Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was LI Any ideas or help would be appreciated]
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"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Terry - yes. Yes. In attenuated fashion I just posted related
thoughts to Bill; I hope you get a chance to see it, it should arrive
just a minute before this post. But I think you have said *more*, and
this would be quite important, have you here posited a way the Civil
Code can hold sway, and the criminal case (Ward) could have been so
reasoned? Stellar. :) LDMF.
PS: from what is derived your first sentences on murder? Particular
law, or are you drawing that from the conditional in the statute ("in
the event of the child's subsequent birth")?
It was held by at least one court that a fetus killed by the mother being
shot was murder. I have no idea whether the decision was upheld through
appeals. Even doctors have been charged with murder for aborting viable
fetuses though I don't know if any convictions survived appeal. That seems
a much stronger case than even the wording of 4.3.1.
I saw the court decision later that said that other decisions had denied the
applicability of the statute and that plain language itself as well as the
intent of the legislature argued against a pregnant woman being a mother. I
cannot really speak to that except that lawyers obviously don't speak plain
English.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems rather clear to me, Linda. The most extreme case is when a fetus is
killed which is not covered by 43.1. That has been found to be murder
when it is done without the mother's consent. But if a fetus is to be
"deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for the child's interests in
the event of the child's subsequent birth" the child's interests are
certainly harmed by an attack on the mother. The interests of the mother
and fetus are nearly identical in this case.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
H Bill - I am having a bit of trouble finding Susan's post of the civil
statute. Here are two relevant paragraphs I had clipped out, suggesting
that an unborn offspring is a child and thus a person, with life and
liberty rights. The crim case, though, goes to the mothers rights. Do
you think if the civil statute were to govern in the criminal context,
the child would have a large interest in the mother'sa interests (in
being protected)? That could IMO be a bridge between the two, and
perhaps the legslative intent of both sets of laws comingle here. Sue?
Terry? Streve? Others?:)
LDMF.
--- Code:
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CALIFORNIA CODES
CIVIL CODE
SECTION 43-53
43. Besides the personal rights mentioned or recognized in the
Government Code, every person has, subject to the qualifications and
restrictions provided by law, the right of protection from bodily
restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from
injury to his personal relations.
43.1. A child conceived, but not yet born, is deemed an existing
person, so far as necessary for the child's interests in the event of
the child's subsequent birth.
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Re: LI Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: OK I see where you are coming from. I still have a problem though. According to the Supreme Court a fetus is not considered a child, but according to the Civil statute a fetus is considered a child. They can't have it both ways, IMO. Either it is or it isn't. Sue Hi Sue, You're exactly right with respect to the rights of the woman and she should be able to sue the person who killed her fetus for a large judgment. But this does not relate to the rights of the fetus. It seems that the law says the fetus has not rights as a person until he/she is born. But once the fetus is born, those rights apply to any damages that was done to him/her at any time after conception. If the fetus dies before birth, then no rights would be in effect. But the rights of the mother are clearly defined by law. Again the issue of abortion seems to invite comparison here. IF a fetus had the same rights as a person that we all have, then included in this is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a fetus is given those rights under the law, then how can the law allow abortion? Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Polygraph Testing/Jackie, Sue
