[lace] Nearly Finished
I have had things on my pillows that were not very large and more than half finished and then I didn't touch them for years. Sometimes I finish out of a sense of duty (blah) and sometimes I fall in love with it all over again. But lately I have been mostly tatting and inventing things in tatting and so forth. My husband has to pry my tatting out of my hands to get me to stop for the night and go to bed. But at least I finish. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] Needle covers
.. Another good idea for the protection of scissor points is to cut a short length of that green oxygen tubing (or get some kind nurse in Emergency to do it for you). It slips neatly over the points and stays there. David in Ballarat David, I use that tubing to cover those wickedly tiny size 12-16 crochet hooks! Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] handmade
Nancy and all These definitions are always a problem.. Lorelei === My personal definition of lace is string and a hole! No hole, no lace. No string, no lace. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] detailed Dress photos needed
It is the RSN (Royal School of Needlework) press release that described the Carrickmacross technique, and I guess they know what they're talking about. *** Well they are embroiderers! How do we know what they know about lace? Or how it's made! Or where it is from? I wonder, though, if there is some confusion between the lace used on the veil and the lace used on the dress, which don't look like they're made with the same technique. I am hoping that somebody with a super camera will get some extreme closeups of both the dress and the veil lace, so we can have more to go on. *** Umm I have seen the veil described as having embroidered motifs appliquéd. *** We'll just have to wait and see who knows what they are talking about, or not. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] A Different Idea of Reality!
From Liz TheLaceBee ...What I did say was she had to choose patterns to get herself to the biggy. Her response was that unless she made something that big then people at our living history events would be more impressed with what I was making. I suggested that she got another lace teacher... Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt! Wound the bobbins, set up the pillow with a simple pattern for a first attempt, demonstrated the cloth stitch. Student says,Oh no, I do it THIS way (a complete tangle, and stirring the bobbins as if she were kneading bread dough!). Never did get past her method. Sigh. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Ebay item #390300855726
I don't think the pillow is usable and it also looks to be too high. I rather think that it might have been a very fancy setup for netting or something like that. -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Waters Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:37 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Ebay item #390300855726 Apologes, I wrote a few days ago with an inquiry about an Ebay item, but I gave the wrong number. It should have been 390300855726. Does anyone recognize this? Thanks, Laurie http://lacenews.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Ebay item #390300855726
A second thought, might it be a hat stand? -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Waters Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:37 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Ebay item #390300855726 Apologes, I wrote a few days ago with an inquiry about an Ebay item, but I gave the wrong number. It should have been 390300855726. Does anyone recognize this? Thanks, Laurie http://lacenews.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Netting and embroidery on net
They found a frame with embroidered netting in a storeroom in the compound where I work. Here are some pictures of it: http://picasaweb.google.com/srclaireedith/FoundNetting?authkey=Gv1sRgCNyNmJ6 iuILSlQ It's pretty dirty. Does anyone know how I can clean it without removing it from the frame? I'd like display it as-is. Sr. Claire = I like Orvus, which is used by soaking the article in question and then rinsing. I would think that making a solution of Orvus and putting it in a spray bottle, then spraying the work in situ, followed by a spray of clear water until no bubbles appear might work. Repeat as necessary. It doesn't look like the device holding the work would suffer any loss from this procedure either. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
RE: [lace-chat] Trying to verify if this collar was crocheted
I've raised this collar before. Previously I wanted to know the when. Now I know the when, and the who; I want to know the how. It looks crocheted. Was this collar crocheted, or was there another way it could have been made? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~villandra/Tabitha.html Yours, Villandra === I absolutely think the collar is crocheted. It's just the sort of thing to wear against predominantly dark clothing. The pattern of diamond shapes with diamond shaped spaces would be a snap to produce in crochet working in rows. Patty Dowden To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
RE: [lace] Unusual Torah binder (bobbin lace)
There a Torah binder in the collection made of bobbin lace. It's undated and only identified as Italian and sewn onto a silk backing. I've never seen anything like it -- very freeform. I was just wondering whether anyone might know anything about this style of lace. http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr/4990969792/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr/4990968954/ I see a definite repeating pattern in the lace and my first thought was Binche, but not wild enough for Binche and I don't see any clear indication of 2 pairs per pin or snowflakes, but ALMOST snowflakes. It does not look like the meandering Italian or Flemish earlier laces, but may be related to what became the Low Country domestic laces that were documented in the Die Linencast series from OIDFA. Was there any hint of the timeframe for the lace? Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
RE: [lace] Thread question
Only one of the skeins still has a tag on it. The label reads: No. 4 LCF Coeur de Lin Superfin 300 Tours Has anyone heard of it? Thanks, Sr. Claire = Coeur de Lin = Heart of Linen Superfin = Very Fine 300 Tours = 300 Turns It sounds like one of the many needle working threads from the 1800s-early 1900s. Is it natural color and shiny? That would make it a very good thread to work lace with. If it is 3 ply linen, it would be excellent to use, 2 ply would be a little rougher. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Identifying a piece of lace.
Anyway! Why I really wanted to post a message. Could someone please identify this type of lace? I'm at a complete loss to be honest. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4889690935_fddc9ecd98_b.jpg Thank you in advance! Nathalie = Firstly it is a tape lace. The openness of the work inclines me to think that whoever made is a beginner and doesn't have the technique mastered. There is a gimp down the center of the tape but unlike most tape lace traditions it is not cabled (2 gimps twisted around each other as they pass through the workers). Also the gimp is woefully thin. Gimps lacking presence don't do much for the impact of the lace. The footside seems a little different, but the lace is rather rumpled and I can't get a good look at it. The footside might tell us something, but I can't see it well enough. So, bottom line, I suspect that a very beginning lacemaker attempted something that they don't have mastery of. The lace pattern is vague. Sorry I can't help more than that. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Ruskin lace
At 09:00 AM 2/8/2009, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote: Hello Again! I am writing to ask for counseling on Ruskin lace. A friend registered for an EGA RL class (seminar this fall) but it was over-booked she did not get a space. I have lots of resources on needlelace that I could lend, including the Lace Guild booklet. Also, am I wrong in seeing a four-sided stitch similarity with Casalguidi? The E. Prickett site has lots of examples, so am I correct in thinking that it is the arrangement placement of motifs that sets Ruskin apart from other types of needlelace? As well as having been invented at a much later date than other types? Will someone enlighten me? Many thanks. Susan, Erie, PA To the best of my knowledge, Ruskin lace and Casalguidi are revivals of drawn thread work (the work that gave birth to punto in aria, the first true needle lace being without a fabric foundation). As such, the authors of the revivals may have emphasized certain aspects more than others or developed certain stylistic interpretations but it is all the same type of drawn work, embroidery, and needleweaving techniques. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace books
At 05:10 AM 2/4/2009, Nancy Nicholson wrote: As a relatively newcomer to lace I have been buying lace books as and when I can afford it. I have at the moment The Book of Bobbin Lace Stitches by Cook Stott and have just bought Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace by Cook. I have just noticed another one called Introduction to Bobbin Lace Stitches by Cook Stott at a reasonable price. Is it worth getting this book or will it just be duplicating the rest? Would it be better for a newbie? Thanks in advance Nancy in Dundee, Scotland where there is a very fine snow shower All three books are excellent and cover different aspects of bobbin lace. The Book of Bobbin Lace Stitches shows all the details of how to make specific stitches. You will return to it again and again in your lacemaking career. It covers many laces from all over the world. Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace shows methods from many different lace traditions that are more extensive than the process of individual stitches. This is the bible of lacemaking, because it covers so much. The Introduction to Bobbin Lace takes you from the very beginning of making bobbin lace and lays things out in an orderly progression to help get you started. I can recommend all these books as a solid foundation to your lacemaking library. Getting all this information from the same set of authors is a great benefit as it will be more consistent. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Interesting Lace Find!
