RE: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
It could also be the shape of the head. I have some very lovely bobbins with the 'thistle' head and they are so smooth/slick I have trouble with them in the same way. I use the double loop around the head for these bobbins. LorriGraham, WA. USA If it keeps getting longer, try putting an extra hitch around the neck? It could be due to some subtle 'un-turning' movement that is happening while you work with it. If it does seem more loosely wound on than the it should be, take the thread off and re-wind. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
Alice, I think that may be it! I'll try pushing up the thread when I get home tonight. I've noticed that the hitch loop is all the way to the top even when the thread is unwinding from further down the bobbin. Thanks! Nancy From: lacel...@frontier.com lacel...@frontier.com To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding I've had this happen with a bobbin that didn't have the thread wound tightly against the top barrier of the thread area. I normally put my hitch on the wound thread. The hitch often works it's way to the top barrier. If it finds smooth wood instead of threads, it doesn't have the traction of threads holding the hitch. This usually happens with a bobbin that's not full. I try to fix it by pushing the threads upwards on the bobbin, under the hitch. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] single bobbin unwinding
Hi all, I've searched the archives but haven't found the answer to this particular question: I have about 140 bobbins on my pillow, 120/2 thread, and of the 140 one bobbin particular keeps unwinding--i.e. the working length of the thread (thread leash) on that bobbin gets longer than on the other bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? Thanks. Nancy Connecticut, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
Nancy, the only thing that comes to mind is to ask where this bobbin is located. I've had rogue bobbins when they were situated on the headside or footside of a piece and were passives, so didn't swap around. It was especially troublesome when the piece was on a roller and the edge of the roller was close to the headside or footside. This put the work quite off-center of the pillow, and made the bobbin(s) roll around the sloping edge of the pillow, and loosen the hitch, which would then hop off. You have a fair number of bobbins on the pillow. How large is it and is it a roller? That could be your answer. Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA, USA On 1/8/2012 12:55 PM, Nancy Neff wrote: Hi all, I've searched the archives but haven't found the answer to this particular question: I have about 140 bobbins on my pillow, 120/2 thread, and of the 140 one bobbin particular keeps unwinding--i.e. the working length of the thread (thread leash) on that bobbin gets longer than on the other bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? Thanks. Nancy Connecticut, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
If it keeps getting longer, try putting an extra hitch around the neck? It could be due to some subtle 'un-turning' movement that is happening while you work with it. If it does seem more loosely wound on than the it should be, take the thread off and re-wind. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
Too much thread on the bobbin to rewind and keep my sanity--I think the double hitch is the solution, but I was rather interested in the cause of neurosis in a bobbin. :-) Nancy Connecticut, USA From: bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding If it keeps getting longer, try putting an extra hitch around the neck? It could be due to some subtle 'un-turning' movement that is happening while you work with it. If it does seem more loosely wound on than the it should be, take the thread off and re-wind. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
Hi Nancy, Has your 'neurotic' bobbin got a head of a slightly different shape to the others? Or has it and very slippery varnish on the head/neck? Both of these could cause slipping as well. Regards, Joepie, East Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: Nancy Neff Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 7:32 PM To: bev walker Cc: Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding Too much thread on the bobbin to rewind and keep my sanity--I think the double hitch is the solution, but I was rather interested in the cause of neurosis in a bobbin. :-) Nancy Connecticut, USA From: bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding If it keeps getting longer, try putting an extra hitch around the neck? It could be due to some subtle 'un-turning' movement that is happening while you work with it. If it does seem more loosely wound on than the it should be, take the thread off and re-wind. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
Good idea Joepie, but no--they are all Mechlin bobbins of the same material by the same manufacturer. This is why I'm so puzzled. I'm beginning to think it must be less tightly wound, since that would be the hardest thing to judge by eye. Nancy Connecticut, USA From: J D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com; Lace Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding Hi Nancy, Has your 'neurotic' bobbin got a head of a slightly different shape to the others? Or has it and very slippery varnish on the head/neck? Both of these could cause slipping as well. Regards, Joepie, East Sussex, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
On a few occasions I have issues with odd bobbin unwinding. What normally happens is that a single bobbin seems incompatible with a thread - originally I thought it was because the bobbin was an odd bobbin that was of an unusual wood or finish but now I think it is completely random. Perhaps I should take better note! L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ From: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com To: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012, 17:55 Subject: [lace] single bobbin unwinding Hi all, I've searched the archives but haven't found the answer to this particular question: I have about 140 bobbins on my pillow, 120/2 thread, and of the 140 one bobbin particular keeps unwinding--i.e. the working length of the thread (thread leash) on that bobbin gets longer than on the other bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? Thanks. Nancy Connecticut, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
