Re: [lace] Binche

[Sue Babbs]

I've also turned bookmarks into scarves or wall-hangings by using the 
magnified working diagram as the pricking



Sue

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Re: [lace] Binche

[Anna Binnie]

Susan, thank you for showing that you can learn the techniques of Binche 
by expanding the pricking and using a thicker thread. I've been battling 
for years that to learn a technique you need to see the threads clearly 
and as some of us are aging , instead of using magnifiers we should 
consider using thicker threads instead.


When I was in Brugge for the festival, one of the men demonstrating lace 
at the Brewery was making a Binche edging is thick linen, he was using 
his teachers working diagrams as the pricking. Lace was beautiful and 
study enough to pop it in the washing machine!


Anna in Sydney where the gentle sound of rain is filling the water tanks

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Re: [lace] Binche book

[b...@historichousehunter.com]

I also have a copy of that book I'd be happy to sell. It's here in the USA, so 
if anyone would like it, please feel free to make me an offer directly. 

Thanks,
Beth Harpell 

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RE: [lace] binche challenge

[Lorelei Halley]

I love the curly thread being included!

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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:57 AM
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Subject: RE: [lace] binche challenge

I'm not the only one being challenged: http://tinyurl.com/zervkav But all
your advice made me change my mind.

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Re: [lace] Binche challenge

[Sue Babbs]

Neat solution to the piece you don't want to complete!

Sue 


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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:56 AM 
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Subject: RE: [lace] binche challenge 


I'm not the only one being challenged: http://tinyurl.com/zervkav

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RE: [lace] binche challenge

[jo]

I'm not the only one being challenged: http://tinyurl.com/zervkav
But all your advice made me change my mind.


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> Some years ago I bravely started with the "Binche Compact" sampler. 
> I finally decided to finish it with a shortcut, ...
> https://kantelier.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/challenge/

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Re: [lace] binche challenge

[Adele Shaak]

Wow, it was indeed brave of you, Jo, to start on this sampler!
Sorry I can’t help you with any sage advice, I’m not a genius at finishing
Binche. I’m looking forward to reading the advice you do get.

For everybody’s eye candy this morning, I found this picture of the binche
sampler (not Jo’s) on the Web:
https://hetcreatievekantje.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/binche-slagen-monster.
jpg


Searching the web for pictures of the sampler is a lot better if you
“Germanify” the spelling: binche kompakt gets you lots of photos.

Adele
In snowy West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> Some years ago I bravely started with the "Binche Compact" sampler. I
> finally decided to finish it with a shortcut, dropping the last three
edges.
> That means changing the third last edge. It replaced the tension challenge
> with a challenge to make ends meet. Details are depicted on my blog. Any
> advice would be welcome.
>
> https://kantelier.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/challenge/

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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Eve Morton]

Alix, Clay and Susan,

Thank you very much for the information on the Binche rabbit pattern. I 
know that the Lace Guild has a copy of this folio so will ask if it is 
available.  Arachne is a wonderful source of information for lacemakers.


Eve
Poole, Dorset, UK

On 09/03/2016 21:35, Clay Blackwell wrote:

Susan and Eve...  Just to confirm, I have Folio II, and it is definitely the 
first pattern in the folder!  A very sweet piece!



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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Clay Blackwell]

Susan and Eve...  Just to confirm, I have Folio II, and it is definitely the 
first pattern in the folder!  A very sweet piece!

Clay

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> On Mar 9, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Susan Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eve
> 
> I think the pattern you want is in Memoire II by Kumiko (this one has a green
> cover), it's pattern 1 - Spring.  It was published in 1998 so The Lace Guild
> is probably your best bet
> 
> Susan
> --
> Susan Roberts
> Newton-le-Willows

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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Susan Roberts]

Hi Eve

I think the pattern you want is in Memoire II by Kumiko (this one has a green
cover), it's pattern 1 - Spring.  It was published in 1998 so The Lace Guild
is probably your best bet

Susan
--
Susan Roberts
Newton-le-Willows
Website: www.susanroberts.info

> On 9 Mar 2016, at 18:16, Eve Morton  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Please can anyone help me to find the pattern for a square edge of rabbits
in various poses made in Binche lace.  If the pattern is available in a book I
would be happy to buy the book or to borrow from the Lace Guild if they have
it.  The finished lace is 25cms square and 5.5cms deep.