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie - wondering about the myth that one would not say or do something under hypnosis or under the influence, that one would not in a respressed way be inclined to do anyway. With the sodium pentathol, hypnosis, and even polygraphs and other analogue techniques, I should think it difficult to tell if arousal states can comfortably be mapped onto deeply held beliefs, or their duals (negations). A hard call? :) LDMF. --Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L Sue would know more than me about sodium penothol. I only know from experience the effects of the stuff. Yep, Sue, some people do say some weird things. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L.: Sodium Penothol is a ultra-short acting barbiturate which induces sleep. Other than that I have no idea what it would be used for, but have seen in movies that it is used as a truth serum. Don't know if that is true or not. :) I have seen people get quite talkative when coming out of it, but I don't know if they were telling the truth or not. And I have heard things that patients have said that I am sure they wouldn't want their spouse to hear. LOL Sue Jackie, Sue - hi - a question: what is the deal with so-called "truth serum?" Is that sodium pentathol? Not sure. But isn't there an injection (usually) that so relaxes a person that the tongue goes wag wag wag? Waiting to be enlightened... :) LDMF. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, You're exactly right with respect to the rights of the woman and she should be able to sue the person who killed her fetus for a large judgment. But this does not relate to the rights of the fetus. It seems that the law says the fetus has not rights as a person until he/she is born. But once the fetus is born, those rights apply to any damages that was done to him/her at any time after conception. If the fetus dies before birth, then no rights would be in effect. But the rights of the mother are clearly defined by law. Again the issue of abortion seems to invite comparison here. IF a fetus had the same rights as a person that we all have, then included in this is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a fetus is given those rights under the law, then how can the law allow abortion? Bill On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:31:54 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve: On the abortion issue, I think that Terry brought up something that to me makes sense. That issue relates to the rights of the woman. In this case the woman's rights were violated because she had no choice as to whether her baby was or wasn't harmed. That is the way I see it anyway. :) Sue As far as the law goes over here a fetus is not a baby or a child until it is to, advanced to legally allow a abortion, this includes using a fetus for genetic and Pharmaceutical research. I think that is a good place to begin with although there are minor pressure groups trying to get the legal limit reduced. The question of when does a baby become a person is one for which I cannot find a comfortable time for, and I think the research that I have seen on Discovery and other programs about when a baby becomes self aware all leave me feeling uneasy. Another thing we discussed (at college today) was the use of oxygenated liquid to help premature babies with undeveloped lungs survive, its an offshoot from deep sea diving technology (as in the film Abyss, your government was actually quite aggrieved that it was used in the film). As our ability to keep premature babies alive improves I feel it will make the above question more and more difficult. When the technology comes along to enable a baby to grow without its mother then some serious sociological questions have to be answered. Its bad enough with that but when we can successfully clone ourselves to use as spare parts then Frankenstein will be alive and well for sure. Medical technology is reaching a point were all the unacceptable things that we depicted in comic books, are now becoming closer to reality. Steve -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Welcome Diane
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Re: LI Serial Killers/Definition
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue :) Please look under the Subject of Serial Killers I just typed up some things concerning them. Terry I'm going to address your post in the morning it's now 4:15a.m. and I need to catch some sleep :) Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy and Terry: Wouldn't anyone who kills, no matter what the reason, a "series" of people be consider a serial killer. Be it revenge, sexual, or otherwise. Just wondering. :) Sue Hi Kathy, As I said before I am by far not a expert on SK's I do know a bit about them though... Only a fool would question that. :-} The extra Chromosome as you are discussing below may be a key into the cause of SK's, it's just not known yet. It would be nice if we could find out what causes it, and hopefully they can pin down some definite medical reasons. Understand the extra chromosome is still quite controversial and evidence is mixed. In the particular case of Shawcross it seemed even less implicated than the other apparent genetic defect which seemed to be ignored except in one dark corner. I know of no evidence that all serial killers share any particular genetic or environmental defect though many things are quite common. Shawcross varied from the profile of most serial killers in numerous ways. This monster was really odd. Examples: His first killings were those of a pedophile. He would not have been expected to transfer his killings to adult women. He was capable of taking responsibility for his actions rather than blaming the victim Concerning Hoffman I agree he is not a SK, more of a exterminator out for revenge is what