Re: LI Re:

1998-03-31 Thread Steve Wright

"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



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From: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 5:11 AM
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Jamez :)

Well I can't agree with you here. First off there are medical uses for
marijuana. The relief it offers to cancer patients and those with MS and
arthritis is unbelievable. And now some states are finally realizing
that there is a use for it where it can help people instead of just
taking it to get "high".


A few months ago I was having a problem with my eyes which resulted in me
having a migraine for 5 weeks, it ended up being to do with my eye sight but
they couldn't test for glasses until the migraine had gone as I had lost
most of the sight in my right eye.  But anyway I had got very little sleep
in that time and a friend called me and told me to get over,  I made my
excuses and he ended up driving over to pick me up.  When we got there he
rolled me the biggest joint you ever  seen in your life, 10 minutes later
apart from having a stupid smile on my face :-) I fell asleep and got nearly
12 straight hours which did me the world of good, it was the only thing in
that time that helped as I was on very strong medication which was only of
minor use anyway.
Theres one medical use for you, and another thing which is worse going to
work after you had chilled out with a joint or going to work with a
hangover?

Steve



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Re: LI U. S. Supreme Court -Bragdon v. Abbott

1998-03-31 Thread DocCec

DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


In a message dated 98-03-31 09:25:55 EST, you write:

 Infertility is an impairment of normal physiological function, not a
 physical impairment.
 
 Ron 

Ron, can you expand on that a bit?  What other conditions would fit the same
definition?
Doc

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Re: LI legalization and decriminalization?

1998-03-31 Thread Steve Wright

Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Kathy,

I have grave misgivings about the State killing women, even conniving,
grasping, selfish ones like Mrs. Buenoano.  Her actions against her
husband and son were no impulsive teenage rampage, but the deliberate
diabolical plot of a woman who coldly murdered the members of her family
for money,  Nevertheless, I believe that the use of capital punishment
against the normally "gentler" sex brutalizes society.

If we aren't careful, we could easily regress to the days of puiblic
hangings and drawing and quartering.

Vi


I disagree any guy who has played hockey will tell you that this normally
gentler sex, isn't really all that gentle.  The capacity to commit evil
acts is human not male or female.  Evil brutalizes society not a specific
gender.

Steve



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LI Monday's Jokes

1998-03-31 Thread Sue Hartigan

Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 IRS letter:
 Editor's Note:  Sometimes a story comes to our attention that needs no
 polishing or enhancement to make it a good Block tax story. This is one of
 those. It is a real letter submitted to the IRS in the midst of last
 year's weird and bizarre denial of dependents, exemptions, and credits.
 We believe the letter speaks for itself.

 Dear Sirs:
 I am responding to your letter denying the deduction for two of the three
 dependents I claimed on my 1994 Federal Tax return.  Thank you.  I have
 questioned whether these are my children or not for years. They are evil 
 expensive.  It's only fair that since they are minors and not my
 responsibility that the government (who evidently is taxing me  more to
 care for these waifs) knows something about them and what to expect over
 the next year.  You may apply next year to reassign them to me and
 reinstate the deduction.  This year they are yours!

 The oldest, Kristen, is now 17.  She is brilliant. Ask her!  I suggest you
 put her to work in your office where she can answer people's questions
 about their returns.  While she has no formal training, it has not seemed
 to hamper her knowledge of any other subject you can name; taxes should be
 a breeze. Next year she is going to college.  I think it's wonderful that
 you will now be responsible for that little expense.  While you mull that
 over keep in mind that she has a truck.  It doesn't run at the moment so
 you have the immediate decision of appropriating some Department of
 Defense funds to fix the vehicle or getting up early to drive her to
 school. Kristen also has a boyfriend.  Oh joy.  While she possesses all of
 the wisdom of the universe, her alleged mother and I have felt it best to
 occasionally remind her of the virtues of abstinence, and in the face of
 overwhelming passion, safe sex.  This is always uncomfortable and I am
 quite relieved you will be handling this in the future. May I suggest that
 you reinstate Joycelyn Elders, who had a rather good handle on the
 problem.

