply, S twist thread whereas the Madeira Cotona and Tanne are Z 
twist.  I note that the original problem was not really *breaking* so much as 
the thread pulling apart which happens when it becomes untwisted.  I have had 
students with this problem with the white Madeira and I feel it is maybe 
something to do with the way they handle the thread when winding or how they move 
their bobbins, but I have never been able to analyse quite what.   They all use 
spangled bobbins, but as one student will have the problem and another not even 
though they are using the same spool of thread..  The way to solve it 
is to regularly stop and overtwist any bobbins where the thread is starting 
to untwist.  For some reason it seems to be worse with the 30 and 50 than the 
80.  Not logical.

But this doesn't explain why you may have the problem with one colour and not 
another, and why the pale greens seem to be so vunerable.  

Take all the normal care such as pulling the thread off the side of the reel 
and winding the bobbin onto the thread rather than thread onto bobbin.  But 
having said that, if you were to pull the thread off the right end of the reel 
as you are winding you would actually be adding a little extra twist which 
would help to strengthen the thread.  

It has also been suggested previously on arachne that Z twist threads benefit 
from being wound anti-clockwise; if you try this don't forget you need to 
reverse your hitch as well.

There is quite an interesting web site about thread www.ylicorp.com which 
includes an interesting printable booklet on all aspects of thread such as twist, 
weight, fibre and the different processes that are used in manufacture.  
Although basically designed for sewers, there is a lot of interesting info there.  
  
  
  
   

A couple of relevant things I spotted are that a Z twist is better for sewing 
machines (hence the Madeira Z twist as they are basically machine embroidery 
thread not originally lace thread) as the machine action tends to increase a Z 
twist but untwist and weaken an S twist - maybe the reverse applies to bobbin 
lace if the thread is wound in the normal clockwise manner.And that 
amongst the things to look for in a good thread such as strength and uniformity, 
one of the factors is ply security.  Perhaps the pale greens need an extra 
process in dying that dries the thread, or even makes it more springy so the ply 
security is affected and it just doesn't find it easy to stay together.

Jacquie

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[lace] Madeira Tanne

2004-03-25 Thread Jacqui Southworth
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:52:00 +, you wrote:

Hi Susie,
But for whatever reason, here in England we can buy Tanne cops in a 
wide variety of colours. I have pinks, greens, red (I don't seem to go 
much on blues) in my drawer right now. Actually one of the things on my 
list for Saturday and Harrogate Lace Day is some 50 in a pale turquoise 
shade. I think that will come in the cotona range on a small cotton 
reel.
Jean in Cleveland U.K.

I stock about 72 colours in the Tanne 30 range, which is about 3/4 of the whole range. 
Although I sometimes have to wait a while for certain colours
when I re-order, they usually come eventually and as far as Madeira UK know the 
majority of the range is still available, - however a few colours have
been discontinued. I have just checked with Madeira, and they are actually increasing 
the colour range of the Cotona 30, and possible a few more in
the Cotona 50, so no need to worry or panic buy.
ttfn Jacqui

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[lace] colour in lace etc.

2004-03-25 Thread rick sharon
Angela, I must know...what thread was Miriam using to do colour in her
Honiton? :)  I've always thought honiton screams for very subtle
colouring..is there coloured thread out there that is fine enough?  If there
is, I wants it!:)
Another point that I thought interesting in the last digest..how does Fimo
work for making beads for spangles?  I've often thought I'd like to make a
bottom bead to match my painted bobbins..is it really suitable?  Does it
stand up to much use?
About green threads.  I knew a lady who wanted to clean an antique
embroidery, which she did very gently and very carefully in distilled water.
The whole thing turned out beautifully except the green.  It  just
disintegrated and not a hair was left.  At the time I wondered whether it
was the chemical composition of the dye itself.  I have run up against this
a couple of times since with things I have bought at flea markets, and it's
always the green thread that falls apart.  Interesting.   Sharon  on rainy,
windy Vancouver Island

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Re [lace] colour in lace etc.

2004-03-25 Thread Patricia Dowden
. . .
About green threads.  I knew a lady who wanted to clean an antique
embroidery, which she did very gently and very carefully in distilled water.
The whole thing turned out beautifully except the green.  It  just
disintegrated and not a hair was left.  At the time I wondered whether it
was the chemical composition of the dye itself.  I have run up against this
a couple of times since with things I have bought at flea markets, and it's
always the green thread that falls apart.  Interesting.   
Sharon 

=
Hi Sharon,

I have to think that it is the chemical composition of the green dye stuff.  A friend 
of mine used to make kites from ripstop nylon fabric.  In spite of being the same 
fabric in the same weight from the same manufacturer, the hand of the fabric differed 
by color rather dramatically.  As I recall, the yellow was quite stiff and the purple 
was soft and flowing.