Another thought, I was taught to half hitch onto the neck of the bobbin to stop it from unwinding (I think because the person who took the time to help me with unwinding bobbins was a great Honiton lacer) however, when I get rogue bobbins I double hitch onto the head which seems to work. Now there's a thought. Also, for slippery threads, I often half hitch them onto the neck before winding to stop them sliding around on the neck when I'm working. L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ From: J D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com; Lace Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012, 20:05 Subject: Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding Hi Nancy, Has your 'neurotic' bobbin got a head of a slightly different shape to the others? Or has it and very slippery varnish on the head/neck? Both of these could cause slipping as well. Regards, Joepie, East Sussex, UK snipped - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
I've had this happen with a bobbin that didn't have the thread wound tightly against the top barrier of the thread area. I normally put my hitch on the wound thread. The hitch often works it's way to the top barrier. If it finds smooth wood instead of threads, it doesn't have the traction of threads holding the hitch. This usually happens with a bobbin that's not full. I try to fix it by pushing the threads upwards on the bobbin, under the hitch. One bobbin might have a smoother finish than others and this may affect how the thread stays in place. I hope you figure out something that helps. Alice in Oregon being pushed out of my house tomorrow while a new bathroom and kitchen are being done. It will be about 2 weeks before we can move back in (bathroom being done first) and then enduring the mess until the kitchen is done. Looking forward to the finished products, but not the mess and dirt... or unpacking all those boxes. Meanwhile we're camping in the empty house next door. Many thanks to the owner for letting us stay there so we can keep an eye on the project. We'll be eating out for the next six weeks. No dishes.G - Original Message - From: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com I have about 140 bobbins on my pillow, 120/2 thread, and of the 140 one bobbin particular keeps unwinding-.� What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave?� � - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
On 1/8/2012 12:55 PM, Nancy Neff wrote: Hi all, I've searched the archives but haven't found the answer to this particular question: I have about 140 bobbins on my pillow, 120/2 thread, and of the 140 one bobbin particular keeps unwinding--i.e. the working length of the thread (thread leash) on that bobbin gets longer than on the other bobbins. I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of course wound the same direction. What might I have done during winding to cause that one to misbehave? I can't see a consistent difference. Tightness? Thanks. Nancy Connecticut, USA I've also found this happens and it usually seems to be because of the characteristics of the bobbin itself. I have one with a very tiny head which is particularly shiny and this is often the one that slips down lengthening the leash. Another has very light spangles and doesn't lie as flat as the others so the hitch comes loose and the thread leash lengthens. Perhaps the answer llies in the bobbin not the thread? Lesley Marple, Cheshire UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
One of my beginner students had this same problem and we initially thought that it was the bobbin itself. On retrolacing a piece I noticed I had to take the thread off the bobbin and rewind. One of those 'Aha' moments. After watching me put the slip knot on we worked out that she had executed this holding slip knot the wrong way round. No more frustration after that. Cheers, Shirley T. - enjoying a coolish day after some 40+C days at the beginning of the year. If it keeps getting longer, try putting an extra hitch around the neck? It could be due to some subtle 'un-turning' movement that is happening while you work with it. If it does seem more loosely wound on than the it should be, take the thread off and re-wind. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Nancy Neffnnef...@yahoo.com wrote: - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding
Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: I've searched the archives but haven't found the answer to this particular question: I have about 140 bobbins on my pillow, 120/2 thread, and of the 140 one bobbin particular keeps unwinding Are they identical bobbins? If you use Midlands, I'll bet they're not. If you're using continentals, they still might have slight variations. Maybe you have one that doesn't hold thread well. There are certain Midlands bobbin makers that I love and others that I don't buy. The reason is because of the different shapes of the head. Some shapes hold the thread well, others let it play out like a rock climber heading downward. The difference among Midlands bobbin makers is quite strong. However, I would expect some continental bobbins hold a little bit better than others of the same style/nationality. Within, for example, Swiss bobbins, there's definitely differences in head shape. Single-headed bobbins might have less variation in thread-holding, because they're often just a disk on the end of the neck. However, if the disk edge is squared off (the top and bottom round surfaces meet the side with sharp corners), it may hold thread differently than if the edge is rounded (not a sharp corner between side and top/bottom). Some can have slightly rougher finish or slightly sticky (there are Dutch bobbins, turned body with a big round ball on the end that are qui! te sticky), which could affect the thread-holding power. If you're using seemingly-identical bobbins, I would mark the problem one with a tiny bit of paint or nail polish near the bottom tip. Then you could see if you have trouble with it on future projects. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
