Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Your are not totally correct! There are many copies of patterns which are so old that the original designer cannot be traced! So do NOT assumed you are a know all Manie On 20/07/2015 04:18 PM, The Lace Bee wrote: I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or photocopies and he came back with this answer: Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the public might like them. This is the last lot. yours G J Flattery I responded with: If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the law on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from. That's why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for photocopies which are copyright infringements He then turned threatening with: i had already guess that you were a troublemaker. i will be watching your listings in the future. I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. Lovely man. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 20 Jul 2015, at 13:52, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: I've decided to play. I've sent the question as to whether it's the book or photocopy. when he says its a photocopy then I'll report him for copyright breach as copies are for personal use only and can't be resold. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Hi Avital, Can the sender of the email below be blocked from this list? or at least given a warning if similar posts continue. I found the tone of the email offensive, especially directed at two of our most helpful, pleasant list members, and when what was being discussed were photocopies from known sources. Thanks. NancyConnecticut  From: Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za To: The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com; Daphne Martin ladylace...@msn.com Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller Your are not totally correct! There are many copies of patterns which are so old that the original designer cannot be traced! So do NOT assumed you are a know all Manie On 20/07/2015 04:18 PM, The Lace Bee wrote: I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or photocopies and he came back with this answer: Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the public might like them. This is the last lot. yours G J Flattery I responded with: If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the law on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from. That's why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for photocopies which are copyright infringements He then turned threatening with: i had already guess that you were a troublemaker. i will be watching your listings in the future. I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. Lovely man. Kind Regards Liz Baker - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace makers in Bulgaria?
Thank you Antje, I have just spent an enjoyable afternoon looking at Bistrapisancheva.com . What an inspiration her bobbin lace is, as you said not conventional but beautiful and very different makes me want to branch out and try something vastly different to any lace I have ever made. Sue M Harvey Norfolk U.K, Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] UK book help
Thank you. I have now been able to look at them. Maureen E Yorks UK On 22 Jul 2015, at 01:45, Cindy from Dallas cin...@gmail.com wrote: I think there are actually 2 websites listed below, that somehow have gotten mashed together with the word USA. The websites Karen was trying to share in her signature are: www.TheShuttleSmith.com etsy.com/shop/theshuttlesmith The first is her blog which I find quite lovely to read, the second is her Etsy shop, where I saw a gorgeous shuttle… (Now, if I would ever find the time to learn to tat… :) ) Cindy from Dallas Ravelry ID:cinhad knittingyards.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Hi Nancy So you or anybody else cannot take any criticism! but on the other hand all Americans are know alls I am but a member of a handful of male lacers from South Africa. So go ahead and have me blocked - at least it will give you great joy Have a wonderful day and enjoy your lace Manie Kriel Heidelberg South Africa On 22/07/2015 06:36 PM, Nancy Neff wrote: Hi Avital, Can the sender of the email below be blocked from this list? or at least given a warning if similar posts continue. I found the tone of the email offensive, especially directed at two of our most helpful, pleasant list members, and when what was being discussed were photocopies from known sources. Thanks. Nancy Connecticut *From:* Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za *To:* The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com; Daphne Martin ladylace...@msn.com *Cc:* Arachne lace@arachne.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:05 PM *Subject:* Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller Your are not totally correct! There are many copies of patterns which are so old that the original designer cannot be traced! So do NOT assumed you are a know all Manie On 20/07/2015 04:18 PM, The Lace Bee wrote: I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or photocopies and he came back with this answer: Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the public might like them. This is the last lot. yours G J Flattery I responded with: If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the law on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from. That's why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for photocopies which are copyright infringements He then turned threatening with: i had already guess that you were a troublemaker. i will be watching your listings in the future. I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. Lovely man. Kind Regards Liz Baker - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
To Liz and everyone All that being said, the seller did not purposefully make copies of a publication to sell, did they? Is it unlawful to sell a piece of paper that happens to be a photocopy? What if the papers of the previous owner were of collectible value to someone? Just wondering... As was identified in the posts these photocopies were from very recognisable sources. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
As I understand it the photocopies were made by the original owner of a book for his/her personal use that was legal, but to remain legal they should have remained with the book. A new owner of the book could use them if required, again for personal use only, but they should not have been passed on to a third party by sale or by gift. Brenda All that being said, the seller did not purposefully make copies of a publication to sell, did they? Is it unlawful to sell a piece of paper that happens to be a photocopy? What if the papers of the previous owner were of collectible value to someone? Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
