Re: [lace] Bunny Patterns
There's a cute rabbit for sale on Etsy. I believe she sells the patterns too: http://www.etsy.com/listing/51346158/the-little-white-rabbit?ref=sr_gallery_1ga_search_query=bobbin+lace+rabbitga_search_type=handmadega_page=order=includes%5B0%5D=tagsincludes%5B1%5D=titlefilter%5B0%5D=handmade Sue Babbs - Original Message - From: bunnyrosena...@gmail.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Bunny Patterns I too am a lover of bunnies and would love to find some easy bunny patterns, still hoping waiting to see patterns for sale from Jean Mary Eke of her beautiful bunnies. Lynn Scott in Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] More for Nancy
P.S. to the graphs. I don't think the peak at 1900 is quite in the right place but there were some books in the early 1900s. I thinkperhaps the spread of the peak should be wider. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
RE: [lace] bobbin lace vs needle lace in print in English
I'm afraid the scientific use is debatable. Much depends on projects scanning books and offering the scans to google. So the books searched might be very biased. And the bias might differ by period. After all it are just about 4 percent of all books ever published. (I would like to know this percentage by period) some more explanation on http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/info It is interesting to zoom in for example on bobbin lace from 1940-1980 and follow the link for 1959 respective 1960-1979. 1959 has some general textile and antiques book on top, where the latter period has many about bobbin lace on top. Where ever the links at the bottom of the graph shows a period (as opposed to just a single year) there is a chance you can narrow the plotted period. A combined graph for different lace terms http://tinyurl.com/35rvgyk I know spangles just from bobbin lace, but from this graph I guess it must have other uses too ;-) It would have been interesting to have different types of curves in the graph. For example just counting publications that mention bobbin/needle-lace at all, counting titles with containing the search term, counting books that mention both needle-lace and bobbin-lace as opposed to just one of them etc. Jo (explanation is at http://tiny.cc/cwwy0 for anyone who missed my previous post.) Nancy Connecticut, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Correspondence on some bobbins on eBay
Don't take it too bad Brian. I once dared to suggest privately to an Ebay seller that a 'handmade white Chantilly shawl' was actually machine made. After formally banning me from his site, and after his wife repeatedly told me to do something more productive with my life like trying prostitution, and then explaining how he had handled 500 such shawls in his life, he finally ended up threatening to strangle me with a pice of Chantilly lace. All I could say was that I hoped it would be handmade. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
RE: [lace] Correspondence on some bobbins on eBay
Couldn't you have made a formal report to eBay about this person Laurie. After all trying to sell machine made stuff and pass it off as handmade probably amounts to fraud if it is done repeatedly. If it is a one-off thing it could be called a 'mistake' but not if it is done all the time. There are also consumer protection laws that would put the person out of business as well. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Waters Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:22 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Correspondence on some bobbins on eBay Don't take it too bad Brian. I once dared to suggest privately to an Ebay seller that a 'handmade white Chantilly shawl' was actually machine made. After formally banning me from his site, and after his wife repeatedly told me to do something more productive with my life like trying prostitution, and then explaining how he had handled 500 such shawls in his life, he finally ended up threatening to strangle me with a pice of Chantilly lace. All I could say was that I hoped it would be handmade. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Correspondence on some bobbins on eBay
Doesn't surprise me that the wife of a person like this sees prostitution as something productive. Clay On 12/18/2010 7:21 AM, Laurie Waters wrote: Don't take it too bad Brian. I once dared to suggest privately to an Ebay seller that a 'handmade white Chantilly shawl' was actually machine made. After formally banning me from his site, and after his wife repeatedly told me to do something more productive with my life like trying prostitution, and then explaining how he had handled 500 such shawls in his life, he finally ended up threatening to strangle me with a pice of Chantilly lace. All I could say was that I hoped it would be handmade. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Metropolitan Museum of Art's lace collection on line
What a happy holiday surprise! I just realized that the records of European Sculpture and Decorative Arts at the Metropolitan Museum of Art have appeared on the internet! If you will put in this tiny url _http://tinyurl.com/2a6abo8_ (http://tinyurl.com/2a6abo8) you will be able to see the 4925 items called laces of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's collection, which were formerly only viewable at the museum. I haven't had a chance to explore it yet, but it seems that many are zoomable. My cup runneth over! Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Correspondence on some bobbins on eBay
