[lace] RE: That table ribbon
Hello everyone. I have read over the various posts on the table ribbon contest. I don't usually, post much, but I was concerned about some posts discouraging negative comments. Several have talked about the negative comments, as well as the power we have and how it influences. I believe there is power in words. But there is also power and creativity in expressing our true feelings. Expressing true feelings is accepted if the feelings are positive, but often frowned upon if negative. Just because they are negative doesn't make them less real. Someone (I appologize I didn't get the name) remarked that we often gain a positive by looking at the negative. From what I read, most negative comments were combined with positives or lead to a better understanding for all because someone persued them to a conclusion. I lurk on Archane and I was not offended by the comments made here. They certainly reflected the feel of the room at the convention when the new contest was announced. Some of us ( my self included) are just disappointed at the size, because we are unsure we can create such a piece in only a year. That feeling will lead to one of two things: giving up because the goal is too high. Or a wonderful opportunity to create that piece that has been on your mind, but you would never have considered starting it becuase it was just too much. Now you have a challenge to accept or decline. We need a forum to express our doubts in the project, our abilities to accomplish it, and most of all to recieve encouragement and guideance. If we limit what we have to say to only the positive aspects, we are not being honest with ourselves or our human nature, and we loose the whole forum of ideas quality that is so wonderful about Archane. I do feel we should always make a soul search for the good and the bad and express all of our feelings with equalality. I am still considering doing a piece, even though I will probably never be able to finish it in time, I wasn't even going to try, but after reading the posts I am more fired up and ready to work on this than ever. So Please remember, if I had not read of the doubts running through everyone's minds I would not have considered even attempting this. I would have just racked my doubts up to new lace maker syndromn and never have even drawn the first draft. Becasue it is so difficult to communicate in posts and I am not always as clear as I would like to be, let me say this. I hope my comments are not in any way insulting. I do not mean them to be. I understand that the message board is not often full of negative comments, but some times it is right to address the negative side of something, If we all are aware of the need to find positive and to monitor for chronic negativism, there should be no reason to worry because people are expressing their true feelings about a topic. Now back to planning that Ribbon (draft two!). Ronna in Omaha __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
Barbara Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which, I had the pleasure of demonstrating bobbin lace at the Evergreen State Fair in Washington today, my first experience demonstrating bobbin lace. My goodness, if I had a nickel for everyone who said I was tatting, it would have paid for my lunch! I think it was someone on Arachne who blamed this on crossword puzzles, where the clue To make lace always seems to be filled in with tat. We did the opposite, demonstrating mostly-tatting at the Michigan Fiber Festival a week and a half ago, and we do occasionally get Oh, look, bobbin lace! My grandmother had one of those 'tatting bobbins'. This year one member brought a bobbin lace pillow, and there was another demonstration set up by a second group with a lace pillow, so we could easily point out the differences. Usually the top comments we get are Oh, my grandmother/great aunt used to tat! followed by But I never learned. And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. (This from people who will sit -- patiently? -- at a spinning wheel or weaving loom for hour after hour.) I usually say with a smile, I don't know if it's patience so much as obsession! Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 2006 Convention
Tamara wrote: You don't know the *half*... But you will; I told Debra to get *you* to tighten up my longwinded re-write of the rules ... :) I can see that the first rule of volunteer organizations is being applied here, If you complain about something, you get the job of fixing it. I try never to complain about something unless it is very clear that I would be unable to fix it. The last thing I complained about was the lack of publicity for the New Jersey Convention. As you may recall, I was made Publicity Chairman. Tamara wrote: Before I could google-locate and mail-order the necessary tools (including the calipers - like everything else connected to *hand* manipulation, they're getting harder and harder to find), I was going to suggest starting with the scientific company that Ulrike has us get the teeny, tiny insect pins from. Perhaps they have teeny, tiny calipers. Tamara wrote: And I hope that my negative comments will have been productive enough, in the long run, to make the rules of the contest easier to understand for everyone, so that you can enter the competition