Re: [lace] lace-exhibition and new website
Hi Liduina and All, What a lovely site. I have only just now had time to take a proper look at it. There was a lovely surprise waiting fro me as well. In the Vitrine which is in the Hotel de Ville I recognised my design for the Christmas candles. What a thrill. It is well worth sending patterns to magazines, when you find that at least one other lacemaker thinks your pattern worth recreating. Thank you. Jean in Cleveland U.K. On 16 May 2004, at 07:28, Liduina wrote: Hello everyone, Our lace group celebrated his 20th anniversary last week and on this occasion we had a lace exhibition. We also opened a little website to present our group, which sort of lace we make, our activities and the history of lace in our town (Ath in Belgium), it's only in french but there are also many pictures. The pictures of our exhibition also are on the site : www.athdentelle.be . It's the very beginning of the site and we have to add some more informations on it, so we'd be very pleased if you have some advices to ameliorate it. Liduina from a sunny Ath in Belgium. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Brok 36/2 thread comparison
Hi all, I will be doing the Springett torchon fan and it calls for 36/2 Brok thread and also Gold Dust(not sure what that is other than a metallic). I don't have the Brok or Gold Dust and would like to find the equivalent. I do have Tanne size 30 and 50 and Egyptian Cotton size 60/2. And in my tatting thread stash I have TONS of size 70-80 tatting cotton and also some finer threads like Corona Cotton size 100 and 160(very strong cotton cord perfect for tatting). I still have a long way to go to build up my BLacing thread stash. Just doesn't seem to overlap my tatting thread stash LOL! Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Happy Lacing! Mark, aka Tatman www.tat-man.net Greenville, IL USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Brok 36/2 thread comparison
According to Brenda's book the following are similar to Brok - i.e. 32wraps/cm Fresia 100/2 Barbour Campbell Irish linen lace thread 130 Knox's Falcon 70 Amann Coats sylko 50 Best Linen lace thread no70 Colcoton 70/2 Czech sewing thread, Triana DMC Cordonnet 100 DMC Broder machine 30 DMC Turbino Tissus legers Eagley sewing machine thread Art no K125 Filato per Tombola di Cantu 40 Mettler Stickgarn 30 Molnyloke cotton (white reel for sewing machine) Radix mercerised no 50 De Vere gassed cotton 40/2 Goldrush + 12wraps/cm Madeira metallic no 3 Madeira glamour no 8 Kreinik Japan no 7 Twilleys gold dust 20 Hope this helps Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lacemaking supplies - for tape lace addicts
Following on from my response to Sulochona's query as to who was Tom in Belgium, I had the following reply from him - confirming they still sell the tapes, but not shown on their website. I cannot say I have come across any other suppliers of black tape, and the black tape I bought some seven years ago was fine enough for Branscombe. --- Forwarded message follows --- In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Deleenheer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Dear Jane, Thank you for your e-mail. We indeed still sell the lace tapes in all sizes and colors. Basically, we call the battenberg lace tape. They come in white, cream and black. Also gold and silver are available. They are not on thje website anymore, though. Please let me know what you need. Best regards, Tom ___ Sequoia Enterprises : Belgian Lace, Tapestries Home Decor Daal 32 B, 9450 Denderhoutem, Belgium Tel : ++ 32.(0)53.848680 Fax : ++ 32.(0)53.848661 www.belgian-lace.com www.belgiantapestries.com www.european-decor.com e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Brok 36/2 thread comparison
Mark Brok 36/2 is just about mid way between the two sizes of Tanne that you have. Egyptian cotton 60/2 is very similar to the Tanne 50. The tatting cottons are marginally thicker, but if they are double spun (DMC Special Dentelles etc) the lace will be crisper and won't fold so well as with Brok. Twilley's Gold Dust is a thick metallic thread - the type that is made like a very long length of crochet chain (US single crochet?). If you pull at the end it will unravel. Brenda On 18 May 2004, at 17:29, Mark, aka Tatman wrote: I will be doing the Springett torchon fan and it calls for 36/2 Brok thread and also Gold Dust(not sure what that is other than a metallic). I don't have the Brok or Gold Dust and would like to find the equivalent. I do have Tanne size 30 and 50 and Egyptian Cotton size 60/2. And in my tatting thread stash I have TONS of size 70-80 tatting cotton and also some finer threads like Corona Cotton size 100 and 160(very strong cotton cord perfect for tatting). I still have a long way to go to build up my BLacing thread stash. Just doesn't seem to overlap my tatting thread stash LOL! Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] lace exhibition and strange tool
