Re: [lace] silk threads
I am looking for recommendations for a filiment silk thread (not spun silk, I'm hoping to compare the two!) that is approximately the same size as Gutterman silk 100/3 (28 wraps / cm) The nearest has to be Piper’s Silk Gimp 80/3 = 3Z- 28 wraps/cm. I am struggling mightily with all the different terms around silk threads (floss silk? Twisted seems promsing. Unboiled?) Floss silk means untwisted strands of silk fibre, and by definition has to be reeled or filament silk, not spun silk. Used for satin stitch embroidery. Twisted silk means strands of silk that have been twisted together, but again reeled/filament silk rather than spun silk. Tram silk is untwisted plies that are twisted together. Organzine is very tightly twisted. Unboiled silk = raw silk. Boiled silk = degummed silk. Raw/unboiled silk is just as the filaments are when unwound from the cocoons and still coated with sericin (which is what holds the filaments together around the cocoon. Boiled/degummed silk has been immersed in very hot soapy water to dissolve away that sericin. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] silk threads
Hello Heather and everyone In Brenda's thread book, the not-spun silk is called reeled. Gutermann 100/3 is 27 wraps, there are Pipers silk equivalents, and a few other brands; look to either side of the 27 wraps, the columns for 26 and 28 for near-equivalents. Hope this helps, hope also that you have Brenda's useful book ;) On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Jazmin jazmin...@gmail.com wrote: ... I am looking for recommendations for a filiment silk thread (not spun silk, I'm hoping to compare the two!) that is approximately the same size as Gutterman silk 100/3 (28 wraps / cm) -- Bev in Shirley BC, where early spring flowers are blooming near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] silk threads
Thank you so very much ladies! I do have Brenda's delightful and invaluable book, I have since she mentioned it here as a 1st edition. My how it's grown! I've only heard wonderful things about Piper's silks, and I've a line on a local (ish) lacemaker who is attending a lace day soon who hopefully will keep an eye out for a stash of it at the vendors there! Arachne is a fount of wisdom. Heather -- who shall have to assure the spun silk on my bobbins that I'm still fond of it. :) On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Beth Marshall b...@capuchin.co.uk wrote: Pipers' 90/2 Twisted Gloss Silk is a filament thread, and Brenda P recently measured it at 30w/cm (it's not in the existing edition of Threads for lace but should be in edition 6 when that comes out) I'm making lace with that at the moment and it's lovely thread to work with - much softer and more adaptable than the Guterman spun silks, it will spread out to fill a bigger space or squash up to fit a smaller one. Might be quite a slow process getting hold of some in Canada though - Pipers' is a one-woman business and the silk is hand-reeled to order, so there's usually a wait even without international post to contend with. Beth in a snowy Cheshire, NW England Heather wrote: I am looking for recommendations for a filiment silk thread (not spun silk, I'm hoping to compare the two!) that is approximately the same size as Gutterman silk 100/3 (28 wraps / cm) I am struggling mightily with all the different terms around silk threads (floss silk? Twisted seems promsing. Unboiled?) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] silk threads
Hi fellow Arachnids, Sue Peck, the owner of Pipers Silks is also very helpful in putting together groups of colour for anybody; say for instance for a kingfisher or a particular flower etc. The silk is lovely to work with and the colours out of this world. Happy lace making. Joepie in East Sussex, UK, where the weather is deteriorating again. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] silk threads
Beware - once you see the colour and sheen on Piper's threads, you will be hooked!!! Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] silk threads
On another thread there was the question about saving used bobbins of thread and I mentioned that older threads that I've had have become unstable in time. However I have to say that my Piper silks that I bought nearly 12 years ago as as stable as the day I bought them. L Kind Regards Liz Baker On 28 Jan 2015, at 22:25, Sue Babbs suebabbs...@gmail.com wrote: Beware - once you see the colour and sheen on Piper's threads, you will be hooked!!! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] silk threads
Sue writes the truth!!! Piper's is addicting! Clay Sent from my iPad On Jan 28, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Sue Babbs suebabbs...@gmail.com wrote: Beware - once you see the colour and sheen on Piper's threads, you will be hooked!!! Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] silk threads