There are telltale signs of this being barmen lace. The spiders have 2 extra pairs running through the middle because spiders get wiggly at the middle spot without that support. The half stitch looks like lazy cloth stitch and only leans a bit instead of actually having 3 axis'. The tallies are very skinny and the ends don't have much shape. These traits are all due to the limited amount of motion that each bobbin can travel laterally and can't travel at all above the plane where the lace is made; unlike lace made by a lacemaker, who can leverage the thread any amount they wish in any direction to achieve the look they want. So while barmen lace can copy the crosses and twists, it can't perfectly reproduce the tensioning that is so important to handmade laces. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace-chat] The Blonde Bloke That Was
At 06:08 AM 1/31/2009, David in Ballarat wrote: At 08:51 AM 31/01/2009, you wrote: David in Ballarat - who used to be very blonde. Does that mean you are now VERY, VERY blonde, approaching silver OR Does that mean you fixed your own lunches? That means that I'm mainly bald!!! - with still some blond around the rim :) David To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Need Help Identifying Pulled Thread Embroidery Design
At 04:04 AM 1/29/2009, Avital wrote: It looks like South American/Mexican drawn work to me. Is that possible? Is Alex Stillwell on lace chat? She would probably know. Avital I don't think the pulled thread work has enough distinctive points to identify it by locale. It's pretty generic drawn thread embroidery. This is the sort of work that Ramona (in the novel Ramona about a Spanish girl who fell in love with an Indian man and married him) made her living with. This kind of needle work as plentiful during the mid 1800s. Patty On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Tamara P Duvall t...@rockbridge.net wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:39, Lois Mackin wrote: I would like to know if anyone can identify the design. Is it American? Is it Polish? Is it Lithuanian? Can anyone suggest a date? Probably not Polish. I don't know much about Polish embroidery but, according to the book I have (Polski haft ludowy -- Polish Folk Embroidery), what little of pulled-thread embroidery there was, seemed to have been done in the western and central parts of Poland, not in the eastern part. And it was mostly floral, rather than geometric, the way your piece is. But I can't say for certain-sure; negative evidence is always less illuminating than positive evidence. It's not in the book, but does it mean it wasn't made, or that none srvived (the book deals with costumes, rather than home furnishings), or that the author didn't come accross any examples? -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace] Bobbin activity.....an update.
At 10:47 AM 1/24/2009, Brian Lemin wrote: ... There are two small bones (matched!) which one museum has labeled bobbins but then put an iron age label on them. They are pretty certain that the Iron age is an OK date so I have dropped investigating these completely, though of all the possible bobbins that are actually bone that I have seen, these look possible. The other two bobbins I have looked at are given a Roman dating, though they admit to the possibility of them being wrong. They were unearthed at a Roman site, but may well have been lost there at a much later date. At least they are turned bone and sort of bobbin like, they are incomplete but we, including the curator, have decided that they are much more like Parchment prickers so I have laid the matter to rest there. ... Iron age and Roman would lead me to consider weaving implements (after all, bobbin lace is a weaving lace). Fine weaving has been practiced for a very long time. King David in Israel was an Iron Age king. Penelope waiting for Ulysses even earlier. Not mention the Egyptians who were extremely adept weavers. Of the top of my head Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace-chat] Easter!!!!!!
At 12:27 AM 1/5/2009, Jean Nathan wrote: From my ISP's new pages Shoppers at a supermarket were stunned to see Easter eggs on sale - four days after Christmas. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK === The absolute end will come when greeting cards are available with the motto Happy Everything! Patty shaking her head and getting the giggles To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace] Mixing fibers and gimp question
At 05:37 PM 1/2/2009, Dona Bushong wrote: ...Before leaving Belgium I purchased some lovely white linen yardage with the intention of making lace for a Christening gown. I've found the perfect pattern by way of Sally Barry's Luton books along with her generous input to the NELG newsletter. The newsletter contained both an insert as well as an edging of the same pattern. It's #B.35, Corona, from book 2. My first question concerns the thread. The pattern calls for Egyptian Cotton 80/2. As I said though, I'm putting this on linen. Does one usually mix fibers for the lace and fabric? I know from knitting and spinning that mixing of fibers can give different results when it comes to laundering. And as I hope this will get passed down from my daughters to their children, will the different fibers age differently? If I should use a linen thread what would be an equivalent? I have a conversion chart but it shows no match for a linen thread in comparison to the Egyptian Cotton 80/2. My second question concerns the pattern itself - the gimp actually. The pattern calls for 2 pair of gimp and where the fingers are I can see where each pair go. What I'm unclear of though, is the gimp around the honeycomb. Does or could one double up the gimp around the honeycomb between each pattern or would it be preferable to start and stop the gimp with each pattern? I'm still in the early planning stage of this project so appreciate any and all advice. Dona in West River, MD (at least for another 6-9 months) Finding a linen as fine as Egyptian 80/2 would be a great trick. The finest linen I have is 140/2 and it is 46 wraps compared to the Egyptian 80/2 at 50 wraps which would be rather thicker and 2 ply linen does have slubs. I would stick to the 80/2 Egyptian cotton. Also, mixing the linen fabric and the cotton lace shouldn't be a problem. If the linen fabric is washed before the garment construction, there should be very little stress between the fabric and the lace. When laundering the resulting christening gown, press the lace first and then press the fabric to suit it. That will result in the least stress to the work. I have more general advice about gimp to start. Firstly, make sure it is sufficiently larger than the 80/2 cotton to show up. Generally, a gimp should be 4 - 6 times thicker than the body of the lace. If you have some gimp that starts and stops, I would consider plying the gimp so that when you end a gimp motif, you can feather the ends of the gimp instead of the lump that so often happens. Regarding the pattern and the paths for the gimp, do you mean that there is a section where there are four separate paths for the gimp which alternates with a section of honeycomb where there are only 2 paths for the gimp? In that case, I would double the gimp. No sense having all those loose ends. Best of luck with your happy project Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lorelei's website to be up again!!!
Then there is all the computer work preparatory to getting my website up again. Lots to do! Happy New Year everybody. Lorelei Dear Lorelei, Thank you so much! I can't tell you how much I have missed the enormous amount of information on your website! Just when I knew enough to make something of it, I felt the loss dramatically. Best wishes and a very happy new year! Patty byte me That's some attitude! You go! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Bertha Pappenheim
At 06:27 PM 12/16/2008, Laurie Waters wrote: I just bought a book called Spitzen und so Weiter (Lace and So On), it's the catalog of the exhibition of Bertha Pappenheim's lace collection at the MAK - Österreichisches Museum fuer angewandte Kunst/Gegenwartskunst in Vienna. I think the exhibition ran until last March. Pappenheim was a suffragette and philanthropist, but is most famous for being Anna O, a famous psycoanalysis patient of Freud. Now I don't have much regard for psycoanalysis, and can't speak to Pappenheim's state of mind, but I know from personal experience that collecting lace can drive you crazy. And the better the lace is, the worse you get. She must have been in very bad shape, because her lace is absolutely amazing. Everyone interesting in collecting lace should get this catalog. Laurie But I can't find this catalog on the museum site. Got any clues how to obtain a copy? I am fascinated. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] My mind forgot, but my fingers remembered
A short while ago, Sister Claire was asking about winding bobbins. I replied with the method I was taught, but have come to discover that it was not the method I USE. And for the life of me, I could not consciously remember exactly how it is that I wind bobbins. SO, I just took some bobbins in hand and started to wind 'em until I caught myself in the act! How funny! I had to sneak up on myself to see how I actually do it. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] [Lace] Sewings
I have a question over people's sewing out habits. I am mostly finished with Claudine Beuvain's Carton Cle de Sol (musical clef) and have used the tactic of sewing out from one patch of ground, across my torchon outline and re-sew in to use the thread in the other type of ground. Is bad technique just to save thread and the hassle of sewing back through my piece? I thought that as its behind the piece it shouldn't show too much. Does anyone else use this approach or is it a better practice to sew out and restart afresh? Intrigued in soggy Ireland Rhiannon = Dear Rhiannon, It's lacer's choice! If you are happy with the result, go for it! And you have a lot of lace history on your side. One of the classic identification clues between Flemish and Milanese tape lace is that the Flemish lacers worked the ground the way you did and the Italians generally did not. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ground terminology
On the topic of the Carton Cle de Sol I wondered if anyone else had completed this project, I still cannot work out the last ground type she used. Her list gives mariage simple; dieppe; alencon; torchon fond a la rose I. I asked a while back for translations of these first three as i thought i knew the last two. However, it seems from the replies that dieppe is basically torchon ground am I correct? So why list both of these? Rhiannon Hello again Rhiannon, There is a difference between Torchon ground and Dieppe ground. Torchon is CT pin CT Dieppe is CT pin CTT I am very fond of Dieppe ground and it does have a different visual effect. Hope this helps you decide what you want to do next. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Any ideas on what this is?
