Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Dear Adele,

I have read about the use of a little scrap of fabric or bag used to hold
the finished lace while you are still working. Apparently it was typically
dark blue to keep the lace bright white (an old laundress's trick, add blue
dye to your whites). Perhaps dark blue could appear black in a shadowy
painting?
Very interesting indeed!

Best,
Elena

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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Devon Thein]

Dear Adele,
That is a very interesting idea. Looking closely at the Old Lacemaker and
the "attributed to Gabriel Metsu" paintings, it appears that they have
something like you describe on them too.
Devon


>
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Devon Thein  wrote:
>
> I have no idea what purpose the black appendage on the top of the pillow
> serves. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that you wind finished lace
> on, or protect finished lace in.
>
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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Adele Shaak]

Hi Devon:
I’ve taken a look at this weird little thing in extreme closeup. If it’s a
decoration it is odd that it is completely plain. I am struck by the fact that
it is in line with the pricking, and it covers the space between the top of
the pricking and the drawer opening, and I wonder if it could be just a piece
of cloth (it’s not black, more of a dark green, maybe a piece of velvet?)
meant to cover the completed lace from the time it leaves the pricking until
it reaches the safety of the little drawer.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)



> On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Devon Thein  wrote:
>
> I have no idea what purpose the black appendage on the top of the pillow
> serves. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that you wind finished lace
> on, or protect finished lace in.

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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Devon Thein]

Interestingly, it seems Maes used exactly the same pillow in his painting
of the Old Lacemaker in the Mauritshaus Museum.
https://www.mauritshuis.nl/en/explore/the-collection/artworks/the-old-lacemak
er-1101/#
  Perhaps it was a family possession? The pillow is the same even to the
hanging scissors. But, the Old Lacemaker appears to be using a stand,
whereas the Met's lacemaker clearly is not. Also, interesting, the Old
Lacemaker is wearing glasses!

There is another Maes painting in the National Gallery of Canada that looks
like it may rely on the same pillow, this time used on a table.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nicolaes_Maes,_Lacemaker.JPG

Also in the Fine Arts Museum in Belgium there is a similar pillow in
painting by Maes of a Dozing Old Woman.
https://www.fine-arts-museum.be/nl/de-collectie/nicolaes-maes-ingedutte-oude-
vrouw?artist=maes-nicolaes-1

In the Guildhall Gallery in London there is another Maes, of a Woman
Sewing. She appears to have the same lace pillow but from another angle.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nicolaes_Maes,_Young_Woman_Sewing,_16
55.jpg

Also there is a painting in the Kunsthistorische Museum “attributed to
Gabriel Metsu” that looks quite similar.
https://www.khm.at/objektdb/detail/1215/


Devon


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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[The Lace Bee]

Elana

I used to dress up as the lacemaker in this painting.

https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30098126

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> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have a question about lace pillows in the 17th century Dutch Republic
>> that I hope you can help me with.
>> 
>> I'm giving a talk at the end of the week on lacemaking in Holland in the
>> 17th century, focusing mainly around Nicolaes Maes's 1656 portrait "The
>> Lacemaker" (as seen at the link).
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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Devon Thein]

Debbie Stoller,
I would say that the pillows are not exactly the same because the one you
show has a "lectern-like" base, a term I have now read in the English
translation of the bobbin and pillow book which I would not have remembered
that I have had Diane not mentioned it. The pillow in the Maes painting
seems to me entirely flat on the bottom. Also it is more deeply curved,
almost like a bolster cut in half. I think the one in the painting that you
sent would be easier to work on.
Devon


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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Debbie Stoller]

This lady has the same exact kind of half-circle pillow:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/79/a7/dd79a713eed7a7ddc027022a2535c972.jpg



> On Sep 4, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:
>
> Dear Elena,
> There is a book, Kloppel, Kissen, Stander about pillows, bobbins and
> stands. Unfortunately it is in German. It does not have a pillow exactly
> like this one, although there are similar ones. The book, as far as I can
> tell physically describes the photos of the pillows and I don't think there
> is a lot of description beyond what is available to the eye. Interestingly,
> most of the Belgian pillows, which this resembles, have stands, as does the
> pillow in Vermeer's Lacemaker. Years ago, I was in a class with Maria
> Provencher. Someone did not have a stand and she suggested that they hold
> the pillow in their lap and put a stool under their feet, saying that this
> was how the Belgian lacemakers often worked and that it was a very
> comfortable position that they could hold for hours. I cannot tell if the
> lacemaker has a small stool under her feet. Perhaps you can tell from the
> painting. I think she might.
> I can't really read the text in the book, but I can try to describe the
> pillow in the painting. I invite others to correct this description or to
> add to it.
> I would say:the pillow is a nicely decorated version of a utilitarian
> object. Perhaps it was a special gift.  As you can see from the painting,
> there is a drawer in it (facing the viewer) that can be used to store tools
> and other objects, although the worker seems to have her scissors suspended
> from the pillow or her dress, undoubtedly signalling that they are used
> more than any other tool. The pillow is sloped on either side and maybe
> also on the part closest to the worker. The allows gravity to assist in the
> tensioning of the threads.  Although the worker appears to be making a
> straight border, she is not using a roller for her work surface. Presumably
> she will have to move the work up from time to time, which seems a little
> bit cumbersome. I don't know if they didn't have roller pillows in this era
> or if the artist thought it would be a less effective painting. It looks to
> me as though she is trying to shorten the thread on her bobbin, possibly by
> using a pin to loosen the hitch on the bobbin so that she can roll the
> thread onto it, turning the bobbin toward the pillow. I expect that she
> uses the continental way of winding the bobbins, which is what I use. So,
> she would hold the bobbin that way when shortening, turning it horizontally
> the opposite way when lengthening it.
> The bobbins are bulbed bobbins which are common on the continent, verses
> the straight spangled bobbins of the English. Bulbed bobbins allow the
> worker to tension easily by tugging the bobbin slightly when ever she picks
> it up.
> I have no idea what purpose the black appendage on the top of the pillow
> serves. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that you wind finished lace
> on, or protect finished lace in. Maybe it is simply decorative?
> What have I left out or gotten wrong?
> Devon
>
>
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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Devon Thein]