I am getting myself tangled up and confused in reading all the different terms, so I turn to the ever wise and eternally helpful Arachnes. I am looking for recommendations for a filiment silk thread (not spun silk, I'm hoping to compare the two!) that is approximately the same size as Gutterman silk 100/3 (28 wraps / cm) I am struggling mightily with all the different terms around silk threads (floss silk? Twisted seems promsing. Unboiled?) Thank you for your help, my lace endeavours would have sunk months ago if not for you all. Heather in icy cold SW Ontario - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] silk threads
Pipers' 90/2 Twisted Gloss Silk is a filament thread, and Brenda P recently measured it at 30w/cm (it's not in the existing edition of Threads for lace but should be in edition 6 when that comes out) I'm making lace with that at the moment and it's lovely thread to work with - much softer and more adaptable than the Guterman spun silks, it will spread out to fill a bigger space or squash up to fit a smaller one. Might be quite a slow process getting hold of some in Canada though - Pipers' is a one-woman business and the silk is hand-reeled to order, so there's usually a wait even without international post to contend with. Beth in a snowy Cheshire, NW England Heather wrote: I am looking for recommendations for a filiment silk thread (not spun silk, I'm hoping to compare the two!) that is approximately the same size as Gutterman silk 100/3 (28 wraps / cm) I am struggling mightily with all the different terms around silk threads (floss silk? Twisted seems promsing. Unboiled?) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Silk Threads, Use of Hand Creams - Conservation File
Most of my needlelace is worked using white thread which unlike the bobbin laces, comes into contact continually with ones hands and although I wash my hands at regular intervals whilst working, I never use hand creams of any description after washing! There will be a residue of cream, no matter how long one massages the cream into ones hands and this will of course attract dirt, resulting in a less than pure white completed piece of work. When I've finished stitching for the day, this is the time to apply the much needed hand creams. Catherine Barley UK Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - Original Message - From: jeria...@aol.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 5:12 PM Subject: [lace] Silk Threads, Use of Hand Creams - Conservation File It is suggested you either use hand cream, or not. Be consistent. We concluded that every hand cream altered the color of the threads, or the way light traveled across stitch surfaces, regardless of the manufacturer's claims. Some hand creams might have been harmless, but there were definite difference Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Silk Threads, Use of Hand Creams - Conservation File
It is suggested you either use hand cream, or not. Be consistent. Carol's note about using Udder Cream reminded me of an in-depth study a silk embroiderer and I did years ago. It was a test of various hand creams that claimed to be specifically made for silk embroiderers. This fell right in line with my interest in textile conservation. We concluded that every hand cream altered the color of the threads, or the way light traveled across stitch surfaces, regardless of the manufacturer's claims. Some hand creams might have been harmless, but there were definite differences! For each thread, we stitched 3 squares next to each other with no space between them, on silk gauze: We stitched a square without using hand cream, then an adjacent square with hand creams to the right, and to the left of the creamless square we stitched a design of cream-infused thread surrounded by creamless thread. This was done with several different brands of hand creams that needlework shops were selling and with several different silk thread brands in several colors and white. In every case, there was a slight color difference. We concluded that if you are working anything with silk thread where the finished texture is smooth, choose either to use cream or not, and be consistent. Creamy hands mean they will more easily pick up dirt, dyes, chemicals with which they come in contact. For example, wiping hands on an apron that might have a food stain that would melt into the hand cream. From a conservator's point of view, it is best to cream your hands and wear white cotton gloves over them when you go to bed, and also keep your cuticles and nails under control. Use creams as you normally do during the day. Then, wash your hands before working with silk, and every half hour or more thereafter. (Hand washing interval depends on how much acid is in your skin and how it reacts to handcream. An indicator for this is length of time it takes for new sewing needles to become dull and lose their slippery surfaces). Professional silk embroiderers do not do any work at home that would damage their skin or fingernails. In an unheated National Embroidery Institute studio in China, I saw that they had flannel-covered hot water bottles in their laps to warm their fingers. Think back in lace history, and you know that most of the European women working with silk lived in convents where their work produced most of the income for supporting everyone. They would not have been the ones cleaning, washing and gardening. Here is what happens with any fiber: When you roll a thread between finger and thumb or caress the threads, which is more often than you think even with bobbin laces, that works oils deeper into crevasses of spun fibers, where any form of cleaning will not reach. Oils on the surface may be washed away, but use of any extra chemicals on any threads is never desirable. Then, remember those tiny organisms that like to nibble on ingredients of oils, starches, etc. and may leave stains behind. Add various climates, storage conditions, and ... well, you get the idea. It is suggested you either use hand cream, or not. Be consistent. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center (I've just spent 6 days wet cleaning a very old piece of Venetian Point lace - shaped like a lappet cap and 55 inches in length and 9 inches at the widest center part. Very tiny buttonhole stitches, unseen without magnification. It was saturated with black oil in one long section, and nearly all has come out through soaking to let fibers expand and shed the oil, and changing the Orvus and distilled water frequently!) In a message dated 1/16/2015 6:25:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nestalace.ca...@btinternet.com writes: Since Mr Piper passed away, and Susan took over, I have used many tons of her 'Udder Cream' - my skin is VERY dry, and it makes such a difference to the scaly skin - wouldn't be without it!Also the silks - I love working with silk, and their selection is wonderful. Carol in North Norfolk, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Silk Threads, Use of Hand Creams - Conservation File
When we went to Turkey we visited a factory where they made carpets and rugs, the silk ones were beautiful but only woven by very young girls some only looked about 12 years old but being so young they had lovely smooth skin on their hands . Sue M Harvey Norfolk U.K. Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Silk threads for pattern
Hello arachnes, A friend of mine wants to make the pattern in the following book and would like to know what is the brand/make of the silks listed below, as well as their equivalence in wraps per centimeter. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Dreieckstuch Gisela Schappe silk Nm 120/2 Shantung Yaspé Nm 30/2 Silk Pagoda Nm 24/2 Tussah silk Nm 20/2 Debora Lustgarten ...If it was winter, I've had it! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Silk threads and Scarfs
Sorry for not getting back to all you helpful folk out there about these things, but my very fragile computer keeps keeling over. We are currently in the process of adding my programs to my replacement computer and once DH does most of that (and I will actually manage to upload my lace design program onto it), I should be back up and running properly sometime soon. I am reading the mail, managing to reply to some but not enough to keep up with it before it fails again, sadly, but I do appreciate all your help. While that is all happening I am at least able to get on with my current piece of lacemaking which is a modesty panel worked in black (using a red card pricking as per some of your suggestions, g working a Bridget Cook pattern with a minor change and waiting for the silk thread to arrive next week so I can move on to the scarf pricking which I have prepared ready. I cant remember where it came from, whether it is my imaginings or an adaption of another pattern, with a further second narrow strip using elements from the other one and going to work 3 strips and joining them. I want it to be soft and draping and hoping this works up as I like it. Sue T Dorset UK www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Silk threads
I am about to order some thread to make my scarf, having decided and changed my mind several times and ending up back at gutterman white silk as it will be possible to wear it with many colours rather than just a few. I have finished working my sample strip which is also helping me decide how much thread I must order to make sure I have enough. But then I was looking at Sandi's wonderful site and her use of Pipers silk and wondered what the difference is between the two threads. Gutterman I have used for several different projects, I love the colours, the feel and the way it works and have been happy with all the pieces I have working with it. I want a smooth soft thread, no bitty bits to add any texture at all in my torchon pattern, so any comments would be welcome. Sue T Dorset UK www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Silk threads