> --
> Eve
> Poole, Dorset, UK
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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Eve,

The  Rabbit handkerchief was designed by Kumiko Nakazaki and is the first 
pattern in her "Memoire II" folio.  She is a gifted designer, and one of the 
last (and youngest) still teaching from the Kantcentrum Master Class!

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA,  USA

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> On Mar 9, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Eve Morton  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone again,
> 
> With Sue Babbs timely information I hope that I have managed to create an 
> album and upload the photo of the lace corner  of the Binche lace rabbits 
> now.  The link to the photo (I hope) is:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/25024339713/in/album-72157665696874675/
> 
> Eve
> Poole, Dorset, UK
> 
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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Karen ZM]

Beautiful indeed.
Karen in Malta

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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Eve Morton]

Hello everyone again,

With Sue Babbs timely information I hope that I have managed to create 
an album and upload the photo of the lace corner  of the Binche lace 
rabbits now.  The link to the photo (I hope) is:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/25024339713/in/album-72157665696874675/

Eve
Poole, Dorset, UK

On 09/03/2016 18:16, Eve Morton wrote:

Hello everyone,

Please can anyone help me to find the pattern for a square edge of
rabbits in various poses made in Binche lace.


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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock

[d2oneill]

Not sure about the peacock, but the Madonna and child look so much in the style 
of Milca Eremiasova--what is the source of that pattern, and ,please, where can 
I purchase it? 

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From: Anita Hansen purplelace...@hotmail.com 
To: lace lace@arachne.com, celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 11:45:23 AM 
Subject: [lace] Binche Peacock 

Hi Sherry! 

I think I have made the peacock that was discussed, but I'm not sure. My 
patterns and lace books are still packed away after our move so I can't check 
the pattern to see if was from OIDFA. I have uploaded a photo of my lace to 
the arachne2003 flicker account. 

My Binche lace skills are primarily self taught. If you can follow a 
color-coded Belgium diagram you are well on your way to doing Binche! Oh, and 
being able manage a zillion bobbins helps! LOL! If you can't find a Binche 
workshop, one in Flanders or Paris is the next best thing. The most difficult 
part of working Binche lace (aside from the zillion bobbins) is that it will 
keep you on your toes. You will need to constantly refer to the diagram. 
This isn't Torchon where you look at the lace and automatically know what to 
do and easily get into a repeatable rhythm. So you will either like that or 
you won't. I don't even bother taking my Binche project to a lace 
demonstration because I need to concentrate. I also put my working diagram on 
a styrofoam board (covered with fabric) so I can use pins to keep my place. I 
will suggest that it helped me to practice Flanders ground, Paris ground and 
snowflake ground before I just jumped into one of Kumiko Nakazaki's design 
which was similar in size to this peacock. 

Kumiko Nakazaki will be teaching a class on Binche lace at the upcoming 2015 
IOLI convention. I am delighted to say it is being co-hosted by the Doris 
Southard Lace Guild right here in eastern Iowa, namely Coralville. You can 
find information on the IOLI website. And you will (hopefully) find me in her 
class too! 

Anita Hansen 
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 

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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock

[Anita Hansen]

On Feb 9, 2015, at 3:04 PM, d2one...@comcast.net wrote:

 Not sure about the peacock, but the Madonna and child look so much in the 
 style of Milca Eremiasova--what is the source of that pattern, and  ,please, 
 where can I purchase it?

I'm sorry, but the other photo in my Flicker album on arachne is a collage if 
snippets of lace photos taken at the National Czech  Slovak Museum in Cedar 
Rapids, Iowa.  So I have know idea where the design can be found.

Anita Hansen

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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Delores Miller]

Dear Lorri,

I have one from OIDFA, 2009, Bulletin 2, pg20  21.  The picture is the size 
discribed but the pattern is smaller.  If you can not find your magazine I 
will bring you mine to use.


I like your goals.  They are very similar to mine.

Delores Miller from sunny Sedro-Woolley, WA, USA


- Original Message - 
From: Lorri Ferguson lorri...@msn.com

To: lace arachne lace@arachne.com
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern



Dear Spiders,
About a year ago I took a class and started the Binche Peacock piece.It is
about 12 cm (4.5) tall and 6 cm (2.25) wide, with rounded upper and 
lower
ends.Well, life got in the way and I have misplaced the working diagram 
(in my
house move last summer).Does anyone know where the pattern came from 
(possibly
an OIDFA publication) or do you have the diagram itself.I thought it was 
with
the pillow/pricking but it isn't there now.  I am desperate to finish it 
asap.
My goal for this year is to finish as many pieces as possible and get my 
lace

materials more organized.  Much of my lace things are still in the packing
boxes.