Dear Elena,
There is a book, Kloppel, Kissen, Stander about pillows, bobbins and
stands. Unfortunately it is in German. It does not have a pillow exactly
like this one, although there are similar ones. The book, as far as I can
tell physically describes the photos of the pillows and I don't think there
is a lot of description beyond what is available to the eye. Interestingly,
most of the Belgian pillows, which this resembles, have stands, as does the
pillow in Vermeer's Lacemaker. Years ago, I was in a class with Maria
Provencher. Someone did not have a stand and she suggested that they hold
the pillow in their lap and put a stool under their feet, saying that this
was how the Belgian lacemakers often worked and that it was a very
comfortable position that they could hold for hours. I cannot tell if the
lacemaker has a small stool under her feet. Perhaps you can tell from the
painting. I think she might.
I can't really read the text in the book, but I can try to describe the
pillow in the painting. I invite others to correct this description or to
add to it.
I would say:the pillow is a nicely decorated version of a utilitarian
object. Perhaps it was a special gift.  As you can see from the painting,
there is a drawer in it (facing the viewer) that can be used to store tools
and other objects, although the worker seems to have her scissors suspended
from the pillow or her dress, undoubtedly signalling that they are used
more than any other tool. The pillow is sloped on either side and maybe
also on the part closest to the worker. The allows gravity to assist in the
tensioning of the threads.  Although the worker appears to be making a
straight border, she is not using a roller for her work surface. Presumably
she will have to move the work up from time to time, which seems a little
bit cumbersome. I don't know if they didn't have roller pillows in this era
or if the artist thought it would be a less effective painting. It looks to
me as though she is trying to shorten the thread on her bobbin, possibly by
using a pin to loosen the hitch on the bobbin so that she can roll the
thread onto it, turning the bobbin toward the pillow. I expect that she
uses the continental way of winding the bobbins, which is what I use. So,
she would hold the bobbin that way when shortening, turning it horizontally
the opposite way when lengthening it.
The bobbins are bulbed bobbins which are common on the continent, verses
the straight spangled bobbins of the English. Bulbed bobbins allow the
worker to tension easily by tugging the bobbin slightly when ever she picks
it up.
I have no idea what purpose the black appendage on the top of the pillow
serves. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that you wind finished lace
on, or protect finished lace in. Maybe it is simply decorative?
What have I left out or gotten wrong?
Devon


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Re: [lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Maria Greil]

Hello Elena,

The only information I could find is a book in German, which was edited in
2002, about the collection of (Hannelore Schulte of) old lace pillows in
Europe. I am sending a picture of the cover page to you privately.
I wish you the very best of success regarding your talk

Regards,
Maria Greil
a German lace maker living in Spain

El mié., 4 sept. 2019 a las 18:10, Elena Kanagy-Loux (<
enkanagyl...@gmail.com>) escribió:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a question about lace pillows in the 17th century Dutch Republic
> that I hope you can help me with.
>
> I'm giving a talk at the end of the week on lacemaking in Holland in the
> 17th century, focusing mainly around Nicolaes Maes's 1656 portrait "The
> Lacemaker" (as seen at the link).
>
>
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/436932?=All
y=Relevance=the+lacemaker=0=20pos=1
>
>
> Although I have combed through several books that discuss global bobbin
> pillow types (such as Gertrude Whiting's Tools and Toys of Stitchery) there
> is not much information on Dutch pillows.The pillow pictured appears to be
> similar to one of the Belgian pillows pictured in Whiting's book, which
> makes sense, but there is not much detail about it. It is certainly I type
> I have seen depicted but not described often.
>
> Can anyone point me towards more specific information?
>
> Thank you very much!
> All the Best,
> Elena
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[lace] Dutch Lace Pillow Question

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Hello everyone,

I have a question about lace pillows in the 17th century Dutch Republic
that I hope you can help me with.