We know that the black dyes used in the 19th century are eating the fabrics they were 
applied to because of their iron oxide content.  That means that most Chantilly is 
slowly dy(e)ing and is already mostly too fragile to actually wear.

Modern dye manufacture is often stymied by ecological constraints into using less than 
optimal formulations. It seems to me that probably something in the green dye stuffs 
(some mineral oxide in a solvent) are not easy to bring to a neutral or near neutral 
state or that once stable, they degrade over time, which also probably means that they 
oxidize.

Oddly, since I like to make lace in wire, a nice bright royal blue wire is 
non-existent.  Maybe for the same kind of reason.  Modern enamelled wire is actually 
coated with polyester much of the time.  In any case, it isn't really enamel and 
doesn't come in a nice bright blue.

End of musings . . . 

Patty

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Re: [lace] Thread facts

2004-03-25 Thread Brenda Paternoster
Susie

Cotona *is* Tanne; just wound onto smaller reels, and only available in 
the paler colours (that they think lacemakers want!)

I have just checked the Madeira website
http://www.madeira.de
and Cotona 30, 50 and 80 are in the retail list.  On the industrial 
pages it's Tanne on medium or very large cops although only size 30 is 
mentioned.  But if Cotona is still available in the finer sizes I'd 
expect Tanne to be available too.

Like all Madeira threads Tanne/Cotona is designed as an embroidery 
thread, primarily for machine embroidery although they do use Tanne 30 
to make their stranded cotton.  (The reason a single strand of that 
measures slightly thicker than Tanne is because there is no tension on 
the skeins of stranded as there is on the reels.)

Tanne is a softly spun 2ply thread.  That means that when it's used for 
satin stitch the thread will flatten down and cover the surface well.  
It also means that for BL such as point ground with lots of twists the 
threads will enmesh into each other to make a soft lace that drapes 
well.  Regular machine sewing threads made for stitching seams are 
3ply, mainly for the extra strength.

I don't speak any German, but my English/German dictionary translates 
tanne as 'fir' as in fir-trees.  The German word for cotton is 
baumwolle.

Brenda

On 24 Mar 2004, at 14:37, C. Johnson wrote:

In Regard to Maderia thread my Austrialian lace friend sent me this
information :
The thread all of Europe, Australia and New Zealand called Cotona has 
been
discontinued. The thread that Europe and Australia calls Madeira Tanne 
is
still produced. For some reason Madeira Tanne was called Cotona in the 
USA
and there lies the confusion. The cotona was sewing cotton and was
available in a range of colours, whereas the Tanne is lace thread and 
is
available only on larger cops in white, ecru and black. Madeira Tanne 
is
still available. The word Tanne means cotton.
Brenda
http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/
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Re: Re [lace] colour in lace etc.

2004-03-25 Thread Barbara Ballantyne
The effect of dyes appears to be quite marked in the rayon sold as crochet
silk to day.

The pale colours are soft and good to work with but the dark blues and black
in the range are so harsh that I would not use them.

I have a black shawl in black rayon from many years ago and it is delightful
both in appearance and the drape.  I have looked without success for
thread to work a similar one.

Barbara Ballantyne
in Sunny Sydney, australia
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 . . .
 About green threads.  I knew a lady who wanted to clean an antique
 embroidery, which she did very gently and very carefully in distilled
water.
 The whole thing turned out beautifully except the green.  It  just
 disintegrated and not a hair was left.  At the time I wondered whether it
 was the chemical composition of the dye itself.  I have run up against
this
 a couple of times since with things I have bought at flea markets, and
it's
 always the green thread that falls apart.  Interesting.
 Sharon

 =
 Hi Sharon,

 I have to think that it is the chemical composition of the green dye
stuff.  A friend of mine used to make kites from ripstop nylon fabric.  In
spite of being the same fabric in the same weight from the same
manufacturer, the hand of the fabric differed by color rather dramatically.
As I recall, the yellow was quite stiff and the purple was soft and flowing.

 We know that the black dyes used in the 19th century are eating the
fabrics they were applied to because of their iron oxide content.  That
means that most Chantilly is slowly dy(e)ing and is already mostly too
fragile to actually wear.