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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Sue Babbs]

Lorri
I'm sending you a scan of the working diagram that Delores mentions.  


Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com 
-Original Message- 
From: Delores Miller 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:14 PM 
To: Lorri Ferguson ; lace arachne 
Subject: Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern 


Dear Lorri,

I have one from OIDFA, 2009, Bulletin 2, pg20  21.  


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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Jeriames]

Dear Lorri,
 
You mention taking a class.  Did you start making the Binche Peacock  in 
that class?   Who was the teacher?   If you tell us,  perhaps there is someone 
else on Arachne who attended the exact same  class.  
 
Since we know that Clay writes to Arachne about Binche lace, she is also a  
resource.  You'll find her contact information in  the 2015-2016 IOLI 
Handbook which was delivered to members (you are  listed in it) last week. 
 
Your lace class was recent.  Perhaps you  may contact the teacher via the 
faculty committee person to  whom you sent your class registration.  Usually, 
teachers are  accommodating, and they love to know of your progress 
(feedback) and continuing  interest.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
 
--
 
 
In a message dated 1/26/2015 2:07:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lorri...@msn.com writes:

Dear  Spiders,
About a year ago I took a class and started the Binche Peacock  piece.It is
about 12 cm (4.5) tall and 6 cm (2.25) wide, with rounded  upper and lower
ends.Well, life got in the way and I have misplaced the  working diagram 
(in my
house move last summer).Does anyone know where the  pattern came from 
(possibly
an OIDFA publication) or do you have the  diagram itself.I thought it was 
with
the pillow/pricking but it isn't there  now.  I am desperate to finish it 
asap.
My goal for this year is to  finish as many pieces as possible and get my 
lace
materials more  organized.  Much of my lace things are still in the  packing
boxes.

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RE: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Lorri Ferguson]

Thank you Sue and Delores,
That is just what I needed.I knew this  list would be able to help me much
sooner than I could find in on one of the many boxes still unpacked.
Gentle Spiders are the best.Lorri



 Lorri
 I'm sending you a scan of the working diagram that Delores mentions.

 Sue

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 From: Delores Miller

 Subject: Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

 Dear Lorri,

 I have one from OIDFA, 2009, Bulletin 2, pg20  21.


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RE: [lace] Binche at IOLI Convention

[Charlotte Moore]

Kumiko is a fantastic teacher and designer! 

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Janice Blair
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 12:23 PM
To: lace
Subject: [lace] Binche at IOLI Convention

I tried to post this from my gmail account and I haven't seen it so I
decided to post again, sorry if it gets duplicated.  I am on digests and it
was not in the last one.


Some of you may have heard that Anny Noben Sleger will not be at convention
this year.  She had an operation this month and will probably still be
recuperating. 
 The exciting news is that Kumiko Nakazaki from Japan has agreed to take
over for Anny.  Kumiko teaches in Michigan and Florida, so she is familiar
to many lacemakers in the US.  There are three places open at the convention
in the Binche class in Salt Lake City so if you know anyone who might be
interested in taking a class with her, please let them know.  You can check
out information at Beehive Lacers website
https://sites.google.com/site/beehivelacers/home/  

The information will still be under Anny's name and the class number will
remain the same at AP002.  This is a 24 hour class and Kumiko will take
beginners so long as they can read drawings.  Suggested supplies are round
or square pillow, continental bobbins, 70/2 to 140/2 Egyptian cotton and
fine long pins.

A few classes were canceled, but many are being held that have some spaces,
so if you are still thinking about coming to convention this summer, now is
the time to sign up.Janice
--
Janice Blair
IOLI Convention Teacher Coordinator Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles
northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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RE: [lace] Binche

[Ruth Budge]

Sue, for some reason, Comcast (Clay's internet provider) seems to refuse
mail from overseas internet providers.   A couple of years ago, I was
successful in getting Optus transferred onto Comcast's acceptable list,
and got a few emails through OK.  But they stopped accepting them again very
quickly.

To deal with queries about Lace RXP from anyone on Comcast, I get them to
write to my usual email address, then I use gmail or Yahoo to reply to
them.Comcast will accept either of those servers.

Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Sue Fink
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:36 AM
To: lace digest
Subject: [lace] Binche

Hi Clay,

 

I have tried to send this message directly to Clay, but it has bounced back
twice now!!  Sometimes ISPs just don't want to communicate!!  So apologies
for sending it to Arachne!!

 

Many thanks for your reply to my post on Arachne.  I too use insect pins and
have started putting in support pins on occasion.  I think your idea of
painting the head of the support pins red is BRILLIANT!!  I will have to get
out the red paint too!!

 

Sincerely,

 

Sue Fink

Masterton, New Zealand

 

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Re: [lace] Binche kitty?

[Clay Blackwell]

No, sorry!  I don't have that pattern.  But I don't think it's a fan...  
it's a circular mat.  The design is repeated twice, so it wasn't 
necessary to draw the whole thing.


Clay

On 8/13/2011 8:33 AM, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:

Hello All!  Thanks for the links sof--love all the pics!  Scrolling down, it looks 
like a Binche fan pattern with a kitty  the gal who posted the picture is 
looking for the pattern.  I would be too, if I knew anything about Binche!!  
Perhaps Clay has this one in her stash of future projects!  LOL  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle, Erie, PA USA





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Re: [lace] Binche progress report

[Clay Blackwell]

Big Laugh!  Those Binche corners are killers!  When I work a 
handkerchief, I expect to have to work five corners!!  So when I started 
the last handkerchief I did, I started just before the corner!  And 
wouldn't you know...  it was perfect!  The problem was, I hadn't given 
myself enough lace at the beginning to do a decent join, so had to work 
five corners anyway!!  Lesson learned...


Clay

On 5/17/2011 4:34 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:

Last night I worked the 2nd corner.  Half way finished!!!  I think I got all
the threads going in the right direction for the 2nd corner.  (We won't talk
about the first corner.)
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] Binche progress report

[bev walker]

But Clay, tell yourself as I would - it was fun to do the five corners!
I'm doing a five-cornered Binche hanky also! It is Cinderella Story
from the Bobijntne! 4 folder by Fumie Kanai. Of interest to Binche
workers, I've enlarged the pattern at 125% and using E.C. 70/2 instead
of the 100/2. I used to use arrows and special pins to mark my place
on the lace and the diagram but I can find my way now by comparing my
lace to the diagram.
(go me - it was a long learning curve there...)

I count pairs to keep track, and how easy it is to forget to count a
ring pair; how those ring pairs move around!

Good luck Lorelei ;)

On 5/17/11, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote:
 Big Laugh!  Those Binche corners are killers!  When I work a
 handkerchief, I expect to have to work five corners!!  So when I started
 the last handkerchief I did, I started just before the corner!  And
 wouldn't you know...  it was perfect!  The problem was, I hadn't given
 myself enough lace at the beginning to do a decent join, so had to work
 five corners anyway!!  Lesson learned...

 Clay

 On 5/17/2011 4:34 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:
 Last night I worked the 2nd corner.  Half way finished!!!
-- 
Bev (approaching corner #2 of the Binche hanky) in Shirley BC, near
Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Binche progress report

[Clay Blackwell]

Well, not only was it fun, but when the piece had been joined, I had 
this perfect little corner scrap!  I stuck it in my purse calendar, 
and now when someone says, you make what?, I can show them.  And I 
don't even mind that they touch it!  I consider it a privileged 
ambassador to our art...  more people have seen this than anything else 
I've made, and it isn't even the good stuff (only because it's a 
scrap...)  but in terms of beautiful lace - WOW!


Clay

On 5/17/2011 5:27 PM, bev walker wrote:

But Clay, tell yourself as I would - it was fun to do the five corners!
I'm doing a five-cornered Binche hanky also! It is Cinderella Story
from the Bobijntne! 4 folder by Fumie Kanai. Of interest to Binche
workers, I've enlarged the pattern at 125% and using E.C. 70/2 instead
of the 100/2. I used to use arrows and special pins to mark my place
on the lace and the diagram but I can find my way now by comparing my
lace to the diagram.
(go me - it was a long learning curve there...)

I count pairs to keep track, and how easy it is to forget to count a
ring pair; how those ring pairs move around!