At 05:19 PM 9/2/2008, Adele Shaak wrote: I don't recall seeing any responses to this post - maybe everybody else is flummoxed, too? I think it's part of a fishing rod - possibly you stuck a reed on the spindle part to make a full-sized rod - but I'm just going on my imagination and have no real knowledge. I certainly can't think of any way this contraption could be used for lacemaking. Any ideas on what this item is on ebay? http://tinyurl.com/59c2ku Item number 320292495309 described as: Vintage Pimative wood lace maker spindle spool reel Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK It is a sewing awl used for leather or canvas. That was my immediate notion and it took some research to confirm it. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Mixing Threads
Wendy St Dogmaels wrote: I am making an edging, the book says to use DMC Cotton Perle 8 with DMC 80 Cordonnet Special. Well I have the Perle but didn't have any Cordonnet, so I have used Venus 70 instead. My problem is that it is very hard work as they seem to be fighting each other by that I mean that tensioning is very difficult as they don't slide if that is the right word. I have also substituted the Perle for double Venus for the outer fan edging so I could have the right colour. == Perle Cotton has low twist, and 2 plies, which makes it kind of sticky. The Venus 70 is an apt replacement for DMC 80 Cordonnet Special, both are about the same size and 6 plies, tightly twisted. Well, first off, if threads don't slide well against each other, there are two solutions: 1. Tension harder. I worked a pattern in 40/3 linen and it was like pulling rope! Working that pattern was like being at the gym, a real workout. 2. Tension more often, so the stickiness doesn't accumulate. Is there a tip so that I can ensure this doesn't happen when I try to use substitute threads. If only we had the money to get the correct threads each time. === There's no guarantee that the correct threads will be any more well-behaved than a substitute. I am slowly building up my thread library so fingers crossed in the next 30 years I might have the right ones each time LOL. = As for having the right threads in hand? LOL, ROTFL I have enough thread to open a store, (too true!!) and I still buy it by the handful! Even if you have the right thread, is it the right color? I like Tamara's answer to the problem, in that she bought the whole color line of a thread, but I haven't done it yet. Dunno why, maybe it's because I think it's too confining Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] webshots problem
At 07:44 AM 8/30/2008, Janice Blair wrote: ... I was experimenting and I was able to put a photo on (the chick and egg design), without a password, but there is no where to select a means of deleting a photo. Does anyone known how I can achieve that? Janice Hi Janice, Since, in their infinite wisdom, Webshots can change anything they want to, whenever they want to, I went to have a peek. If you are logged in as Arachne2003, when you open an album, each thumbnail has a little black box in the lower right hand corner. I right clicked it to see what it was and, sure enough, that's the Delete Button. You can puzzle a lacemaker, but not a gang of them! Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycomb delight
Dear Friends, Don't you just love doing Honeycomb stitch??? I do. I did a big mob of it today. I just find it so gorgeous with it's tessellating hexagons - not to mention the way it fills whole areas so quickly. Perhaps you have a favourite stitch you'd like to tell us about David in Ballarat Hi All, Yes I love honeycomb. (David, are you working on the Toender again?) To me, it is always SO point ground, although you see it in other laces. too. The first time i worked it in a little Bucks edging, I wrote in ecstasy to the list about all the bubbles on my pillow. And I am definitely in the halfstitch camp. I love half stitch in Chantilly, where it positively scintillates, since the tilt of each bit of half stitch changes. It's kind of the same effect as Thai silk where the warp and the weft are different colors (sometimes called shot silk?). In Chantilly, you add and remove pairs madly to keep the half stitch consistent, instead of letting it inflate and deflate to cover the available territory. But what could keep happy enough to skip meals is Binche snowflakes! sigh.. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycombe delight
At 04:44 PM 8/29/2008, Janice Blair wrote: Mark, I think your fan has Roseground not Honeycombe. Honeycombe has six pinholes, one at top, two on the sides and one at the bottom. It is usually surrounded by a gimp which makes it look like round holes. It is also one of my favorites. Roseground is definitely not a favorite of mine. I seem to get lost and there are so many variations I tend to forget which one I am doing and make a mess of it. Roseground is a Torchon stitch and Honeycomb is a point ground stitch. Mark wrote: I think it has the honeycomb stitch if I am not mistaken: http://www.tat-man.net/bobbinlace/BLtorchonfan.html === I do believe that Mark has Honeycomb stitch in the 4 petal flowers closer to the upper edge. In Torchon, Honeycomb stitch comes out elongated and looks more like ovals than circles from the 45 degree ground vs. round in the 60 degree (or so) ground in point ground. Roseground is easier in Torchon since every corner gets a pin. (At least, I think so). Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] The origin of sundae
Ice cream sundaes are peculiarly American. Here's a web site with some of its history http://tinyurl.com/5qsj9n To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Missed messages
At 12:16 PM 8/29/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep seeing responses to messages from David Collyer but I don't see the originals ever. I don't understand how this can be as I don't seem to be missing anyone else's. Can anyone with more computer know how than I (not difficult that!) offer any kind of explanation? Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Well, David is in Australia and a lot of the replies are coming from the U.S. and other parts west of both you and David. The International Date Line may be re-ordering the messages as they come in. The replies may be coming in the day before David's post! He was trying to go to bed as I recall. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Lace earth-moving machines
Admittedly, the subject is related to lace but it would be a bit of a stretch to post this to the lace list so I'm posting to lace chat. http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/lacy-steampunk-earth.html Description: Artist Wim Delvoye's Gothic series features a collection of beautiful earth-moving equipment that's been painstakingly laser-cut with ornate, lacy designs. Not very practical for moving boulders but rather pretty. Avital == These machines are a riot! I have lots of experience hanging around these big machines. The art made of earthmovers is quite a mindbending thought. WOW! Thanks Avital. I also got a chuckle out of some of the comments on boing!boing!. They are texted and completely unintelligible to me! Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] My experience of Cantu Lace
I took a class in Cantu from Vera Cockyut several years ago at the Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, California and received her book as part of my class materials. While her self publications are pretty basic on the printing side, their content is quite comprehensive. A clearly remember my reaction to several aspects of working Cantu for someone who had only worked Torchon previously. The patterns are just lines! EEk! Faint! Okay, I am getting up off the floor now. The stems, which are tapes -- with ATTITUDE, are worked fairly free hand, no matter what your style -- in your hand or on the pillow. After working the weaver through the passives, with the passives under tension, like a loom, you can set the worker at will. Also, to keep your stems orderly and proceeding as intended, you simply stab them to the pricking (if you want to call it that!) to keep them from wriggling off. No restraints from edge pins. You just make some stem and eyeball it to the pattern, tug a passive or 2 to curve it one way or the other, stab, and proceed. The left side of the tape is a bundle, a small number of pairs, loosely braided to keep them from rioting. When you work across the stem, when you get to the bundle you just wrap the workers around the bundle and work back to the right side which you turn without benefit of a pin, a net, or an ambulance. The curling shapes of Cantu, it was suggested, are a reference to the ancient Roman stone work littering the countryside. I guess if you grow up among Corinthian columns, you make lace that looks like it. When It comes time to ornament your swirling, stabbed stem, some number (terribly precise, yes?) goes frolicking off to the left or right and becomes a flag, a flower or merely connects back to previous frolics. I was shocked, amazed, intrigued and my orderly concept of pin-to-pin lacemaking went out the window completely. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] stone
dear lacers what is the equivalent for american pounds for stone in weight thanks yours in lace Dearl Christiansburg, Virginia, USA A stone is 20 US pounds. I was taught by some Catholic religious brothers in high school and Brother Samuel reported that he had gained some weight to his mother in a letter, but had used American weights, i.e. pounds and she was practically hysterical when she thought he had gained 10 stone! (200 pounds!) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lifting lace
Hi De Hi I am about to make a lace horseshoe and have found on making the last one that the lace keeps lifting off the pillow when I am going around the bend of the shoe. Is this happening because I am not angleing my pins properly or is it normal. Wendy St Dogmales == Hi Wendy, The most probable cause of the horseshoe lifting off the pillow is that you are tensioning harder as you go around the curve. The simplest fix is to move the pillow often so that the row you are working on has the passives coming straight at you. If you can work a bookmark (straight down) to your satisfaction (regarding the tension), then moving the pillow will help a lot. If the passives are bunching up on one side or the other, work the row, tension the weaver first and set the edge pin and then tension each passive while maintaining tension on the weaver. Don't start the next row until you are satisfied with the current row's tension on the weaver pair and the passives. When the weaver changes direction around the pin, it is set, almost locked into position. Changing it later is not really possible. Tensioning the workers should be a pull to the left or right. Trying to work at another angle just doesn't come out right. Since every row around a curve is at a different angle, you need to keep the work moving so that your tension can produce the effect you want. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] On eBay: Heather Toomer Lace
