[lace] Diagrams
Hi All, Hear, hear Clay!! I could not agree with you more about using diagrams while making Binche!! In fact I go further, one pin in the lace - pin in the same place on the diagram. I use map pins and have a colour coding of my own that I use. Green for a finished pin, yellow where there is a thread waiting for its mate to catch up and red for where I have to start next time I pick up my pillow!! No way do I regard it as cheating, its absolutely necessary for me. If I don't touch my lace for a week or two I could not pick it up again so quickly without my colour coded board!! I was so pleased to see Avital post a message asking people to cut the old messages when replying to a topic. Some of the recent ones have been incredibly long and when long replies follow long replies, well its just mind blowing!! I do hope there is no serious idea about moving Arachne from its current platform. I for one would not join if it was on Facebook or anything like that! It is possible to send pictures that you want to share with Arachne to a specially set up place (can't remember the details, but they are available!!) So what would be the point of moving it anyway!! Sue Fink In Masterton, New Zealand, where we have had some lovely sunny warm days recently (Sorry about the snow in America!!) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Lace diagrams / twist
I recently took a class where the teacher said she doesn't mark the twists. This creates confusion. Drawing twists makes a diagram more error prone. Better no marks than wrong marks. So it is better to teach them by mouth in those situations they don't come natural with your level of understanding of the lace. It also depens on whether you are a tc-er or ct-er where the twists should be drawn. No twists makes the diagrams universal. Jo - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Updated web site
Good morning all, Just thought I would let you know that Ben Archer of A R Archer Ltd has updated his website. Very fresh and pretty and gorgeous bobbins of course. No relation just an admirer of his great skills and beautiful work. Sue. Cornwall UK. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Ning software
Hi Just looked on this site, it's brilliant, you can see all the messages in a row and a picture of each member (or any photo you chose to put up). I haven't really been following the thread, is this really going to happen for Arachne or is it just an idea? Either way it has my vote. Thanks to everyone who makes Arachne possible it's great to have so many knowledgeable lace 'friends' and to keep up with the news from around the world. More power to your elbow! Angela (in Sussex, uk, where the sun is trying to come out) On 2 Nov 2011, at 00:15, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Of course the thing that make Arachne what it is, is the people. The people would be the same, hopefully, no matter what the software. We used to have software that wouldn't accept html. Fortunately Avital was able to upgrade the software, or debug it, or whatever she did that made it possible to go on with more modernized software. I have to agree with Lorelei that I love the Ning software. If you go to _http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/_ (http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/) you can see it in action. It is not Facebook, so there is no reason to be afraid that Facebook problems will arise. The advantage of using Ning is that you can insert photos very easily into the text, so that you can be having a discussion in which you insert a diagram, or a photo. You can insert a series of photos showing all the steps in a process. Beginners are able to post pictures of their work, and receive feed back, or else pose questions that can then be answered with visual responses, pictures or diagrams, as well as text. I particularly like to scan a small area of lace at high resolution and then start arguments about what is happening in the lace :-) When people disagree with me, I can consider their argument, scan more areas, mark them up with arrows to indicate the tricky part, draw diagrams, etc. They can produce diagrams to support their point of view, and in the end we all know a lot more than we did before. I find it to be quite exciting. The Arachne software is lacking this visual component. Although it is possible to announce that you have just posted a photo on the webshots site, and for people to go to that photo, it is not as fluid as inserting the photos directly into the text. Here are some examples of using visuals in the text. Devon Here are links to some pages of discussion from the BEGINNERS group last year. _http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/forum/topics/challenge-an-ongoing-workshop?g roupUrl=beginnersgroupId=5118721%3AGroup%3A215id=5118721%3ATopic%3A897pag e=8#comments_ (http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/forum/topics/challenge-an-ongoing-workshop?gro upUrl=beginnersgroupId=5118721:Group:215id=5118721:Topic:897page=8#comments) _http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/forum/topics/challenge-an-ongoing-workshop?g roupUrl=beginnersgroupId=5118721%3AGroup%3A215id=5118721%3ATopic%3A897pag e=10#comments_ (http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/forum/topics/challenge-an-ongoing-workshop?groupUrl=beginnersgroupId=5118721:Group:215id=5118721:Topic: 897page=10#comments) Here is a discussion under an ALENCON photograph with several detailed photos, but no diagrams. _http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/alencon-3-cl?context=albumalbumId=511 8721%3AAlbum%3A4927xgi=test-locale=exposeKeys=xgsi=id=5118721%3APhoto%3 A7723groupId=groupUrl=xg_pw=xg_disable_customizations=page=1#comments_ (http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/alencon-3-cl?context=albumalbumId=511 8721:Album:4927xgi=test-locale=exposeKeys=xgsi=id=5118721:Photo:7723gr oupId=groupUrl=xg_pw=xg_disable_customizations=page=1#comments) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] tulle lace