Good luck Lorelei ;)

On 5/17/11, Clay Blackwellclayblackw...@comcast.net  wrote:

Big Laugh!  Those Binche corners are killers!  When I work a
handkerchief, I expect to have to work five corners!!  So when I started
the last handkerchief I did, I started just before the corner!  And
wouldn't you know...  it was perfect!  The problem was, I hadn't given
myself enough lace at the beginning to do a decent join, so had to work
five corners anyway!!  Lesson learned...

Clay

On 5/17/2011 4:34 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:

Last night I worked the 2nd corner.  Half way finished!!!


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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Kate Henry]

Thanks for saying again that it is totally ok to start with whatever lace 
pleases your eye. The lacemakers in Valenciennes START with Valenciennes. 
etc etc etc.  Just do what you love and you will be happy.  Most of us start 
with Torchon because it contains everything that is in all of the other 
laces, and the threads are fat enough to see without a magnifying glass. 
From there, they specialize, and add sweet trademark combinations. Once you 
get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options. There are only two 
ways to lay a thread over the one next to it, right over left OR left over 
right. Look closely and you will see which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you 
have lace. ALL of them.

:)Kate Henry
Indiana USA

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Subject: Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?


 Is there a beginner's book for Binche  is this lace relatively easy to 
learn?


Binche, along with Flanders and other members of the same family, uses
working methods that don't usually arise in the other laces you
mention. Pairs can be workers one minute, passives the next. The method
of working is irregular, and sometimes your pairs may even travel back
up the lace. You often tension by pulling one pair against others that
you have held down, but there may not be pins for you to tension
against. Someone from this list once described the thread diagram as
psychotic railroad tracks - a description I've always enjoyed.

Interestingly, there aren't any difficult new techniques - these laces
are made with the skills you already have, but -
when you enter this world you may find some 'rules' you've learned
about making lace don't apply any more, and that can be a very
difficult and frustrating experience.

The first time I tried a lace in this family (after nearly 20 years of
lacemaking experience) I was on my own with a book, and after several
hours of concentrated effort I broke down in tears. Eventually I found
a teacher. My first beginner piece was a half inch wide and required
only 25 pairs. The first repeat of that lace (about an inch and a half)
took me 8 hours (!) (the second 5 hours, and third 2 hours).

Now I've made these types of laces for a few years, and I still
couldn't make one without following a diagram.

So, that's why people will tell you Binche is difficult. For most
people it really is. But I find it totally absorbing and rewarding to
make.

Beginner books are few. There is a Syllabus Binche series from the
Kantcentrum in Belgium. They start you off by working various grounds
of snowflakes. Way back in 1989 Michael Giusiana  Linda Dunn put out a
book Binche lace that, after a brief review of other laces in the
family (Flanders, Point de Paris, Valenciennes), again leads you into
Binche via snowflakes. Personally I found making snowflake ground quite
tedious, and not exceptionally good at preparing you for Binche, and I
stopped after the first two samples. (by the way, it was Binche with
Valenciennes Ground from that book that took me 8 hours for the first
repeat)

Many people recommend starting out with Flanders, so you get used to
the ring pairs and the method of working cloth stitch fillings while
working what many consider to be an easier lace. There are more
beginner Flanders books (I think Mary Niven's book is still available)
than beginner Binche books.

Other people say doing Flanders to prepare you for Binche is a little
like learning to ski to prepare you for snowboarding. Why not just
learn to snowboard in the first place.

Reading this over, I can't help thinking it isn't very helpful. The
truth is, these are hard laces to make, and due to their structure
there aren't that many beginner patterns.

Hope this helps somehow.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Sue Duckles]

LOL  I love this!!!

Sue in EY
On 21 Jun 2008, at 18:23, Kate Henry wrote:
 Once you get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options.  
There are only two ways to lay a thread over the one next to it,  
right over left OR left over right. Look closely and you will see  
which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you have lace. ALL of them.


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Re: [lace] Binche on eBay

[clayblackwell]

Oh sure, David!!  Except in three months, I'd barely get one side done!!  Even 
working every day at the pillow when I was under a deadline, it took six months 
to do a much smaller, much less complex piece!!  I know I don't set a land 
speed record with my lacemaking...  but I doubt anyone could do a credible job 
of that piece in three months.

Not that you've devoted all of your time to this piece (I know you have had 
other projects...), but how is that lovely Tonder piece going?