Lace, a Guide to Identification of Old Lace Types and Techniques eBay number 180279434200 [] Buy it Now $31.08 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] A question
At 01:52 AM 8/6/2008, you wrote: I don't do much tape lace so it's probably down to my inexperience but can anyone tell me why when I place the pin at the right hand side of the work I get a nicely formed loop but when I work the left hand side the loop is much smaller and not so well formed. I angle my pins and tension the same but there is still a difference between one side and the other. Hope this makes sense. Ann Yorkshire UK Most probably, it is a tension issue. Since most people are decidedly one handed (left or right), it takes time to get your tension even on both sides. It sounds like, even though it is the left hand that suffers, you may be pulling harder on the right side and strangling the left. I would guess that you don't pull as hard on the left side, so the right side stays the way you intended. Conversely, you may actually be trying too hard when setting the left pin, but I am less inclined to think this could be the problem. I am assuming that you have a worker going back and forth across some cloth stitch and that you are not talking about making picots. If it is picots that are in trouble on the left, just try to relax the tension a bit. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Representation of lace
Now, I take issue with the claim that tatting is related to macrame. Tatting is a single thread, or two at most, worked in loops. Macrame is many threads, each following its own path and interacting in many ways with its neighbors. Very different! I agree. But there is one similarity which I have noticed which perhaps explains the comparison, inappropriate as it may be. That is that the lark's head knot usually used to begin macrame looks quite similar to the knot worked over the base thread in tatting. Vicki in hot steamy Maryland Bingo! The Tatting stitch, which Tatters call a double stitch, is a pair of half hitches, which are knots. Tatting is a knotted lace. So Tatting is more than faintly related to Macrame, which can also produce lacelike fabrics. Half of a double stitch is also exactly the same as a buttonhole stitch and some Tatting stitch formations use only one half of a double stitch repeated, so there is a kinship with needle laces. Knotting, which preceded Tatting, is different in that Knotting was produced with overhand knots: single, double, multiple overhand wraps; and Tatting instead uses half hitches which have more flexibility in the methods that can induce the thread to behave as desired. The development of Tatting is definitely an 1800s process. While individuals may have conceived of the basics of Tatting at different times and different places, the flowering of Tatting was Victorian. Mlle. Branchardiere, we salute you ( her works are available in the Digital Archive at weaving.net). Since the expression of Tatting is so relatively recent, there is a record of the development process. Patty (sniffling in misery from the smoke contaminated air in California, can't see the hills that form the Silicon Valley!) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: [lace] Spare thread
I think I may have just discovered the cause of my bobbins unwinding while I work. Not all of them, but some. Could this be due to me winding the bobbins improperly, against the curve of the thread? It's a real pain having to rewind bobbins at frequent intervals, and this happened when I did Torchon and it happens now with the Cantu even more. Sr. Claire Dear Sr. Claire The infamous wild bobbins are generally caused by an insufficient grip of the hitch. From your description, I would diagnose that some hitches are backwards or possibly that you need a double hitch to hold the particular thread you are using. When I wind a bobbin, I hold it in my right hand and wrap it a couple of times just until the thread doesn't slip. The direction I wrap it in is so that the thread goes over the top of the bobbin (away from me). Then I switch to twisting the bobbin itself toward me. When you have enough thread on the bobbin, the hitch comes next. Here is how I make a double hitch. I grab the thread below the wound bobbin with the fingers of my left hand and stick my thumb up. While holding the thread in the fingers of my left hand, I wrap the thread around my left thumb clockwise from front to back. There is now a loop of thread around my thumb with the thread from the wound bobbin on top of thread leading to the spool of the thread. Now I insert the bobbin up through the bottom of the loop on my thumb. This loop is in the opposite direction of the thread wound on the bobbin. To complete the double hitch, I dip the bobbin back through the same loop and pull out the slack. The bobbin should now stay where you put it and not go wild any more. There are some notions about winding one way or the other depending on the twist of the thread, but I have never noticed a lick of difference no matter what I use or how it is spun; cotton, linen or silk, wire or rayon. Good luck with your bobbins, Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: [lace-chat] extreme ironing
hey - y'all ready for the newest sport? http://www.extremeironing.com/ :) Regards, Ricky T in Utah Splutter! Cough! Ironing I can't remember the last time I did that! For Sport??? Extreme or otherwise?!!!?? ROTFLOL! Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Fan edging
At 09:43 AM 6/30/2008, Karen wrote: No...still confused...What do you mean with a straight lace with fans in the design? Is it that the fans are not on the outer edge? Karen Hi Karen, In Torchon, the design of the cloth stitch is generally diagonal. At the headside, this leaves a deep V that needs to be filled with something. As a break from all that geometric straightness, instead of working something on the grid, rounded fans often are inserted instead. The roundness is produced by influencing the passives to swell outward and back. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan edging
At 04:32 AM 6/28/2008, Wendy Davies wrote: Hi All Have any of you please got any advice on how to get my fans looking curved. I have tried most things from different tension to rearranging the passives but no luck. Mine are looking too flat instead of rounded, sometimes they work ( but I keep forgetting what I have done to get it right) but I have more flat than round. thanks Wendy St Dogmaels 1. Always pull the passive pair outward (away from the footside) when working the worker pair through the passive. After the worker pair has gone through the passive, tension the worker and arrange the passive where you want it to be. 2. Put a pin under the passive pair to keep it where you want it to be. Analysis: Getting a rounded fan requires that the passive pairs be slightly longer than would be achieved with normal tensioning. The extra length allows the passives to curve. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] French translations
Hi Rhiannon, This is quite a collection of terms! Where did you find these? Context would be helpful, but this is what I came up with. Could someone help clarify some stitches for me: point de tige embroidery stitch english = stem stitch dieppe bobbin lace stitch CT pin CTT Torchon with an extra twist alencon type of needle lace mariage simple Point de marriage, according to the Encylopedia of Needlework is Honeycomb stitch Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace ID
At 08:40 PM 6/21/2008, Kathryn Nuttall wrote: Can anyone identify this type of lace? http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg It looks to me most like Miracourt, a french lace, late 19th century, much used on furnishings and trimmings. The fact that it sort of looks like duchesse on a coarser scale and the half stitch motifs with a large gimp convince me. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Pam's wedding trousseau
Dear Pam, You are indeed fortunate to have a lacemaker of your mum's caliber (Pat Hallam) to play wedding fairy. I fairly swooned to think of the amount of lace dripping off your wedding gown. Would it be possible to pop some pictures onto the Arachne webshots? I promise not to drool on them, honest! Arachne webshots: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date login: arachne2003 password: honiton Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honiton/Milanese
From Wendy Davies ... To my inexperienced eye they look very similar can you tell me what the difference is as I have seen lovely Honiton patterns that I want to do but as yet have only learned Milanese and Torchon. thanks = Wendy, Trust your instincts. I have long said that Honiton is a tape lace. Honiton has had some unfortunate dips into the Slugs and Snails end of the tape lace world, but it does demonstrate that part laces are similar to tape laces. I think the biggest difference between Honiton and Milanese is the intention and the emphasis. MIlanese is a decorated tape that meanders to form a design. Honiton is more pictorial and the elements serve the picture, although many traditional motifs have all but lost their original design reference. and seem more geometrical. Generally, Honiton is worked in finer thread than Milanese and Honiton includes a coarse thread for added texture and definition. They are both worked with fillings between the major elements. The range of fillings has some overlap, but Honiton employs tallies while MIlanese generally does not. These are enormous generalities, since both Honiton and Milanese have centuries long histories. But your eye is true. They have similarities greater than many other pairs of laces. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: origin of a word
My choice for a palliative might be the aperitive (or aperitif) that Tamara was referring to. But don't tell those primitives, my relatives, or their agent operatives since it is none of their business what I use for a restorative. Devon ~ Well done! Bravo! Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: [lace-chat] Hand or Machine?