Thank you very much for this link, I just spent an enjoyable few minutes looking through some of the pictures. Some beautiful lace and I got hooked on the simplicity of the look of the 1920's? perhaps images of the young ladies. Very clever execution of the pieces. Lovely and the hands that display the lace fans are just beautiful. Sue T Dorset UK Here is an embroidered net fan in color: https://picasaweb.google.com/105906042417998482336/OLIVAVALENCIA301O2011?feat =content_notification#5669409201921053090 Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Ning software
I like Judith Holroyd's picture! It's worth going to the site just to see what she put up as her ID!! http://needlelacetalk.ning.com Sue sueba...@comcast.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] A lace fence
I took a class last year in which a local doctor wanted to learn how to make lace so that he could make a fence like this. Here is a webpage with a video about the show. http://vimeo.com/7328825 Nita Ross in Calgary On 1-Nov-11, at 8:33 PM, Witchy Woman wrote: Picked up a book from the Library called LACE IN TRANSLATION. Very cool lace that people have made using different techniques and materials. My favorite is the lace fence... http://www.lacefence.com/ It's bobbin lace made with wire, with chain link fencing used for the ground. The book showed the panels being made in a workshop in India by constructions workers. Interesting story. What started as an art installation has grown into a business. To see more panels go into Yahoo or Google's Image tab and type in lace fence by demakersvan. I'd love one of their panels! More pictures and information on the book here... http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/blog/index.cfm/2009/9/23/Lace-in-Tr anslation Love the lace oil tank! Enjoy! Peg ~~~ G: What is it you want? D: Freedom... to want nothing... to expect nothing... to depend on nothing. from THE FOUNTAINHEAD by Ayn Rand - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] New Beds book (Shorter!)
Hi All Whoever put that it's sold in the UK just cost me... LOL I've ordered it!! Yes Maureen Agnes, I will show you it when it arrives!!! Sue in East Yorkshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] New Beds book (Shorter!)
Hi Good I look forward to seeing it. Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Lace diagrams / twist
I think it depends on the person using the diagram, the thread choice and whatever lace it is ;) I like to see twists marked that aren't part of our usual bobbin lace stitches! I can choose not to do them, or add more or less as it works out. If the markings aren't there to remind me - I forget. We had this posted in our teaching room at the local museum: I hear, I forget. I see, I remember. I do, I understand. then in pencil underneath someone had scribbled ' I'm old and need reminding.' (ha ha). That's me and lacemaking... I recently took a class where the teacher said she doesn't mark the twists. This creates confusion. Drawing twists makes a diagram more error prone. Better no marks than wrong marks. So it is better to teach them by mouth in those situations they don't come natural with your level of understanding of the lace. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: What Arachne is
- Original Message - I agree with Devon Lorelie on this. I realize Arachne is text only, but I don't see why we can't change that. ... I'm going to speak up again for the sake of new people to this list who may not understand what Arachne is. Arachne is a GIFT to the lacemakers of the world by Liz. The base service, Majordomo, can only do certain things, but has been doing them very well for however many (17? 18?) years. It is an email forum that allows us to communicate and learn from each other. It is text only. Liz has maintained and paid for this service all this time without asking the members for anything. We don't own Arachne. We just get the privilege of using it for free. Computers and electronics have expanded over the years. As mentioned by several people, there are other forums available these days that have other capabilities. If they suit your need, use them. Accept Arachne as it is, enjoy it, participate or lurk, but don't expect it to miraculously change. A side thought the world is going so picture crazy these days that it may be very good mental exercise to use only written communication sometimes. Alice in Oregon ... getting down off my soap box now. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What Arachne is
Thank you Alice for explaining Arachne to all of us, the newbies needed this information and we who have been on Arachne a long time need a reminder from time to time.Even though I don't talk much I do read most of the posts and I can't tell you must how much I have enjoyed all of the information I've garnered in the 15 years or so that I've been mostly lurking. Thank you Liz and Avital for making it all possible. It seems to me that if there are those who think having a site on ping would be just the ticket for lacemakers, then someone with the knowledge of how it works should start it. I'm quite sure there is room on the internet for one more lacemakers resource. Best Regards, Carol Melton Valley of the Sun, Phoenix, AZ USA Arachne is a GIFT to the lacemakers of the world by Liz. The base service, Majordomo, can only do certain things, but has been doing them very well for however many (17? 18?) years. It is an email forum that allows us to communicate and learn from each other. It is text only. Liz has maintained and paid for this service all this time without asking the members for anything. We don't own Arachne. We just get the privilege of using it for free. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Re: Ning's Advantages