without making life difficult for the organisers by flooding them with questions, or feel hurt when your entries are rejected for some - obscure - reason, because of a misunderstanding... One thing I learned in my brief stint as Publicity Chairman is there is no such thing as bad publicity. I think that the contest organizers owe you a debt of gratitude for creating a controversy out of their contest and thus drawing attention to it. I would almost suspect that Contest Chairman Debra Jenny put you up to it. Except that I know she didn't because she asked me to talk it up. Here was I, at a total loss, wondering how to draw attention to this contest. On the floor of my office lie crumpled pieces of paper with my rejected ideas for stirring up interest. One says, Big Foot always uses a table ribbon when he entertains his relatives. Another says, Underneath Roslyn Chapel, hidden by the Knights Templar, is the table ribbon used at the Last Supper... But never did I have the breathtaking imagination to posit that there might be a shadowy figure north of the border, possibly with a German accent, who had defied the laws of physics, and the principles of lace, by contriving a perfectly flat table decoration and was now seeking to corrupt the 2006 contest of the International Old Lacers, seizing the coveted title of first place winner, in a sordid affair reminiscent of the 1918 World Series scandal. Not since my days at OSU when the beloved mascot, the Buckeye, was kidnapped and held for ransom and we all waited with baited breath to see if there would be enough signatures demanding his release to free him, have I been so caught up. :-) Devon totally focused on the minutiae of the Table Ribbon contest in New Jersey - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
Hi Lynn, You said: We did the opposite, demonstrating mostly-tatting at the Michigan Fiber Festival a week and a half ago, and we do occasionally get Oh, look, bobbin lace! My grandmother had one of those 'tatting bobbins'. I was at the Michigan Fiber Festival on Sunday and visited your booth. You have a lovely, informative display. Thanks for going the extra mile. Keep up the good work! Susie Johnson Morris Illinois [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
I would never have the patience to do something like that. This is one of the most common comments, in response to which I usually either ask what their hobbies are (if they have any at all) or ask them if they knit. I then say I don't have the patience to do plain knitting (that's what my machines are for) so if I hand knit it has to be fairisle or cable or lace, and even then I find it boring compared to bobbin lace. But one of the most unbelievable comments I ever heard was when I was demonstrating solo, but with a steady stream of children working on 'the snake'. A Mum came by with two little girls in the 6 to 9 age range, who both wanted to see what I was doing. She caught hold of their hands and dragged them away with the memorable explanation You wouldn't be interested in that - it *takes time* I wonder what that family did with their time that it was too precious to do crafts with some of it. Watch television? Play computer games? Retail therapy? Well, not expand their children's knowledge of what goes on in the wider world, that's for sure. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ruskin Quote
In a message dated 8/31/05 12:29:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can someone find it for me, in full, pretty please? Date and source (publication) gratefully accepted :) Thanks for pointing me/us in this direction, Tamara... Excerpt The real good of a piece of lace, then, you will find, is that it should show, first, that the designer of it had a pretty fancy; next, that the maker of it had fine fingers; lastly, that the wearer of it has worthiness or dignity enough to obtain what is difficult to obtain, and common sense enough not to wear it on all occasions. John Ruskin, A Joy Forever (1857) Dear Lacemakers, The quote also appears in a 20th C. book (post-1857) some Arachnes may own, Ruskin Lace Linen Work by Elizabeth Prickett, originally published by Batsford, 1985. May still be available from Dover, paperbound, 0-486-25291-4, originally $6.95. Lacemakers who favor needlelaces would enjoy the book. The work is a combination of drawn thread, cut linen, and needlepoint lace. Reminds of Reticella. I once spent a week in the Lake District of England with Elizabeth Prickett as tour hostess - visiting all the lace and embroidery sites in the area, Wordsworth and Ruskin homes, etc. A rare and wonderful experience to savor in old age. Truly one of the most beautiful regions in England. One panoramic scene (combined with silence, sunshine, pleasant temperature, fresh air and breeze) was so beautiful that I thought This must be what Heaven is like. No wonder such beautiful poetry was written in the Lake District. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. My answer - You learn the patience when you learn the lace! Liz Pass (in Poole) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] post Katrina - waiting for news