Hi Sue and fellow Arachnids, Having worked with Pipers silk I must say I love their threads. The colours are delightful, with a lovely sheen and the thread is of excellent quality. The owners, Sue Peck and her husband are always ready to help with advice on type of thread most appropriate for the task -spun, folded, twisted as well as thicknesses- and on colour. I have not had any 'bits' in the threads nor broken thread on the reels. Personally I have no interests in Pipers silks, but am just a very happy client. Happy lace making, Joepie in very windy East Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: Sue Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:10 AM To: Arachne Subject: [lace] Silk threads I am about to order some thread to make my scarf, having decided and changed my mind several times and ending up back at gutterman white silk as it will be possible to wear it with many colours rather than just a few. I have finished working my sample strip which is also helping me decide how much thread I must order to make sure I have enough. But then I was looking at Sandi's wonderful site and her use of Pipers silk and wondered what the difference is between the two threads. Gutterman I have used for several different projects, I love the colours, the feel and the way it works and have been happy with all the pieces I have working with it. I want a smooth soft thread, no bitty bits to add any texture at all in my torchon pattern, so any comments would be welcome. Sue T Dorset UK www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Silk threads
I heartily agree with Joepie's comments on Piper's silks - also no connection to or interest in Piper's silks. The only Guttermann silk which I have seen in recent years has been matt, so looks more like cotton. My favorite Piper's silk is the twisted gloss silk, which has a wonderful shine to it, and you can get gimp thicknesses to go with it, if that is a consideration. I don't know how fine a thread you are looking for, but Bart Francis also carry a wonderful range: http://www.bart-francis.be/index.php?action=homelang=EN Sue sueba...@comcast.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Silk threads
Guetermann only produces spun silk, whereas Pipers and Bart Francis both sell reeled silk and spun silk. In silk production cocoons are softened in hot water and then skilled hands find the ends of the silk fibre which is then reeled of in a continuous length (about one Km or longer) and then bunches of those filaments are twisted together to make a length of thread. This is reeled silk, filament silk, nett silk, gloss silk. A firm twist for organzine, a medium twist for 'ordinary' sewing and minimal twist for embroidery floss. Any damaged cocoons, broken filaments etc are used to make spun silk in which short lengths of silk filament are spun together in a similar way to cotton spinning to make spun silk. Reeled silk is very shiny and slippery, and very strong, sometimes too strong for stitching seams. Spun silk is soft and matt and generally better for use in a sewing machine. If you are not sure whether a silk thread is reeled or spun look at it with a magnifying lens; you can see the tiny ends of the filaments all along the thread whereas reeled silk (that isn't damaged) is smooth and glossy. Schappe silk is spun silk which has had the natural sercin gum removed (by fermentation). Brenda On 5 Mar 2012, at 14:01, Sue Babbs wrote: I heartily agree with Joepie's comments on Piper's silks - also no connection to or interest in Piper's silks. The only Guttermann silk which I have seen in recent years has been matt, so looks more like cotton. My favorite Piper's silk is the twisted gloss silk, which has a wonderful shine to it, and you can get gimp thicknesses to go with it, if that is a consideration. I don't know how fine a thread you are looking for, but Bart Francis also carry a wonderful range: http://www.bart-francis.be/index.php?action=homelang=EN Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Silk threads
Hi Everybody: Pipers carries many types of both spun silk and filament silk, so you have to read the website carefully to be sure you get what you want. I use both for bobbin lace and for embroidery. Filament silk is where the long silk fibers are not cut, only twisted around one another to create the thread. It shines more than spun silk, and is stronger but also more slippery. Gutterman is spun silk - the fibres are shorter and it is spun more like cotton and other fibres. It is stronger than cotton but not as strong as filament silk, and it has the matte colour Sue mentions. Hope this helps. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) But then I was looking at Sandi's wonderful site and her use of Pipers silk and wondered what the difference is between the two threads. Gutterman I have used for several different projects, I love the colours, the feel and the way it works and have been happy with all the pieces I have working with it. I want a smooth soft thread, no bitty bits to add any texture at all in my torchon pattern, so any comments would be welcome. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] SIlk threads from Switzerland
Brenda, you are right this Schappe silk 120/2x4 - 2S/4Z-20 w/cm Tussah silk 20/2 - 2S-10 w/cm are the silks Marianne Geissendörfer used for her patterns. Both are very fine to handle. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] SIlk threads from Switzerland
This morning I received a surprise packet in the post - four reels of thread plus colour charts from Zürcher-Stalder in Kerchberg,Switzerland for inclusion in Addendum5 (and any future editions of Threads for Lace which is a long, long way into the future!). Mercerised cotton 20/2 - 2S-22 w/cm Mercerised cotton 12/2 - 2S-16 w/cm Schappe silk 120/2x4 - 2S/4Z-20 w/cm Tussah silk 20/2 - 2S-10 w/cm I am pretty sure that the two silks are those used by Marianne Gessendöfer in her book of scarf patterns, and which have in the past proved quite elusive. The Zürcher-Stalder website is http://www.zsag.ch/index.htm Brenda in Allhallows - no connection to the company, just pleased to have received the thread samples. www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] silk threads