I'm giving a talk at the end of the week on lacemaking in Holland in the
17th century, focusing mainly around Nicolaes Maes's 1656 portrait "The
Lacemaker" (as seen at the link).
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/436932?=All=Relevance=the+lacemaker=0=20pos=1


Although I have combed through several books that discuss global bobbin
pillow types (such as Gertrude Whiting's Tools and Toys of Stitchery) there
is not much information on Dutch pillows.The pillow pictured appears to be
similar to one of the Belgian pillows pictured in Whiting's book, which
makes sense, but there is not much detail about it. It is certainly I type
I have seen depicted but not described often.

Can anyone point me towards more specific information?

Thank you very much!
All the Best,
Elena

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[lace] pillow question

[Ann Beare]

I am hoping that a member may be able to help. I am based in the UK and I am
looking for a straw filled Honiton Lace Pillow and I am having trouble
locating a supplier.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Best wishes
Ann

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Agnes Boddington]

Hello Ann and everyone else
Try: http://www.honitonlace.com/honitonlace/catalogue/images/13honpillow.htm
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

I am hoping that a member may be able to help. I am based in the UK and I 
am

looking for a straw filled Honiton Lace Pillow and I am having trouble
locating a supplier.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Best wishes
Ann


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RE: [lace] pillow question

[Ann Beare]

Many thanks for all of the suggestions regarding sources for a Honiton Lace
Pillow.
Thanks to the generosity of an Arachne member a pillow will be on its way to
me soon.
Best wishes
Ann

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[lace] pillow question

[Jean Nathan]

As far as I understand, the Honiton Lace Shop in the High Street closed 
several years ago, even though the web pages are still up. It changed from 
being purely a shop to include a restaurant in 2003 with visits to the lace 
shop by appointment only. The mail order side of the business continued. It 
then closed and another business opened up at another location in Honiton 
(some mention of 'The Barn' as the address), but is more of an antique 
business than a lace shop.


Jonathan Page, the owner, explained on Arachne what was happening in 2003. 
If anyone knows what the current situation is (probably someone who has 
visited Honiton recently), can they please tell us what the position is.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] Pillow question

[Jean Nathan]

Living on the south coast where there are few waves in the sea, there is a 
small surfing community, and we have a so-called highly-expensive artificial 
surf reef which has been being built, repaired and tweaked for several 
years without working as promised and likely never will. That means that, as 
well as a coupe of specialist surf shops, the supermarkets also sell cheap 
high-density polystyrene surf boards and the shorter flat body boards 
(they're around 3 feet long by 18 inches wide, probably a bit bigger). At 
the end of the season when few people have bought the boards, the 
supermarkets sell them off very cheaply. I bought a couple for GBP 3.5O each 
intending to remove the plastic covers and cut each into two approx. 18 inch 
flat lacemaking pillows. It's the same high density polystyrene that pillows 
are made from. Even bought a hot wire cutter (bit like a hack saw but with a 
wire for a blade attacked to a battery) to cut the foam without ending up 
with white bobbles anywhere.


Of course I didn't get around to it and ended giving them away to a couple 
of local children. But one was used as a vertical pillow to demonstrate 
lacemaking stitches on a larger scale to a local WI group, using knitting 
wool for thread and dolly pegs for bobbins.


I did have a couple of straw-filled domed pillows, but much prefer flat 
light-weight polystyrene ones, but I can't cope with a pillow more than 20 
inches in diameter.


Polystyrene is cheap enough (especially using body boards) to replace a 
pillow when it's no longer fit for use, although I haven't had one crumble 
yet, possibly because I don't make small motifs, but prefer larger items 
such as fans of pictures, and therefore don't keep using the same spot on 
the pillow over and over again.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Bob Ross]

One name for the polyethylene foam is Ethafoam.  Our group in Calgary  
has been looking into getting a sheet of it.  It comes in different   
densities and I'm not sure which density is best for a lace pillow.   
The only supplier in Calgary will only sell wholesale to businesses so  
we are looking at ordering some though someone who purchases it from  
them.  If any of you know which density is best I'd appreciate your  
comments.


Nita in Calgary on a warm sunny winter day
On 22-Jan-12, at 12:46 PM, Sue wrote:

Ihave seen fun foam mentioned a couple of times and maybe as a short  
term fix
I might be interested, except I dont know what that would be in the  
UK.My
DH did play earlier at cutting out a small circle in the centre of  
the worst
of the pillows and putting some dark green foam stuff (sleeping mat  
for

camping I think) to fill the hole.  Was an interesting experiment.
I did purchase a pillow from someone who had given up lacemaking,  
some years
ago which was a polystyrene pillow but had a piece of carpet  
underlay over
that, but has been used soo much now that even that has  
deteriarated.  I
did swap it over onto one in better condition and throw away the  
original

pillow a year or so ago.
So I am off to prepare bobbins for the next piece and work it on the  
flat
circle and see how I get  on with it,   I haven't used it very  
much.  Thank
you to all of you who have answered me, I wont have time this  
evening to reply

to all of you, but I am very grateful.
Sue T Dorset UK


 Hello Sue and everyone

 I have kept several poly pillows going by putting on them a layer  
or two of
fun foam (as Sue Babbs mentioned) and a layer of wool fabric over  
that,
doesn't need to be felted but it should be wooly (as opposed to  
smooth, cool

worsted), then a cover cloth, then the pricking etc.