 Modern dye manufacture is often stymied by ecological constraints into
using less than optimal formulations. It seems to me that probably something
in the green dye stuffs (some mineral oxide in a solvent) are not easy to
bring to a neutral or near neutral state or that once stable, they degrade
over time, which also probably means that they oxidize.

 Oddly, since I like to make lace in wire, a nice bright royal blue wire is
non-existent.  Maybe for the same kind of reason.  Modern enamelled wire is
actually coated with polyester much of the time.  In any case, it isn't
really enamel and doesn't come in a nice bright blue.

 End of musings . . .

 Patty

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[lace] Re: Broken Threads?/Thread facts

2004-03-25 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Mar 25, 2004, at 5:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacquie Tinch) wrote:

But this doesn't explain why you may have the problem with one colour 
and not
another, and why the pale greens seem to be so vunerable.
Not only that. I have two very pale greens of the Madeira (Tanne) 50, 
one being slightly more yellow, the other slightlyu more blue. And only 
one of them parts with a sigh, the other one doesn't (and neither of 
the other colours/shades)

Linda  Walton wrote:

[...] I *still* have that project at the back
of my mind.  (Raising its hand and bouncing up and down, wanting to be
made - do other people have to put up with that sort of thing, or do I 
just
have an undisciplined mind?)
You just have an undisciplined mind g So do I, which is why it 
happens to me all the time. There are always some projects that just 
won't quit nagging and let me rest. They're not interested in deadlines 
on other projects; they *will* be done, and done *now*, or else... 
Everything else is a pretender to them, so they'll cause retro-lacing 
by the yard, make pine-cones of all leaves, and break the threads on 
anything else... I've learnt to listen to such promptings; in the 
long run, it's much easier on everyone (them, me and the pretenders)

Brenda Paternoster wrote:

I don't speak any German, but my English/German dictionary translates 
tanne as 'fir' as in fir-trees.  The German word for cotton is 
baumwolle.
I don't speak any German either, and understand very little by now, but 
as baumwolle (tree-wool) figured largely (alongside of bawelna and 
cotton) on many pieces of my clothing in childhood and teens, I'm not 
likely to forget it  :)  I also wondered in which language Tanne 
means cotton...

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Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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[lace] Colour in Lace

2004-03-25 Thread Adele Shaak
it's
always the green thread that falls apart.
I have found this with wool, too: if you work with the Appleton crewel 
wool (for embroidery), the sea-greens are much thinner and more prone 
to breakage than any other colour. The greens that are not sea-green 
are just as strong as the other colours - it always seems to be the 
sea-green that's the problem.

I asked around about this once, and was told that in order to get a 
nice sea-green the wool has to go through more than dyeing processes 
than for the other colours. Each dyeing process requires mordanting, 
which weakens the fibre somewhat, and the result is that the sea-green 
is extra-weak compared to the other wools that go through fewer 
processes.

Perhaps it is the same for other fibres.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
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[lace] The Hat

2004-03-25 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Oh, David, Please wear the hat at Lace Day tomorrow! - (Presuming you will
be there.)
I am longing to see it!

from Liz in Melbourne, Oz,
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[lace] Bedfordshire lace: another cry for help

2004-03-25 Thread Elizabeth Shipp
Hi all,

Many thanks to all who sent me contact information for Robin Lewis-Wild, it
was very helpful!

With a large dose of enthusiasm and a very miniscule amout of common sense,
I recently plunged into a big project, the dress cap in Barbara Underwood's
book Traditional Bedfordshire Lace book (Plate 4 and pages 38/39, in my
edition).  I started at the front peak of it and am working backwards
towards the three tails.  I've been adding pairs every time I turned around,
and at the moment I'm down onto the shoulder above the third half-stitch
bud from the center, in other words the half-stitch bud where the plait from
the circle around the bud leads down to the first half-stitch leaf.

So far at least, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of need/opportunity to
throw out pairs, it seems like everything I've added I'm going to need
still.  However, at some point I'm going to have to throw out pairs because
they're all headed for the center and it's going to be a mess if they're all
still in there.  Either throw out pairs, that is, or redirect them somehow.

To me, it looks like some of the pairs work downwards through the
half-stitch leaves that head toward the center triangle, for example the
diagonal/zig-zag plaits between the second and third half-stitch leaf.  It
also looks like the third and fourth half-stitch leaves on each side may be
worked out from the center, where the first and second are worked in towards
the center.

