Re: [lace] Pricey lace books
Did you know that for a mere $753.00 you can buy Alex Stillwell's Technique of Teneriff book? I've been noticing this a lot with Amazon's general books too. Apparently these books are all coming out of Hong Kong. I'm sure any author would love a slice of that kind of price. Are there people out there who would actually pay these prices? (I've also seen one or two that are over $1000.00) Is there some way we can complain to Amazon about this sort of thing? Sharon, on Vancouver Island Good morning Spiders This email from Sharon has prompted me to look on UK Amazon this morning and I see that there are 8 used copies of my book 'Needlelace Designs Techniques' for sale plus a further 5 NEW copies, making the grand total of 13 copies for sale. The lowest price is £44.52p and the highest is an outrageous £3.000.00p and all on the same page! I can't for the life of me understand why a seller would be naive enough to think anyone would buy a book for £3,000. 00p when the very same book is listed at the top of the same page for just £44.52p! What is the reasoning behind all this - I must be missing something and yes please, I would love a slice of that kind of price! This is the very reason that I am currently going through the tedious process of trying to get a reasonable quote to re-print my book myself using Print On Demand. Some sacrifices of course will have to be made in that I will not be able to have the colour photographs placed throughout the book as in the original but hopefully will have 4 double sheets folded, making a total of 8 pages which will be placed together, perhaps in the middle of the book. I did actually write to one of these sellers through Amazon (and so did my daughter), asking them where they obtained the supposedly NEW copies of my book, but needless to say, they did not reply. The whole purpose in writing the book in the first place was to pass on to future generations, the skills that I had learned, so that the craft will continue to thrive - certainly not to make me a rich woman! How can anyone wanting to obtain a copy, possibly afford these crazy prices and they can't possibly be getting customers, so why do it? B T Batsford were the original publishers of most of these lace titles but of course they would have huge print runs done and they were all printed abroad - my own was printed in Singapore. They used to sell through Book Clubs who would order hundreds of copies of a book and many of you will have been fortunate enough to have bought them at a discounted price. An author would receive mere pennies per copy by way of royalties on a book and they would be calculated on the sale price of the book - so far less by way of royalties on discounted books sold through a book club, book shop etc. Catherine Barley UK Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pricey lace books
Sharon is correct. But there is one other thing you need to be aware of... Sometimes people list items at outrageous prices just to create the illusion that the item is really that valuable. Then, they will list the item at a very *low* buy it now price. Beware! Before you grab that deal, be sure to look at the shipping! You could easily get a nice book for $10, and then realize you've committed to pay $75 for shipping! Yes, it's possible to back out of the deal, but it's a hassle and you may get negative feedback. Better just to be aware... Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA, USA Sent from my iPad On Nov 6, 2013, at 12:57 AM, Sharon Morrison sharon_morri...@comcast.net wrote: Just because they ask very high prices does not mean they can get buyers. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pricey lace books
Clay, you hit it on the head. Great caution. Thanks. Hugs, Lin and the Mali *I just realized I am so old, I have forgotten I have been there and done that.* - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] sad news
Sister Judith passed away this morning. 1,5 month after we celebrated her 100th birthday. A great day that she enjoyed immensely. She told me last week âit was good, but it is enoughâ We will miss her dearly, but her Lace, Withof, will live on. Anneke Reijs in Baexem, in the south-east of The Netherlands - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] sad news
Thank you, Anneke, for sharing this sad news. Although I never met her, I know the influence that Sister Judith has had on the lace world. My thoughts and prayers are with her family and all who knew her. Jill in Milton Keynes, England On 06 November 2013 at 14:50 ann...@reijs.nl wrote: Sister Judith passed away this morning. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] sad news
Thank you for letting us know, Anneke. Sr. Judith lived a wonderful life, and her legacy of laces and designs is priceless! May she rest in peace. Missed, but never forgotten. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:50 AM, ann...@reijs.nl wrote: Sister Judith passed away this morning. 1,5 month after we celebrated her 100th birthday. A great day that she enjoyed immensely. She told me last week it was good, but it is enough -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pricey lace books
Hello everybody: Catherine wrote: This email from Sharon has prompted me to look on UK Amazon this morning and I see that there are 8 used copies of my book 'Needlelace Designs Techniques' for sale plus a further 5 NEW copies, making the grand total of 13 copies for sale. The lowest price is £44.52p and the highest is an outrageous £3.000.00p and all on the same page! You know, the internet is a great thing, and a lot of the sellers on sites like abebooks.com are small independent dealers who are honest and working with new technology in the old-fashioned way. But the Internet has opened up a few different business models, and I think this is one of them. I looked up the 5 new copies and I noticed that one seller is actually in the US, and three of the other sellers tell you that the new book will ship from the USA. The other one says it is in stock. My dark suspicions are that there aren't 5 books at all. I think that somebody somewhere is advertising one book for sale, and these business know about it, because their bots troll the Internet looking for such things. So, once you've paid the handsome price the seller who has won your business goes and buys the book and has it shipped to you. They've never owned the book at all; they're just a kind of middleman. If that's what they're doing, it isn't illegal (unless it's a POD service that is going to pirate it) - it's just different from the model of bookselling most of us have in our heads. It's also quite possible that they didn't even put up the ad - it's possible that your search for the title triggers their computer to write the ad and put it up then and there, and no human has had a hand in any of it. For my part, though - give me a lace supplier who actually has put out money to buy the book in the first place and will talk about it with me and then package it up and mail it to me. I'm old-fashioned. Adele West Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pricey lace books - Do you read Jeri's memos?