it looks like to me... Ummm - I looked up serial killer in a dictionary without success. a SK has a very specific profile, Aren't you turning things upside down, Kathy? If we take the profile of all serial killers we will no doubt get common characteristics of many. But that does not define serial killers. in that it's rare they will know their victims, and they get sexual gratification from the torture of their victims. Is Ted Kaczynski then not a serial killer? Sexual gratification is a nebulous concept itself. It is arguable whether serial killers are simply looking for sex or the sex is a means of gratifying an even more powerful lust, e.g. that for power. I am sure some will argue Ted Kaczynski got a sexual thrill from his bombings. Revenge at a victim is not something in the psych of a SK, now sometimes there is someone who the victims will represent, mother or grandmother, and that is how they will pick their victims. Seems to me revenge is an even more obvious motive of serial killing than sexual thrills. And Wayne Williams' murky motivation seems furthest removed from all others I know of. I have never heard anyone deny Wayne Williams was a serial killer if you assume his guilt (as I do). The fiber evidence is quite convincing IMO. Understanding a phenomenon requires that one look at the edges and find dividing lines as well as looking for commonality. Best, Terry -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI NASA UNVEILS INTELLIGENT TEST AIRCRAFT Source: CNI News
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like a solved case, this is why the B2 Stealth Bombers are costing you $0.5 billion each. Spooky :-) NASA UNVEILS "INTELLIGENT" TEST AIRCRAFT Source: CNI News [The following press release was issued by NASA on August 2. CNI News finds this of interest on two counts: first, because it reveals that NASA and associated agencies are working with highly exotic but operational "waverider" technology capable of hypersonic speed and previously associated with controversial claims concerning the "Aurora;" and second, perhaps more interesting still, because NASA now reveals the existence of neural network control systems in this test aircraft, a technology that some researchers believe was derived from the back-engineering of alien spacecraft.] NASA and the U.S. Air Force today unveiled a jet-powered aircraft equipped with state-of-the-art flight control technologies that will demonstrate a computerized flight control system that learns as it flies -- especially important for the demands of ultra high-speed flight. Called the Low-Observable Flight Test Experiment (LoFLYTE), the 8-foot-4-inch aircraft, announced at a briefing in Oshkosh, WI, has been developed by Accurate Automation Corp., Chattanooga, TN, for NASA and the Air Force. The program contracts are being administered through NASA's Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA, and the Air Force Wright Laboratory, Dayton, OH, under the Small Business Innovative Research Program. The experimental LoFLYTE aircraft will be used to explore new flight control techniques involving neural networks, which allow the aircraft control system to learn by mimicking the pilot. The model is a Mach 5 waverider design -- a futuristic hypersonic aircraft configuration that actually cruises on top of its own shockwave. Waverider aircraft, powered by airbreathing hypersonic engines, would fly at speeds above Mach 4. LoFLYTE represents the first known flying waverider vehicle configuration, but upcoming flight tests at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA, will be flown only at low subsonic speeds to explore take-off and landing control issues. The remotely-piloted aircraft has been designed to demonstrate that neural network flight controls are superior to conventional flight controls. Neural networks are computer systems that actually learn by doing. The computer network consists of many interconnected control systems, or nodes, similar to neurons in the brain. Each node assigns a value to the input from each of its counterparts. As these values are changed, the network can adjust the way it responds. The aircraft's flight controller consists of a network of multiple-instruction, multiple-data neural chips. The network will be able to continually alter the aircraft's control laws in order to optimize flight performance and take the pilot's responses into consideration. Over time, the neural network system could be trained to control the aircraft. The use of neural networks in flight would help pilots fly in quick-decision situations and help damaged aircraft land safely even when controls are partially destroyed. The main objective of LoFLYTE is to demonstrate the utility of such a flight control system that learns through experience, said Robert Pegg of Langley's Hypersonic Vehicles Office. In addition to experimenting with neural networks, the flight of the model also is key as a low-speed demonstration of a hypersonic vehicle. "We're very interested in both outcomes, both the neural net technology and the flight characteristics," he said. "We see a big advantage to using this