Clay

--
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Lynchburg, VA USA 


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From: David in Ballarat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 At 11:18 AM 16/04/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 I have followed, with great interest, an auction on eBay for a 
 beautiful piece of Binche lace which appeared to be a relatively 
 recent piece. The auction ended today, with the handkerchief 
 selling for nearly $500. As someone who has made several Binche 
 handkerchief edgings (although none as stunning as this one...) I 
 must say that while the price paid was high, the wages earned by the 
 lacemaker were still appallingly low. Still, I am encouraged by the 
 fact that the lace we make is becoming more valued! While I suspect 
 that a lacemaker has bought this piece (I was tempted !), it is 
 clear that our own valuation of our work helps drive up the market!! 
  
 eBay ID number... 370041543780 
 
 Most interesting Clay. Now why don't we flood the market with that 
 design ? :) Got a spare 3 months? 
 David in Ballarat 
 
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RE: [lace] Binche on eBay

[Sally Schoenberg]

It looked familiar to me too, so I got out my copy of Anne Marie Verbeke's
Binche Syllabus III.  The Ebay edging has the hart from 't Herte, pattern 7,
and the center dogs and corners of De Beeste of pattern 6.  I've never seen
the Ebay edging before.  The lacemaking was well done.

Sally Schoenberg
Farmington New Mexico

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Re: [lace] Binche on eBay

[David in Ballarat]

At 11:18 AM 16/04/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have followed, with great interest, an auction on eBay for a 
beautiful piece of Binche lace which appeared to be a relatively 
recent piece.  The auction ended today, with the handkerchief 
selling for nearly $500.   As someone who has made several Binche 
handkerchief edgings (although none as stunning as this one...) I 
must say that while the price paid was high, the wages earned by the 
lacemaker were still appallingly low.  Still, I am encouraged by the 
fact that the lace we make is becoming more valued!  While I suspect 
that a lacemaker has bought this piece (I was tempted !), it is 
clear that our own valuation of our work helps drive up the market!!


eBay ID number... 370041543780


Most interesting Clay. Now why don't we flood the market with that 
design ?  :) Got a spare 3 months?

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Binche sampler 'kompakt'

[Jo Falkink]

This compact Binche sampler is surely one for my wisch list. But don't the 
few connections make them vulnerable?



http://www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=99Itemid=103limit=1limitstart=2
and tinied: *http://tinyurl.com/34f52d*


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Re: [lace] Binche sampler 'kompakt'

[bevw]

Just looking at the picture of the front cover, because it is a 'sampler'
its use is more in the making of it as a learning tool, rather than making a
piece of lace to use, such as a mat on a table. Then as Robin pointed out,
it is a 'spiral square' rather a unique artwork there. We could use hidden
threads or even glue to fix it in place on a board :)

On 6/30/07, Jo Falkink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This compact Binche sampler is surely one for my wisch list. But don't the
 few connections make them vulnerable?

 
 http://www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de/index.php?option=contenttask=viewid=99Itemid=103limit=1limitstart=2
  and tinied: *http://tinyurl.com/34f52d*


-- 
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Binche sampler 'kompakt'

[robinlace]

Oh, that's cool!  It's a square spiral of Binche designs.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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 I was curious and located the sampler that Ursula mentioned, at 
 the 'Mappen' link.
 It is here: http://www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de/index.php?
option=contenttask=viewid=99Itemid=103limit=1limitstart=2

 and tinied:
 
 *http://tinyurl.com/34f52d*

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Re: [lace] Binche book

[anneke reijs]

Bridget wrote:
it is self-published, but there is no address in the book

 Hello Bridget and all,

When there is a ISBN number on the book, your bookstore can tell you the
address where you can contact the author or the publisher!

Anneke Reijs, in Baexem, The Netherlands

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Re: [lace] Binche lace study

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Amanda!

I'm sending Giusiana's Study Guide to you in a private
email, for your future reference!

 This would be the Step by Step Guide?  [re: Niven]

Yes.  I have the original book, which is Flanders Lace: A
Step by Step Guide.

 Just out of curiosity, is the need for a teacher because
the
 syllabus lacks all the details (doesn't have complete
diagrams,
 etc) or because of intangibles like a need for correct
tension?
 I've never had a teacher so I don't know if I'm missing
out on
 the latter category by doing things my own way.