I missed Nancy's post. Thanks for the defence. As was identified in the posts these photocopies were from very recognisable sources. So Nancy is right that it's about books in print. I received a further email from the vendor telling me that they were disabled, in constant pain and this was how they made their living. That still doesn't excuse threatening behaviour on the part of the vendor. Should I have written to say that my dad has just died and the cat is undergoing chemo do don't be rude to me? (Both true) Manners maketh man We go through the copyright debate every few months. Personally I believe that if in doubt then don't sell it or take a further copy for a friend. If you don't want it then give it to a lace group library. But, some people seem to know the cost of everything and the value of nothing So Nancy. Big hug. Kind Regards, Liz Baker Nancy wrote: what was being discussed were photocopies from known sources. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [SPAM] Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
We have all this knowledge because let's face it we go through it all regularly! This person, who has excellent one hundred per cent feedback on eBay, was not to know. So give the chap a break please ladies. Diana Sent from Diana's iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] eBay seller
Sorry about the 'spam' in the title line of my message (don't know where that came from) it will probably finish up in most people's trash ;-) Diana - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
I agree. Clay Blackwell Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: As I understand it the photocopies were made by the original owner of a book for his/her personal use that was legal, but to remain legal they should have remained with the book. A new owner of the book could use them if required, again for personal use only, but they should not have been passed on to a third party by sale or by gift. Brenda All that being said, the seller did not purposefully make copies of a publication to sell, did they? Is it unlawful to sell a piece of paper that happens to be a photocopy? What if the papers of the previous owner were of collectible value to someone? Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Gon's website
Please let me add my thanks for all the wonderful edgings insertions that are to be found there! AND with helpful directions in English!! For good or ill, depending on your perspective, English is the international language of business. Gon, if you can possibly see your way clear to continue with an English translation, please do so. It does make it easier for me to visit utilize your site. Certainly, I do visit use websites posted in foreign languages, but my understanding of them may be limited by translation software that often does not convey the nuances of a topic. Thank you for taking time each week to share prickings along with helpful hints for making the lace. Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bookmark exchange
I am normally a lurker, enjoying all the posts, but not knowledgeable enough to contribute. However I joined in the bookmark exchange with Amber Lackey as my partner. Unfortunately the bookmark Amber posted went astray and this morning I received a replacement bookmark from her. I wanted you all to know of her generosity and my gratitude. Thanks Amber Wendy F in beautiful Woolamai, Australia osmosis3...@gmail.com Sent from my Samsung tablet - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Brenda has hit the nail on the head. If I make a copy of a page from Brenda's thread book to take with me to a lace day so I can buy thread, that's acceptable. If I went on to sell that copy it would not be so. Ok, so the fact that Brenda often gives out info from her book completely wipes my example off the face of the earth, she is her own worst enemy. But this isn't the miss chandlers mat issue. This is a book that is easily identifiable, the author is still alive and it's in print. Any argument that these are of historical or particular interest that should result in the price being asked for is mute. The book is in print. I am sorry to say that I think the seller saw an opportunity to group items into multiple lots in order to maximise their return on investment. If we were talking about splitting a group of plates up then it would be acceptable. In an off post conversation, I had remarked to a fellow archneian that there is now a prolific action of Lacemakers worldwide who think nothing of scanning entire books and putting the, on line through Facebook But this also brings to mind a lacemaker last year who was selling off a relative's book collection. It really upset me to see that they wrote trying to charge other Lacemakers £20 for Christine Springetts lace for children of all ages. Christine sells this for about a tenner on her site. That is simply cruel to everyone to charge that amount of money. Mary Nivens Flanders book was beiNg offered for £40. She sells hers on etsy for about £13 One might forgive someone who doesn't know about lacemaking doing this but for a lacemaker to take advantage as the lady did last year is unforgivable. Please don't throw water on me and tell me it's raining. Sometimes, I'm not as green as I'm cabbage looking. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 22 Jul 2015, at 20:39, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: As I understand it the photocopies were made by the original owner of a book for his/her personal use that was legal, but to remain legal they should have remained with the book. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: [) E'Bay seller
I agree with you, Diana, that lots of people don't know about copyright law, and to that extent then one would hope that explaining it to him politely would be useful. What I object to is the tone of his two posts on Arachne, including name-calling and slurs against what country I live in. I am very surprised that he has 100% positive feedback on ebay given his readiness to resort rather rapidly to a hostile tone in his posts to Arachne. Arachne is an extremely civil and thoughtful community, and I suspect that we'd all like to see it stay that way. NancyConnecticut  From: Diana Smith diana.trevo...@btinternet.com To: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller We have all this knowledge because let's face it we go through it all regularly! This person, who has excellent one hundred per cent feedback on eBay, was not to know. So give the chap a break please ladies. Diana - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