 Patrick is 14.  I've had my suspicions about this one.  His eyes are a
 little close together for normal people.  He may be a tax examiner himself
 one day if you do not incarcerate him first.   In February I was awakened
 at three in the morning by a police officer who was bringing Pat home. He
 and his friends were TP'ing houses.  In the future would you like him
 delivered to the local IRS office or to Ogden, UT? Kids at 14 will do
 almost anything on a dare.  His hair is purple. Permanent dye, temporary
 dye, what's the big deal?  Learn to deal with it. You'll have plenty of
 time as he is sitting out a few days of school after instigating a food
 fight.  I'll take care of filing your phone number with the vice
 principal. Oh yes, he and all of his friends have raging hormones. This is
 the house of testosterone and it will be much more peaceful when he lives
 in your home. DO NOT leave any of them unsupervised with girls,
 explosives, inflammables, inflatables, vehicles, or telephones. (I'm sure
 that you will find telephones a source of unimaginable amusement, and be
 sure to lock out the 900 and 976 numbers!)

 Heather is an alien. She slid through a time warp and appeared quite by
 magic one year. I'm sure this one is yours.  She is 10 going on 21.  She
 came from a bad trip in the sixties.  She wears tie-dyed clothes, beads,
 sandals, and hair that looks like Tiny Tim's.  Fortunately you will be
 raising my taxes to help offset the pinch of her remedial reading courses.
 Hooked On Phonics is expensive so the schools dropped it. Good news!  You
 can buy it yourself for half the amount of the deduction that you are
 denying!   It's quite obvious that we were terrible parents (ask the other
 two) so they have helped raise this one to a new level of terror. She
 cannot speak English.  Most people under twenty understand the curious
 patois she fashioned out of valley girls/boyz in the
 hood/reggae/yuppie/political doublespeak.  I  don't. The school sends her
 to a speech pathologist who has her roll her R's.  It added a refreshing
 Mexican/Irish touch to her voice. She wears hats backwards, pants baggy
 and wants one of her ears pierced four more times. There is a fascination
 with tattoos that worries me but I am sure that  you can handle it. Bring
 a truck when you come to get her, as she sort of  "nests" in her room and
 I think that it would be easier to
 move the entire thing than find out what it is really made of.

 You denied two of the three exemptions so it is only fair you get to pick
 which two you will take.  I prefer that you take the youngest, I still go
 bankrupt with Kristen's college but then I am free!  If you take the two
 oldest then I still have time for counseling before Heather becomes a
 teenager.  If you take the two girls then I won't feel so bad about
 putting Patrick in a military academy.  Please let me know of your
 decision as soon as 

Re: LI legalization and decriminalization?

1998-03-31 Thread Steve Wright

Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Kathy,

My point was not that the women involved in these gruesomw murders
deserved anything better than they got, but that such acts further
brutalize society to the point we are on the verge of killing even our
children in lethal chambers.

And there are far, far more men committing horrible crimes than there are
women committing them.  Crime among males is so common that I'm not sure
we can afford not to execute some of the worst offenders for our own
protection.

Women can also fight with men shoulder to shoulder in combat, but again I
call upon my own gender bias to say I hate to see them on the front lines
in a war.  For one thing men are much better fighters.  Most women
realloy are the gentler sex.

These are just one woman's opinion.

Vi


I still disagree, men and women do think differently and have different
approaches to problem solving but if you look, you will see that women have
the ability to be just as distinguished in battle or as violent as men. Its
just that women have been told for hundreds of years now that there place is
in the home and many feel that is right.  If you think about it women make
great technicians, great pilots, and formidable snipers (one of the best
shots in the British army is a woman, she can shoot someone in the temple
from 3 miles away) .  Not because they are any more intelligent, or
aggressive but because they approach things differently.

Steve



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LI Re:

1998-03-31 Thread William J. Foristal

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes:


Hi Jamez,

Nice to see a new face.

I see two fallacies in your argument.

One, that everything the government does makes sense.

And two, if your argument is valid then alcohol and tobacco would also be
illegal.