 On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Sue hurwitz...@btinternet.com  
wrote:



   What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be ok  
to put

pins
   in and out?  The first one I did put a towel over the top under  
the cloth
   cover and it hurt like crazy putting pins in, so that was no good  
(no

idea
   where that idea came from).   I think that maybe felt underneath  
might

bring
   tufts of colour back up into the lace.
   Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west  
coast of

Canada

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[bev walker]

oops meant to include Arachne in my reply

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:32 AM, bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Nita and everyone

 Have you checked out Industrial Plastics, or is that the supplier you mean?
 I bought an endcut of a plank (sheet) from their shop in Victoria BC a
 while back - it is blue, several inches thick. I don't know its tech.
 specifications, just that when I felt it, I decided it was right for making
 into a lace pillow. An important thing is that it is closed cell foam,
 which is self-mending. Koratex is another product that is closed cell and
 available retail (e.g. at IP) but I haven't seen it to compare.

 For constructing a block pillow, an entire block doesn't have to be
 ethafoam, only the topmost part where the pins are going to go in - so a
 block can be constructed of two layers, the lower one can be styrofoam or
 similar, wood even (although I prefer something lightweight), with the
 closed cell foam on top, a layer of wool over that, and a cotton covering
 sewn around.

 Another source rather than expensive industrial - a roll of camper's
 sleeping foam is perfect. I've made cookie pillows from it by stacking
 concentric circles (smallest at the bottom), and temporary pillow tops for
 existing pillows where for example I have another work in progress but want
 to do something else in a hurry without removing the other.

 I make and use a lot of pillows, have made some up from  kickboards for
 the swimming pool and packing for electronics.


 On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Bob Ross r...@shaw.ca wrote:

 One name for the polyethylene foam is Ethafoam.  Our group in Calgary has
 been looking into getting a sheet of it.  It comes in different  densities
 and I'm not sure which density is best for a lace pillow.  The only
 supplier in Calgary will only sell wholesale to businesses so

 --


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Liz and Ken Roberts]

This is in the US, but there are two reviewers who did use it for lace
pillows.  I bought a sheet, but have not tried cutting or using  yet.  It
seems firm without being hard.  They shipped it flat.  I plan to make blocks
with it.

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2078p=Q_Iw=2078#pr-header-2078

Also, I have a cookie pillow that I got on ebay that was beginning to get a
bit squishy on top.  I cut two circles of wool and put it over the top,
fastening them down on the sides with pins.  I then pulled the cover over all
of it very tightly and it looks like it will work fine.

Liz in sunny Missouri, USA


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Cc: bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com; Arachne lace@arachne.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [lace] pillow question


One name for the polyethylene foam is Ethafoam.  Our group in Calgary
as been looking into getting a sheet of it.  It comes in different
ensities and I'm not sure which density is best for a lace pillow.
he only supplier in Calgary will only sell wholesale to businesses so
e are looking at ordering some though someone who purchases it from
hem.  If any of you know which density is best I'd appreciate your
omments.
Nita in Calgary on a warm sunny winter day
n 22-Jan-12, at 12:46 PM, Sue wrote:
 Ihave seen fun foam mentioned a couple of times and maybe as a short
 term fix
 I might be interested, except I dont know what that would be in the
 UK.My
 DH did play earlier at cutting out a small circle in the centre of
 the worst
 of the pillows and putting some dark green foam stuff (sleeping mat
 for
 camping I think) to fill the hole.  Was an interesting experiment.
 I did purchase a pillow from someone who had given up lacemaking,
 some years
 ago which was a polystyrene pillow but had a piece of carpet
 underlay over
 that, but has been used soo much now that even that has
 deteriarated.  I
 did swap it over onto one in better condition and throw away the
 original
 pillow a year or so ago.
 So I am off to prepare bobbins for the next piece and work it on the
 flat
 circle and see how I get  on with it,   I haven't used it very
 much.  Thank
 you to all of you who have answered me, I wont have time this
 evening to reply
 to all of you, but I am very grateful.
 Sue T Dorset UK


  Hello Sue and everyone

  I have kept several poly pillows going by putting on them a layer
 or two of
 fun foam (as Sue Babbs mentioned) and a layer of wool fabric over
 that,
 doesn't need to be felted but it should be wooly (as opposed to
 smooth, cool
 worsted), then a cover cloth, then the pricking etc.