At 01:11 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: Evening fellow spiders I've just found the following on ebay (the english site) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cotton-Lace-Fabric-Handmade-Patchwork-Quilting-Dress_W0QQitemZ310058003136QQihZ021QQcategoryZ19319QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Now which is it hand or machine? Sue in East Yorkshire This is machine made lace. As the listing says, Nottingham machine lace. What made you question this? Or have they changed the listing since you saw it? Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Gimps
Morning Arachneans all .. I agree with Clay that there probably isn't that many of us on here that are 'historically correct' so, make lace, enjoy it and love it is my advice! (Am now prepared to be shot down in flames, being a 'newbie') Looking forward to the replies! Sue in East Yorkshire Dear Sue, Arachnes don't shoot newbies, in flames or otherwise. You may surprise us at times, but usually the tone is more I never thought about it that way. Lace is thread and holes. Lacer's choice always rules. Keep your posts coming, they have been very interesting. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] ebay bobbin lace?
190224579806 Is it bobbin lace? Jenny Brandis == Most assuredly bobbin lace. Quite a mix of techniques, large scale, turns corners. I would say handmade, but I could be wrong. The turned corners are what decided me. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Unicorn pattern in Russian tape lace
At 02:32 AM 5/21/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now what do you think would it violate the pattern if I did a wilder Grund (wilde ground: CT-CTCT-CT-CTCT and the next row CTCT-CT- etc.) Hi Martine, The wilder grund is one of my favorites. I think it would be perfect for a Unicorn! Patty (who believes that patterns are only a suggestion!) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Variegated thread
Any hints about using variegated thread successfully? I've been using some Valdani thread as workers in a piece of Torchon and it's comming out in regular stripes - not the effect I wanted at all. Other times I've used it and the patterns been completely lost and a mess. What's the trick? Hilary Wedderburn Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] The way that variegated thread works out is related to the length of thread that each color occupies and how well it matches or doesn't with the width of the lace you work across. If the thread changes color at some even multiple of the width of the work, it will look stripey. It usually works out best is the is enough of one color to work a couple of times across the width of the lace and then changes in the middle of a row. Stripes are an effect of short color changes, which is what the Valdani threads do. ( I have some, and just checked.) Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] My Torchon Story
When I started following the lessons in Rosemary Shepherd's Introduction to Bobbin Lace I ran smack into the issue of not being able to finish lace well (invisibly). I worked on it some, but being too new, I just couldn't figure it out. I tried Beds and had the same problem. Open laces require clean finishes. So I just moved on over to laces where I could hide my ends. Bucks, Flanders, Binche, Milanese, etc. I FLED from Torchon, not because it was only a beginner's lace or just something else, but purely because I felt I couldn't do the lace justice without finishing it well. And since I don't like lumpy lace, I had to leave it for a time (rather longer than I expected, but art is long and life is short). Recently attempted a s'Gravensmor lace and, as expected, ran into Torchon type issues in which I lack experience (over and above the vertical half stitch). But now I feel like I have the tricks in my bag to deal with Torchon. As ever, in the contrarian point of view. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lurker update
Well I did it!! The sun was shining, all your mails behind me, so I prepared a pricking, and step by step I started making lace! Angela Bravo Angela! Well Done! I am so glad your fingers remember (had no doubt they would) Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Rosalibre
What is Rosalibre?? Sue in East Yorkshire Oh my! And Tamara hasn't answered yet! Rosalibre is a new lace invented by Cathy Belleville in the tradition of Brussels laces, whose previous last lace was Rosaline. It is fun, full of color and lots of interesting tricks. Tamara is quite the inventor with this lace and has come up with all kinds of interesting twists (cross twists, that is) Just Google up images and search for Roselibre and you can see some. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Wire for Tatting
Hi Patty, Might I ask you what wire you use to tat? Thanks, Nancy = I have used several different weights to Tat, but the most successful was 2 plies of AWG 40-something nickel wire for winding electric motors. Here's a link to Arachne Webshots for a picture: http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2352827590048870129abqGRX Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Beds Bookmark in Color
Is the pattern for the Beds Book Mark available anywhere? That is something I would like to try, I love the way you added color (or is the pattern designed that way?). Lorri Here's a link to Arachne Webshots for a picture: http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2352827590048870129abqGRXhttp://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2352827590048870129abqGRX +++ Here's the story: The pattern is 'August' designed by Carol Andrews on page 102 of Barbara Underwood's A Bedfordshire Lace Collection. Since it was a summery theme, I chose a bright yellow cotton to work it in. At the time, Cathy Belleville was running a lace class for the Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, and she said something close to the following But the barley needs to be gold, doesn't it ?! (Leading me down the garden path, she was) So, in the end, the yellow is cotton and all the other colors are silks. Since Beds is a lace where you can add and throw out at will, changing the colors worked rather nicely. The leaf tallies are hiding all kinds of mayhem. What I personally like best are the sunflowers, they seem so alive! If you wish to perpetrate this yourself, I can give you some hints, but since the threads were talking to me, I can't give you a blow by blow. One hint, I do remember. When you knot silk, dampen it with a drop of water, otherwise the knot will just slither out of its constraints. Good luck! Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lady Penelope
Noelene, you can't be serious! I count it a red letter day when we are graced with one of your poems. I have also reached the age where I meet new friendly people every day (no matter how long I have known them! Your lovely rhymes are a delight. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: what did you do before bobbin lace
Having always (and still) been a stringaholic, I have and still do: needle lace, tatting, crochet, macrame, embroidery and anything else that comes along. I am seriously considering needle lace in wire. I think it would work. Tatting does! I recall my older brother at about age 8, tying some toothpicks together with sewing thread and then proceeding to weave a very respectable simple piece of fabric. My mother gave me a scrap of machine lace that I worried over for a long time, trying to figure out HOW they got the threads to move that way. So, 1 - I noticed that it wasn't just over, under, over, under; 2 - I knew that over, under, over, under was plain cloth and never would have produced this wonder in my hand. Eventually, I acquired the DMC Encyclopedia of Needlework and actually learned how to make bobbin lace from it. (That must be worth a prize in itself!) This being in my macrame phase, and lacking any proper lacemaking tools, I butterflied my threads (silver cord), and used my T-pins and produced ribbons for wrapping Christmas presents. Before Straw Into Gold closed (wonderful thread place in Berkeley, CA), my husband and I wandered through it for most of an afternoon. He couldn't understand why I didn't want a spinning wheel and a loom (always the techie and fascinated by machinery!). My answer was Life is too short!. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Miracourt lace item
At 12:07 PM 4/16/2008, Alice Howell wrote: Here is a Mirecourt lace piece listed as a collar. I understood Mirecourt as being used mainly for household used. This looks to me like the corner off something, rather than a collar. Usually lace made for a collar has the two front sections matching. This looks like an edging that has been neatly trimmed between repeats. What do you think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-HANDMADE-FRENCH-MIRECOURT-BOBBIN-LACE-COLLAR-LG_W0QQitemZ130213462470 Wonder of wonders, the lace ID is right. From the copious pictures, someone took a piece of Mirecourt and rearranged it to make this asymmetrical collar. This definitely looks like lace made for furnishings, but I think the rework is good. Definitely eye-catching. Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Miracourt lace item