Bill


On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:36:51 -0500 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jamez)
writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jamez) writes:


The whole concept of legalising Marijuana here in the states 
is
absurd!  The people who are "pro-cannabis" contend that Marijuana 
causes no
physical harm to the human body, and that the drug may also serve as a
"painkiller".  This argument was obviously thought up while they were 
high!
If there is no proof of the defects Marijuana causes, then why else 
would
the governement outlaw the drug in the first place?  The government 
must
have some reason to make marijuana illegal, or else their actions 
would be
unjust to American citizens.  One of the primary functions of our
government is to provide society with protection, and outlawing 
marijuana
completes this purpose. Suppose a person abuses Marijuanahe/she 
smokes
about ten joints a day.  This abuse will inevitably have an effect on 
the
human body, causing the person to get "high". During this ultimate 
"high",
the person is much more apt to cause danger among others (as well as 
to him
or herself), but thanks to our government, people are prevented from 
doing
so.



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Re: LI Which Polls Do You Believe?

1998-03-31 Thread William J. Foristal

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On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:26:38 -0800 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


"Creative statistics" is certainly nothing new, but is unquestionably 
an

area in which Bill Clinton and his friends excel.  Take for instance 
the

President's sky-high job approval numbers.  While the media marvels
that,
 despite everything, people are generally happy with a President who
isn't  rocking the boat of prosperity, they completely fail to report
the
real  story:  U.S. News and World Report's latest poll reveals that
fully
50  percent of Americans disapprove of the President as a person, 
with a

mere  36 percent supporting him.  Even worse still, Mr. Clinton's
support
among  Democratic women has dropped a whopping 17 percent.

In an impeachment scenario the results of this are obvious:  
Americans
might think their accountant or lawyer or nanny competent, but if 
they
caught her taking bribes from family enemies or sexually assaulting
their
 children, her job would evaporate.  No wonder the President hasn't
given
 an interview since January 21st.  A lack of proof is all that keeps 
the

pink slip away.

Twisted polling numbers of this sort will ultimately have little 
effect,

because the legal process will grind on relentlessly, without any 
regard

to them. 

Ron

HI Ron,

Are creative statistics also used in the one you posted about the gun law
in Georgia? G

Bill


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Re: LI Gun Ownership As a Deterrent?

1998-03-31 Thread William J. Foristal

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Hi Kathy,

Crime went down in a lot of other areas that did not legalize guns.  I
wonder how they explain that one. :)  Let's face it.  We have the highest
number of guns per capita than most any other country in the world.  And
our crime rate (particularly the murder rate) is one of the highest in
the world.  Especially when you consider crimes committed by citizens
against fellow citizens.

IMO, anyone who argues that these two things are not related is simply
kidding themselves.  I'm not saying that total gun control or a ban on
gun ownership should be enacted.  But I DO think some common sense
controls need to be in place.  Many of them have been enacted already,
but typically due to the effects of a strong gun lobby, the legislation
is so watered down by the time it is passed that it has little or no
effect.

Until we wake up to the real problem we will continue to have incidents
like the one in Jonesboro, IMO.

Bill


On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:51:48 -0500 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Most likely they'll say it's a coincidence or a fluke. Crime went down
in Houston also when they legalized guns. Yet again people don't like
acknowledging that. 

Ronald Helm wrote:
 
 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Kennesaw, Georgia:  having passed a city ordinance requiring every
 household to own a gun, the town saw a 70% drop in violent crime 
within
 twelve months, and has not had a single rape or murder since 1984.  
In
 the words of the study, citizen gun ownership makes "crime. . .a 
risky
 business indeed!"
 
 How do the liberal gun-control advocates argue with the statistics?
 
 Ron
 
 Women have their faults. Men have only two.
 Everything they say. Everything they do.
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Re: LI Some Random Comments On The Latest Allegations Against Clinton

1998-03-31 Thread William J. Foristal

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On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:04:33 -0800 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



.  I agree with Lott.  This one is certainly
not like Anita Hill.

Bill: You really don't agree with Sen Lott, a Republican conservative, 
do
you? I think his statement that this is not an Anita Hill, means that 
there
are much more substantial allegations against Clinton, than the 
offense that
Anita Hill took at Clarence Thomas' sexual innuendo jokes.