In a message dated 8/30/05 10:01:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've officially checked in with my employer (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers) and at this time am told to hold where I am - eventually I'll get an assignment. Doing something is better than sitting and wondering. I haven't been able to focus on my lace or the book I brought yet. I guess part of me thought we'd be able to pack up and head home today, but now it looks like next week will be the earliest. I have no idea what's left of my house. Since the news hasn't specifically talked about the suburb I live in, we're being optimistic that no news is good news. Beth McCasland Dear Beth in Louisiana, This is a time you will always remember. Always. May I suggest you set aside the project you will have difficulty concentrating on, but still make a small remembrance? Perhaps a heart that you can display always? Even from scrap(s) of fabric or ribbon. (A small heart pincushion in crazy patchwork of 4 pieces - representing the four Gulf states -- securly stitched together and trimmed with a piece of lace edging?) Embroider Katrina and date on the back. This may seem silly, but years from now, you may be happy to have such a keepsake as a symbol of this time in your life when the world around you needed to be dried out and stitched back together. Thank you for the work you will soon be doing to benefit your fellow citizens. Wishing you only good experiences, Jeri Ames in Maine USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
My answer is.. that you have to be curious and have lots of want-to. BarbE - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Pass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lynn Carpenter' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting! And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. My answer - You learn the patience when you learn the lace! Liz Pass (in Poole) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Eye candy for lace knitters
A few days late with a reply, but I'd like to thank Brenda for showing us these sites. A lot of beautiful pieces there. One in particular caught my eye. On the first page of the Michael Kaprelian site there is a hexagonal shaped doily that I'd like to get the pattern for (5th from the bottom.) I did a search and came up with this: http://melody.virelai.net/blog/c/archives/2005/07/07T152313 I was wondering if anyone here has the publication referred to and can tell me if the pattern is in there and possibly any contact info so I can try to find out if it's available. I could write to Michael, but there is no email address on his site, only a guest book. I will use that if I need to. BTW, as to my interest in that particular doily, I collect hexagonal shaped items. Buttons, beads, small(trinket) boxes, etc. Thanks, Debbie At 09:26 PM 08/28/2005 +0100, Brenda Paternoster wrote: Deaar Spiders I've recently learned of two websites with images of knitted lace: Michael Kaprelian http://www.angelfire.com/on2/fwlaceknitter/ Melanie Ellingson http://www.imageevent.com/melaniee Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
At 07:57 AM 8/31/2005, you wrote: And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. My answer - You learn the patience when you learn the lace! My answer - You only need patience when you have to do things you don't enjoy doing. I have to admit that I get some startled looks sometimes. Alice in Oregon -- getting ready for a full day of demo at state fair today with my friend who got Judges Choice for her tablecloth. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] That table ribbon
Dear Anne, I try to answer your questions but I myself haven't one. So I tell you what I saw by other lace friends. Mostly this runner is placed lengthwise in the middle of the table. Some let it lay during the meals others take it away and let it there only for decoration of the table. If the table is round there are often two of them crosswise. Sometimes these runners are as long as the tablecloth, sometimes only as long as the table itself, sometimes still shorter than the table. And what belongs candles or flowers every person did it as she wants. Find your own way to decorate it feel free to do as you want. But if you make one of yourself you should present the runner for itself. With other words you can do as you want. the first time I saw table runners nearly 50 years ago, there was only the table without cloth but one tablerunner under each plate, so in the middle was a little runner Mountain. Those were woven ones with the typical Swedish motivs and colors. In the sixties they were in fashion in Germany and coming from Danmark in the typical Danish colors and motives together with warmers for eggs. I still have some. I never asked if there are rules in Sweden or Danmark for the table runners but I have the opinion it up to every person. Hope I could answer all your questions. This contest intrigues me. I would love to create a piece of lace that is truly a feast for my mind's eye -- something that I could bring out with my other holiday decorations and that would come to mean Christmas (or whatever holiday) and that I could pass on to my son's future family for THEIR holiday tradition. Please do so and after the contest let us see in our arachne foto album, I am very curious. It's amusing I got about four ideas for this contest meanwhile I don't want a table runner, but it was the same with my lace scarf. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] post Katrina - waiting for news