Definitely hand made. Handmade does not imply perfection. After the 312th repeat of something, I would be apt to make a mistake! Also, if the pricking is wrong and the lacemaker is not up to fixing it or is told to work it as it is, well there will be inconsistencies. Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Another odd item on Ebay
Hi Sue, I went to look, sucker for curiosity and left the seller a note. When I saw it I said, It's a tuffet!. So the joke is on the seller. It really is a tuffet, she said, smirking. A good one for April Fool's Patty Found this on ebay this morning: Item number 150232034247 I'm sure it's a footstool!!! (I suppose one could always make lace with the feet!!) (It's for those among us whose arms aren't long enough for them to be able to see clearly!!!) Sue in a sunny but windy East Yorkshire To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Luminous Watts Chapel
Dear Janice, I am nuts about Art Nouveau. These pictures are fabulous! Thanks so much. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] $65,000 Lace Fan
About the lace: Point Ground, most likely not Chantilly because of cloth stitch motifs. Has the lighter, grayer color of black silk like Bayeaux Chantilly, therefore less likely to rot from excessive iron black dye. The style is curious and probably a Russian flavored Art Nouveau. Unlike most European Chantilly fans, the lace is mounted on a neutral colored silk lining. I'd give a lot to see a close up picture that shows the thread paths. Patty Dowden Just up from a glorious winter nap. It is COLD in sunny Silicon Valley today, hovering around 45 degrees Fahrenheit. Bev Walker wrote: Hi Jeri and everyone Thankyou for the link! The detailed photos of the decorations on the fan are excellent - but not much about the lace? Anyone have any ideas about it (maker, designer, is it silk?) Jeri Ames wrote: Shown on page 247 of December 2007 Architectural Digest magazine - Imperial Russian tortoiseshell-and-black-lace fan. Has a diamond-and-silver cipher of Empress Maria Feodorovna, the mother of Czar Nicholas II. You can see it (and details) at (http://www.romanovrussia.com) - click on the blinking Welcome at top center, then go to page 1. Enjoy! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Breaking threads
Hi Alison, Well, the possible culprits to your breaking cotton thread 1. A weak spot on the spool of thread 2. Some weird dye interaction, dark colors cause more problems than light colors 3. Mechanical abuse, like inserting a needle into the thread on the spool to keep track of the needle 4. Being 10 years old or so, storage with something that outgasses 5. Approaching winter in the UK, so indoor dryness from house heating 6. What were you mending? Cotton thread on some synthetics can just get sliced in two etc. I would try re-hydrating the thread (a damp paper towel in a baggie with the thread in the refrigerator) and if it misbehaved again, out she goes. Patty In Silicon Valley, looking for a new job Alison wrote: I was wondering whether anyone has any experience of threads deteriorating over time. I was doing some mending last weekend with some Sylko that I have had for some years. It must be over 10 years old because I bought it to make some lace to go round the edge of a scarf. It was the biggest reel size they do and so I've still got some left, hence I was using it for mending. I know that cotton thread is easy to break, but my thread broke 3 times in a very short time without me pulling it hard (or so I thought). Is it me getting more heavy handed, or was it a dodgy piece of thread, or has it deteriorated over the years? What do you think? And does it suggest that some of the 'heirlooms' we're making now won't stand the test of time? Alison in Essex UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace knitting/knitted lace
I am intrigued to find a lot of older knitted lace patterns reinvented bobbin lace patterns. However I think I'd like to come up with a completely different lace in knitting - -- bye for now Bev, armchair knitting in sunny, green Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, === Hi Bev, I was looking at some really classic German lace knit patterns and was struck by their similarity to Binche. The grounds, the motifs in plain knitting. Also, it was not until I had been steeped in lace for quite some time that I finally solved the mystery (to my own satisfaction) of where crochet lace patterns came from. A lot of the lacier crochet is definitely guipure if not Cluny. Of course Dillmont has a terrific crochet replica of Reticella which I made one New Year's Eve when I was too sick to go out. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace in Star Wars
Hi Jane, Paula Harten and I were invited to demonstrate lacemaking at a Sci Fi convention a couple of years ago. I dredged up lace in Star Wars. I don't know what Padme wore to her wedding, but I do know that her travelling costume that is reminiscent of Russian peasant dress had a huge piece of Maltese dyed gold as part of her headdress. From the look of it, the lace was not cut, but used diagonally over the crest of the headdress to frame her face and partly as a veil. Lori already has the pictures at the LaceFairy site http://lace.lacefairy.com/Fun/StarWarsLace.html Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Eye Candy in Wales
Hi Spiders, While meandering around the internet, I put Flemish Lace in Google for an image search. Well, look what I found. There is a remarkable site celebrating the history and culture of Wales called the Gathering of Jewels. It includes about 25 pieces of knock your socks off antique laces in to die for detailed pictures. Not only are there larger size pictures, but there is also a zoom feature separately where you can look at the threads to your heart's content. Go see. http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/subjects/4773 Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Picots
At 01:23 PM 7/22/2005, you wrote: Double thread picots have lots of methods - I've learnt different ways in Honiton, Beds/Bucks and Flanders - but I can't detect any difference in the appearance. So after giving any new method a try out in class I revert to doing them the way I like. -- I like the challenge of working them the way that sort of lace requires - adds to the fun for me. And I don't really have a favourite. Though Binche seems like cheating 7 twists, put the pin under both pairs to form a loop and carry on working the edges stitches! Too easy!!! Sue === LOL Any picot that doesn't fall apart is a smashing success, as far as I am concerned! Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 3D flower
At 05:08 AM 7/14/2005, you wrote: Hallo to all lacemakers, can please someone tell me if there are any free patterns for 3d bobbinlace flower? My mother needs a broche and I prommised her to make her one, but I would need a pattern please. Have a beautifull day, Darja == Another thought is Rosa Libre. The flowers and leaves are 3D and can be composed into a brooch of your own design. Patty California, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Galician Patterns Tiny URL
Hi Spiders, Tiny URL for the fabulous Galician Patterns : http://tinyurl.com/4fyl6 I have skimmed the barest little bit and there are so many motifs already extracted from main patterns! Also, with wire burning in my brain, there are some fantastic opportunities to interpret in wire. Yum, yum , yum Christmas in April! Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] I was stuck, but now it's done
Hi Spiders, I was working on a wire interpretation of one of Tamara's 2 Pair Inventions, but I got stuck for a while. Well, now it's done, it has a name (Purple People Eater) and I've posted to Webshots. http://tinyurl.com/4hzpf It bears little resemblance to Tamara's carefully invented inventions, but my piece definitely sprang from her pricking. Thanks Tamara Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] demo question
Dear Alice, Absolutely, without a doubt! Lacemakers always have a good time together and that is a PR plus. Imagine the impression of a quiet group, toiling away, not responding to bystanders would make. We enjoy lacemaking and it should show. We enjoy talking to the public and that makes it a very postive experience for the public. As members of a large organization, just being there speaks volumes about lace as a living, breathing art and craft. Mark down your hours. It's some of the best demo time there is. Emphatically, Patty At 08:10 AM 3/30/2005, you wrote: I had a stray thought that I want to toss out to you. Does the time spent making lace in the public lobby of a hotel count as demo time in our guild log book? What do you think? Alice in Oregon -- where the sun peeked through for a few minutes but more rain is coming. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Happy Easter!