Ron

HI Ron,

LOL...gee, is that like the criticism the right wingers are launching at
NOW and other feminists concerning their support of Anita Hill and their
lack of support for Paula Jones.

Gee, did Senator Lott back ol Clarence Thomas against Anita Hill
forhmmmpolitical reasons?  And now he's backing Jones et al
forhmm...political reasons.  As usual, Lott and others apply a very
convenient double standard here.

And to diminish Hill's accusations to taking offense at sexual innuendo
jokes is to completely mis-state the issues in her case.  

I agree with Lott.  The Clinton situation is nothing like the Anita Hill
situation.  Unless you want to include the political motives of those on
both sides.

Bill


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Re: LI Yes, Sooz, We Do Kill Kids

1998-03-31 Thread Kathy E

Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Terry IMHO this is a post done by a desperate person, as everyone knows
the DP and the laws surrounding it have all changed. It's pretty
pathetic when you have to go back over 50 years to support your
argument. If you want to seriously discuss this issue at least use the
laws and guidelines we're under now. It would be like me talking about
cruel and unusual punishment that we submit prisoners to and using the
example of the men sentenced to work on slave ships. I would be laughed
at for that type of reasoning. There isn't a comparison, just as your
assertion that the U.S. kills kids under the DP in the US and current
sentencing guidelines show that not to be true. Show me one person in
the US who was under the age of 18 that was executed after 1972. To save
you some time I'll let you know right now, you won't be able to, since
it hasn't happened. Yet you can try to find someone.

Use current information for a current debate. Comparing the 1940's and
the 1990's is ridiculous to me.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-
   June 16, 1944: George Stinney Jr. (14) is executed in
   South Carolina's electric chair. He was only 5'-1" tall
   and weighed 95 pounds. A local paper reported that
   the guards had difficulties strapping him onto the chair and
   attaching the electrodes.
   ---
 
 Since 1990 only five countries including the United States have sentenced
 those convicted of crimes when they were minors to death.  With appeals you
 are correct that 16- and 17-year-olds are likely to mature before we execute
 them.
 
 No minimum age: Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Montana, Pennsylvania, South
 Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Washington
 
 Minimum age 14: Arkansas
 
 Minimum age 15: Louisiana, Virginia
 
 Minimum age 16: Alabama, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi,
 Missouri, Nevada, Oklahoma, Wyoming
 
 Minimum age 17: Georgia, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Texas
 
 Total: 25 states allow executions for juvenile offenses
 (Source: Wisconsin Legislative Reference Bureau)
 
 [I have no explanation for the reason the 11- and 13-year-olds in Jonesboro
 cannot be tried as adults according to news reports.  There may have been
 changes in the law since the above data was compiled.]
 
 Damien Echols was 17 years old when he supposedly participated in the murder
 of three small boys.  He was convicted in West Memphis, Arkansas, in a wave
 of hysteria over satanic cults with laughable evidence.  In his case some
 prison guards were actually fired for permitting his daily sodomization by
 another prisoner on death row over a period of weeks.  His prospects for
 eventual exoneration are quite guarded under current rules for appeals.
 
 Best, Terry
 
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Re: LI Yes, Sooz, We Do Kill Kids

1998-03-31 Thread hallinan

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Kathy,

Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Terry IMHO this is a post done by a desperate person, as everyone knows
the DP and the laws surrounding it have all changed.

The laws I gave you were the most recent I found.  I will be glad for any
updates.

It's pretty pathetic when you have to go back over 50 years to support your
argument. If you want to seriously discuss this issue at least use the
laws and guidelines we're under now. It would be like me talking about
cruel and unusual punishment that we submit prisoners to and using the
example of the men sentenced to work on slave ships. I would be laughed
at for that type of reasoning. There isn't a comparison, just as your
assertion that the U.S. kills kids under the DP in the US and current
sentencing guidelines show that not to be true. Show me one person in
the US who was under the age of 18 that was executed after 1972. To save
you some time I'll let you know right now, you won't be able to, since
it hasn't happened. Yet you can try to find someone.

If a 16-year-old commits a murder and is sentenced to die in a subsequent
trial, you may find comfort in his sitting in prison for a decade or two
while he waits for his death sentence to be carried out.  My interpretation
is that we kill kids, one of only 6 countries that do.  There are currently
a number of men sitting on death row for murders committed when they were
juveniles.  