A subject I regularly write about. Often! There are greedy people everywhere. All they need is access to the internet and a personal computer. They can be thieves and spammers, because they are not being regulated properly. Please do not buy from them. Sometimes respected suppliers get involved in marketing schemes. This year I had an experience with a London museum. They greatly discounted a book, but they loaded on a huge shipping fee that offset any savings. I asked my Main St. independent book store to get it. It cost almost the same as direct from London, but profits were realized in my town (which needs economic relief). Many are out to make money and collect personal information about you. By having a trusted local shop get books, you don't give away personal information. That has great value. I actually pay cash, so there is even more protection from ID thieves. Books would have to come in to a independently-owned shop and be delivered or re-shipped to you, but it is worth it. My bookshop owner negotiates to get books from these guys we know nothing about. She has a U.S. connection for getting most books from England and Australia quickly. She has small-town overhead costs, and if a U.S. book is easily-obtained, passes a very nice discount on to me. I've had Barnes Noble clerks claim a book less than one year old is out-of-print, when it most certainly was not. What you have to realize is that everyone is out to sell you something, and IF there is a legal regulation to protect you from scams, it is too complicated to complain. For standard lace books, search the web sites of the lace suppliers in your country or continent. There are quite a few in the U.K. who advertise in The Lace Guild's bulletin. Barbara Fay in Germany ships everywhere. There are lace suppliers in Australia, Canada and the U.S. They support lace guilds in various nations through paid advertising and participation in large lace events. If a book is not on their website, you can still contact them to look for it for you. Older lace makers often sell their libraries to lace book suppliers or donate them to lace guilds. It is in this way that they re-circulate at reasonable prices. Sharon, I don't know if you can complain to Amazon. I do not do business with Amazon, because privacy is so valued that I would rather pay more (for less books) to a supplier who protects my buying history. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center -- In a message dated 11/5/2013 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rswhite...@shaw.ca writes: If you've checked out Amazon.com recently you will notice that some books are going for outrageous prices. Is there some way we can complain to Amazon about this sort of thing? Sharon, on Vancouver Island - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] more on books
Since Iâm on the price of books soapbox I thought Iâd bring up another point. This past Summer I bought myself a couple of second hand (out of print) lace books. I got them at what I considered a reasonable price. One, from England, cost £9.99 and the other, from the States was $25.99. The cost of the postage was £10.99 and $31.50 respectively. Is it any wonder that the postal services everywhere are moaning the blues that people arenât using their service as often as in the past? Anyone not living in an urban location has little choice but to buy niche books sight unseen. It is for this reason that we are grateful for the few reviews posted on Arachne. It would be nice if our fellow spiders would consider taking the time to write a review of some of their favourite old/new lace books ..perhaps when the list is slow? Sharon on Vancouver Island - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sad News
I have just had an email from Pam Crouch from The Heartland Lace Guildto say Lise Thomsen sadly passed away this morning , I am sure their areMany on Arachne who knew Lise,Our thoughts Prayers and Blessings are with her FamilyAnother sad loss for the Lacemaking World. Janet - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pricey lace books
There are some lace book authors who are self funded publishers, meaning they have personally outplayed the printing costs. I would like to see a list of those books and the authors sale details so when I buy their book I buy it direct from them and THEY receive the full sale price. For example, Rosemary Shepherd in Australia has her own website where you can order her books directly from her. Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pricey lace books
Excellent idea! Going beyond that, perhaps a consortium of self-publishers on Arachne! Rhere must be a good website for that! Clay Sent from my iPad On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au wrote: There are some lace book authors who are self funded publishers, meaning they have personally outplayed the printing costs. I would like to see a list of those books and the authors sale details so when I buy their book I buy it direct from them and THEY receive the full sale price. For example, Rosemary Shepherd in Australia has her own website where you can order her books directly from her. Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sister Judith
So sad to hear of Sister Judith's passing. Condolences to her family and friends. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Xmas exchange
Being that it is now 7th November, is the Xmas lace exchange going ahead as I thought pairings were to be sent out on 1st November bu.t I've heard nothing. L Kind Regards Liz Baker - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teneriffe book
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:48:41 -0800 From: Rick Sharon Whiteley rswhite...@shaw.ca Subject: [lace] Pricey lace books . I checked out some lace books. Did you know that for a mere $753.00 you can buy Alex Stillwell's Technique of Teneriff book Thank you Sharon. I wish I was getting this. This book is available to download free from the Arizona Free Library. Details of how to find it are on my website http://alexstillwell.wordpress.com look under the books tab and my Teneriffe book. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