Dear Pene, Thanks so much for your cheerful little Easter note. I have been sick all week and almost forgot that I am supposed to decorate the communion table for Easter and it has to be ready for Palm Sunday. Thanks for the warning! Patty Dowden At 01:28 AM 3/19/2005, you wrote: Well, I've been very busy the last 2 weeks made an Easter Egg from Annelise Kirst's book. You can see it at the Arachne Webshots Album http://www.webshots.com/homepage.html under Pene Piip. The other photo is of the piece of lace I made last year for a cousin as a wedding gift. I enlarged the pattern 10% to accommodate the Guttermann silk thread that I used. I changed the pattern so that the vine had a beginning an end. I enjoyed making it for her. Penelope Piip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lacemaking, Knitting, Handicrafts Galore! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Torchon Miniature lace
I want to make a Torchon miniature shawl which starts on a straight line. The background is Bucks which I don't have any problems with but I do not understand how I work the ground on a diagonal when I start from a straight line. Can anybody assist? thanks Micki from freezing cold scotland Dear Micki, If you start the straight edge on the vertical, then the ground will automatically be diagonal. If you are starting at one corner, then you will be adding a lot of pairs. Roz Snowden has a couple of miniature shawls in her first book of miniatures and she adds a pair at every inside pinhole along the straight trail that forms the straight edge. Of course after you get to the midpoint, you have to throw out one pair. If you are not using Roz Snowden's book, I can't offer much more advice. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Rhiannon's work tiny address
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[lace] Variation on a Variation
Yesterday, I spent a lovely Sunday afternoon on my first 2 pair invention. In wire. Following suit on Paula's variation, I did a little change myself and worked it in silver plated wire. I can see a lot more inventions in my future. Tamara, don't gasp! My first reaction when I got the Inventions was that I need to do some of them in tatting. Patty Arachne Webshots: http://community.webshots.com/scripts//user/arachne2003http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 login: arachne2003 password: honiton - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Christmas
Dear Friend Pauline, It was delightful to hear about your lovely Christmas celebrations and wonderful to hear from you. As it happens I am in the middle of finally making an edging for the pincushion you so generously gave to all who asked. I had been looking for a pattern with hearts that would make an impact at a distance and with hearts with the hearts pointing out to the headside, instead of in to the footside as so many do. You'll never guess where I found it, in Doris Southard's book. It is a little pattern in Saxony Guipure with a plaited ground. Of course, I added some beads and glittery accent threads. Since I have the whole week off, I am hoping to finish it before the New Year. Have a lovely New Year. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay
At 06:22 PM 12/10/2004, you wrote: On Dec 10, 2004, at 11:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check this nice piece of Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemcategory=2219item=2579801998 rd=1 Susan G. MacLeodDummerston, VT USA This kind of an auction item always is questionable to me. It seems to suggest (though it may not actually be in this case) the cutting up of nice laces for inflated profit. Little samples. --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) == Rare Riches (the seller of the Sluis Duchesses piece) sets the price for an auction on eBay based precisely on the amount they paid for the item. In fact they say so right in the auction. Rare Riches set the reserve prices according to the cost price of the individual item.I still think the Sluis is priced very high. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: not serious...
... Sugar, milk, and almond flavourings are all in the bland-to-pleasant range. They *could* use something to pick them up, but lemon juice, sour cherries, cranberries, or rhubarb pulp would - IMO - be as harsh contrast/complement as they could bear. Black (fermented) beans are *salty* and skew the sensory perception ino the what the hell is this??? region... Nobody enjoys a rude awakening :) --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Hi Tamara, This rang bells in my head. I had some mango tapioca at a Chinese restaurant and while it was appealing, it seemed to lack body or to be watery. I added salt and the flavor rounded out and was simply smashing. American sweets have a good deal of salt, oriental sweets typically do not. Salty black beans may be just the ticket (in the right proportion). Just a thought. . . Patty Dowden To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Historical experiment
Hi Spiders, This weekend, I tried a little experiment. I had acquired a piece of very old machine lace with handrun gimp. It is a very beautiful pattern, tending toward the Baroque. Anyway, I got the idea of removing the gimp from a single repeat to see what the lace runners had to deal with. It took me something like 4 hours to remove the gimp. My esteem for those lace runners has gone up a lot! It may have been machine lace, but the amount of handwork was phenomonal. I have loaded pictures on Arachne Webshots. http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date Experimentally Patty Dowden It's raining here in Santa Clara, California. The rainy season is supposed to start on October 15, so it's right on time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Wire bobbin lace and pine needles
Can you explain what you mean by pine needles. I know them as the short (about half inch long) round green leaves which are each side of the central stem (rather like the hairs on a feather), and form a brown acidic carpet when they fall from the trees. Your baskets are clearly not made from those - I'd like to see anyone who could. Jean in Poole Dear Jean, Evergreens are a very shifty lot. The species with short furry needles are generally fir trees (oddly enough!) In the U.S. there are many different pine trees, some with individual needles from 6 to 12 inches long. It is entirely possible to coil baskets from them. Sort of the same difference in fiber as cotton and linen. Extra long cotton is about 4 inches long. Extra long flax can be 36 inches. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] what's French wire?
Dear Helene, To the best of my recollection, there is a beading technique for flowers (using beads and wire) that is called French Beaded Flowers. I don't know if the French is honorary. Patty Dowden At 12:25 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: Hello, all you know-all spiders, can you help me? My library is having a demonstration on jewellery with French wire next month. Ever heard of French wire, because I haven't!!! Another case of : If it's rude or unusual, call it French, and everyone will think it's OK? ...;-) Helene, the puzzled froggy from Melbourne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: [lace-chat] strange bobbins
At 10:13 AM 8/2/2004, you wrote: OK -- All you experts -- These look a little like lace bobbins, but seem much to heavy. What are they really used for? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=2219item=3740048298rd=1 Alice in Oregon Hi Spiders, Oddly enough, that's how some of my wire bobbins look, with a teeny hook and of course much smaller over all. Sure looks like some mechanical weaving parts to me. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Possible hanging bobbin on ebay
At 01:09 AM 8/4/2004, you wrote: There are fakes about, so this may or may not be a genuine hanging bobbin. If it is genuine, be interesting to see what it goes for. I'm not that avid a collector to pay what it might sell for. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=114item=6111453204 rd=1 or search for item number 6111453204 Jean in Poole Hmmm, she said, ruminating. The picture is conveniently blurry. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Interesting lace stamp
Hi Spiders, I received a package in the mail from Switzerland and one of the stamps on the packager was embroidered in a lace pattern! I have uploaded a picture of it to Arachne Webshots to the album named Patty Dowden http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date TTFN Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] tatted bedspread pictures
Hi Spiders, I happen to have downloaded the pictures of the tatted bedspread and would be happy to share them with anyone who sends me their email. Helen, since you have already posted, they are on their way to you. I don't think it is appropriate to post them on the Arachne Webshot page. Patty Dowden To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Another connection to early tape laces
In reply to Lorelei's very astute observations about tape laces, I have also noted the very early ten stick curlicues in the Milanese-Flemish laces. The connection I made was with the Punto Fiandra from Italy, which works a three pair braid with knotted picots. The Italians wouldn't have pulled the term Fiandra out of thin air. I believe the reference is to the ten stick designs. Lace is a never ending story. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] :-) Groaners
At 01:05 PM 6/20/2004, you wrote: help! i didn't get nr 2 and 5 ... loved the others but nr 6 is my favorite . that's what i do every tuesday at my dentist's : transcend dental medication . lol dominique from Paris . Jean Nathan wrote: 2. Did you hear that NASA recently put a bunch of Holsteins into low earth orbit? They called it the herd shot 'round the world. 5. A three legged dog walks into a saloon in the Old West. He slides up to the bar and announces: I'm looking for the man who shot my paw. HI Dominique, I can see where these two would lose something in translation. #2: Holsteins are a breed of cattle and a group of cattle is a herd. The pun comes from a famous quote about the first battle in the American Revolution. The shot heard round the world. So cows in space are The herd shot round the world. #5: A dog's foot is called a paw. This dog is missing a paw. In the old West of cowboys and outlaws, fathers were often called Pa (short for Papa). A very stereotypical scene in a movie about the old West would have stranger come into the saloon, (the local gathering place) and ask about someone he was looking for. So this dog that is missing a leg is looking for the man who shot my paw. Patty Dowden Wondering how many cultural assumptions I made in these explanations! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: [lace-chat] The culture shock
Hi hi. That shouls be lots of fun. By the way, why in the world does the army read their 24h clock in hundreds? Weronika (confused in Caltech, Pasadena, California) Dear Weronika and Tamara, I am delighted by your insights. When I traveled in Germany a couple of years ago, there were things that threw me for a loop. The incredible sandpaper provided in the restrooms. Restroom attendants who expected a tip. The look on the waiter's face when I ordered non-alcoholic beer! Anyway, I wrote to explain the military usage of hundreds for hours. My dad was in the Navy for 30 years, so I always knew how to reckon time in 24 hours. For the military, time is written in four digits 7:00 AM = 0700 4:00 PM = 1600 All those trailing zeros make time look like hundreds. Single digit hours are spoken as Oh eight hundred hours Double digit hours are spoken as seveteen hundred hours And for the last obsessive detail Really, really early is Oh dark thirty Patty Dowden Navy brat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: [lace-chat] The culture shock
The last confusing time detail I can never remember properly - do you use 00 or 12 for midnight and noon, and which one is pm and which one is am? Weronika Okay. If 11 PM is 2300, then midnight can only be . 1200 would not follow 2300, but would. Therefore, 1200 is noon and it is PM. is midnight and it is AM Unless of course, you live in Spain, which has a whole different set of rules. I worked at a voice mail company and had to check out the Spanish phrases. We had to invent a whole new method of concatenating phrases because of the Spanish way of doing things. AM doesn't change to PM until 1300, or 1400, depending on some arcane detail I don't quite remember. But AM and PM aren't used to announce the time. Times are described as morning. afternoon, evening and night. Things are always done a little differently everywhere you go. Good night (but it's past midnight, so Good morning) Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] grid vs. free laces
If I make up a particular grid to fit the shape that I want to get in the finished piece, does it still count as a grid? You do need some arrangement of dots to put pins in even in the free laces, right? I just made a Torchon piece on a grid that was initially a square and now is shaped something like if you made each side bend inward like a ). It also accidentally ended up with a circle with four roses in it in the middle, which was nothing like a circle in the original square piece. Lots of fun. Then I added four tape arms (each of a different type of tape, since I don't know which looks best), and have a star! g. Designing is such fun! I sure hope I'm not accidentally redesigning something someone already came up with... Hi Weronika, It is highly unlikely, given your description that anyone has come up with exactly what you have designed. I am sure we would all be delighted to see this new piece. Please post it in the Arachne webshot album. http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date login : arachne2003 password: honiton Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] more questions...