Actually, the need for a teacher is that in the Syllabus
Binche series (by Verbeke-Billiet) it is assumed that you
have some fundamental knowledge of Continental SOPs
(standard operating procedures...), as well as some of the
very helpful tricks of the trade which are (in my limited
experience) found only in certain situations in Continental
laces.  Vera Cockuyt has a self-published booklet called
Suggestions How to Improve Binche which spells some of
these tricks out nicely, but it takes some intuitive
reasoning as well as trial and error to know when to apply
them if you don't have a teacher handy.   If you are a
lacemaker who is comfortable with trial and error whenever
you tackle a new challenge, then you won't be so frustrated
without a teacher.  But if you are easily frustrated and
want to know how to do it right the first time (even if it
isn't pretty!), then you will be happier with a teacher.
That isn't to say you can't do it - but you may be more
frustrated.  And in answer to another part of your
question - Verbeke-Billiet's diagrams are beautiful and
complete.  But knowing the SOPs and special tricks is
assumed.

  Giusiana's samples are drawn from a comprehensive list
of
  books which include Verbeke-Billiet's, his own four
books
  (including one which is out of print), and several
others by
  Ulrike Lohr, Ermute Wesenburg, and others.

 This sounds more complete but also more expensive in the
end :)

Well, in all honesty - yes.  But more expensive than what?
Buying how many books on Torchon lace and then Bucks lace
and then... and then...?  Let's face it... when we take on a
new lace, we spend way more money than we ever planned to
in order to gettum while they're hot!  I have bought every
book I could lay my hands on in the last five or six  years,
and lots of them are no longer available.  And in all
honesty, I haven't parted with but two or three of them.
But you don't have to buy all the books at the same time.
You can get started quite nicely with Niven's book and
Giusiana's Binche II: The Old Becomes New.  (Ironically,
Binche II takes you through your paces more thoroughly than
his earlier   Binche Handkerchiefs. )  If you find, after
working through Niven's book, that you're doing well, then
invest in Binche II and continue your studies.   That's
part of the value of this study guide...  you don't have to
own the whole library in order to get some benefit from your
studies, and you can add to your library as your grow.

I hope you decide to take the plunge, and I hope you enjoy
Continental laces (especially Binche) as much as I do !

Clay





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Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] One Designer's Input on Her Copyrights


 On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 06:21:51PM -0400, Clay Blackwell
wrote:

  Hi Amanda !

 Hi!  Thanks for your reply!

  Mary Niven's book (republished last year) is an
excellent
  resource for that [Flanders].

 This would be the Step by Step Guide?

  Moving into Binche, one readily
  available (from lace vendors) option is the series of
  Syllabus Binche from Anne-Marie Verbeke-Billiet (there
are
  three in the series).  However, this is best used if you
  have a teacher at hand who can help you with each step
of
  the way.

 Just out of curiosity, is the need for a teacher because
the
 syllabus lacks all the details (doesn't have complete
diagrams,
 etc) or because of intangibles like a need for correct
tension?
 I've never had a teacher so I don't know if I'm missing
out on
 the latter category by doing things my own way.  So far
I've
 stuck to books with good diagrams, except for the Russian
Lace
 which I'm just having fun with.

  Another option is the Binche Study Guide prepared by
Michael
  Giusiana, which gives the student a specific list of
samples
  which should be worked as one progresses through the
levels.

 Tell me more :)  Is this in print or electrons?

  Giusiana's samples are drawn from a comprehensive list
of
  books which include Verbeke-Billiet's, his own four
books
  (including one which is out of print), and several
others by
  Ulrike Lohr, Ermute Wesenburg, and others.

 This sounds more complete but also more expensive in the
end :)

  Michael's Study Guide is something he is happy for us to
  share with each other!  He has sent it to anyone who
wants
  it, and has given us permission to send it on 

RE: [lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw

[Clay Blackwell]

Hello Margaret -

I believe that you're referring to Mrs. Beryl Maw who recently published a
pattern pack for the design, A Snowy Spring Day in My Garden.  It is a
beautiful design, and well worth finding.

I was able to get a copy through the assistance of a friend in UK who was
willing to accept my payment through PayPal and go to the trouble of
mailing it to me.  It is my understanding that Mrs. Maw is selling the pack
directly, but does not have a computer, so cannot take PayPal.  I would
expect that given the demand for this pack, vendors will be stocking it. 
My recommendation is that you contact your favorite vendor and see if they
can get it for you.

Not long ago, the person who sent my copy to me wrote this to the list...