Am I (literally) headed in the right direction here, or have I let too much
enthusiasm turn me around and mess with my head?  I'd appreciate any help
anyone can give me!

Best regards,

Elizabeth
Leverkusen, Germany, where spring is on its way... slowly

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[lace-chat] Button/bead box

2004-03-25 Thread Jean Nathan
Of course, as Tamara said, in addition to the button box, there's the bead
box.

I started mine as a child, when an aunt gave me a broken necklace. It got
added to by other relatives, and I used to swap beads with friends. I've
still got some of the ones from my childhood, but I sold nearly all the
plastic beads, especially the pearl ones, on ebay - they weighed nearly 2
pounds! They're nearly all glass or stone now - picked up two long strings
of coloured agate beads in a charity shop last week for less than a pound
each.

I used to keep them in a box and loved to run my fingers through them and
take out individuals for examination. Now they're sorted into the
compartments of three floss boxes by colour. Much easier to find what I want
for spangling, but I'll never have enough bobbins use them all. It's still
quite satisfying to examine and admire the beads in one colour compartment
though. The there are the small tins of sequins and jewels (cut glass,
silver or gold backed).

And to DH's question Don't you think you've got enough beads now?, the
answer's No!

Jean in Poole

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Broken Threads?

2004-03-25 Thread Scotlace
Jacquie

i read your comments about winding z threads and considered how I wind my 
bobbins.  In fact. I wind mine anti clockwise as that's one of the things I do 
lefthanded.  Which strengthens the theory it is something in the dye which 
weakens threads.

Patricia in Wales
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[lace-chat] Lacemakers T-shirt idea

2004-03-25 Thread Pene Piip
Hi Fellow-Arachneans,

I was looking at a catalog which sells T-shirts with funny sayings
 one was printed with a fish and had the following also on the shirt:
Give a man a fish
and he has food for a day.
[Picture of a fish is here]
Teach a man to fish
and he has to buy bamboo rods,
graphite reels, monofilament lines,
neoprene waders, creels,
tackle-boxes, lures, flies,
spinners, worm rigs, slip sinkers,
offset hooks, gore-tex hats,
20 pocket vests, fish finders, depth
sounders, radar, boats, trailers,
global positioning systems,
coolers and six-packs.
My idea was for a T-shirt that says something like:

Give a person a piece of lace
and they will .
[enlarged length of lace inserted here]
Teach a person to make lace
and they need to buy a lace pillow, pins,
a pin-cushion, a dozen bobbins, a pricker,
cotton thread, cover cloths, lace books,
linen thread, a few more bobbins, scissors,
lace patterns, and of course more bobbins.
What would you say for the ending of the first sentence?
And is there anything you would add to the list of things needed?
Maybe someone might even put it into production?

Penelope Piip
originally from Sydney, Australia,
now a resident of Groton, MA, USA.
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Re: [lace-chat] Lacemakers T-shirt idea

2004-03-25 Thread wally
I like this!  LOL!!!

 My idea was for a T-shirt that says something like:
 
 Give a person a piece of lace
 and they will .

treasure a heirloom


 [enlarged length of lace inserted here]
 Teach a person to make lace
 and they need to buy a lace pillow, pins,
 a pin-cushion, a dozen bobbins, a pricker,
 cotton thread, cover cloths, lace books,
 linen thread, a few more bobbins, scissors,
 lace patterns, and of course more bobbins.

 And is there anything you would add to the list of things needed?

What about chocolate?  *VBG*  and for us tatters, shuttles, beads,
charms, ribbons, picot gauges, rulers, thread heaven, shuttle winder,
and more shuttles

 
 Maybe someone might even put it into production?

That makes me think but I want to avoid more troubles.  ;-)


Wally
http://needles-n-shuttles.com
http://tat-along.tripod.com
http://frivolite.needles-n-shuttles.com
http://needledreams.tripod.com

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[lace-chat] Button boxes...

2004-03-25 Thread Westland District Library
I have my mother's button box - a round metal container which has all sorts 
of odd buttons in it, like metal buttons which look as if they have come 
from military uniforms, and the sort which attached temporarily, with 
clips, like the old ones used on nurses' uniforms.  Most of Mother's 
buttons either are, or match, blue (her favourite colour)...  a lovely 
memory of her.

Some years ago, I took all the mother-of-pearl buttons out of the box, and 
put them into a plastic jar - this has now grown into a jar and a couple of 
tins, as I add more doll-sized buttons.