  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Sue hurwitz...@btinternet.com
 wrote:


What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be ok
 to put
 pins
in and out?  The first one I did put a towel over the top under
 the cloth
cover and it hurt like crazy putting pins in, so that was no good
 (no
 idea
where that idea came from).   I think that maybe felt underneath
 might
 bring
tufts of colour back up into the lace.
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
 coast of
 Canada

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[lace] pillow question

[Sue]

Can I ask all you lacemakers out there about pillows.
I have 3 Dryad 18 inch domed (cookie) pillows all now with soft squidgy
middles  and a 2o/22? inch flat round one which I am about to use in place of
the domed one, not much used yet.  All are polystyrene commercially made.
I am considering whether to buy another 18 domed one to replace all three old
ones but when looking in the UK I only found one of the three sites I looked
at with 18 domed, most of them were various sizes of flat round.   I Cant
Manage With The Staw Pillows which are just too heavy for me to lift about or
to rest on my legs which I need to put up part of most days.

If I/When I buy a new pillow I want to be able to protect it and use it to
keep it in the best useable condition that I can from the very start.

What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be ok to put pins
in and out?  The first one I did put a towel over the top under the cloth
cover and it hurt like crazy putting pins in, so that was no good (no idea
where that idea came from).   I think that maybe felt underneath might bring
tufts of colour back up into the lace.

Sue T
Dorset UK
www.hurwitzend.co.uk

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[lace] pillow question

[Jane Partridge]

In message 008901ccd900$45568ff0$aaabe00a@suescomputer, Sue 
hurwitz...@btinternet.com writes

What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be ok to put pins
in and out?
  I think that maybe felt underneath might bring
tufts of colour back up into the lace.


I've used ordinary felt on mine without any tufts coming through, but as 
the pins still go into the pillow, it will eventually wear down. I know 
other people have used carpet felt or old blankets (the old grey army 
ones!) between the top cover and pillow. You could use a layer of pillow 
ticking over the top of the felt if you wanted to take a belt and 
braces approach!


I have gradually moved away from using my domed pillows in favour of my 
block pillow - the blocks are easy to replace when they eventually wear 
down (I have spare blocks though, so haven't actually replaced any in 
the 15 or so years I've had it) - using either my travel pillow (which 
has a roller made from recycled carpet underlay, I believe, this gets a 
lot of use but never seems to wear!) or a domed pillow when it is in use 
for other things.


It did take a while to get used to using the flat surface of the block 
pillow, but now it makes life a lot easier for doing anything with any 
length to it!

--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[laceviolins_52]

You can order square blocks from Pete at Snowgoose and then cut the squishy 
part out making it a little tiny smaller than the block. Shove the block in and 
voyla just as good as new. 

Becca in Utah 

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From: Sue hurwitz...@btinternet.com 
To: Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:20:46 AM 
Subject: [lace] pillow question 

Can I ask all you lacemakers out there about pillows. 
I have 3 Dryad 18 inch domed (cookie) pillows all now with soft squidgy 
middles and a 2o/22? inch flat round one which I am about to use in place of 
the domed one, not much used yet. All are polystyrene commercially made. 
I am considering whether to buy another 18 domed one to replace all three old 
ones but when looking in the UK I only found one of the three sites I looked 
at with 18 domed, most of them were various sizes of flat round. I Cant 
Manage With The Staw Pillows which are just too heavy for me to lift about or 
to rest on my legs which I need to put up part of most days. 

If I/When I buy a new pillow I want to be able to protect it and use it to 
keep it in the best useable condition that I can from the very start. 

What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be ok to put pins 
in and out? The first one I did put a towel over the top under the cloth 
cover and it hurt like crazy putting pins in, so that was no good (no idea 
where that idea came from). I think that maybe felt underneath might bring 
tufts of colour back up into the lace. 

Sue T 
Dorset UK 
www.hurwitzend.co.uk 

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Malvary Cole]

I have 1 Dryad one, but haven't had any problems with it (yet).

However, I do have another more gently domed pillow which I like.  I think I 
got it from one of our students who passed away a few years ago.  It is 
actually made from graduated circles of half inch thick white styrofoam so I 
wasn't surprised that it had broken down when I unwrapped it.  I found a 
piece of styrofoam and carefully cut out the middle which was mostly a pile 
of little styrofoam balls and a replacement piece to fill in the hole.  I 
had found previously that the sort of foam core wrapping stuff (not bubble 
wrap otherwise it would be noisy to make lace on it) which is about eighth 
of an inch thick worked as a cover and holds the pins nicely and the holes 
close up (like ethafoam).  I covered the pillow with about 5 layers and then 
put a layer of quilt batting and then put the cover back on.  It is holding 
up really well.  I did need to make some little wedge shaped cuts in the 
layers I put on, so that they lay flat, but that wasn't rocket science. 
Just made the cuts where it wasn't flat and made the cuts at a different 
place on each layer.


You could try slicing the top off one of your pillows and then build up the 
top of the dome with any of the above items or thick felt, or felted wool 
blanket.  Or just slice the top off and shape the sides so you have a less 
steep dome (I find my less steep dome is my go to pillow when I don't need a 
block or roller pillow).  As you have 3, you have 3 different things to play 
with.