Use current information for a current debate. Comparing the 1940's and
the 1990's is ridiculous to me.

I remember the 1940's quite well.  Slave ships are before my time.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-
   June 16, 1944: George Stinney Jr. (14) is executed in
   South Carolina's electric chair. He was only 5'-1" tall
   and weighed 95 pounds. A local paper reported that
   the guards had difficulties strapping him onto the chair and
   attaching the electrodes.
  
---
 
 Since 1990 only five countries including the United States have sentenced
 those convicted of crimes when they were minors to death.  With appeals you
 are correct that 16- and 17-year-olds are likely to mature before we execute
 them.
 
 No minimum age: Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Montana, Pennsylvania, South
 Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Washington
 
 Minimum age 14: Arkansas
 
 Minimum age 15: Louisiana, Virginia
 
 Minimum age 16: Alabama, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi,
 Missouri, Nevada, Oklahoma, Wyoming
 
 Minimum age 17: Georgia, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Texas
 
 Total: 25 states allow executions for juvenile offenses
 (Source: Wisconsin Legislative Reference Bureau)
 
 [I have no explanation for the reason the 11- and 13-year-olds in Jonesboro
 cannot be tried as adults according to news reports.  There may have been
 changes in the law since the above data was compiled.]
 
 Damien Echols was 17 years old when he supposedly participated in the murder
 of three small boys.  He was convicted in West Memphis, Arkansas, in a wave
 of hysteria over satanic cults with laughable evidence.  In his case some
 prison guards were actually fired for permitting his daily sodomization by
 another prisoner on death row over a period of weeks.  His prospects for
 eventual exoneration are quite guarded under current rules for appeals.
 
 Best, Terry
 
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Re: LI Black Widow Executed

1998-03-31 Thread Leonard Booth

Leonard Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


At 12:12 PM 3/30/1998 -0500, you wrote:
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


So where's the outrage? Where was the press? Why no interviews on TV?
This lady had the same criteria as Tucker did, oh except for one thing
she wasn't as young or as pretty. Is that what a women needs to get
those against the death penalty to notice her? I'm sure some will
disagree with me strongly, but in this case the actions of the silent
speak a lot louder than the words of those after the fact.



Good question. And I don't disagree at all.  They both got what they deserved.

Len

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Re: LI Supreme Court-Polygraphs/additional info

1998-03-31 Thread Sue Hartigan

Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Terry:

I lost the actual decision when I sent the original.  :(  So I added it
on here.

Sue

 
 Hi Terry:
 
 I thought that this one would interest you.  Sue
 
 UNITED STATES v. SCHEFFER
 
 No. 96-1133 -- Argued November 3, 1997
 -- Decided March 31, 1998
 44 M.J. 442, reversed.
  http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/96-1133.cpanel.html 
 =
 
 A polygraph examination of respondent airman indicated, in the
 opinion of the Air Force examiner administering the test, that
 there was "no deception" in respondent's denial that he had used
 drugs since enlisting. Urinalysis, however, revealed the presence
 of methamphetamine, and respondent was tried by general court-
 martial for using that drug and for other offenses. In denying
 his motion to introduce the polygraph evidence to support his
 testimony that he did not knowingly use drugs, the military judge
 relied on Military Rule of Evidence 707, which makes polygraph
 evidence inadmissible in court-martial proceedings. Respondent
 was convicted on all counts, and the Air Force Court of Criminal
 Appeals affirmed. The Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces
 reversed, holding that a per se exclusion of polygraph evidence
 offered by an accused to support his credibility violates his
 Sixth Amendment right to present a defense.
 
 Held: The judgment is reversed.
 