Suggestions on how to get it:

Ask someone you know who has a Paypal account to do what I'm doing for
friends. I'm actually collecting them personally from Beryl on Friday and
sending them on - normally she'll be doing the posting.

Get a group together and send a sterling cheque to cover all the copies and
postages and have them send to individual addresses - it'll be cheaper to
buy one cheque (at least it is here in places where there's a flat charge).

If anyone wants to take on distribution in other countries, I'm sure Beryl
would be happy to hear from you, but I stress - it's purely for charity and
not for profit.

Clay

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 Date: 7/16/2004 4:50:33 AM
 Subject: [lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw

 I am looking for a copy of Margaret Maw's Binche Pattern Pack.  Can
anyone
 tell me where I can get a copy and how much it will cost.
 Many thanks
 Margaret Greenway

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Re: [lace] Binche

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 2/15/2004 2:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Antwerp was the
source of Pottenkant, a straight lace with long symmetrical repeats which
featured a pot of flowers as the design.  Aside from the design style the
grounds of Pottenkant were much the same (with a few differences) as for
Valenciennes/Binche or Mechlin: Paris, Flanders, round Valenciennes,
sometimes torchon.
Bertha Van Doren wrote several articles about Binche for the Lace Magazine of 
the Belgian Lace School which are very interesting. Sometimes one tends to 
discount some of Van Doren's assertions about Antwerp because she is the world's 
greatest cheer leader for Antwerp. For another source about Antwerp laces 
though, there is the Caroluskantjes by Nora Andries. The majority of the laces 
there are not Pottenkant and they do bear some similarities to Binche as well as 
to the cauliflower laces. They date from the 17th century.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 07/07/2003 1:30:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Belgium is a very little country but it's divided in three regions : one is
 french speaking (Wallonia), one is dutch speaking (Flanders) and a little
 one is german speaking.  Binche is in Wallonia, not all the belgian laces
 come from Flanders 

Thank you so much for your response. It is these very distinctions that are 
so hard for me to understand, but that I think travel would clarify. I have an 
inordinate amount of trouble trying to get a clear picture of Philip the Bold, 
etc. I have been looking for history books on the region, epecially in the 
1560-1760 time frame and I think I have not found any because I am looking under 
Flanders. Perhaps I should be looking under The Netherlands?
My book on Renaissance tapestry ends with the invasion of the Duke of Alba of 
Spain around 1560. It seems that many of the tapestry makers were Protestant 
and fled to Protestant countries, such as Germany, Switzerland and England 
where they set up tapestry industries. And yet the region then goes on to produce 
these wonderful laces. How did this transition occur? What is the role of the 
Protestant Reformation in the history of lace? I feel so handicapped by my 
poor grasp of history and geography that I can't even find the book that would 
contain the answers.
Devon
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Linda Walton]

Dear Liduina, and Lacemakers,

Liduina wrote:-
 This year was my last year in the laceschool in Binche.  We were 8
students
 to end our training and to present the exam, we all succeeded.  We are
very
 proud :o...

my congratulations to you and your colleagues.

 They have a new site in Binche : http://www.dentelledebinche.be , (snip)

Thank you for posting this website.  It is very interesting, especially the
two videos of the lace being made:  I have added it to my favourites list,
so that I can pass it on to friends who've never seen lace being made.

The thread looks so fine - what do you use ?

Best wishes from
Linda Walton,
in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
(where - thankfully - we've had some rain to help the garden along).
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Dmt11home]

Congratulations! 
If one were to make a trip to Binche, apart from the school, what would a 
person who is interested in lace and tapestry be able to see?  Are there any 
museums of interest to the textile enthusiast? Would it be worthwhile to visit 
Binche to try to understand the history of Flanders and the reasons why it became 
a center of manufacture for fine textiles? What towns would be the best to 
see? Mechelen? Valenciennes? Tournai? Ghent? Enghien? Liege?
Devon
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Sof]

Bravo

Sof

On 2 Jul 2003, at 11:50, Liduina wrote:

 Hello,
 This year was my last year in the laceschool in Binche.  We were 8
 students to end our training and to present the exam, we all
 succeeded.  We are very proud :o... One of us is the first man who
 is qualified in Binche. They have a niew site in Binche :
 http://www.dentelledebinche.be , it's only in french but you'll see
 our professors : Ms Rems and Blanchart and some of the laces that are
 made in Binche.
 
 Liduina, from a stormy Belgium.
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