Please share David, I enjoyed following your previous piece to its finishing. I love seeing projects in progress don't you? Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] silk threads
Whilst the ethical grounds mentioned for not using silk are probably due to the method of boiling the cocoons (thus killing the silkworm) in order to wind silk from them, there is silk - I think it is called noil - which is taken from cocoons after the moths have hatched. The staple is therefore shorter than the long continuous fibres of reeled silk, but you may find that spun silk is made from these shorter fibres. Silk farms need to allow a certain proportion of the moths to hatch in order to produce the next generation of silkworms, but don't want to waste the discarded (as far as the moth is concerned) cocoons, so not all silk production requires the worms to be killed. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] silk threads
At 02:52 AM 14/04/2011, Jane Partridge wrote: Whilst the ethical grounds mentioned for not using silk are probably due to the method of boiling the cocoons (thus killing the silkworm) in order to wind silk from them, - nothing is gone to waste! These dead pupae are then processed into the rice paper, so called because Westerners probably wouldn't eat it if they knew what it was! [Saw that on a silk making video]. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] silk threads
It's more not wanting to contribute to the industry as a whole (or as people who know me would say, just being an akward sod :-)) So far I've been using cotton equivalents but they dont have quite the same definition or delicate quality. I do like linen but the few reels that I have mannaged to procure were spun rather roughly and the friction of the threads against each other was quite off-putting Kindest Regards, L in the changeable climes of south west Scotland On 13 Apr 2011, at 18:02, David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.au wrote: At 02:52 AM 14/04/2011, Jane Partridge wrote: Whilst the ethical grounds mentioned for not using silk are probably due to the method of boiling the cocoons (thus killing the silkworm) in order to wind silk from them, - nothing is gone to waste! These dead pupae are then processed into the rice paper, so called because Westerners probably wouldn't eat it if they knew what it was! [Saw that on a silk making video]. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] silk threads
Hi all On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk wrote: Whilst the ethical grounds mentioned for not using silk are probably due to the method of boiling the cocoons (thus killing the silkworm) in order to wind silk from them, In that regard, cotton isn't ethical either. Cotton is a very pesticide-intensive crop, and therefore many insects are killed in its production. ~Gina - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Silk threads
Actually, we used Soie Ovale in the Cluny de Brioude class with Nathalie Bailly (of the Brioude school) at the Montreal IOLI convention and despite its being reeled, it was really not difficult to work with, other than making sure you weren't suffering from dry skin when winding the bobbins.that stuff catches on the slightest rough spot! g It *is* beautiful when finished as the Brioude school books show so clearly, and it inspired me to learn the Brioude method for making leaves which results in the wide satiny center vein in their leaves which I really like. And, as an aside, I have made a lot of Beds with spun silk (Gutermann's 100/3 sewing thread) and I find it handles pretty much like cottonno trouble at all, and it has a nice, subtle sheen. Vicki in Maryland -Original Message- From: bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com To: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 10:59 am Subject: Re: [lace] Silk threads Totally! thinking of slippery reeled silk that once in place is so beautiful. Frustrating to work with. The other, the spun silk is ok though not quite as lustrous ;) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Silk threads
I can only imagine the challenge of working tallies in silk!! better with practice would definitely be applicable here!! Clay On 11/19/2010 12:02 AM, Noelene Lafferty wrote: I've recently acquired a copy of Cluny de Brioude dentelle polychrome by Odette Arpin. It inspires me to persevere with my leaves and tallies! /snip/ Le tour de main est a acquerir pour bien la reussir - you get better with practice? Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Silk threads
At 11:07 PM 19/11/2010, Clay Blackwell wrote: I can only imagine the challenge of working tallies in silk!! better with practice would definitely be applicable here!! I've done a few thousand and they're no more difficult than in any other thread. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Silk threads