Dear Beth, I am happy that you are safe and I hope you will find your house undamaged. All my best wishes for all who are concerned in this catastrophe. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] post Katrina - waiting for news
In a message dated 8/31/2005 10:40:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Beth, I am happy that you are safe and I hope you will find your house undamaged. All my best wishes for all who are concerned in this catastrophe. Greetings Ilske Amen to that! I hope (and assume) that Beth and any others who might be affected by this disaster are monitoring the news about the current evacuation of New Orleans before they attempt any return, and will be able to find temporary shelter and comforrt adequate to sustain them through this terrible time. I will be joining others in the Governors' request for a day of prayer today for those affected by this great tragedy. Prayers and sympathy from Ricki (and others) in Utah - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
Sorry I think I send it to the private adr. ! some remarks here in DK is its to difficult for me to learn I say it is easy if you can count to four, you can learn it, I can't count to four I say Then two, will do, so no exuse not to learn bobbin lace. Dorte in Denmark www.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dorte_zielke/my_photos - Original Message - From: Barb ETx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elizabeth Pass [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Lynn Carpenter' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting! My answer is.. that you have to be curious and have lots of want-to. BarbE - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Pass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lynn Carpenter' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting! And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. My answer - You learn the patience when you learn the lace! Liz Pass (in Poole) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31-08-2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] The Professor
It grieves me to have to report that the Professor has been taken ill in the last couple of weeks and has had to undergo surgery for cancer. I am sure that you will all be as concerned as I am. He is still in the hospital and unable to receive email, but I know that many of you will want to send him get-well messages. If you will send me your notes, I will gather them all up and send them to his wife so that she can print them out and take them to the hospital for him. I think this is the best way to let him know how much we all appreciate what he has done for us in the past few years. While I'm sure he will be laid up for a while to come (and no doubt champing at the bit to get back to work!), I have complete faith in his recovery and am taking this time to catch up on some of the scanning which has been piling up. But I thought you would all like to know... Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
I don't do much lace, lately, but I've heard that particular, disparaging comment for decades, and in reference to a variety of forms of needlework (quilting, monochrome embroidery, spinning, knitting). My mother was a great one for saying it (more in honest bewilderment than anything), but then, it's through her family that I inherited the ability to sit and concentrate on stuff, as well as the *need* to do it. Her father was a weaver in his spare time, and came from a family of weavers. It just skipped her part of the family gene pool. Skipped most (but not all) of my cousins, as well. I really do think it's either one of those things a person *gets*, or they just *don't get.* Which is what makes lists like this so wonderful, because it reminds me I'm not a lone, lost soul up here in NW Montana...there are others like me in just about every continent on the planet! ;-D --Sue (Montana, USA) Elizabeth Pass wrote: And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. My answer - You learn the patience when you learn the lace! Liz Pass (in Poole) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] The Professor
I am very distressed to hear that Professor Ralph Griswold, our Professor, has been so seriously ill. Although we know him as the wizard who has given us the Digital Archive of Documents Related to Lace and Weaving, those who have read his biography at _http://www.cs.arizona.edu/~ralph/index.html_ (http://www.cs.arizona.edu/~ralph/index.html) know that he has had a very distinguished career in the development of computer languages. It was our great good fortune when his interest in the mathematical aspects of weaving led him to institute the Digital Archive of Weaving. When Tess presented herself to him as a willing scanner of lace documents a great partnership was begun. Together they have taken a subject that had formerly been among to hardest to research and transformed it into one of the easiest to research by gathering all the obscure magazine articles and hard to find books together in one site. It has been our great good fortune to have him and his talents allied with our interests. I know others will join me in expressing the wish that the Professor will be feeling better soon. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