Mary and others, Of course this list is old school! ;-) Arachne must be one of the last majordomo-based lists in existence. We don't stay with majordomo because we're luddites or have no idea what's out there. We stay mostly for historical reasons -- people are used to it after 15 years, feel a strong loyalty to Liz, who has hosted this list on her company's servers for years, free of charge and advertising (try finding a free email list that doesn't push ads in your face all the time!), and they like the fact that it works and it's old and reliable. Many of us do belong to some of the newer sites like ning, Ravelry, etc., but they haven't replaced Arachne. This list is old and creaky but in a strange way that's worked to its advantage at times. The older fiber lists that moved to Yahoo groups, Google groups, and the like really got hit hard by the trolls, flamers, spammers, and general hordes of subscribers. All these lists have their place and they fill a need. People find what feels comfortable, what suits their style. Changing this list is not in the cards, I'm afraid. Liz, the owner, is like an absentee landlord. I'm the moderator (aka property manager) and I don't have admin rights. My job is to keep the list running smoothly as it is. (I belong to needlelacetalk.ning.com as well and participate occasionally.) Best wishes, Avital Arachne moderator On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Mary Robinson shuttlela...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with Devon Lorelie on this. I realize Arachne is text only, but I don't see why we can't change that. Why should we just settle for text only when there are other opportunities available? Honestly, this software we currently use is very out-dated old school. There's so much more available to us now. Technology advances constantly, although I don't want to change with every new advance, I do like to move ahead when it's advantageous. -- Blog: http://apinnick.wordpress.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Re: What Arachne is
Hi Arachnids, I agree with Alice and am thankful to Liz for facilitating Arachne. And the mental exercise needed keeps the old brain-cells going. Use it or lose it, both the brain-cells and Arachne (perish the thought). Not everyone wants to specialise and be compartmentalised; Arachne has a wonderfully eclectic group of contributors who range over a very wide range of laces types and abilities as well as some really erudite people. And so far -except for two occasions in nearly 2 years- I have not seen any impatience or unkindness but lots of lace-help for those asking for it. Long may it continue! Happy lace making, Joepie, East Sussex, UK - Original Message - I agree with Devon Lorelie on this. I realize Arachne is text only, but I don't see why we can't change that. ... I'm going to speak up again for the sake of new people to this list who may not understand what Arachne is. Arachne is a GIFT to the lacemakers of the world by Liz. The base service, Majordomo, can only do certain things, but has been doing them very well for however many (17? 18?) years. It is an email forum that allows us to communicate and learn from each other. It is text only. Liz has maintained and paid for this service all this time without asking the members for anything. We don't own Arachne. We just get the privilege of using it for free. Computers and electronics have expanded over the years. As mentioned by several people, there are other forums available these days that have other capabilities. If they suit your need, use them. Accept Arachne as it is, enjoy it, participate or lurk, but don't expect it to miraculously change. A side thought the world is going so picture crazy these days that it may be very good mental exercise to use only written communication sometimes. Alice in Oregon ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What Arachne is
For me the most important thing about Arachne, which is missing from all of the other lace forums that I've looked at, is that Arachne has a sense of FRIENDSHIP, which is why I'll stay here and not join any of the others. Very occasionally, someone will flame or get a bit pompous, but that's always sorted out very quickly. Arachne can be serious or frivolous. No adverts. No risk of viruses or other malware. Then there's the off-topic, but really useful and often entertaining parallel 'lace-chat' list. The same friends from 'lace' swapping everything through jokes, recipes, useful information and helping each other. I've had a lot of help from friends here, especially when I was wimping about needing to self-inject. Arachne is what it is and can't be changed, which makes me very content. The other forums out there might have bells and whistles, but they aren't Arachne; like a very comfortable pair of old shoes. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What Arachne is