Hi All I am working a floral Beds collar in Pipers pure silk and the collar not only has rolled tallies on it but leaves as well.They are working up beautifully and I have not, as yet, had any problems with working them. I started it on a course with Barbara Underwood a while ago and she had no problems with me using silk. There were others that had been on her course who had also worked collars in silk. I know that floral beds is traditionally worked in cotton so that it is crisp but silk does, in my opinion, work just as well. I have probably done about one quarter to one third of it and need to get back to it. Unfortunately I have been very busy of late and it has been put away. Will really have to get back to it!!! Maureen E Yorks UK where it is damp and cool, but not raining!!! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
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Totally! thinking of slippery reeled silk that once in place is so beautiful. Frustrating to work with. The other, the spun silk is ok though not quite as lustrous ;) On 11/19/10, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote: I can only imagine the challenge of working tallies in silk!! better with practice would definitely be applicable here!! Clay On 11/19/2010 12:02 AM, Noelene Lafferty wrote: I've recently acquired a copy of Cluny de Brioude dentelle polychrome by Odette Arpin. It inspires me to persevere with my leaves and tallies! -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
RE: [lace] Silk threads
Thanks for your reply Jane.I think I'm narrowing down my options now. There is an Au ver a Soie D'Alger in Brenda's book, I just missed it on my first search. And I have some truly beautiful hand dyed silk from South Africa called Chameleon which I bought here in Australia - the base of this is Soie D'Alger (www.chameleonthreads.co.za/ - have a look at the wonderful colours under kits). The 150 denier silk (doubled) is not for gimps, it's added as the single worker and a centre passive thread in the different coloured leaves. The book is not the Cluny de Brioude published a couple of years ago, it's a relatively new book (I bought mine through Barbara Fay in Germany) and called Cluny de Brioude dentelle polychrome, and is mostly motifs and jewellery, no edges. Thanks for the tip that doubled is the same as 300 denier. The Soie D'Alger is spun silk, not reeled, and I've used it before making leaves - it doesn't spring like reeled silk (or rayon) and makes quite acceptable leaves (my standard, that is, I can't hope to replicate the beautiful leaves in the book!) Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au Denier is a definite sizing unit, so any 150 denier silk should measure the same as another. If it says use double, then you are looking at a 300 dnr thread equivalent - Pipers do a gimp of this thickness if I remember correctly. Sounds as if it is to give a gimp effect, to give the centre stem of the leaf a more real look, so you could look at the difference in a real leaf and go from there to see what you think looks right visually. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Silk threads
I've recently acquired a copy of Cluny de Brioude dentelle polychrome by Odette Arpin. It inspires me to persevere with my leaves and tallies! She calls for use of Soie d'Alger and Soie 150 deniers, neither of which I can locate in my Threads for Lace. A Google search reveals Soie d'Alger to be a 7 stranded spun silk - perhaps it's the same as the 7-strand hand dyed silk from South Africa I purchased recently here in Oz called Chameleon? Soie 150 deniers could possible equate to the Bart Francis Argentine silk 150 denier at 32 wpc. I gather from the book I'm supposed to use it double for the worker/centre thread in leaves. My French is not very good. Le tour de main est a acquerir pour bien la reussir - you get better with practice? Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] silk threads
Thank you for the information so far, but can someone tell me where I might find gutermann silk 100/3 in the uk please. I have had a quick look on pipers silk and have looked on your site Brenda, but am not sure what I am looking at, quite frankly. Do you ladies buy gutermann over here or do you buy another make. I know as Wendy and I are both trying to work along the same lines and encouraging each other on the way, I know Wendy wants to buy the gutermann but dont feel that smp lace sell that. Thanks Sue T Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sue wrote: Thank you for the information so far, but can someone tell me where I might find gutermann silk 100/3 in the uk please. I bought Gutterman 100/3 (the normal silk sewing thread labelled S303) from Hobbycraft in Bournemouth, but I'm sure other needlecraft places must stock it as well. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Sue Pipers sell their own silks, they don't stock Guetermann. Piper's 80/3 is the same thickness as Guetermann 100/3. Any haberdashery shop/department store which has a good range of stock items is likely to have Guetermann 100/3 as it's the silk equivalent of cotton Sylko, and is what should be used for stitching seams if you are dressmaking with silk fabric. Brenda Thank you for the information so far, but can someone tell me where I might find gutermann silk 100/3 in the uk please. I have had a quick look on pipers silk and have looked on your site Brenda, but am not sure what I am looking at, quite frankly. Do you ladies buy gutermann over here or do you buy another make. I know as Wendy and I are both trying to work along the same lines and encouraging each other on the way, I know Wendy wants to buy the gutermann but dont feel that smp lace sell that. Thanks Sue T Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So am I looking at the spun silk or silk floss. I have only used one lot of silk before which I used for a lace label, but a friend bought it for me and sent it to me in the post to try. I certainly found some gorgious colours just now once I found the right site, L0L. I am good days and others I am hopeless at looking through websites. Thank you Brenda and Jean, I have saved that on a piece of paper for when I need to choose. I wonder how many days go by looking and choosing, g Sue T Hi Sue Pipers sell their own silks, they don't stock Guetermann. Piper's 80/3 is the same thickness as Guetermann 100/3. Any haberdashery shop/department store which has a good range of stock items is likely to have Guetermann 100/3 as it's the silk equivalent of cotton Sylko, and is what should be used for stitching seams if you are dressmaking with silk fabric. Brenda Thank you for the information so far, but can someone tell me where I might find gutermann silk 100/3 in the uk please. I have had a quick look on pipers silk and have looked on your site Brenda, but am not sure what I am looking at, quite frankly. Do you ladies buy gutermann over here or do you buy another make. I know as Wendy and I are both trying to work along the same lines and encouraging each other on the way, I know Wendy wants to buy the gutermann but dont feel that smp lace sell that. Thanks Sue T Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] silk threads
Oops sorry, I should have said Piper's spun silk 80/3. Their 80/3 twisted gloss is only one wrap different in thickness, but it's filamentor reeled silk which is shinier and very slippery to use on bobbins. Floss silk is reeled silk but it's not plied and has very little twist - it's made for satin stitch embroidery as it spreads out and covers the surface well. Pipers only do one size of floss silk, 90 denier, which is quite a bit finer than the 80/3. Brenda On 15 Jun 2008, at 15:26, Sue wrote: So am I looking at the spun silk or silk floss. I have only used one lot of silk before which I used for a lace label, but a friend bought it for me and sent it to me in the post to try. I certainly found some gorgious colours just now once I found the right site, L0L. I am good days and others I am hopeless at looking through websites. Thank you Brenda and Jean, I have saved that on a piece of paper for when I need to choose. I wonder how many days go by looking and choosing, g Sue T Hi Sue Pipers sell their own silks, they don't stock Guetermann. Piper's 80/3 is the same thickness as Guetermann 100/3. Any haberdashery shop/department store which has a good range of stock items is likely to have Guetermann 100/3 as it's the silk equivalent of cotton Sylko, and is what should be used for stitching seams if you are dressmaking with silk fabric. Brenda Thank you for the information so far, but can someone tell me where I might find gutermann silk 100/3 in the uk please. I have had a quick look on pipers silk and have looked on your site Brenda, but am not sure what I am looking at, quite frankly. Do you ladies buy gutermann over here or do you buy another make. I know as Wendy and I are both trying to work along the same lines and encouraging each other on the way, I know Wendy wants to buy the gutermann but dont feel that smp lace sell that. Thanks Sue T Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Silk threads
Hi Spiders, I am having a quick trip to the UK next Saturday and will end up on Hayling Island visiting my sister. Planned to coincide with the Havant Lace Fair, the following Saturday 15th. I'm not daft enough to make that journey without a lace purpose!! DH thought he was planning a business trip!! Does anyone know who might stock Oliver Twist and Piper's silk at the fair? I will try to remember to wear my Arachne badge in case anyone else will be there. Janice Blair Crystal Lake, IL, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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. . . Does anyone know who might stock Oliver Twist and Piper's silk at the fair? I will try to remember to wear my Arachne badge in case anyone else will be there. Janice Blair Hi Janice, I recall seeing the Oliver Twist at Roseground Lacemaking, but it's not listed on their newly updated website. Fountains does list it on their website. Bon Voyage! I can't be too jealous. Tomorrow I go back to finish a workshop on Chrysanthemum lace with Cathy Belleville. Patty Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