When I started knitting doll clothes, I bought tiny buttons wherever I 
could, and always bought more than I could use.  These I filed in flat 
plastic cheeseboxes with clear lids, which pile up conveniently.  Now, with 
our town's only haberdashery shop closed, I am more than grateful for my 
'pack-rat' tendencies, as I can nearly always find buttons to match the 
wool I'm using!

Erica, in autumnal Hokitika, New Zealand, where the days are colder, but 
the weather can't seem to make up its mind...


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[lace-chat] :-) The Sunday school class

2004-03-25 Thread Jean Nathan
 Subject: Fw: Sunday school class




  While they were taking up the collection, John leaned forward and said,
Hey, Marie, how about you and me go to dinner next Friday?

  Why, yes, John, that would be nice, said Marie.

  Well, John couldn't believe his luck. All week long he polished up his
car, and on Friday he picked up Marie and took her to dinner, the finest
restaurant in Raleigh.  When they sat down, John looked over at Marie said,
Hey, Marie, would you like a cocktail before dinner?

  Oh, no, John, said Marie. What would I tell my Sunday School class?

  Well, John was set back a bit, so he didn't say much until after dinner.
Then he reached in his pocket and pulled out a pack of cigarettes. Hey,
Marie, said John, would you like a smoke?

  Oh, no, John, said Marie. What would I tell my Sunday School class?

  Well, John was feeling pretty low after that, so he just got in his car
and was driving Marie home when they passed the Holiday Inn.  He'd struck
out twice already, so he figured he had nothing to lose.

  Hey, Marie, said John, how would you like to stop at this motel with
me?

  Sure, John, that would be nice, said Marie.

  Well, John couldn't believe his luck. He did a U-turn right then and there
across the median and everything, and drove back to the motel and checked in
with Marie.

  The next morning John got up first.  He looked at Marie lying there in the
bed.

  What have I done? What have I done? thought John.

  He shook Marie and she woke up. Marie, I've got to ask you one thing,
said John. What are you going to tell your Sunday School class?

  Marie said, The same thing I always tell them . . 'You don't have
to smoke and drink to have a good time!' 

Jean in Poole

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[lace-chat] lace in hospital - and my pathology report

2004-03-25 Thread Haddad
Hi all -

I wanted to wait until I had the pathology report on my endometrial cancer
before reporting back to you, and thanking everyone for thoughts and
prayers.

The surgery (March 10) went well - I had it my way (spinal as opposed
general anesthesia). I'm recuperating well - and the pathology showed that
the cancer had gone up to half way into the muscle wall.  So I'm feeling
very happy about it all.

I did take lace to the hospital with me, but had made a makeshift pillow out
of a (too) small piece of styrofoam wrapped with a piece of heavy cotton.
Bobbins were not wound ahead of time, and I found the whole exercise too
frustrating.  So I did some crochet (I don't tat, Noelene!), and read and
did some logic puzzles.  Keeping watch over the old dears in my ward kept me
out of mischief, too. I'm as good as 60, and was the youngest by 20 years!

All that is behind me - now I wait to see if the Cancer Centre will interest
itself in my case. And since we are planning a family reunion of my
husband's siblings in July, out comes my proper pillow, and back to making
bookmarks!

Again, thanx to everyone who thought about me and prayed for me. Bless you
all!

Rose-Marie
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Abbtotsford, BC, Canada

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[lace-chat] :-) A new form of birth control

2004-03-25 Thread Jean Nathan
 After having their 11th child, an Alabama couple decided that was
enough, as they could not afford a larger bed. So the husband went
to his veterinarian and told him that he and his cousin didn't want to
have any more children.
The doctor told him that there was a procedure called a vasectomy
that could fix the problem but that it was expensive. A less costly
alternative, said the doctor, was to go home, get a cherry bomb,
(fireworks are legal in Alabama) light it, put it in a beer can,
then hold the can up to his ear and count to 10.
The Alabamian said to the doctor, I may not be the smartest man in
the world, but I don't see how putting a cherry bomb in a beer can
next to my ear is going to help me. Trust me, said the doctor.
So the man went home, lit a cherry bomb and put it in a beer can.
He held the can up to his ear and began to count:1, 2, 3, 4, 5...
At which point he paused, placed the beer can between his legs, and
resumed counting on his other hand.
This procedure also works in Kentucky, Mississippi, parts of
Virginia, both Carolinas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and West Virginia. 