I don't consider that comment disparaging, unless perhaps it is self-depricating on the part of the speaker. When they say they think bobbin lace takes patience, I take it as a compliment. I do correct them, though, and let them know that (as Alice has already pointed out), it only takes patience if you don't enjoy it. One man yesterday was incredulous at that, and asked me flat out if I could say I really *enjoy* making bobbin lace. When I smiled broadly and insisted that it is great fun and one of my favorite activities, I think he was really impressed! Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA I don't do much lace, lately, but I've heard that particular, disparaging comment for decades, snip --Sue (Montana, USA) Elizabeth Pass wrote: And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. My answer - You learn the patience when you learn the lace! Liz Pass (in Poole) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
In a message dated 8/31/2005 12:37:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When they say they think bobbin lace takes patience, I take it as a compliment. I do correct them, though, and let them know that (as Alice has already pointed out), it only takes patience if you don't enjoy it. These comments remind me of others I've heard, whenever someone undertakes a long-term commitment, such as earning a degree, or learning any skill that takes time to execute and perfect. That is: Time is going to pass anyway - you might as well use it to accomplish something meaningful to you. It seems to me that virtually everything worth doing requires a lot in terms of time, patience, and commitment. Just my $.02 worth Regards, Ricki in Utah - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
I had the following comment at a demonstration this past July, My grandmother tatted, but she used a different thingy to do it. I had a shuttle and bit of tatting nearby to show her the difference. Then I got, Yes, that is the bobbin she used, but I like the way you tat with so many sticks. Go figure - This is a common exchange at most demonstrations. Different times, different people... Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann Rice in Roanoke, Virginia USA - Original Message - From: Lynn Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] We did the opposite, demonstrating mostly-tatting at the Michigan Fiber Festival a week and a half ago, and we do occasionally get Oh, look, bobbin lace! My grandmother had one of those 'tatting bobbins'. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Quebec websites
Thanks, Bev, for this information. No one yet had replied to my query. Pene At 07:54 AM 8/31/2005, you wrote: Hi Pene I'm not sure if anyone has responded to your question - I understand the websites will be up by December (I'm not even sure where I read this! maybe in the announcement they sent) hope this helps\ bev -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Professor
Tess, do you have a snail mail address for The Professor? That is a good way for his wife to receive messages and cards for him. I really do like to send cards by USPS. Thanks, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA - Original Message - From: Tess Parrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: [lace] The Professor It grieves me to have to report that the Professor has been taken ill in the last couple of weeks and has had to undergo surgery for cancer. I am sure that you will all be as concerned as I am. He is still in the hospital and unable to receive email, but I know that many of you will want to send him get-well messages. (snip) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
In a message dated 8/31/2005 1:08:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: had the following comment at a demonstration this past July, My grandmother tatted, but she used a different thingy to do it. I had a shuttle and bit of tatting nearby to show her the difference. Then I got, Yes, that is the bobbin she used, but I like the way you tat with so many sticks. Go figure - This is a common exchange at most demonstrations. Different times, different people... ::)) Makes me wonder, though -- IS there another verb to use besides making lace (when it isn't tatting, that is)? Lacing doesn't seem right! If not, maybe we need to invent a new verb, dust off an old one, or import one from another language! Ricki in Utah - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
From: Barbara Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do correct them, though, and let them know that (as Alice has alreadypointed out), it only takes patience if you don't enjoy it. One man yesterday was incredulous at that, and asked me flat out if I could say I really *enjoy* making bobbin lace. I like my friend's answer: No, weeding takes patience. Dusting takes patience. Washing dishes takes patience. Lacemaking is FUN! I point out that if it took patience, I couldn't do it--I have none. However, I don't mind the patience remark as much as, Oh, that's so tedious! By definition, it can't be tedious--tedious is when you're not having fun doing what you're doing. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Bobbin Lace - no, not tatting!