I agree entirely with what Alice has said - I'm also a member of two face book lace pages. Whilst we are all busy thanking Liz and Avital for their work, can we also all wish Avital a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY today? In message 137dff15-d112-4279-9e72-61f05cd18...@azsnaps.com, Carol ca...@azsnaps.com writes Thank you Alice for explaining Arachne to all of us, the newbies needed this information and we who have been on Arachne a long time need a reminder from time to time.Even though I don't talk much I do read most of the posts and I can't tell you must how much I have enjoyed all of the information I've garnered in the 15 years or so that I've been mostly lurking. Thank you Liz and Avital for making it all possible. It seems to me that if there are those who think having a site on ping would be just the ticket for lacemakers, then someone with the knowledge of how it works should start it. I'm quite sure there is room on the internet for one more lacemakers resource. Best Regards, Carol Melton Valley of the Sun, Phoenix, AZ USA Arachne is a GIFT to the lacemakers of the world by Liz. The base service, Majordomo, can only do certain things, but has been doing them very well for however many (17? 18?) years. It is an email forum that allows us to communicate and learn from each other. It is text only. Liz has maintained and paid for this service all this time without asking the members for anything. We don't own Arachne. We just get the privilege of using it for free. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_17535SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20a nd%20Settings\Jane\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\ da%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam --- -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What Arachne is
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AVITAL! Sallie in Wyoming, USA Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk wrote: I agree entirely with what Alice has said - I'm also a member of two face book lace pages. Whilst we are all busy thanking Liz and Avital for their work, can we also all wish Avital a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY today? In message 137dff15-d112-4279-9e72-61f05cd18...@azsnaps.com, Carol ca...@azsnaps.com writes Thank you Alice for explaining Arachne to all of us, the newbies needed this information and we who have been on Arachne a long time need a reminder from time to time.Even though I don't talk much I do read most of the posts and I can't tell you must how much I have enjoyed all of the information I've garnered in the 15 years or so that I've been mostly lurking. Thank you Liz and Avital for making it all possible. It seems to me that if there are those who think having a site on ping would be just the ticket for lacemakers, then someone with the knowledge of how it works should start it. I'm quite sure there is room on the internet for one more lacemakers resource. Best Regards, Carol Melton Valley of the Sun, Phoenix, AZ USA Arachne is a GIFT to the lacemakers of the world by Liz. The base service, Majordomo, can only do certain things, but has been doing them very well for however many (17? 18?) years. It is an email forum that allows us to communicate and learn from each other. It is text only. Liz has maintained and paid for this service all this time without asking the members for anything. We don't own Arachne. We just get the privilege of using it for free. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_17535SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20a nd%20Settings\Jane\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\ da%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam --- -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] AGM Workshop
Hi, I was also in the workshop held at the AGM in Sydney and I must disagree, I had a wonderful learning experience and she answered all my questions (and there were many). Alex was so giving in that class especially if you were prepared to listen. I am a total beginner at Floral Bucks and was totally blown away that Alex allow me to do one of her patterns from her yet unpublished book, it was amazing. The pattern was one of the first patterns (only suitable for beginners) in the book so was a very good starting point for a raw beginner. I also learnt how to use a mirror to draft a corner, another new tool. Class members were asked to bring a pattern or patterns if they were already proficient in Floral Bucks, which many members of the class did, Alex provided old Bucks patterns for others that didn't bring anything, and as they thought they were proficient there were no working diagrams so that they had to think and maybe learn a technique or two. I would publicly like to thank Alex for her time and encouragement during the workshop a wonderful experience and would love to do another workshop to continue my learning journey of Floral Bucks. Faye Owers Shearwater Tasmania - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Binche
Hi Clay, I have tried to send this message directly to Clay, but it has bounced back twice now!! Sometimes ISPs just don't want to communicate!! So apologies for sending it to Arachne!! Many thanks for your reply to my post on Arachne. I too use insect pins and have started putting in support pins on occasion. I think your idea of painting the head of the support pins red is BRILLIANT!! I will have to get out the red paint too!! Sincerely, Sue Fink Masterton, New Zealand - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Binche
Sue, for some reason, Comcast (Clay's internet provider) seems to refuse mail from overseas internet providers. A couple of years ago, I was successful in getting Optus transferred onto Comcast's acceptable list, and got a few emails through OK. But they stopped accepting them again very quickly. To deal with queries about Lace RXP from anyone on Comcast, I get them to write to my usual email address, then I use gmail or Yahoo to reply to them.Comcast will accept either of those servers. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Sue Fink Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:36 AM To: lace digest Subject: [lace] Binche Hi Clay, I have tried to send this message directly to Clay, but it has bounced back twice now!! Sometimes ISPs just don't want to communicate!! So apologies for sending it to Arachne!! Many thanks for your reply to my post on Arachne. I too use insect pins and have started putting in support pins on occasion. I think your idea of painting the head of the support pins red is BRILLIANT!! I will have to get out the red paint too!! Sincerely, Sue Fink Masterton, New Zealand - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] AGM Workshop