 44 M.J. 442, reversed.

JUSTICE THOMAS delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to
Parts I, II-A, and II-D, concluding that Military Rule of
Evidence 707 does not unconstitutionally abridge the right of
accused members of the military to present a defense. Pp. 4-9,
11-14. (a) A defendant's right to present relevant evidence is
subject to reasonable restrictions to accommodate other
legitimate interests in the criminal trial process. See, e.g.,
Rock v. Arkansas, 483 U.S. 44, 55. State and federal rulemakers
therefore have broad latitude under the Constitution to establish
rules excluding evidence. Such rules do not abridge an accused's
right to present a defense so long as they are not "arbitrary" or
"disproportionate to the purposes they are designed to serve." 
E.g., id., at 56 . This Court has found the exclusion of 
evidence to be unconstitutionally arbitrary or disproportionate 
only where it has infringed upon a weighty interest of the accused. 
See, e.g., id., at 58. Rule 707 serves the legitimate interest of 
ensuring that only reliable evidence is introduced. There is simply
no consensus that polygraph evidence is reliable: The scientific
community and the state and federal courts are extremely
polarized on the matter. Pp. 4-9. (b) Rule 707 does not implicate
a sufficiently weighty interest of the accused to raise a
constitutional concern under this Court's precedents. The three
cases principally relied upon by the Court of Appeals, Rock,
supra, at 57, Washington v. Texas, 388 U.S. 14, 23, and Chambers
v. Mississippi, 410 U.S. 284, 302-303, do not support a right to
introduce polygraph evidence, even in very narrow circumstances.
The exclusions of evidence there declared unconstitutional
significantly undermined fundamental elements of the accused's
defense. Such is not the case here, where the court members heard
all the relevant details of the charged offense from respondent's
perspective, and Rule 707 did not preclude him from introducing
any factual evidence, but merely barred him from introducing
expert opinion testimony to bolster his own credibility.
Moreover, in contrast to the rule at issue in Rock, supra, at
52, Rule 707 did not prohibit respondent from testifying on his
own behalf; he freely exercised his choice to convey his version
of the facts at trial. Pp. 11-14. THOMAS, J., announced the
judgment of the Court and delivered the opinion of the Court with
respect to Parts I, II-A, and II-D, in which REHNQUIST, C.J.,
and O'CONNOR, SCALIA, KENNEDY, SOUTER, GINSBURG, and BREYER,
JJ., joined, and an opinion with respect to Parts II-B and II-
C, in which REHNQUIST, C.J., and SCALIA and SOUTER, JJ.,
joined. KENNEDY, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and
concurring in the judgment, in which O'CONNOR, GINSBURG, and
BREYER, JJ., joined. STEVENS, J., filed a dissenting opinion.


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Re: LI Re: law-issues-digest V1 #748

1998-03-31 Thread DocCec

DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


In a message dated 98-03-31 11:25:29 EST, you write:

 HI Doc,
 
 Most of those shows are scripted and the roles played out by people to
 incite the audience and suck in the big TV viewers.  It's like pro
 wrestling.
 
 Bill 

That's a relief.  I know things are weird out there, but not that weird!
Doc

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Re: LI U. S. Supreme Court -Bragdon v. Abbott

1998-03-31 Thread Ronald Helm

"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Ah, thanks.  I was wondering about things like ostomies, the need for
oxygen,
etc.  Is the line between disability and physiological impairment clear?
Doc

Clearly the distinctions are not clear and that is why the AIDS patients are
seeking restitution under the ADA, I guess the Supreme Court will have to
clarify the question:  "What is a disability?"  Ron

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Re: LI Anti-Spam Law Passed by Washington State

1998-03-31 Thread Ronald Helm

"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Ron,

Are these unsolicited e-mail you're referring to?  Or those stupid ads
that pop up and you have to click "No Thanks" to continue the sign on
process?  I get those ads all the time, but no spam e-mail at all.  I get
a few spam e-mail on juno, but not many.



I believe that the law only applies to unsolicited e-mail, certainly not ads
which pays for Juno, I guess.  Ron

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Re: LI Anti-Spam Law Passed by Washington State

1998-03-31 Thread William J. Foristal

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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:59:26 -0800 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi Ron,

Are these unsolicited e-mail you're referring to?  Or those stupid 
ads
that pop up and you have to click "No Thanks" to continue the sign on
process?  I get those ads all the time, but no spam e-mail at all.  I 
get
a few spam e-mail on juno, but not many.