T. wrote Like Lorri (Ferguson), I'm burning to know what the strange instrument(tool?) of Dominique's (in the Dentelieres section) is; it looks like *nothing* I've ever seen before in connection with BL... There seems to be no pricking and no pillow at all; just a tube with lots and lots of bobbins hanging from it. B. thinks the lacemaker is making a 3D lace and the tube is the pillow ;) Ambitious isn't it! and delicate. bye for now Bev on a sunny day in Sooke BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Brok 36/2 thread comparison
Thank you all that made suggestions on what to use. Will come in handy for other thread comparisons as well. This group is GREAT!! and fast with the responses ;) Mark, aka Tatman www.tat-man.net Greenville, IL USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Brok 36/2 thread comparison
I know I need Brenda's book, but as I am just starting the book list is really long. How does Brok 36/2 compare to Brokman's 35/3? I know we are dealing with 2 ply vs. 3 ply, but are they close in size? Thanks ever so much guys, Cinde - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] thread
Hi Mark, From the list that Patricia sent to Arachne you may not know that Mettler Stickgarn 30 is available in some fabric shops, try quilting shops if your local store does not stock it. There is a mass of colors available and also different sizes. Some of thre thread is silk covered and has a nice sheen. Make sure you check for 30 or 60 on the tube. Hobby Lobby and Michaels might have the Krienek or if you have an embroidery shop nearby try them for the glittery stuff, or even a shop that sells sewing machines have all sorts of thread these days for the embroidery machines. Hope you can find something local instead of having to mail order. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Brok 36/2 thread comparison
Yep, Bockens, I oopsed! Thanks again, Cinde - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lFantasy Flowers
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:19:17 +1000 From: W N Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Fantasy flowers Just heard Rosemary Shepherd is away overseas for three months, so will not be answering mail direct. If anyone wants a copy of Fantasy Flowers, I know for sure Margaret at Kiparra (phone 02 4578 1578) has a stock of them in case anyone wants one before Rosemary gets back. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ Hello Noelene and all, I had a look at Rosemary's web site and her new book. The flowers remind me of Jana Novak's book Fri Knipling particularly the Five petals and Hearflower - these are not even adaptations. Rosemary's other flowers closely resemble Jana Novak's flowers and I would say are adaptations. We had a great debate what an adaptation is and came up with a guideline for lacemakers - in bobbin lace an acceptable adaptation requires a significant alteration to the design. Whilst many people respect the original designers sadly some people don't. I think that we have to be fair to people who come up with great ideas originally. If we wish to change or adapt the pattern we should acknowledge the original designer ie - adapted by ...from the original design by Rosemary does the Fantasy Flowers workshops. I attended one and was surprised than how closely the flowers resembled Jana's flowers. I do not know if Rosemary has permission from Jana to use her flowers for teaching purposes but publishing a book is another story. I do not like to spoil the excitement but we need to support the original designers so they keep keeping on and produce more great patterns for us to use. Karolina Jeffers Three times Proficiency qualified teacher From sunny Melbourne where winter is knocking on our door. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] eye candy - antique clothes
If you like to browse antique clothes -- many with lace on them -- take a look at this webpage: http://www.bobbydene.com/ Have fun, Alice in Oregon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Fantasy Flowers
On May 18, 2004, at 23:18, Karolina Jeffers (do we have another Pole here? g) wrote: I had a look at Rosemary's web site and her new book. The flowers remind me of Jana Novak's book Fri Knipling particularly the Five petals and Hearflower - these are not even adaptations. Rosemary's other flowers closely resemble Jana Novak's flowers and I would say are adaptations. We had a great debate what an adaptation is and came up with a guideline for lacemakers - in bobbin lace an acceptable adaptation requires a significant alteration to the design. Whilst many people respect the original designers sadly some people don't. I think that we have to be fair to people who come up with great ideas originally. If we wish to change or adapt the pattern we should acknowledge the original designer ie - adapted by ...from the original design by I agree 100% (being a bit of a designer myself). But I'm also aware that there's another factor... Some people seem to design the exactly same thing, at almost exactly the same time, for all they're continents apart... Serendipity (though Deborah Robinson, the Editor of Lace, had a better term for it. If only I could remember in which issue, or what the term was... g Something to do with the pool of underlying pool