Malvary in Ottawa who seems to have a furnace working today after a week of 
intermittent service and 5 engineers coming for prolonged periods of time 
and the temperatures this week have been down in the -20's with wind chills 
of -30's.  Lace Guild meeting here this afternoon, so I hope it keeps 
working.


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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Brenda Paternoster]

Sue is in Dorset UK so won't want to buy from USA.

In UK domed polystyrene pillows are available from DJ Hornsby by mail order
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/djhornsby/Pillows.htm

Brenda

On 22 Jan 2012, at 14:03, laceviolins...@comcast.net wrote:

 You can order square blocks from Pete at Snowgoose and then cut the squishy 
 part out making it a little tiny smaller than the block. Shove the block in 
 and voyla just as good as new. 

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Sue Babbs]

And Hornsby pillow covers, for domed pillow, used to come with felt stitched 
into the cover. This really helps to preserve their lives.  I have now used 
a sheet of fun foam under the cover but over the pillow to rejuvenate my 
first pillow (bought from Hornsby in 1988, and still surviving)


Sue

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Sue Babbs]

I meant to add that they may still come with felted covers, but I haven't 
ordered any since 2001


Sue

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Subject: Re: [lace] pillow question

And Hornsby pillow covers, for domed pillow, used to come with felt stitched
into the cover. /most-recent 


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Re: [lace] pillow question

[bev walker]

Hello Sue and everyone

I have kept several poly pillows going by putting on them a layer or two of
fun foam (as Sue Babbs mentioned) and a layer of wool fabric over that,
doesn't need to be felted but it should be wooly (as opposed to smooth,
cool worsted), then a cover cloth, then the pricking etc.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Sue hurwitz...@btinternet.com wrote:


 What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be ok to put
 pins
 in and out?  The first one I did put a towel over the top under the cloth
 cover and it hurt like crazy putting pins in, so that was no good (no idea
 where that idea came from).   I think that maybe felt underneath might
 bring
 tufts of colour back up into the lace.

 --
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[The Lace Bee]

Sue and the spiders (sounds like a fab new group eh!!),
 
I have always used
the SMP domed pillows as my first choice because they are hard waring and were
rather inexpensive.  If the centre got squidgey I just treated myself to a new
one.  Back in 2002 I bought a whole bunch of them (it was a buy 4 and get the
5th free offer they did at the time) and popped them in my loft.  
 
DH thinks
it's rather fun that every time we move, so do the 'new' pillows which need to
be loving looked after so they don't get bashed.  But he agrees that it's real
treat for me to think, whatever, I'll just go get a new one out.  No excuses
not to make lace ... his saying as he is convinced that when I play computer
games my IQ can be heared to shrink.
 
For my more important projects I have
two of Rosemarie Robertson's pillows - my honiton and my fan pillow (it's the
one where the centre rotates within the other part of the pillow.
 
Rosemarie
Robertson covers her pillows with felt before putting the cotton cover on and
this does hold the pillow together.  I would think that for a very domed
pillow you would need to cut darts into the felt so that it lies flat and also
I would think that you would need to glue it to the pillow to stop it from
moving.  If you are working with polystrene then I think good old copydex
would be the best bet because if it's new then you can put a very thin layer
onto the felt and pillow, let them start to dry then contact stick them when
it's nearly dry.  This way there would be no sticky stuff to come through the
felt or the lace.
 
Hope my thoughts help.
  
With SMP no longer doing the
domed pillows I suppose my first choice would be to buy up old Dryad kits on
ebay - but can anyone out there recommend a good reasonably priced domed
pillow in the UK.
 
 
 

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com
My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website:
http://thelacebee.weebly.com/
 


 From: Sue
hurwitz...@btinternet.com
To: Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, 22
January 2012, 12:20
Subject: [lace] pillow question
  
Can I ask all you
lacemakers out there about pillows.
I have 3 Dryad 18 inch domed (cookie)
pillows all now with soft squidgy
middles  and a 2o/22? inch flat round one
which I am about to use in place of
the domed one, not much used yet.  All are
polystyrene commercially made.
I am considering whether to buy another 18
domed one to replace all three old
ones but when looking in the UK I only
found one of the three sites I looked
at with 18 domed, most of them were
various sizes of flat round.   I Cant
Manage With The Staw Pillows which are
just too heavy for me to lift about or
to rest on my legs which I need to put
up part of most days.

If I/When I buy a new pillow I want to be able to
protect it and use it to
keep it in the best useable condition that I can from
the very start.

What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be
ok to put pins
in and out?  The first one I did put a towel over the top under
the cloth
cover and it hurt like crazy putting pins in, so that was no good
(no idea
where that idea came from).   I think that maybe felt underneath
might bring
tufts of colour back up into the lace.