And then there is I would never have the patience to do something like that. My answer - You learn the patience when you learn the lace! My answer is: It doesn't take patience to do something you enjoy! Lorri - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: That table ribbon
Hmm... All this talking is starting to make me feel like trying this... Can people who aren't actually at the convention submit entries? I'd love to go, but I'm not sure I'll be able to, and it'd be pretty silly to make a table ribbon and then realize I can't use it. Weronika On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:40:55PM -0400, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:28, Ronna Bruce wrote: *Do* accept :) Even if you don't finish in time, you'll have had the thrill of *designing* - either from scratch, or by adapting an existing pattern so that it conforms to the specifics, but hardly resembles the original... ... Once you've decided on a design, an inch (linear, not square) *a week* should see you through it, with time to spare. If your design has a lot of empty spaces (lacy), that should be entirely do-able. Of course, you might have to get yourself a new pillow and bobbin set, all dedicated to the project, but, from all I've seen on the list, that's not supposed to be a *hardship*, but something to look forward to g Cheeze... If I keep on, I'll talk *myself* into this silly idea; I'd better quit right now... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Stanford, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Bobbin Lace/patience
On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacquie) wrote: [...] one of the most unbelievable comments I ever heard was when I was demonstrating solo, but with a steady stream of children working on 'the snake'. A Mum came by with two little girls in the 6 to 9 age range, who both wanted to see what I was doing. She caught hold of their hands and dragged them away with the memorable explanation You wouldn't be interested in that - it *takes time* I wonder what that family did with their time that it was too precious to do crafts with some of it. Watch television? Play computer games? Probably. Once upon a time - some 6-7 yrs ago - I agreed too babysit a child of an acquaintance. Mom was off to the hospital 70 miles away for surgery, Dad was gonna be with her until they threw him out, and not back in town until late at night. The child was 7, and I was to pick her up from school, feed her, supervise homework, amuse her till bedtime, make sure she went to bed clean and read-to and wait for Dad's return and report. I didn't know the child well, but well enough to know shewas smart, so figured homework wasn't going to take up much time, and we'd be left with a big, yawning gap in which to worry about her Mom. So I took a spare pillow, all set up with wound bobbins and a pricking and let her loose at it. She was a natural, so time flew and, by suppertime, she had an - almost - finished project (a 6pair, 4, bracelet, in 3 colours, with sewing footside at both sides). Because she was so excited about it (and got me excited about the possibility of having another lacemaker right in town g), I left the set-up with her and told her that I'd be happy to come back, even daily, if she wanted to pursue it. Mom came back from the hospital the day after, and another day later I got a phone call from her... She didn't *precisely*, accuse me of corrupting her child. But she did blame me for upsetting the child's routine, and asked me to come and collect the pillow etc as soon as possible, before the child grew too attached to the idea of spending her time at handcrafts, instead of on the computer, or watching Public TV programs... Handcrafts - according to Mo - are a blind alley, while improving games on the puter or improving programs on TV are... well... improving g And people wonder why, with their being the only other people in town who speak Polish, I'm not bosom buddies with her, even though our husbands (and Severn's *not* Polish) are such good friends :) As for the patience supposedly required for lacemaking... I agree with everyone who's said if it fascinates you, you don't *need* patience :) I need patience not only for all the domestic chores that Robin has listed, but also to sit through a program on TV (my year's average has *plummetted* in the last couple of years - from 2hrs a year, to 1hr a year, measured over a 2-yr period. I *don't have the time* g)... I need patience to survive through a coctail party (3 hrs wasted on exchanging polite inanities)... Lacemaking and patience I don't even *think* of in the same cell of brain-space... :) Lacemaking - with its puzzles and knots - can bring frustration and irritation, and every curse-word I've ever collected in every language, but it's still exhilarating... 9 times out of 10, the silliness of the world *outside lace* brings an eye-roll (Heaven, are you counting my brownie points for patience?) and I've survived worse; I'll survive this attitude... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fwd: Re: That table ribbon
I'm forwarding (without asking permission - Avital, please forgive g), because I think this is a question that might exercise other people as well. And it's in English (sometimes, I wonder what Weronika and I are doing, writing/talking English to one another g) From: Weronika Patena [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm... All this talking is starting to make me feel like trying this... Can people who aren't actually at the convention submit entries? I'd love to go, but I'm not sure I'll be able to, and it'd be pretty silly to make a table ribbon and then realize I can't use it. Yes, yes, and YES! You *don't have to attend* the Convention to submit an entry (and, as I'm hoping to go myself, I'll be happy to collect your entry and mail it to you once I'm back within US, if you designate me as the pick-up person). You *do*, however, have to be a *member of IOLI*, to participate in the competition. So, if you're tickled by the idea and the challenge, and would like to try your hand at it but you're not a member... JOIN! :) http://www.internationaloldlacers.org/ -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Table Ribbon