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace-chat] lace in hospital - and my pathology report

2004-03-25 Thread TwoHappyBees
Dear Rose-Marie  list, 

So glad to hear you are on the mend and that you feel good about your 
pathology report.  Continued best wishes for a speedy recovery  future good health.
Also, many thanks to all for the kind messages I received both on  off-list. 
 It is definitely good therapy to have such a great group out there cheering 
you on.   

Vicki in Maryland  

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[lace-chat] Re: Lacemakers T-shirt idea

2004-03-25 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Mar 25, 2004, at 15:30, Pene Piip wrote:

My idea was for a T-shirt that says something like:

Give a person a piece of lace
and they will .
Stash it in a drawer?

-
Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/
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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Testing, testing

2004-03-25 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Since the Programmers or Killers test was so popular, here's two 
more... :) Both are aimed at US audience, but I thought they might be 
amusing to soem others as well.

Apologies to both sources, but it seemed easier to bundle the two, so 
each of you will get something old and something new...

From: R.P.
This is fun (and infuriating) if you have a few spare minutes...
http://www.madblast.com/funflash/swf/map_test.swf
Failed this one dismally... :)

From: C.B.
Here's a list of mind teasers...  some of it won't make sense to 
non-US people, but it was fun to take!  I got 18.
Considering...
That the Brothers Grimm version (the one I grew up with, rather than 
the Disney one) says 7 dwarfs without naming a single one... That a 
standard pack of matches is an imprecise term (I use a box of wooden 
ones, and --correctly -- rememberred there are 32. Reason I remembered 
is that I thought it a rip-off; there are *50* in a Polish matchbox 
g)... That I'm almost phobic about using the phone, don't watch TV 
and don't listen to the radio... That I don't like hot-dogs even 
without buns and don't buy them... In short, that I'm still very much a 
Yankee at King Arthur's Court, even after 30yrs here...  And that I 
must be a *universal* oddball -- #7 was the wrong answer for me; I 
checked afterwards... I'd done good, with 15 correct answers. The one I 
missed and cannot forgive myself for missing is the one about a dollar 
bill; you'd think, with my ingrained tight-fistedness, I'd know it by 
heart, but *noo*; instead, I've been thinking in nickel and dimes 
terms... :)

So, see how well you do... The *average* is supposed to be 7 correct 
answers; must be those lowered standards we keep hearing about, that's 
supposed to make us feel better about our achievements.  Unless, of 
course, 95% of the test takers are not in the US... :)

Mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. No cheating! No looking around! No 
using anything on or in your desk or computer!

Can you beat 17?? (The average is 7) Write down your answers and check 
answers (on the bottom) AFTER completing all the questions. REMEMBER- 
NO CHEATING!!!

LET'S JUST SEE HOW OBSERVANT YOU REALLY ARE.

1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on
the top or bottom?
2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
people don't know)
3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's torch?

4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's soup label?

5. What two letters don't appear on the telephone dial? (No cheating!)

6. What two numbers on the telephone dial don't have letters by them?

7. When you walk does your left arm swing w/your right or left leg?

8. How many matches are in a standard pack?

9. On the United States flag is the top stripe red or white?

10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial?

11. Which way does water go down the drain, counter or
clockwise?
12. Which way does a no smoking sign's slash run?

13. How many channels on a VHF TV dial?

14. Which side of a women's blouse are the buttons on?

15. On a NY license plate, is New York on the top or bottom?

16. Which way do fans rotate?

17. Whose face is on a dime?

18. How many sides does a stop sign have?

19. Do books have even-numbered pages on the right or left
side?
20. How many lug nuts are on a standard car wheel?

21. How many sides are there on a standard pencil?

22. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc. Who's
missing?
23. How many hot dog buns are in a standard package?

24. On which playing card is the card maker's trademark?

25. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord that adjusts the
opening between the slats?
26. On the back of a $1 bill, what is in the center?

27. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone phone. What 2 symbols bear no 
digits?

28. How many curves are there in the standard paper clip?

29. Does a merry-go-round turn counter or clockwise?

**
Don't look at answers below until you complete all the
questions
1. Bottom

2. 50 (please tell me you got this one!)

3. Right

4. Blue, red, white, yellow, black,  gold

5. Q, Z

6. 1, 0

7. Right

8. 20

9. Red

10. 88

11. Counter (north of the equator)

12. Towards bottom right

13. 12 (no #1)

14. Left

15. Top

16. Clockwise as you look at it

17. Roosevelt

18. 8

19. Left

20. 5

21. 6

22. Bashful

23. 8

24. Ace of spades

25. Left

26. ONE

27. *, #

28. 3

29. Counter
-
Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/
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