At 10:38 PM 4/17/2004, you wrote: Doris Southard in her Lessons in Bobbin Lacemaking mentions two different methods of handling the bobbins: palms up and palms dowm. Could someone explain to me what they look like or what the difference is? Weronika Hi Weronika, Palms up is the position of the hands that can be used when working on a bolster pillow. Since the bobbins hang down off the side of the large cylindrical pillow, the order of actually making the lace stitches ends with a cross and then the pin. Therefore cloth or linen stitch is twist, cross, twist, cross (TCTC) and Torchon Ground in TC pin TC. The work is essentially in the hands held in the air. This means that you can see that the threads are not crossed in a glance when it comes time to pick up any given pair again, and that you don't have to spend your time untwisting and re-twisting pairs because you can't be sure if the right number of twists are on the pairs since pairs in the right position are simply never twisted. (There can be a lot of unintentional movement when the pairs hang down.) Palms down is the position of the hands that is usually used on a flat lace pillow (which for this discussion includes roller pillows). Ordinarily, when working in this position, the order of making stitches is to end the stitches with one or more twists after placing the pin. So cloth or linen stitch becomes CTCT and Torchon Ground is CT pin CT. The twists stay in place because the bobbins lie on the surface of the pillow and are much less prone to untwisting. In the palms down method, you simply move the bobbins, but don't hold them in your hands to make the stitches. There has been some discussion that palms up can relieve repetitive motion problems for some people. Palms up allows the lacemaker to work standing up, which could have some ergonomic benefits also, since lacemakers tend to hunch their shoulders a lot. While the CTCT stitch order makes sense for palms down, there is nothing to prevent using the TCTC stitch order with palms down. So, palms up/down is separate but not unrelated to stitch order. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Ithaca Lace Day
Jean Barret wrote: At the recent Harrogate Lace Day near here, Sandy Woods was the speaker and put out a small display of her work. I have seen some of it before, (The big 'S for Serpent on the cover of the second Milanese book by Pat Read is hers) Some of you may have seen her own book on colour in lace. But I was struck that her method of working and the way in which she guides the movement of each and every thread so that the colours blend 'just so' seem to be very rigid. There is no latitude or room to develop or do your own thing. Hi Jean, I have pored over Sandi's book and still have not even attempted one of her designs. What it has given me is the freedom to manipulate colors for my own devious purposes. I liked her tricks and simply generalized them. In as complicated a procedure as she follows, in order to produce a book at all, she can't just give guidelines. A lot of lacemakers want to be absolutely sure they have it right. I, on the other hand, seldom work anything exactly the way it was designed. I doubt that Sandi is quite so rigid when working her own designs. But when she has to translate them for others to reproduce, then she has to be exact. Being more of a teach me to fish sort, I just don't take the rules quite so literally. But if what I want to do is manipulate colors (and I LOVE colors) then she has given me a lot of new tricks. I just uploaded the flamingo that Janice Blair contributed to the latest IOLI to the Arachne webshots page. Instead of using variagated pinks like Janice did, I used 4 colors of Sulky and Sulky metallic pinks in the flamingo colors I wanted to use after inspecting some pictures of flamingos on the net. Sandi's work is part of what gave me the freedom to make my own interpretation. Isn't it interesting how our reactions to Sandi's work can be so unlike! Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Thank You Julie, My Kiwi Secret Pal
Hi Julie, Thanks so much for the last package. It was lovely. And it is so nice to know who you are now. It's been a terrific round of Secret Pals and you made it a perfectly delightful. I put the scarf on right out of the package and wore it that night. I sure hope you get to come to California for the skating finals. Thanks again, Patty To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: [lace] Unusual lace pillow and stand for a doll's house on ebay
To: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Patty Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Unusual lace pillow and stand for a doll's house on ebay There's a doll's house lace pillow and stand on ebay, but I've never seen the type of pillow or stand it represents. Is this the maker's own idea of what a lace pillow and stand look like, or has anyone seen this type of setup in use by real lacemakers? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4160035005category=333 or search for item number 4160035005 Jean in Poole Hi Spiders, I got my LOKK Kantbrief today and on page 19, there are two lace tables (full size) of the same type of design. The article is by a long time collector or lace pillows who says she's never seen the like. So it begins to look like somebody, somewhere, saw one like this. Very interesting and how convenient timely for the Kantbrief to arrive today. Patty Dowden TGIF - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thanks!
Dear NZ Secret Pal, I received your delightful package today. How nice! I just loved the miniature clothes pins (I wonder if you call them something else?) and real wood, too. The little Kiwi pin is adorable and the cross stitch of a blue penguin is just enough to wile away the moments when I can't look at the threads I've been breaking for the last couple of hours. But the needle case is tops! The design is so perfect. Somebody knows all the bad things about needle cases and fixed them. How clever. Thanks for a lift on grungy Monday. Patty Dowden To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re:Heather Toomer book
Hi Clay, Heather Toomer has 2 books out currently. The latest is smaller at the lower price. I know the one you are thinking of and it indeed goes for ~ $50. Patty At 10:03 AM 3/13/2004, you wrote: Elaine ! I can't believe that price is correct!! Holly carries this book for $49.95. Clay - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:14 AM Subject: [lace] Re:Heather Toomer book In a message dated 3/9/2004 10:57:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometime back I think there was a discussion on the book Antique Lace -Identifying Types and Techniques by Heather Toomer. copy right 2001. Does anyone know of a dealer (preferably in the US) who carries it? The Lace Museum is selling Heather's new book. I don't have the exact price at hand; I think it's $9.95 plus shipping, and plus tax if purchased in California. Anyone who wants one can contact me and I will send exact particulars. Note, we do not have an unlimited supply of these books. I can say that it is very nice. Elaine Merritt The Lace Museum 552 South Murphy Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94086 tel: (408) 730 4695 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Machine Flanders
Hi Spiders, I just saw a pretty creditable machine Flanders. http://pages.antiquelinens-lace.com/1626/PictPage/1922181699.html//1626/PictPage/1922181699.html?mall=%2Fstores%2FkayhlessitemKey=1922181699store=%2Fstores%2FkayhlesscatId=lace_yardageitemNo=3348 I am still amazed. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