Sue T
Dorset UK
www.hurwitzend.co.uk

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[bev walker]

Try a google for foam craft.
I found this site: http://www.fun2make.co.uk/ so there must be other
sources in the UK

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 **
 Ihave seen fun foam mentioned a couple of times and maybe as a short term
 fix I might be interested, except I dont know what that would be in the
 UK.



-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[The Lace Bee]

Fun foam is available from Hobbycraft.  It is a thin foam sheet in bright
colours - about 2 - 3 mm thick.  I think sheets are about 99p each.

L

Kind
Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

My chronicle of my bobbins can
be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/

 From: Sue hurwitz...@btinternet.com
To:
bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com 
Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent:
Sunday, 22 January 2012, 19:46
Subject: Re: [lace] pillow question
  
Ihave
seen fun foam mentioned a couple of times and maybe as a short term fix
I
might be interested, except I dont know what that would be in the
UK.snipped

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[The Lace Bee]

I just had a look at DJ Hornsby's website and it says that they have stopped
doing the domed 18 


Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

My
chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website:
http://thelacebee.weebly.com/
 


 From:
Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com
To: laceviolins...@comcast.net
Cc: Sue hurwitz...@btinternet.com; Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday,
22 January 2012, 14:25
Subject: Re: [lace] pillow question
  
Sue is in Dorset
UK so won't want to buy from USA.

In UK domed polystyrene pillows are
available from DJ Hornsby by mail order
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/djhornsby/Pillows.htm

Brenda

On 22 Jan 2012, at
14:03, laceviolins...@comcast.net wrote:

 You can order square blocks from
Pete at Snowgoose and then cut the squishy part out making it a little tiny
smaller than the block. Shove the block in and voyla just as good as new.
Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[J D Hammett]

Hi Arachnids,

I belief that Church Meadow craft has taken over the pillow production from 
SMP a couple of years ago. Sheila and Russell (who own SMP) certainly 
referred me to them when I wanted some new blocks for a block pillow. The 
last people I have seen with the Hornsby type pillows are Mainly Lace -I 
don't know if they bought up the last of the Hornsby stock or the moulds to 
make the pillows-. You should only need to buy the poly part as the cover 
can be moved from one to the next. Lastly, horse-blankets can also be used 
for the 'in between' layer -twix poly and cotton cover-.


Both Church Meadow Craft and Mainly Lace are in the UK and have websites 
www.churchmeadowcrafts.com www.mainlylace.co.uk.   The 
latter certainly seems to sell domed but uncovered pillows


Happy lace making, Joepie, East Sussex, UK

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Re: [lace] pillow question

[robinlace]

 Sue hurwitz...@btinternet.com wrote: 
I am considering whether to buy another 18 domed one to replace all three old 
ones but when looking in the UK I only found one of the three sites I looked at 
with 18 domed, most of them were various sizes of flat round.   I Cant Manage 
With The Staw Pillows which are just too heavy for me to lift about or to rest 
on my legs which I need to put up part of most days.

I have several options to propose, but they're about relatively easy ways to 
make your own instead of buying another on that will go squidgy (love that 
description!).  The hardest part is getting a circular wood base.  If you have 
someone that can cut a circle, then thin plywood will work well.  Or if you can 
get someone to make an octagon, that works as well as a circle but is easier to 
cut.

1.  My first 'cookie' pillow was made on a plywood base.  Place fabric over the 
wood, staple it down most of the way around the wood.  Then use polyester 
stuffing (the material sold in bags for filling soft toys) to fill it.  Grab 
big handfuls of the stuff and push it to the far edge, keep adding and adding.  
When you get it filled halfway across the base, push a whole lot more and 
continue stuffing.  When you're sure it's full, push it in some more and 
continue stuffing!  When you can't stuff any more, staple the rest of the 
fabric down.  It's still a whole lot easier than straw stuffing, and can be 
done in a couple of hours.  And if it gets soft in the center, undo a few 
staples and add more polyester stuffing.  You can also add a layer of felted 
wool (in the US there are stores that sell Army-Navy surplus that sometimes 
have old wool blankets that can be felted) and another layer of cloth, if you 
want more support for the pins.

2.  Another easy cookie pillow is made from circles of the fiber-type carpet 
padding.  In the US it has become hard to find, most carpet stores using foam 
bits that have been pressed into a sheet.  But if you can get the fibrous type, 
cut 3 or 4 circles of it, the largest at least an inch (2-3 cm) wider than the 
base.  Make an upside-down pyramid (smallest circle on the bottom, biggest on 
top) onto the base, cover them with felted-wool blanket and staple this to the 
wood base.  Cover with cloth.

3.  There is something called industrial felt.  It is a wool felt that is 
about 1 (2-3 cm) thick.  I've not made a pillow out of it, but it takes pins 
like a dream.  Friends have used it for block pillows.  I believe you could use 
this for the upside-down pyramid pillow.  