type of control system in a hypersonic vehicle," Pegg said. "At those high speeds, things happen so quickly that the pilot cannot control the aircraft as easily as at subsonic speeds." The waverider was chosen as the testbed for the neural networks because the configuration has an inherently high hypersonic lift-to-drag ratio. If neural networks can control this "worst-case scenario" configuration, then they should be able to handle virtually any other configuration. The waverider configuration was also chosen because it allows for long hypersonic cruise ranges of up to 8,000 miles. At an altitude of 90,000 feet, a Mach 5 waverider would fly at a rate of one mile per second. Technologies being implemented in the LoFLYTE program could eventually find their way into commercial, general aviation and military aircraft. LoFLYTE TM A Next Generation Advanced Technology Demonstrator A Next Generation Advanced Technology Demonstrator Accurate Automation Corporation (AAC) is developing the LoFLYTE testbed aircraft. LoFLYTE stands for Low Observable Flight Test Experiment. The LoFLYTE program will demonstrate several advanced technologies within a series of stealthy hypersonic aircraft. The first two aircraft will be jet powered and will be unmanned. They will fly slower than the speed of sound, but each
LI A Little Late Friday Jokes
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Re: LI Any ideas or help would be appreciated
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue - did I miss this - does the criminal Ward case cite to (awknowledge) the civil law allowing a "person" reading to an unborn child? My impression was that you had found inapposite law', that is they are not compatible laws, but they are not being cited in the same case. My impression was that Ward relies on Civil Law (including Family Law) and so the Civil Code bestowing personhood on the unborn could be relevant. But did a lawyer bring this us in Ward. or did the court itself do so sua spone (on its own initiative? I'd thought not, but will go back and look. Let me know! Cheers, :) LDMF. Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L.: Now I am dizzy. LOL On the California Law Page, http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html , there are 29 different sections each dealing with different aspects of the law. Family, Civil, Penal, Vehicle, etc. I did find out that it didn't matter if it was a family law, civil law or whatever it could be used in a felony case. In other words just because a law is a civil law, does not mean that it can't be brought into a felony murder case. Is that what you mean. :) That basically is why I am so confused by this decision. They are saying under the family code that a fetus is not a child, and then they are turning around and saying under the civil code that a fetus is a child. I realize that they are using the definition that best suits their purpose in making the law they are referring to, however it can't be two ways, IMO. Either the fetus is a child or it isn't. Sue You don't seem confused to me, Sue, you seem modest. But HERE is confused: in the Ward criminal case they seem to rely on Civil Code, that is Family Law code, do they not? I am not familiar with California Law, but hereabouts Family Law is considered civil code -- and it can be used in conjunction with penal code, which conjoining, however, does not change its character. So THAT's confused. :) :) L. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Polygraph Testing
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Don't know if I desire such praise, but thanks anyway. But you know ole' grannie here--not everyone does. G. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Jackief wrote: No the reason I am questioning her statement is not because of your statement about Jones is trailer trash and he is President. That is not why I question her statement at all. I don't judge people for where they live.. I lived in a trailer court for over 6 years and I don't consider myself trash so why would I consider her trash. But I also don't simply believe her just because she says it is so. So if you are assuming that the only reason some of us question her statement is because of the difference in status of ole' Bill and her, you are mistaken, at least as far as assuming that is my bias. HI Jackie, Wow, great post!! I snipped most of it because of its length, but it was one of the finest slam dunks I've seen on any discussion group. It's nice to read facts from someone who has the expertise and who takes the time to research all sides of an issue. For those of us who rely on the evidence to make judgments this kind of information is invaluable. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc LOL Maybe we could have a Satan and Sataness, like Yin and Yang. jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-26 20:05:51 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He managed to get it changed to 665 1/2 to save himself and Nancy from the Great Satan. (I thought that was me lol) Spooky Move over, Steve. Didn't we establish that Satan is a woman? Get off my throne, buddy! Cec Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Brother of Megan's Killer Charged