I am another one why Might enter - if I can only get one of my many ideas to work - drawing patterns is usually put in the too hard basket, as I cannot draw to save my life!! I plan to enter a piece - for the first time ever, - if I can just get my idea down on paper!! Up till now, I thought it was only open to people who were at the Convention, but since Denver, I have found that it is open to Any member of IOLI - so - there is a competition out there that I just Have to enter!! Better get back to the drawing board - literally!!! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Bobbin Lace/patience
It may not be the mom who's the problem. I've met a lot of kids who can't focus on anything for more than a few moments unless it beeps and whistles and changes colors. If it doesn't have the action of a video game they won't pay attention. It may be the mom was just bitter, knowing the kid wouldn't follow through. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacquie) wrote: A Mum came by with two little girls in the 6 to 9 age range, who both wanted to see what I was doing. She caught hold of their hands and dragged them away with the memorable explanation You wouldn't be interested in that - it *takes time* - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Macro-Honiton in color (was Re: That table ribbon)
Tamara wrote: g), and I know of at least one person who'd done macro Honiton, when she was first teaching herself. Granted, I've never seen Honiton (regular, micro or macro) made in more than one colour but the advanced people need a challenge too, no? Take Debbie Beaver's class on Honiton Big and Bold! She takes a traditional Honiton flower and blows it up to work it in sewing-machine thread (50/3 cotton?) in your choice of 3 colors. THen you go on to other traditional shapes, like assorted leaves (botanical, not tallies), still in sewing-machine thread and color. This gives the novice a chance to learn the techniques of Honiton without the frustration of dealing with ultra-fine thread at the same time (for novices, the techniques and the fine thread are probably both new). Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] post Katrina - waiting for news
I've just seen the lunchtime news, here. I don't think the situation in New Orleans and the other affected parts can be any worse than it is. There is a forecast of 4 weeks to pump out the water, at least that long to repair the clean water supply and possibly even longer for electric power to be restored. In the meantime how are people to live with no homes, possibly no work (no electricity) and the enormous risk now of disease. I hope for Beth's sake that her optimism is justified. But at least she is alive and safe. And in Bagdad over 600 people , mainly women and children0 on a religious pilgrimage killed in a stampede caused by the rumour a suicide bomber was among them. So much grief everywhere. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] smaller knitting needles
susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't know why i forgot that lacis is an american company. i'm sure someone brought that up in an email a few days ago. they are the only ones who carry a complete supply of knitting needles in the smaller sizes. I know of several US suppliers of the smaller size (00 to 8-0) knitting needles besides Lacis. Here are a few I can remember off the top of my head: http://www.purseparadise.com/ http://www.baglady.com/ http://www.jklneedles.com/ http://www.mielkesfarm.com/ I'm sure I'll remember another two or three as soon as I press Send! Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Food for Thought
I grew up in the 40s/50s with practical parents. A mother, God love her, who washed aluminium foil after she cooked in it, then reused it. She was the original recycle queen, before they had a name for it. A father who was happier getting old shoes fixed, than buying new ones. Their marriage was good, their dreams focused. Their best friends lived barely a wave away. I can see them now, Dad in trousers, tee shirt and a hat and Mom in a house dress, lawn mower in one hand, dishtowel in the other. It was the time for fixing things. A curtain rod, the kitchen radio, screen door, the oven door, the hem in a dress. Things we keep. It was a way of life, and sometimes it made me crazy. All that re-fixing, eating, renewing, I wanted just once to be wasteful. Waste meant affluence. Throwing things away meant you knew there'd always be more. But then my mother died, and on that clear summer's night, in the warmth of the hospital room, I was struck with the pain of learning that sometimes there isn't any more. Sometimes, what we care about most gets all used up and goes away . . . never to return. So, while we have it, it's best we love it, and care for it,and fix it when it's broken, and heal it when it's sick. This is true for marriage and old cars and children with bad report cards and dogs with bad hips and aging parents and grandparents. We keep them because they are worth it, because we are worth it. Some things we keep. Like a best friend that moved away, or a class- mate we grew up with. There are just some things that make life important, like people we know who are special . . . and so, we keep them close! I received this from someone who thinks I am a 'keeper,' so I've sent it to the people I think of in the same way. Now it's your turn to send this to those people that are keepers in your life. Good friends are like stars . . . you don't always see them, but you know they are always there. Keep them close! TEN THINGS GOD WON'T ASK ON THAT DAY. 1. God won't ask what kind of car you drove, He'll ask how many people you drove who didn't have transportation. 