4.  Personally, I strongly prefer block pillows over cookies.  Some block 
pillows are square or octagonal, which makes them very much like a cookie 
pillow.  But, as someone has already pointed out, it's easy and inexpensive to 
replace one broken-down block instead of a whole cookie.  If you're going to 
buy a new pillow, I'd recommend getting a block pillow.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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Re: [lace] pillow question

[Tregellas Family]

Having made bobbin lace for the last 20 years I always return to my 
sawdust pillow for 'good' pieces of lace.  I know, they are very heavy 
to cart about but I've never had to add any more sawdust to it in all 
this time.  After finishing a piece of lace I just turn it upside down 
on a cover cloth on the floor and do a happy dance around the circle  
(keeps me fit too :-)) and voila  it's as good as new.


Cheers,
Shirley T.  -  Adelaide, South Australia, hiding in the air con with 
temps in the high 30Cs, heat wave conditions.


What do you put over to protect the pillow but allowing it be ok to put
pins
in and out?  The first one I did put a towel over the top under the cloth
cover and it hurt like crazy putting pins in, so that was no good (no idea
where that idea came from).   I think that maybe felt underneath might
bring
tufts of colour back up into the lace.

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Re: [lace] pillow question lace-related miniatures

[Jeriames]

To answer the paragraph below my response:
 
The solution to graduated padding is not to cut darts, which would be very  
lumpy.  For my gently-domed pillows, made years ago (I no longer make lace) 
 we cut graduated circles of felt or felted wool blankets that had been 
washed  and dried at the highest setting of heat.  You then stack the circles 
and  lay them on the pillow before you cover it.  I preferred the smallest  
circle on the bottom of stack.  Each was 1/2 to 1 larger in diameter than  
the one below it.  Experiment based on the pillow form you have.   There is 
no need for glue!  A properly-covered pillow will be so tight that  the 
circles will not shift out of place.  Experiment by cutting circles of  paper 
before you try this.  It will help you decide the dimensions.
 
The texture of felt or felted wool helps to keep it in place.  If  buying 
felt, make sure it is not made of synthetic materials, and avoid  dark 
colors.  They might run if liquids are spilled on your pillow,  and that might 
mean that the lace being made might wick the color into it.
 
Avoid the use of adhesives inside your pillow.  They contain  substances 
that may attract micro-organisms. And, once the pillow is made, you  might not 
discover an infestation until it has done damage.  Also,  adhesives may 
off-gas odors and chemicals that could damage the pillow  form, pins and your 
lace.
 
By the way, have you looked at the Arachne archives to answer your pillow  
questions?  We have been answering this type of question for 15 years, and  
there are some good tips that don't get included in every round of similar  
questions.
 
_http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html_ 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html) 
 
 
Also, I recommend you look at the Lace Miniatures correspondence in the  
archives.  Annelies de Kort of The Netherlands made the most extraordinary  
lace shop with living quarters above which was exhibited at OIDFA in Gent in  
1998(?).  At the same OIDFA Congress she displayed a lace dessert table  
(many cakes, etc.).  They looked real.  Both were publicized at  the time.  She 
has published booklets of instructions. Try different search  engines and 
you may be able to find.

 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center  

 
In a message dated 1/22/2012 2:54:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
thelace...@btinternet.com writes:

Rosemarie
Robertson covers her pillows with felt before putting the  cotton cover on 
and
this does hold the pillow together.  I would think  that for a very domed
pillow you would need to cut darts into the felt so  that it lies flat and 
also
I would think that you would need to glue it to  the pillow to stop it from
moving.  If you are working with polystrene  then I think good old copydex
would be the best bet because if it's new  then you can put a very thin 
layer
onto the felt and pillow, let them start  to dry then contact stick them 
when
it's nearly dry.  This way there  would be no sticky stuff to come through 
the
felt or the  lace.

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[lace] Lace pillow question

[Celtic Dream Weaver]

  I have a roller pillow that I got from The Lacemaker about 10 years ago. It 
is covered in green velvet with black ribbon going around the opening for the 
roller and is very well made. It is beautiful! The wood is beautiful and on the 
back is hand painted flowers in pinks and greens. I have a torchon shamrock 
edging on it.  Does anyone have an idea who made the pillow. 

 

Wind To Thy Wings,

Sherry

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http://celticdreamweaver.com/

http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/

Nata 616



  

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Re: [lace] Lace pillow question

[Clay Blackwell]

Hmmm...  I'm thinking that Tracy Jackson had bought the company by 
then.  At any rate, her partner makes most of the pillows and stands 
that she sells.  He does a very nice job of reproducing pillows of all 
types.


I've never worked on any of his pillows, so can't comment on that aspect.

Clay

On 3/3/2011 4:42 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver wrote:

   I have a roller pillow that I got from The Lacemaker about 10 years ago. It
is covered in green velvet with black ribbon going around the opening for the
roller and is very well made. It is beautiful! The wood is beautiful and on the
back is hand painted flowers in pinks and greens. I have a torchon shamrock
edging on it.  Does anyone have an idea who made the pillow.

  


Wind To Thy Wings,

Sherry

celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com

http://celticdreamweaver.com/

http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/

Nata 616





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