Thank you Faye! As organiser of the conference, I will say that all except one of the written feedback sheets received by the committee were most complimentary and enthusiastic about the class and the teacher. Ruth -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Faye Owers Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:14 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] AGM Workshop Hi, I was also in the workshop held at the AGM in Sydney and I must disagree, I had a wonderful learning experience and she answered all my questions (and there were many). Alex was so giving in that class especially if you were prepared to listen. I am a total beginner at Floral Bucks and was totally blown away that Alex allow me to do one of her patterns from her yet unpublished book, it was amazing. The pattern was one of the first patterns (only suitable for beginners) in the book so was a very good starting point for a raw beginner. I also learnt how to use a mirror to draft a corner, another new tool. Class members were asked to bring a pattern or patterns if they were already proficient in Floral Bucks, which many members of the class did, Alex provided old Bucks patterns for others that didn't bring anything, and as they thought they were proficient there were no working diagrams so that they had to think and maybe learn a technique or two. I would publicly like to thank Alex for her time and encouragement during the workshop a wonderful experience and would love to do another workshop to continue my learning journey of Floral Bucks. Faye Owers Shearwater Tasmania - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] arachne and photos
I am in total agreement here with Lorelie regarding how important arachne is as a resource, forum and place of refuge. What we are forgetting here is that social networking is an unsecure place. Many people will simply not use it. The ability to loose personal details through such sites and to have people data mining on them to gain personal information is rife. I am continually aghast at the personal information that colleagues and friends happily put onto facebook. As someone who has worked in hr for many years I am also really worried that people put info onto such sites that can be easily found when you are looking up someone who has applied for a job. More worrying is that fact that facebook is able to look at a picture placed on one site and identify the person in the photo from their site and place their name on the first site. I think its amazing that government organisations can't run facial recognition on port entry but facebook can find your face on your mate's page and put your name on it. Something is upside down here. I know that I need to use social media for our company but I really don't trust it and don't want to use it - when I do, I will take every opportunity to make myself as unknown as possible. Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ From: Lorelei Halley lhal...@bytemeusa.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 23:27 Subject: [lace] arachne and photos Nicky For myself, I want arachne to go on existing forever. It is the most valuable general lace discussion group on the internet, as far as I can see, and I belong to several. The discussions about ning, facebook, bobbinlace at google, bobbinlace at yahoo are all about the capability to insert photos into comments. This would make arachne a site for real teaching, as well as discussion. Some of us are a little frustrated that giving detailed help to beginners is very awkward because we don't have that photo capability right in the software for this group. I personally find the community webshots account that arachne has is clumsy and slow. There is just too much advertizing and pop-ups. It slows down page loading way too much. Ning is a host for social networks which has created their own software, and it is wonderful in what it can do. All the platforms (I think that's the word) I mentioned in the 2nd paragraph have photo capability right in the site. But they all work differently and have different strong points and weaknesses. Don't panic, we're just talking about this. I don't want to replace arachne. I just wish it could do more. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] A lace fence
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ From: Witchy Woman wytchy...@sbcglobal.net To: Arachne Group lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 2:33 Subject: [lace] A lace fence Picked up a book from the Library called LACE IN TRANSLATION. Very cool lace that people have made using different techniques and materials. My favorite is the lace fence... http://www.lacefence.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] arachne and photos
I hope you realize that arachne is archived and everything you say on this site is available to the internet searcher. Devon In a message dated 11/2/2011 5:14:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thelace...@btinternet.com writes: I am in total agreement here with Lorelie regarding how important arachne is as a resource, forum and place of refuge. What we are forgetting here is that social networking is an unsecure place. Many people will simply not use it. The ability to loose personal details through such sites and to have people data mining on them to gain personal information is rife. I am continually aghast at the personal information that colleagues and friends happily put onto facebook. As someone who has worked in hr for many years I am also really worried that people put info onto such sites that can be easily found when you are looking up someone who has applied for a job. More worrying is that fact that facebook is able to look at a picture placed on one site and identify the person in the photo from their site and place their name on the first site. I think its amazing that government organisations can't run facial recognition on port entry but facebook can find your face on your mate's page and put your name on it. Something is upside down here. I know that I need to use social media for our company but I really don't trust it and don't want to use it - when I do, I will take every opportunity to make myself as unknown as possible. Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ From: Lorelei Halley lhal...@bytemeusa.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 23:27 Subject: [lace] arachne and photos Nicky For myself, I want arachne to go on existing forever. It is the most valuable general lace discussion group on the internet, as far as I can see, and I belong to several. The discussions about ning, facebook, bobbinlace at google, bobbinlace at yahoo are all about the capability to insert photos into comments. This would make arachne a site for real teaching, as well as discussion. Some of us are a little frustrated that giving detailed help to beginners is very awkward because we don't have that photo capability right in the software for this group. I personally find the community webshots account that arachne has is clumsy and slow. There is just too much advertizing and pop-ups. It slows down page loading way too much. Ning is a host for social networks which has created their own software, and it is wonderful in what it can do. All the platforms (I think that's the word) I mentioned in the 2nd paragraph have photo capability right in the site. But they all work differently and have different strong points and weaknesses. Don't panic, we're just talking about this. I don't want to replace arachne. I just wish it could do more. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] arachne and photos
Yep, I know that and I'm very careful about what I put on. It is only in recent years I have had my actual name on my posts. That's my decision to do and since I married my married name is more common than maiden name so to match postings to me is harder as I use a bucket email address and even my website is a free based one. there are no personal details apart from that. If I wanted to be anonymous I could be on here. However on facebook I can very easily find things. There has been an ad campaign over here for sometime that shows a girl being sick into a toilet - the caption reads be careful what you put on social media sites as it may come back to haunt you. The text below the picture talks about prospective employers looking at your facebook site and seeing pictures like that - more employers over here are doing this. Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ From: dmt11h...@aol.com dmt11h...@aol.com To: thelace...@btinternet.com; lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 21:18 Subject: Re: [lace] arachne and photos I hope you realize that arachne is archived and everything you say on this site is available to the internet searcher. Devon In a message dated 11/2/2011 5:14:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thelace...@btinternet.com writes: I am in total agreement here with Lorelie regarding how important arachne is as a resource, forum and place of refuge. What we are forgetting here is that social networking is an unsecure place. Many people will simply not use it. The ability to loose personal details through such sites and to have people data mining on them to gain personal information is rife. I am continually aghast at the personal information that colleagues and friends happily put onto facebook. As someone who has worked in hr for many years I am also really worried that people put info onto such sites that can be easily found when you are looking up someone who has applied for a job. More worrying is that fact that facebook is able to look at a picture placed on one site and identify the person in the photo from their site and place their name on the first site. I think its amazing that government organisations can't run facial recognition on port entry but facebook can find your face on your mate's page and put your name on it. Something is upside down here. I know that I need to use social media for our company but I really don't trust it and don't want to use it - when I do, I will take every opportunity to make myself as unknown as possible. Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ From: Lorelei Halley lhal...@bytemeusa.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 23:27 Subject: [lace] arachne and photos Nicky For myself, I want arachne to go on existing forever. It is the most valuable general lace discussion group on the internet, as far as I can see, and I belong to several. The discussions about ning, facebook, bobbinlace at google, bobbinlace at yahoo are all about the capability to insert photos into comments. This would make arachne a site for real teaching, as well as discussion. Some of us are a little frustrated that giving detailed help to beginners is very awkward because we don't have that photo capability right in the software for this group. I personally find the community webshots account that arachne has is clumsy and slow. There is just too much advertizing and pop-ups. It slows down page loading way too much. Ning is a host for social networks which has created their own software, and it is wonderful in what it can do. All the platforms (I think that's the word) I mentioned in the 2nd paragraph have photo capability right in the site. But they all work differently and have different strong points and weaknesses. Don't panic, we're just talking about this. I don't want to replace arachne. I just wish it could do more. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Happy Birthday