2. God won't ask the square footage of your house, He'll ask how many people you welcomed into your home. 3. God won't ask about the clothes you had in your closet, He'll ask how many you helped to clothe. 4. God won't ask what your highest salary was, He'll ask if you compromised your character to obtain it. 5. God won't ask what your job title was, He'll ask if you performed your job to the best of our ability. 6. God won't ask how many friends you had, He'll ask how many people to whom you were a friend. 7. God won't ask in what neighbourhood you lived, He'll ask how you treated your neighbours. 8. God won't ask about the colour of your skin, He'll ask about the content of your character. 9. God won't ask why it took you so long to seek Salvation, He'll lovingly take you to your mansion in heaven, and not to the gates of Hell. 10. God won't have to ask how many people you forwarded this to, He already knows whether or not you are ashamed to share this information with your friends' Keeper David in Ballarat No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 29/08/05 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] smaller knitting needles
thanks for the really great websites, especially the purse websites. i was just thinking i have a few bags of small beads from where i wanted to try weaving belts. i never even got one finished before i decided it wasn't for me. maybe some day, but not for a long while. i could easily use them for a knitted purse. beaded purses are nice gifts and heirlooms. i have a ton of things i have to finish, and still i keep looking for new things to start! --- Lynn Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't know why i forgot that lacis is an american company. i'm sure someone brought that up in an email a few days ago. they are the only ones who carry a complete supply of knitting needles in the smaller sizes. I know of several US suppliers of the smaller size (00 to 8-0) knitting needles besides Lacis. Here are a few I can remember off the top of my head: http://www.purseparadise.com/ http://www.baglady.com/ http://www.jklneedles.com/ http://www.mielkesfarm.com/ I'm sure I'll remember another two or three as soon as I press Send! Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Fw: How to stay awake at meetings...
To avoid falling asleep in meetings, seminars, focus groups and team building discussions try this. 1. Before (or during) your next meeting, seminar, or conference call, prepare yourself by drawing a square. Divide the card into columns-five across and five down. 2. Write one of the following words/phrases in each block: * synergy * strategic fit * core competencies * best practice * bottom line * revisit * take that off-line * 24/7 * out of the loop * benchmark * value-added * proactive * win-win * think outside the box * fast track * result-driven * empower (or empowerment) * knowledge base * at the end of the day * touch base * mindset * client focus(ed) * paradigm * game plan * leverage 3. Check off the appropriate block when you hear one of those words/phrases. 4. When you get five blocks horizontally, vertically, or diagonally, stand up and shout BUNGKUM Testimonials from satisfied Bungkum Bingo players: * I had been in the meeting for only five minutes when I won. - Jack W. * My attention span at meetings has improved dramatically. - David D. * The atmosphere was tense in the last process meeting as 14 of us waited for the fifth box. - Ben G. * The speaker was stunned as eight of us screamed 'BUNGKUM' for the third time in two hours. - Kathleen L To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Katrina
As I am off to Boston (Mass) tomorrow I shall be unsubscribing after I send this message. So I won't hear of Beth's futurer situation in New Orleans. I hope all goes well for her - as much as circumstances allow, anyway. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: generous lover
OK; perhaps, *marginally* acceptable on chat... But we're all adults here at the moment, no? And it's funny... which, to me, is a redeeming feature above all others. From: R.P. A man, returning home a day early from a business trip, got into a taxi at the airport. It was after midnight. While en route to his home, he asked the cabby if he would be a witness. The man suspected his wife was having an affair and he intended to catch her in the act. For $100, the cabby agreed. Quietly arriving at the house, the husband and cabby tiptoed into the bedroom. The husband switched on the lights, yanked the blanket back and there was his wife in bed with another man... The husband put a gun to the naked man's head. The wife shouted, Don't do it! This man has been very generous! I lied when I told you I inherited money. He paid for the Corvette I bought for you. He paid for our new cabin cruiser. He paid for your season Green Bay Packer Tickets. He paid for our house at the lake. He paid for our country club membership, and he even pays the monthly dues! Shaking his head from side-to-side the husband slowly lowered the gun. He looked over at the cab driver and said, What would you do? The cabby said, I'd cover his ass up with that blanket before he catches a cold. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