Unfortunately Ebay doesn't care. They will assist the police in a legitimate investigation, but anything else is 'buyer beware'. They aren't in the business of policing millions of transaction. I think in the beginning they used to take things like this more seriously, but not now. And yes, I had some bad moments about this - afterall, he could easily tell where I lived. But in the end you have to make a judgement call, and my call was to let it lie. So in the future, if anyone finds me dead with a piece of Chantilly lace around my neck, please look about 2 years ago in Arachne, and you will find all the evidence. Laurie - Original Message - From: Karen Zammit Manduca kaza...@melita.com To: 'Laurie Waters' lswaters...@comcast.net; lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:07 AM Subject: RE: [lace] Correspondence on some bobbins on eBay Couldn't you have made a formal report to eBay about this person Laurie. After all trying to sell machine made stuff and pass it off as handmade probably amounts to fraud if it is done repeatedly. If it is a one-off thing it could be called a 'mistake' but not if it is done all the time. There are also consumer protection laws that would put the person out of business as well. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Waters Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:22 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Correspondence on some bobbins on eBay Don't take it too bad Brian. I once dared to suggest privately to an Ebay seller that a 'handmade white Chantilly shawl' was actually machine made. After formally banning me from his site, and after his wife repeatedly told me to do something more productive with my life like trying prostitution, and then explaining how he had handled 500 such shawls in his life, he finally ended up threatening to strangle me with a pice of Chantilly lace. All I could say was that I hoped it would be handmade. Laurie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Metropolitan Museum of Art's lace collection on line
Since you've had access to much of this collection for a long time, and your cup runneth over, just imagine how those of us in the backwoods of this country must feel!! Thanks so much for giving us a heads-up on this, and let the MOMA know that they have just given the lace world an incomparable Christmas gift!! Clay On 12/18/2010 9:02 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: What a happy holiday surprise! I just realized that the records of European Sculpture and Decorative Arts at the Metropolitan Museum of Art have appeared on the internet! If you will put in this tiny url _http://tinyurl.com/2a6abo8_ (http://tinyurl.com/2a6abo8) you will be able to see the 4925 items called laces of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's collection, which were formerly only viewable at the museum. I haven't had a chance to explore it yet, but it seems that many are zoomable. My cup runneth over! Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace vs needle lace in print in English
I haven't been able to see the paper in Science discussing the database and the methodology--bias in the selection of books scanned for example--but Science is one of the 3 or 4 leading and peer-reviewed scientific journals in the world. That doesn't mean that everything they publish is absolutely right, but any paper in Science is worth taking seriously. Clicking on the date ranges at the bottom of each graph shows the wide variety of lace books included in the database, in addition to the general books on textiles etc. If one is interested in the history of different kinds of lace, I think this tool is worth playing with! Nancy From: Jo yhgr@xs4all.nl To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 5:22:14 AM Subject: RE: [lace] bobbin lace vs needle lace in print in English I'm afraid the scientific use is debatable. Much depends on projects scanning books and offering the scans to google. So the books searched might be very biased. And the bias might differ by period. After all it are just . Jo (explanation is at http://tiny.cc/cwwy0 for anyone who missed my previous post.) Nancy Connecticut, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Metropolitan Museum of Art's lace collection on line
MMA not MOMA. MOMA is Museum of Modern Art. Sent from my iPhon On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote: Since you've had access to much of this collection for a long time, and your cup runneth over, just imagine how those of us in the backwoods of this country must feel!! Thanks so much for giving us a heads-up on this, and let the MOMA know that they have just given the lace world an incomparable Christmas gift!! Clay On 12/18/2010 9:02 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: What a happy holiday surprise! I just realized that the records of European Sculpture and Decorative Arts at the Metropolitan Museum of Art have appeared on the internet! If you will put in this tiny url _http://tinyurl.com/2a6abo8_ (http://tinyurl.com/2a6abo8) you will be able to see the 4925 items called laces of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's collection, which were formerly only viewable at the museum. I haven't had a chance to explore it yet, but it seems that many are zoomable. My cup runneth over! Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English