of human knowledge...) We all tend to re-invent, unwittingly, the wheel once in a while, especially if we practice our lacemaking in -- more-or-less -- isolation... As is common in very large countries, and/or where people make lace for pleasure not for profit. So, maybe, that's what's happened here too, and it's a case of not proven rather than guilty... :) I don't design in Torchon (where un-intentional duplication is almost inevitable) but, even so, with every pattern I send out for publication, I agonize: *has* someone else come up with something, so very similiar as to make my own pattern a plagiarism, *before* I had? I don't own all the lacemaking books/magazines which had been published over the many years (and, even if I had, I might forget I'd seen something similiar before)... Rosemary does the Fantasy Flowers workshops. I attended one and was surprised than how closely the flowers resembled Jana's flowers. Did you mention it to her at the time? What did she say? I've never seen Jana Novak's book myself, so, to me, Rosemary's Fantasy Flowers were brand new (and I've marked it as something I'd like to own one day, if only to look at, digest and, possibly, take into another direction)... I agree, someone publishing (a pattern, a book) or teaching a workshop should not use another person's patterns without an acknowledgment *and* the original designer's permission... But... *What* if it's done without any ill-intent? --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: lFantasy Flowers
I'm not able to comment on these opinions, as I'm not familiar with either book - but I do think it is most unfair to make accusations like this when Rosemary is out of the country and can't defend herself. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) Karolina Jeffers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a look at Rosemary's web site and her new book. The flowers remind me of Jana Novak's book Fri Knipling particularly the Five petals and Hearflower - these are not even adaptations. Rosemary's other flowers closely resemble Jana Novak's flowers and I would say are adaptations... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Help - What's an ISDN Device?
I deleted what I thought were some unnecessary shortcuts on the desktop and now every time I switch the computer on a warning message pops up telling me I need to install an ISDN device and run the configuration wizard. I'm hoping that one of you experts can tell me how. Very grateful for any help. Joan from Yorkshire To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil (fwd)
In a message dated 18/05/2004 05:31:36 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.anvari.org/fun/Gender/Proof_that_Girls_are_Evil.html --- Tamara P Duvallhttp://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Being a mathematician - I am sorry to say that the mathematical equations are absolutely correct and that it does appear that I am evil. Thanks alot Tamara! Regards Liz Beecher I'm blogging now - see what it's all about To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace-chat] :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil
The quote 'Money is the root of all evil' is incorrect, if that helps. The actual quote says that 'the love of money is the root of all evil' Then the initial supposition is not always correct - with the right man, money is not necessary, just a bonus! Sue - Original Message - Math's not my strong point, so I'm can't refute this myself, much as I would like to; hope someone else will be able to do it for me. All *I* can do is object to the + (plus) looking like an x (times)... http://www.anvari.org/fun/Gender/Proof_that_Girls_are_Evil.html To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil (fwd)
Well, dear one, you may rest that objection. The formula requires it to be a X, not a plus. The way we know that is the line, money times money equals money squared The next line says, money is the (square) root of (all) evil and therefore... etc., etc. Clay - Original Message - From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: chat Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil (fwd) Math's not my strong point, so I'm can't refute this myself, much as I would like to; hope someone else will be able to do it for me. All *I* can do is object to the + (plus) looking like an x (times)... From: D.D. http://www.anvari.org/fun/Gender/Proof_that_Girls_are_Evil.html --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil (fwd)
