Fwd: [lace] Hanging bobbin
I sent this reply which bounced back, maybe the sender will read this! Though possibly there are others who are interested. Diana Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Diana Smith diana.trevo...@btinternet.com Date: 18 February 2013 08:00:23 GMT To: Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za Subject: Re: [lace] Hanging bobbin Good morning Manie 'Hanging bobbins' are bone spangled lace bobbins from the East Midlands area of the UK which have an inscription commemorating the hanging of certain felons. They were either sold, or given away, to lacemakers at the time of the execution. There are possibly seven different hangings commemorated in this way. Without checking dates I believe they all took place during the 1860's or thereabouts. Gruesome to us I guess but a hanging was very much a social event at the time as they usually took place in public. More information can be found in the book by Christine and David Springett 'Success to the Lace Pillow'. I have four different examples though not a Franz Muller - they are very rare. He committed probably the first murder on a public train and this caused considerable interest at the time. Hope this will enlighten you a little. With best wishes Diana Sent from my iPad On 18 Feb 2013, at 06:01, Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za wrote: Please explain the term hanging of a Bobbin Lace love Manie Kriel South Africa -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Diana Smith Sent: 16 February 2013 06:41 PM To: Arachne Subject: [lace] Hanging bobbin If anyone in the UK is interested there is a full page article, in the weekend supplement of the Daily Mail, on Franz Muller - subject of a hanging bobbin. On Thursday this week there is a period drama on BBC2 at 9pm 'Murder on the Victorian Railway'. Diana in (an almost spring like) Northamptonshire Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Hanging bobbin
If anyone in the UK is interested there is a full page article, in the weekend supplement of the Daily Mail, on Franz Muller - subject of a hanging bobbin. On Thursday this week there is a period drama on BBC2 at 9pm 'Murder on the Victorian Railway'. Diana in (an almost spring like) Northamptonshire Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Hanging Bobbin
Did anyone notice that there is a hanging bobbin for sale on e-bay. Reference No. 5199813079 It is currently at £112.00 Malvary in Ottawa where it is a hot day with the threat of thunderstorms later. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Hanging Bobbin
Hi all, On the UK eBay site the number is 350467731577 for this hanging bobbin. :-) Joepie, East Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: Malvary Cole Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:18 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Hanging Bobbin Did anyone notice that there is a hanging bobbin for sale on e-bay. Reference No. 5199813079 It is currently at £112.00 Malvary in Ottawa where it is a hot day with the threat of thunderstorms later. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Hanging bobbin
This is what I found about Joseph Castle: March 31st 31/3/1860 Joseph Castle – Luton “Get out!” the irate husband shouted at his wife. “All right, I will!” she yelled back at him She got up, ready to flounce out. Suddenly changing his mind, her husband threw himself at her and ripped off all her clothes. “Now you can’t go!” he jeered. This, it seems, was an oft-repeated scene in the stormy marriage of Joseph Castle, 24, and his wife Jane. Finally, though, on August 8th, 1859, she managed to escape fully clothed, and set off back to her parents’ house. Castle followed her, persuaded her to return to him, and as they were walking back home he cut her throat. He was hanged on Saturday, March 31st, 1860. sourse: TrueCrimeLibrary Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Hanging bobbin on ebay
Well, it sold for over GBP 108. Sorry, but I want a lot more than one bobbin for that amount of money. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hanging bobbin
In case anyone was interested in this bobbin, the seller has now managed to get two clearer photos. It is still very difficult to see the words and the confusing thing is that it looks as if there are 5 letters not 4 in what is possibly Bull. The W is very clear, the B not bad, and you can sort of make out a U but then where the LL should be it is worn, messy and unclear. It may just be that there are very pronounced seriphs. I have given you the link again and you can request the new photos. It is still around 37GBP, but I don't think I want one that much. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=114item=6111453204 rd=1 Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hanging bobbin
I acquired my Miles Weatherill at a local auction house and believe me Carol there were a few bruised ribs about ;))) Best wishes from a rather hot, sticky Diana - phew! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Diana, I have always thought what a poignant story that one in Todmorden is - we used to live just across the border from Todmorden (our Doctor was a Todmorden chap born and bred, but always regarded as a 'foreigner' when he practiced in Newchurch in Rossendale, across the great divide in Lancashire!) and first heard about the horrific story when I went to visit the church there. It just seemed so sad. But I didn't realise that bobbins were made to commemorate the event - although I can appreciate that it must have caused quite a stir in the local neighbourhood, and the national life of the country too. I shall have to wait for my 'hanging bobbin' I think, but if I ever see one at a price I can afford, I shall be there, elbowing all others out of the way. Take care, and thanks for the message. Carol To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Huetson is one of my favourite reads, if stranded on the proverbial desert island Huetson and Thomas Wright would be two of my choices to be stranded with - books that is ;)) I have a handful of bobbins which came from Huetsons collection acquired a few years ago when the collection was split up. My Joseph Castle hanging bobbin is the one illustrated on page 161. Diana - Original Message - From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diana Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Hanging bobbin Thank you, Diana, for that information! The Heutson book is old enough for me to question the facts as they are presented. However, it is still an interesting book, and as long as I know how far to trust it, I'll continue to enjoy it!! Clay Subject: [lace] Hanging bobbin I would agree with Brian that this is probably a poorly inscribed rather worn 'William Bull'. The 'Blunt End Man' was not known for the neatness of his writing :-)) In my collection I have a Castle, Bull, and Worsley plus another hanging bobbin not listed by Huetson which is 'MILES WEATHERHILL HUNG 1868' made by the 'B E M' - I know of one, maybe two others with the same inscription. Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi All, I was told ages ago - and I really have no idea by whom, where or when! - that hanging bobbins, being so rare, could go for amounts upwards of several hundred pounds sterling. Way out of my league, I am sorry tosay, as I would love to own a bit of history like that! Carol - Suffolk UK. Subject: [lace] Hanging bobbin - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Carol Hanging bobbins are not nearly as rare as people think in fact the Castle/Bull/Worsley ones are common probably because their crimes were committed in the lacemaking area lots of these commemoratives would have been sold and because of their oddity value would have been treasured. The rare ones are Sarah Dazeley - don't know if one actually exists, there isn't one listed in the Huetson collection catalogue nor is there a Lilley brothers, there may be one in a museum somewhere, I would love to know if anyone has any info. Franz Muller are quite rare probably because his crime was not connected with lace land likewise Miles Weatherhill, who was sentenced for murder on 9th March 1868 and executed on 6th April 1868. In 1867, Miles Weatherhill fell in love with Sarah Bell who was working as cook for Rev Anthony Plow, the vicar of Christ Church, Todmorden,Yorkshire.The vicar refused permission for Miles to call on Sarah and she returned to her family in York, Miles followed her to persuade her to return to Todmorden. She refused, and in a rage, Miles returned to Todmorden on 2nd March 1868, broke into the vicarage and killed the vicar, the vicar's baby daughter, and Jane Smith, a servant. He was tried and hanged at Manchester. There must have been very strong feelings nationwide over this dreadful crime at the time hence the bobbins being produced. Diana - Original Message - From: Carol Adkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Hanging bobbin Hi All, I was told ages ago - and I really have no idea by whom, where or when! - that hanging bobbins, being so rare, could go for amounts upwards of several hundred pounds sterling. Way out of my league, I am sorry tosay, as I would love to own a bit of history like that! Carol - Suffolk UK. Subject: [lace] Hanging bobbin - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hanging Bobbin
I suspect it is William Bull 1871. It all looks genuine to me. Maker, The Blunt End Man I am pretty sure Springett has him illustrated. Brian and Jean from Cooranbong Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hanging bobbin
I would agree with Brian that this is probably a poorly inscribed rather worn 'William Bull'. The 'Blunt End Man' was not known for the neatness of his writing :-)) In my collection I have a Castle, Bull, and Worsley plus another hanging bobbin not listed by Huetson which is 'MILES WEATHERHILL HUNG 1868' made by the 'B E M' - I know of one, maybe two others with the same inscription. Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you, Diana, for that information! The Heutson book is old enough for me to question the facts as they are presented. However, it is still an interesting book, and as long as I know how far to trust it, I'll continue to enjoy it!! Clay Subject: [lace] Hanging bobbin I would agree with Brian that this is probably a poorly inscribed rather worn 'William Bull'. The 'Blunt End Man' was not known for the neatness of his writing :-)) In my collection I have a Castle, Bull, and Worsley plus another hanging bobbin not listed by Huetson which is 'MILES WEATHERHILL HUNG 1868' made by the 'B E M' - I know of one, maybe two others with the same inscription. Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hanging bobbin
It does look very similar to the (genuine) hanging bobbin I have (passed down through the family). However, the name does not sound familiar. Mine has the word Hung on it. Nowadays we say Hanged, but that may have been too much for the bobbin maker to write! from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, where it is very cold, and slightly wet! _ (Thanks for your left-over rain, Shirley in Adelaide!!!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hanging bobbin
Recently at a local auction I bought a 'lot' of 29 inscribed bone bobbins which included two hanging bobbins - a William Bull and another which is virtually unknown - 'MILES WEATHERHIL HUNG 1868'. I know of the existence of one other. When I went to the view the first bobbin I picked up was the Weatherhil, I was so amazed that I didn't look at any of the others and after the auction I was so surprised when I found the Bull - though I have one of his already. But the point of this email is does anyone on Arachne have any information on this new *hanger*? This is what I have already: *Bucks County Records Office states that Miles Weatherhill was sentenced for murder - 9th March 1868. The Times of that date p.10 col (d). He was executed on 6th April 1868. (From another source) In 1867, Miles Weatherhill fell in love with Sarah Bell who was working as cook for Rev Anthony Plow, the vicar of Christ Church, Todmorden at Todmorden Vicarage. The vicar refused permission for Miles to call on Sarah. Sarah returned to her family in York, and Miles followed her to persuade her to return to Todmorden. She refused, and in a rage, Miles returned to Todmorden on 2nd March 1868, broke into the vicarage and killed the vicar, the vicar's baby daughter, and Jane Smith, a servant. He was tried and hanged at Manchester jail in 1868.* He sounds a really nasty piece of work and doesn't appear to have any connections with laceland but maybe this case like the Muller was a nine day wonder at the time. Diana (Northamptonshire, UK) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Hanging bobbin
For those of you interested in seeing a picture of the Hanging bobbins (including Diana's new one) click on Hanging bobbins at the Bobbin Mmuseum here: http://bobbins.lacefairy.com/BobbinMuseum/BobbinMuseum.html Lori the Lacefairy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