It is also interesting to put in a smaller year range, and come up with more detail eg from 1860-1880 http://tinyurl.com/27ue576 from 1954- 1962 http://tinyurl.com/2c5chxn - Original Message - From: robinl...@socal.rr.com To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com; Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: Now what I would like to know is why is there such a spike in the frequency of the phrase bobbin lace in books in English in 1958 to 1960? and also a narrow one at 1900? (too narrow to be just the general lace revival I think) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Christmas card Exchange
Earlier this week I received a beautiful card with a white and green snowflake inside. It was made by Dawn Niner from Minooka, LI. Thank you so much. Lise Thomsen from MO. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English
In those diagrams is machine-, needle-. bobbin- and pillow-lace mentioned. Could somebody tell me the difference between bobbin- and pillow-lace. Do they mean Teneriffe-lace? Or is pillow-lace the sum of needle- and bobbin-lace? Both are made on a pillow, needle lace in another sort of pillow ok. Only machine-lace isn't done on a pillow. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
RE: [lace] Beads and dictionary Update
Brian, are you looking for a historical bone bead, or a more recent one? I think I have several dating from the 1980s or 90s. I can send photos if this is what you want? Margery. = margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK = -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lemin Sent: Saturday 18 December 2010 01:41 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Beads and dictionary Update snip Oh yes I am still looking for a Bone Bead I.e. a bead made from bone. That seems at this stage to be the one that I know is missing. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English
Hi, I have always thought as bobbin lace being pillow lace (can also called bone lace). Needle lace, although it is mainly done on a pillow can also be done in the hand which makes it so handy to take when you are travelling. However, I am happy to keep an open mind as to what others have to say. Happy Christmas and Good Lace Making, Joepie in cold, dark and snowy East Sussex. -Original Message- From: Ilske Thomsen Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:52 PM To: Arachne Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English In those diagrams is machine-, needle-. bobbin- and pillow-lace mentioned. Could somebody tell me the difference between bobbin- and pillow-lace. Do they mean Teneriffe-lace? Or is pillow-lace the sum of needle- and bobbin-lace? Both are made on a pillow, needle lace in another sort of pillow ok. Only machine-lace isn't done on a pillow. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English
My understanding of the terms is the same as yours, Joepie. Also I think the term pillow lace is more common in England than in the US--anyone: is that so? Nancy Connecticut--about to get snow but nothing like England has! (I hope) From: J-D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com To: Ilske Thomsen ilske-peter-thom...@t-online.de; Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 12:18:23 PM Subject: Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English Hi, I have always thought as bobbin lace being pillow lace (can also called bone lace). Needle lace, although it is mainly done on a pillow can also be done in the hand which makes it so handy to take when you are travelling. However, I am happy to keep an open mind as to what others have to say. Happy Christmas and Good Lace Making, Joepie in cold, dark and snowy East Sussex. -Original Message- From: Ilske Thomsen Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:52 PM To: Arachne Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English In those diagrams is machine-, needle-. bobbin- and pillow-lace mentioned. Could somebody tell me the difference between bobbin- and pillow-lace. Do they mean Teneriffe-lace? Or is pillow-lace the sum of needle- and bobbin-lace? Both are made on a pillow, needle lace in another sort of pillow ok. Only machine-lace isn't done on a pillow. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English
I think it is important for us to differentiate between what *we* have always thought, and what the writers of the particular books which were searched thought! I'm curious how the search works too... is it looking for word combinations that are exact, as in bobbin lace but not lace bobbin? Or is it searching for sentences that contain both words, but not necessarily together? All of these things make a huge difference. Clay On 12/18/2010 11:52 AM, Ilske Thomsen wrote: In those diagrams is machine-, needle-. bobbin- and pillow-lace mentioned. Could somebody tell me the difference between bobbin- and pillow-lace. Do they mean Teneriffe-lace? Or is pillow-lace the sum of needle- and bobbin-lace? Both are made on a pillow, needle lace in another sort of pillow ok. Only machine-lace isn't done on a pillow. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Bobbinlace bunny patterns