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue Thanks for the article. I think I will try to use it for a discussion on Monday. Wonder if they would be ready for something like this. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Here is one for your nature vs nurture research. :( Sue Brother of Megan's Killer Charged NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. (AP) -- The brother of the man who murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka, leading to the creation of ``Megan's laws'' to warn communities about sex offenders in their midst, was arrested on charges he sexually assaulted two girls. Paul Timmendequas, 34, was arrested Wednesday and scheduled to be arraigned today on charges of aggravated sexual assault, aggravated sexual contact and endangering the welfare of a minor. He is the younger brother of Jesse Timmendequas, who was sentenced to death last May for luring little Megan into his home and raping and killing her in 1994. Paul Timmendequas has said that both he and Jesse were sexually abused by their father. Megan's parents, Maureen and Richard Kanka, had been unaware a convicted sex offender was living nearby, and her death led them to campaign for what came to be known as Megan's laws. The laws, enacted in New Jersey and across the country, require community notification when a released sex offender deemed to be still dangerous moves to a neighborhood. Paul Timmendequas was accused of assaulting two girls before dawn Monday in separate incidents at an East Brunswick home, Prosecutor Robert Corbin said. Corbin said one of the alleged victims was between 10 and 12, while the other was between 13 and 15. Investigators were still trying to determine the connection between the two girls, and between the girls and Timmendequas. The Star-Ledger of Newark today quoted the stepfather of one of the girls as saying confronted Paul Timmendequas on Monday morning. Timmendequas had been staying with the man since January. ``I had a baseball bat nearby, waiting to hit him,'' said the man, who was not identified. But the stepfather said he changed his mind when Timmendequas burst into tears. He said he and the girls did not want him to be prosecuted. ``The kids don't want him to go to jail,'' he said. ``They want him to get help.'' Megan's parents issued a statement Wednesday expressing ``deepest sorrow to the victims and their families, and hope they seek the help they desperately need to get them through this terrible time.'' During his brother's trial, Paul Timmendequas tearfully testified that his father repeatedly sexually abused him and Jesse beginning when they were young boys. Paul Timmendequas was being held at the Middlesex County Correction Center in North Brunswick on $200,000 bail. He faces up to 40 years in prison if convicted. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue Sorry so far behind on posts. I will probably have to lurk more than post the next few weeks. It is not that I don't have much to say (that would never happen--BG), but am swamped--quarterly evaluation summary due; I have to submit the department budget by April 3rd; am rewriting the testbank for Allyn Bacon, and have a teaching overload this quarter. Got tired, just writing about it G. But will try to post a little if I can. Sorry to piggyback on this post to include some other stuff, but I am pressed for time today. So here goes. Forgive me G I was so surprised when I saw that there is a "Minnesota Connection" to this case. The grandparents live a short distance from Austin and my collegue that I do research with and teach with was on local tv (don't know if it will appear nationally) was interviewed. He grew up with older boy's father, worked at the Faribault prison with the boy's mother, would not allow his children to play with the boy when they were neighbors, and was involved with the boy when Tom was the police chief in Grand Meadows. So he knows a lot of the history. He said the boy was always a problem and the parents could not control him, no matter what they did. I am really beginning to wonder about all of Washington. I wonder how much it cost us taxpayers to find out what books Monica is reading?? Now that is an important issue, I would think. There is a site on the Web I will try to get the address for Dr. L. on computer culture. It sounds like it is a new site. They also list a site of professionals you can link with that are discussing computer issues and that may be of interest to her. I will post right after going through the old e-mail after on polygraph testing in response to Terry. I tried to send an attached file, but it was too long. Sorry again Kathy. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I think that you are right about that one. Even during his first campaign he was running with the Hollywood celebs, and was sort of a part of them. Even went on the Arsenio Hall show and played his horn. People do tend to forgive celebs anything. Even if they go to jail. Hillary standing by him certainly didn't hurt at all. Another thing that has been brought up is the fact that people are uneasy about getting into his private sexual life. I think that might have a lot to do with it too. I have thought about the fact that if they can get into his, what is stopping them from getting into any one of ours. Although mine would certainly be boring. BEG Sue -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue What a relief, it can't be used against me vbg!! Ed says I was talking away and saying some really funny things. The nurses were laughing too, so I guess he wasn't pulling my leg. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: It is mostly mumbo jumbo. Nothing anyone could understand much less use against someone. Sue Hi Dr. L Sue would know more than me about sodium penothol. I only know from experience the effects of the stuff. Yep, Sue, some people do say some weird things. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh, Doc A woman after my heart!! Philosophy too? Now I know why we have the same Meyers-Briggs jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-27 14:44:21 EST, you write: Now, aren't you sorry you asked? All this, and masses more, is from the course in Philosophical Roots of Bioethics taught by Tris Englehardt for the Kennedy Institute at Georgetown. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI How To Build An Atom Bomb
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The following article is from: The Journal of Irreproducible Results Volume 25/Number 4/1979 http://www.jir.com/ HOW TO BUILD AN ATOM BOMB 1.INTRODUCTION Worldwide controversy has been generated recently from several court decisions in the United States which have restricted popular magazines from printing articles which describe how to make an atomic bomb. The reason usually given by the courts is that national security would be compromised if such information were generally available. But, since it is commonly known that all of the information is publicly available in most major metropolitan libraries, obviously the court's officially stated position is covering up a more important factor; namely, that such atomic devices would prove too difficult for the average citizen to construct. The United States courts cannot afford to insult the vast majorities by insinuating that they do not have the intelligence of a cabbage, and thus the "official" press releases claim national security as a blanket restriction. The rumors that have unfortunately occurred as a result of widespread misinformation can (and must) be cleared up now, for the construction project this month is the construction of a thermonuclear device, which will hopefully clear up any misconceptions you might have about such a project. We will see how easy it is to make a device of your very own in ten easy steps, to have and hold as you see fit, without annoying interference from the government or the courts. The project will cost between $5,000 and $30,000, depending on how fancy you want the final product to be. Since last week's column, "Let's Make a Time Machine", was received so well in the new step-by-step format, this month's column will follow the same format. 2.CONSTRUCTION METHOD 1.First, obtain about 50 pounds (110 kg) of weapons grade Plutonium at your local supplier (see NOTE 1). A nuclear power plant is not recommended, as large quantities of missing Plutonium tends to make plant engineers unhappy. We suggest that you contact your local terrorist organization, or perhaps the Junior Achievement in your neighborhood. 2.Please remember that Plutonium, especially pure, refined Plutonium, is somewhat dangerous. Wash your hands with soap and warm water after handling the material, and don't allow your children or pets to play in it or eat it. Any left over Plutonium dust is excellent as an insect repellant. You may wish to keep the substance in a lead box if you can find one in your local junk yard, but an old coffee can will do nicely. 3.Fashion together a metal enclosure to house the device. Most common varieties of sheet metal can be bent to disguise this enclosure as, for example, a briefcase, a lunch pail, or a Buick. Do not use tinfoil. 4.Arrange the Plutonium into two hemispheral shapes, separated by about 4 cm. Use rubber cement to hold the Plutonium dust together. 5.Now get about 100 pounds (220 kg) of trinitrotoluene (TNT). Gelignite is much better, but messier to work with. Your helpful hardware man will be happy to provide you with this item. 6.Pack the TNT around the hemisphere arrangement constructed in step 4. If you cannot find Gelignite, fell free to use TNT packed in with Playdo or any modeling clay. Colored clay is acceptable, but there is no need to get fancy at this point. 7.Enclose the structure from step 6 into the enclosure made in step 3. Use a strong glue such as "Crazy Glue" to bind the hemisphere arrangement against the enclosure to prevent accidental detonation which might result from vibration or mishandling. 