I believe that the law only applies to unsolicited e-mail, certainly 
not ads
which pays for Juno, I guess.  Ron

In that case I must be lucky because I don't get any spam on my AOL
e-mail account. Of course, as soon as I say that..

Bill


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LI Re: law-issues-digest V1 #748

1998-03-31 Thread William J. Foristal

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes:



On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:20:00 EST DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


In a message dated 98-03-31 11:25:29 EST, you write:

 HI Doc,
 
 Most of those shows are scripted and the roles played out by people 
to
 incite the audience and suck in the big TV viewers.  It's like pro
 wrestling.
 
 Bill 

That's a relief.  I know things are weird out there, but not that 
weird!
Doc

HI Doc,

LOLbut it IS scary when the evolution of some things tends to take
them farther out on the weird spectrum.  It's all about ratings, which is
all about dollars.

Bill


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LI Now this is Amazing!

1998-03-31 Thread Kathy E

Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


A LAWYER WHO took heroin and cocaine every day while trying a murder
case in 1984 did not necessarily provide ineffective assistance of 
counsel, a Brooklyn federal judge has ruled.

While asserting that the use of drugs by attorney Michael Noble, who   
later was convicted on drug charges and disbarred, was "reprehensible,"
Eastern District Judge Eugene H. Nickerson said it did not automatically
establish ineffective representation.

Under U.S. Supreme Court precedent, noted Judge Nickerson in Badia 
v. Artuz, 95-CV-3212, one claiming ineffective assistance must show that
the lawyer's performance fell below an "objective standard of
reasonableness" in order to prevail.

"Petitioner's claim cannot simply rest on Mr. Noble's admissions that  
he was on drugs during the entire trial. Petitioner must show that Mr. 
Noble's handling of the trial was affected by his drug usage."

The petitioner, Edwin Badia, was convicted of murder in February 1984
and sentenced to a prison term of 20 years to life. He was represented 
throughout the trial in Brooklyn Supreme Court by Mr. Noble. 

In April 1984, Mr. Noble was convicted in Manhattan federal court for
conspiracy to distribute narcotics and obstruction of justice. He was
later disbarred.

After Mr. Noble's trial, Mr. Badia learned that the attorney had been  
addicted to drugs for seven years. In addition, Mr. Noble later declared
that he used both heroin and cocaine every day during Mr. Badia's trial.

Mr. Badia moved in state court to have his conviction vacated. That   
application was rejected and the denial was affirmed on appeal. He then
filed a writ of habeas corpus in Brooklyn federal court, alleging that
Mr. Noble's drug use during the trial prejudiced him in several
respects.

First, Mr. Badia argued that Mr. Noble should have presented the defense
of extreme emotional disturbance rather than justification. 

He further contended that Mr. Noble's closing statement placed the
burden on the defendant to prove innocence, that the lawyer had failed
to hire a private investigator, and that he did not interview defense
witnesses until the day of trial. Finally, Mr. Noble failed to inform  
his client of a plea offer of manslaughter with a proposed sentence of
12 -1/2-to-20 years.

Judge Nickerson rejected all but one of Mr. Badia's claims.

Mr. Noble's choice of the justification defense, "while unsuccessful,  
was not unreasonable," Judge Nickerson said. "It is not the role of this
court to second-guess the trial strategy developed by Mr. Noble for his
client."

  'Sloppy' Lawyering

Mr. Noble's "misstatement of the law" in the closing statement was 
corrected by the trial judge's instruction to the jury, "which properly
placed the burden of proof on the government," the judge added.

As for the lawyer's failure to hire an investigator or to interview
witnesses before trial, Judge Nickerson characterized that conduct as 
"sloppy," but "not unreasonable."

But Judge Nickerson did find an unresolved issue regarding the plea
offer, noting that testimony given by Mr. Badia and Mr. Noble on that  
question at a 1987 state hearing was contradictory.

Concluding, therefore, that he could not decide whether Mr. Badia  
actually knew of the offer based on the motion papers, Judge Nickerson 
ordered a hearing to supplement the record.

Mr. Badia, who is incarcerated in the Fishkill Correctional Facility,  
represented himself. Assistant Kings County District Attorney Ann
Bordley represented the government.
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