Kloppelshop has quite a few bunnies on their Easter page. The website is at http:www.kloppelshop.de Hope you find what you're looking for. Tammy - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Bobbinlace bunny patterns
I think there was an error in the address. I use http://www.kloeppelshop.de/ which has several bunnies under Klöppelbriefe and then Ostern/Fruehling (Easter/Spring). The dieresis (umlaut) 'ö' should resolve to 'oe' though pasting it does often result in a single 'o'. I won't include the Java script so you will have to get there by your self. It is a wonderful website I download their free pattern every month. HTH Pat T. -Original Message- From: Tammy Bartholomae Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:45 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Bobbinlace bunny patterns Kloppelshop has quite a few bunnies on their Easter page. The website is at http:www.kloppelshop.de Hope you find what you're looking for. Tammy - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Nancy's graph
Nancy What is really interesting about the word frequency graph is that the needle lace spikes match the bobbin lace ones, but at a lower level. I suppose that is an illustration of the relative interest in the two forms of lace. The spikes at 1900 and 1960 are odd. The one just be fore 1980 may be Doris Southard's book. Tebbs was 1907 and 1911. Brooke was 1923. Another surprising thing is that the post 1960 revival does not exceed the 1900-1925 revival. I would have expected it to greatly exceed the earlier one. Thanks for the links, Nancy. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English
I had never heard the term pillow lace in England where I learned bobbin lace from 1988 to 1999. I first came across it when demonstrating bobbin lace in the Chicago Botanic Gardens and was told quite firmly that I wasn't making bobbin lace, but pillow lace! News to me! Sue Babbs - Original Message - From: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com To: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English My understanding of the terms is the same as yours, Joepie. Also I think the term pillow lace is more common in England than in the US--anyone: is that so? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Bobbinlace bunny patterns
On 19/12/2010, at 6:07 AM, Pat T wrote: I think there was an error in the address. I use http://www.kloeppelshop.de/ which has several bunnies under Klöppelbriefe and then Ostern/Fruehling (Easter/Spring). Thanks for that Pat, there was an error, but it certainly was an interesting site - love the correct site tho. Lynn Scott, south of Sydney, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Bobbinlace bunny patterns
You are welcome. I really think we need to thank Tammy. I had the address stored and I occasionally browse the site, but I had no idea about all the bunnies and such. Thank you Tammy, I really had never looked at the patterns, just the supplies. Someone on one of the list or perhaps a classmate told me about the monthly pattern download. I will now have to spend some time looking through the rest of this beautiful, and technically advanced, website. Happy holidays everyone, Pat T -Original Message- From: bunnyrosena...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:34 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbinlace bunny patterns On 19/12/2010, at 6:07 AM, Pat T wrote: I think there was an error in the address. I use http://www.kloeppelshop.de/ which has several bunnies under Klöppelbriefe and then Ostern/Fruehling (Easter/Spring). Thanks for that Pat, there was an error, but it certainly was an interesting site - love the correct site tho. Lynn Scott, south of Sydney, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Pillow lace
My Grandmother always called it Pillow lace , but she only made Bobbin lace. I think 'Pillow lace' usually refers to 'Bobbin lace'. I would like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a very Happy Festive Season, and all the best for the New Year. Liz in Melbourne - currently away on holiday and using my new Laptop! lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] bobbin lace in print in English
I began bobbin lace in 1977 while living in England and heard many times that in the old times it was known as pillow lace and bone lace. I was also told that bone lace was because fish bones were used to support the threads before pins were invented. I do have some reference to that somewhere in one of my books. I've too much to do at the moment to search it out. So, Sue I heard it in England but before you began lacemaking. Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann Rice, Roanoke, Virginia USA Dec 18, 2010 07:33:58 PM, sueba...@comcast.net wrote: I had never heard the term pillow lace in England where I learned bobbin lace from 1988 to 1999. I first came across it when demonstrating bobbin lace in the Chicago Botanic Gardens and was told quite firmly that I wasn't making bobbin lace, but pillow lace! News to me! Sue Babbs /nneff6 2...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Bunny Patterns
Here is a cute bunny pattern http://www.nytiknipling.dk/ click on download, scroll down on page, look for Påskehaløj Irene Whitham, Surrey, BC Canad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