On May 18, 2004, at 9:00, Clay Blackwell wrote: Well, dear one, you may rest that objection. The formula requires it to be a X, not a plus. The way we know that is the line, money times money equals money squared My objection is to the first x, which *should have been* a +... I quote from the site: First we state that girls that girls require time *and* money. Girls=Time x Money. Last I heard, and meant plus, not times. So, time and money should have been written out as Time + Money. The rest of the proof falls flat on its face because, as Robin Panza said (she's not on chat, sent the message privately): Money + Money = double money, not money squared. So the initial equation is incorrect--it says Girls are time times money, not Girls require time and money. So, OK. We *start* with a sloppily written equation (never mind the - rather dubious - supposition that *girls* require time and money. And boys don't?). We follow it up with another blooper. As Sue Babbs pointed out: The quote 'Money is the root of all evil' is incorrect, if that helps. The actual quote says that 'the love of money is the root of all evil' So, the proof is invalid on *two* counts, not just one :) Yet... Weronika Patena (a student at Cal Tech) wrote: Not refutable, other than the absolute value comment someone already added on the same page. Which, by the way, means that either girls = evil or girls = -evil, so it's not that bad g And Liz Beecher wrote: Being a mathematician - I am sorry to say that the mathematical equations are absolutely correct and that it does appear that I am evil. Seems to me, if you include my own objection to a wrong sign being used, it's: Language Arts: 3, Mathematics: 0. g Robin, who spotted the mistake in translation (from English to math language), is a scientist herself, but of the generation somewhat closer to me in age than either Liz or Weronika. I am a little disturbed that the young ones are so careless of context, so willing to focus narrowly... Robin throws in another interesting equation (philosophical, this time g): [...] anything we value requires time and money, so everything of value is evil. I'd put either, rather than and between time and money but, otherwise... Food for thought, I think. http://www.anvari.org/fun/Gender/Proof_that_Girls_are_Evil.html --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil (fwd)
My objection is to the first x, which *should have been* a +... I quote from the site: First we state that girls that girls require time *and* money. Girls=Time x Money. Last I heard, and meant plus, not times. So, time and money should have been written out as Time + Money. The rest of the proof falls flat on its face because, as Robin Panza said (she's not on chat, sent the message privately): Actually in math and is times and or is plus. The quote 'Money is the root of all evil' is incorrect, if that helps. The actual quote says that 'the love of money is the root of all evil' I don't know, I always heard the version without love. Weronika Patena (a student at Cal Tech) wrote: Not refutable, other than the absolute value comment someone already added on the same page. Which, by the way, means that either girls = evil or girls = -evil, so it's not that bad g And Liz Beecher wrote: Being a mathematician - I am sorry to say that the mathematical equations are absolutely correct and that it does appear that I am evil. Seems to me, if you include my own objection to a wrong sign being used, it's: Language Arts: 3, Mathematics: 0. g Robin, who spotted the mistake in translation (from English to math language), is a scientist herself, but of the generation somewhat closer to me in age than either Liz or Weronika. I am a little disturbed that the young ones are so careless of context, so willing to focus narrowly... Math will do that to you g. Robin throws in another interesting equation (philosophical, this time g): [...] anything we value requires time and money, so everything of value is evil. Of course g Weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil (fwd)
On May 18, 2004, at 20:53, Weronika Patena wrote: Actually in math and is times and or is plus. In my school days (40+ yrs ago), and was +, times was x, and or, being very indefinite, belonged not to mathemathics, but to philosophy (and to history, and to daily budgeting g) The quote 'Money is the root of all evil' is incorrect, if that helps. The actual quote says that 'the love of money is the root of all evil' I don't know, I always heard the version without love. Very few of us read The right stuff at all, much less read it carefully these days; we're in too much of a hurry... I myself knew the original quote, but didn't think to question the one supplied, as that's the one in common circulation --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: :) Fwd: proof that girls are evil (fwd)
Actually in math and is times and or is plus. In my school days (40+ yrs ago), and was +, times was x, and or, being very indefinite, belonged not to mathemathics, but to philosophy (and to history, and to daily budgeting g) Ah, right, I didn't go to school in the US, so I missed this one. But in math fields like logic and is multiplication and or is addition, because 1 or 0 is 1 just like 1+0, and both 1 and 0 and 1*0 are 0. I don't know, I always heard the version without love. Very few of us read The right stuff at all, much less read it carefully these days; we're in too much of a hurry... I myself knew the original quote, but didn't think to question the one supplied, as that's the one in common circulation I must say the original version makes much more sense than the common one. There's nothing wrong with money, really. You can buy bobbins with it g. Weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