Happy Birthday Avital!! Incidentally, I've heard from the supplier that the Beds book that Leonard mentioned in his posts is on its way!! (Thanks for letting me know Pat) Can't wait!! I do agree with Noelene we do not need excuses to need lace books! VBG Sue in East Yorks - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Ning
I think that the issue of arachne going on Ning has been put to bed, because Avital says it is not in the cards, which is fine. But, I am a little confused here, because we are having a discussion of social networking sites and security problems with them, etc. and I don't know if we are discussing Facebook or Ning, or both. It seems to me that Facebook is very different than Ning. I have gone to my site on Needlelace Talk to see what damaging material there might be about me on it that a future employer would see that would be comparable to the case of a girl who is visibly hung over. (Pity the poor human resources professional who has to examine all the Facebook pages of young recruits with their endless updates about lattes they have just had. Brutal. Mercifully most of them have put in privacy controls so you can't monitor their lattes.) My face does not appear because I am too lazy to upload it. The conversational stream includes my views on Reticella, love the figural stuff, Gros Point, novel theory on diamond patterns, and Alencon, long discussion about cordonet and horse hair. I suppose it is always possible that one of my enemies will post a picture of a piece of lace that I have made with uneven tension. There is absolutely nothing personal on this site. In fact, unlike Facebook, it doesn't even have advertisements. That is one of the things that you get for paying a fee for the site, if I understand this. Perhaps Lorelei could clarify the difference between Facebook and Ning for us, though, since I don't claim to be an expert. This is lace related, since even though Arachne is not going on Ning, there seem to be Ning and Facebook lace sites, that Arachnids might or might not want to visit. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] ning or mail list?/dialup
I am surprised at this Clay, because I do get one from Needlelace Talk when something has been discussed. I get one from Ravelry when there is a message for me, although not apparently when someone has replied to an email. Maybe it is in the settings. devon In a message dated 11/2/2011 6:52:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clayblackw...@comcast.net writes: I'm a member of Ravelry, and to my surprise, I realized I had also signed onto another list for lacemakers! However, unlike Facebook or Arachne, neither of these sends me an email indicating that I've had a response to something I wrote, or that something that I've expressed an interest in has been discussed - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] facebook,ning,ravelry,etc
I'm writing this just for informational purposes, and I want to say again, that I value arachne hightly and want to see it continue forever. But regarding lace sites or potential sites on other platforms: facebook has a huge worldwide participation. That in itself makes it a target for bad actors looking for victims or vandals who think destructivness is fun. I do have a facebook account and have looked around. One can post a photo and then anyone can comment on it. But posting a discussion topic and waiting for responses is not as fluent as with ning. There are groups, any member can start a group and specify its degree of privacy. The group admin can block members (a way to remove spammers). The software seems focused primarly on making connections between people rather than on a specific subject matter or activity and other people interested in it. I don't see a way for people outside your social circle to find these specific activities if they don't know you or have friends in common with you. free Ning allows the admin the option of open membership, moderated membership (which means test questions can eliminate those who don't have a real interest in the subject matter, but just want to use the network). Some basic real information is part of sign up but only the admin will ever see this. Real names, birth dates, real email addresses or street addresses are not visible unless the member chooses. Members can specify degree of privacy and can change privacy settings at any time. Because this platform is focused on subject matter groups, no general type bad actors are likely to search it for victims. In fact, I don't see a way for anyone to get a list of ning networks. Members can set their account so that they get an email when anything is added, or only for certain kinds of things. So there is no need to check it everyday unless you want to. Each network on ning functions as if it were a free standing website, relative to search engines. This means that the content can become highly visible on google if the designer plans well. Do a search on learn needle lace and see if anything on facebook pops up on the list. Count how far down the first page NEEDLELACETALK appears. The downside is the hosting fee. Yahoo groups work quite well but there are problems. If you have moderated membership (someone has to review and approve membership requests) the entire content of the group is hidden from the public and viewable only by members. Not good for growth. free google groups allows for moderated membership and does allow non-members to view content if the admin sets the group that way. photos can be posted in comments. Photo storage space is limited, and videos would eat it up rapidly. free ravelry has very good software, but since the only page that is public is the opening sign up page, the entire content is not visible to search engines. free What platform works best depends on the goals you are trying to serve. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