8.To detonate the device, obtain a radio controlled (RC) servo mechanism, as found in RC model airplanes and cars. With a modicum of effort, a remote plunger can be made that will strike a detonator cap to effect a small explosion. These detonator caps can be found in the electrical supply section of your local supermarket. We recommend the "Blast-O-Mactic" brand because they are no deposit-no return. 9.Now hide the completed device from the neighbors and children. The garage is not recommended because of high humidity and the extreme range of temperatures experienced there. Nuclear devices have been known to spontaneously detonate in these unstable conditions. The hall closet or under the kitchen sink will be perfectly suitable. 10.Now you are the proud owner of a working thermonuclear device! It is a great ice-breaker at parties, and in a pinch, can be used for national defense. 3.THEORY OF OPERATION The device basically works when the detonated TNT compresses the Plutonium into a critical mass. The critical mass then produces a nuclear chain recation similar to the domino chain reaction (discussed in this column, "Dominos on the March", March, 1968). The chain reaction then promptly produces a big
LI Re: Jones' Attorneys Allege Cover-Up
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jones' Attorneys Allege Cover-Up WASHINGTON (AP) -- Paula Jones' attorneys filed court papers Saturday contending President Clinton obstructed justice by withholding letters, notes and telephone messages between the president and Kathleen Willey until after she accused him of a crude sexual advance on national television. In the new papers and an accompanying press release, the attorneys made an accusation against Clinton from 20 years ago involving a woman who had not been mentioned in the Jones case previously. Clinton's attorney said it was an act of desperation and the woman's lawyer said, ``These are vicious rumors and allegations. We're not going to take any position. We're not going to get involved.'' Regarding the Willey documents, Mrs. Jones' lawyers said the White House had expressly denied any such papers existed, including records about Ms. Willey's employment, appointments, duties, conferences, logs and telephone records. The attorneys for Mrs. Jones, who has accused the president of sexual harassment while he was governor of Arkansas, said they asked three months ago for documents concerning Ms. Willey, a volunteer worker at the White House. In the days after Ms. Willey made her allegations in a ``60 Minutes'' interview on March 15, the White House released 17 documents, which consisted of notes, letters and telephone messages. Some of the letters, signed ``Fondly, Kathleen,'' were cited as evidence that the two remained on good terms even after Clinton allegedly fondled her just outside the Oval Office in November 1993. The lawyers said their court filing offers ``new evidence of witness tampering and coverup by defendant Clinton.'' A White House counsel, Jim Kennedy, said Saturday the ``letters and other papers'' referred to by the Jones lawyers in their latest filing ``are White House documents'' as opposed to Clinton's personal papers. ``Mrs. Jones attorneys ... failed to seek these records from the White House.'' Kennedy said Mrs. Jones lawyers on other occasions have sought White House documents and were aware that different subpoenas are necessary to obtain personal items from Clinton and to obtain White House documents. The filing was made in Little Rock, Ark., where the harassment lawsuit is slated to go to trial May 27. The federal judge handling the case is weighing a motion by Clinton's lawyers to dismiss Mrs. Jones' lawsuit. In court papers, Jones's attorneys also said they have gathered evidence suggesting Clinton may have sexually assaulted an Arkansas woman in the late 1970s while he was the state's attorney general. Clinton's lawyer called the allegation an act of desperation and said in a statement that the woman has denied it under oath. The court filing includes a letter from the 1992 campaign year in which Phillip David Yoakum, an acquaintance of the woman, writes to her and says she confided to him about an incident which he says took place 14 years earlier in a hotel room during a conference of the Arkansas State Nursing Home Association in Little Rock. Clinton lawyer Robert Bennett said releasing the material ``is an act of desperation by reckless and irresponsible lawyers who know they have a weak case in the Paula Jones case.'' ``They know that (the woman) under oath has denied these allegations,'' Bennett added. ``What they are doing is with the financial support of the Clinton haters they are trying to taint the jury pool and humiliate the president. We have about seven more weeks of this and finally will be in court where these super leakers will have to present hard evidence.'' Contacted at her home, the woman told The Associated Press, ``I'm aware of the letter. I have no comment on any of it.'' The letter was dated Oct. 23 1992 and purported to describe an incident that occurred in 1978. The allegation in the Jones' court papers said Clinton ``assaulted her and then bribed and/or intimidated her and her family into remaining silent about this outrage.'' The Van Buren, Ark., registered nurse referred
