Re: LI Supreme Court-Polygraphs/additional info
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I heard some of the people who live there say that children and guns go together in that part of the country, and that it is not in the least bit unusual to see 4-5-6 year olds out "hunting" with their parents. I would think if this is the case that the children are so accustomed to having guns around them that this in itself would not be the big factor in why this happened. There are children coming forward saying that the older boy was a bully, and he had threatened to kill kids before this happened. In fact one of the kids said that the boy told him he was going to shoot some of the kids. Sounds like a lot of pent up anger and hostility to me. Sue Hi Bill The tornado at St Peter edged out any news on the 13 year old in our wonderful paper. But, yesterday Tom (the one that was the police chief in Grand Meadow) and I talked to the county sheriff and it sounds like the child has not had an easy time. But, it still shouldn't have caused him to kill others. I do know that guns were left lying around the house when he lived up here and the mother was not worried as she said the kids knew about guns and what they go do. She also said that they wouldn't touch the guns. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI No One Cares About Clinton's Private Life
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The same 70% who approve of Clinton's job performance, think that his private life is no one else's business. It would help if said politician would (allegedly) keep his private life zipped up in the workplace. Even if one wholly ignored the Jones account from-the-hotel-door-portal-on-in, what is a governor doing summoning a low-level female employee to a hotel room? That part doesn't seem to be in dispute. And (allegedly) using public employees in Arkansas and D.C., as Cupid's-little-helpers? And when someone sued over that (alleged) public behavior, (allegedly) perjured and suborned perjury. None of that is "private life". That line-having-apparently-been-crossed-by-said-official, it is fair for some constituents to notice that "his/her" private pursuits seem to telegraph "his/her" public relations with constituents. Character matters, and is relevant to political discourse -- perhaps more so than any other factor, given that, lacking character, no other part of policy/evidence/debate is trustworthy. If a politician doesn't want his/her private life picked-over, either keep it out of the public realm, or keep it circumspect. P.S. No Bill, neither obsessed or jealous of Slick Women have their faults. Men have only two. Everything they say. Everything they do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Yes, Sooz, We Do Kill Kids
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy, I dug up a little more information on America killing those who commit crimes before their 18th birthday and included the mentally feeble who are not adult in their ability to think. The kids, like all those awaiting the death penalty in the U.S., have to wait a lengthy period before the sentence is actually carried out. If you put puppies in cages until they became dogs and then kicked them to death, it is wrong to say you are kicking puppies to death I suppose. With it understood that "killing kids" means killing those who commit crimes under 18 I offer the following: From http://www.ncadp.org/facts.html [This is an outfit lobbying against the death penalty] --- The U.S. leads the world in killing kids Since 1990, only 6 countries have executed people for crimes they committed as children: Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran... and the United States. The U.S. has executed more children than any of the other countries. Every major international human rights treaty expressly prohibits executing people for crimes committed before the age of 18. 160 children have been sentenced to death in the U.S. since 1973. Government electrocution, gassing and lethal injecting of kids doubled in the last decade. There's no limit to how low we can go The US Supreme Court has ruled that the execution of children as young as 16 is not "cruel and unusual" punishment. It has yet to make a definitive statement about children under 16. Of the 38 states with the death penalty: 13 have set the minimum age for death at 18; 4 states set the minimum at 17; 9 set it at 16; 12 have no minimum age. In 1996, Mississippi prosecutors sought the death penalty for juveniles as young as 13 years of age. Most often the US kills children of color 2 out of 3 children sent to death row are people of color. Historically, 2 out of 3 people executed for crimes they committed as children have been African American. During this century, the ratio has jumped to 3 out of 4. Of the nine girls executed in US history, 8 were Black and 1 was American Indian. The youngest person executed since WWII in the US was George Stinney, a 14 year-old black boy who was so small his mask fell off while he was being electrocuted by the state of South Carolina. The Federal Government has imposed the death penalty against American Indian children for crimes they committed as young as 10-years-old. Mental Competency and the Death Penalty Over the past thirty years the number of mentally incompetent people being executed has increased steadily. A person who suffers from mental retardation typically has a below average intellect and lacks the kind of adaptive behavior which normally develops during childhood. Currently, there are more than 300 people on death row know to have mental retardation. Some estimates say that 10% of the death row population may be afflicted with mental retardation. Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, thirty-one people with metal retardation have been executed in twelve different states.. Of the 31 mentally retarded people executed since 1976, 19 of them have been within the past five years. Executing the mentally incompetent does not serve justice. In 1989, the Supreme Court admitted that "mental retardation is a factor that may wel lessen a defendant's culpability for a capital offense." That same year, the American Bar Association adopted a resolution in which they stated that no one with mental retardation should be sentenced to to death or executed because to do so would violate contemporary standards of decency. Defendents with mental incompetency are unable to appreciate the consequences of their actions. Generally, people suffering from mental retardation are eager to please others. This means that they will often answer yes to questions even when they don't fully understand what they are being asked. Jerome Bowden did sign a statement confessing to murder, but only because the police told him it would be to his benfit. It was on the sole basis of this confession, would Jerome could not even read, that he was convicted and executed by the state of Georgia. Virginia executed Morris Odell Mason, who had been diagnosed as mentally retarded, in 1985. On his way to the execution chamber, he told another inmate, "When I get back, I'm gonna show him how I can play basketball as good as he can." Mason was 32 at the time of his death and clearly did not understand his impending fate. -- from "Time:" "The U.S. is one of the few countries in the world that executes juvenile offenders: criminals whose alleged offenses were committed when they were under the age of 18. There are only six countries in the world that are known to have executed juvenile offenders in the '90s: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Nigeria,
LI Friday's Jokes
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Squawks" are problem listings that military pilots generally leave for maintenance crews, and are normally accompanied by a response from the maintenance worker. From the "Squawk Sheets": Problem: "Left inside main tire almost needs replacement." Solution: "Almost replaced left inside main tire." Problem: "Test flight OK, except autoland very rough." Solution: "Autoland not installed on this aircraft." Problem #1: "#2 Propeller seeping prop fluid." Solution #2: "#2 Propeller seepage normal." Problem #2: "#1,#3 and #4 propellers lack normal seepage." Problem: "The autopilot doesn't." Solution: "IT DOES NOW" Problem: "Something loose in cockpit." Solution: "Something tightened in cockpit" Problem: "Evidence of hydraulic leak on right main landing gear." Solution: "Evidence removed." Problem: "Number three engine missing" Solution: "Engine found on right wing after brief search." Problem: "DME volume unbelievably loud" Solution: "Volume set to more believable level." Problem: "Dead bugs on windshield." Solution: "Live bugs on order." Problem: "Autopilot in altitude hold mode produces a 200 fpm descent." Solution: "Cannot reproduce problem on ground." Problem: "IFF inoperative." Solution: "IFF inoperative in OFF mode." Problem: "Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick." Solution: "That's what they're there for." - Three girl friends were flying together on a vacation. A jewish girl, an italian girl, and an afro american. The plane encountered mechanical difficulties and had to crash land in a very dense swamp area. As fate would have it , they wound up together laying in a heap but otherwise unhurt. After getting over the initial shock of the event they tried to figure out what to do to facilitate their rescue. The three friends thought for a while, then the jewish lady rolled up the sleeves of her dress , revealing an extensive collection of gold bracelets . When they see these shining in the sun, i'll be spotted and rescued first. Oh yea said the italian girl as she took of her blouse and bra, revealing a pair of 40 DD hooters when the rescue team see's these, i'll get all the attention. A dramatic pause ensued, then the afro american proceeded to remove her skirt and panties. What did you do that for the other two askked? Don't you all know she said, when theres a crash like this the first thing they look for is the "Black Box" - Sherry or Port ... A wealthy playboy met a beautiful young girl in an exclusive lounge. He took her to his lavish apartment where he soon discovered she was not a tramp, but was well groomed and apparently very intelligent. Hoping to get her into bed; he began showing her his collection of expensive paintings, first editions by famous authors and offered her a glass of wine. He asked whether she preferred Port or Sherry and she said, "Oh, Sherry by all means. To me it's the nectar of the gods. Just looking at it in a crystal-clear decanter fills me with a glorious sense of anticipation. When the stopper is removed and the gorgeous liquid is poured into my glass, I inhale the enchanting aroma and I'm lifted on the wings of ecstasy. It seems as though I'm about to drink a magic potion and my whole being begins to glow. The sound of a thousand violins being softly played fills my ears and I'm transported into another world. On the other hand, Port makes me fart." -- Airplanes That Run On Operating Systems, Not Jet Fuel Here's some descriptions of airplanes run by various operating systems: DOS: Everybody pushes it till it glides, then jumps on and lets it coast till it skids, then jumps off, pushes, jumps back on, etc. DOS with QEMM: Same as DOS, but with more leg room for pushing. Macintosh: All the flight attendants, captains and baggage handlers look the same, act the same and talk the same. Every time you ask a question, you are told you don't need to know, don't want to know and everything will be done for you without your knowing, so just shut up. OS/2: To get on board, you have to have your ticket stamped 10 different times by standing in 10 different lines. Then you fill out a form asking how you want your seating arranged--with the look and feel of an ocean liner, a passenger train or a bus. If you get on board and off the ground, you will have a wonderful trip, except when the rudder and flaps freeze, in which case you have time to say your prayers before you crash. Windows: Colorful airport terminal, friendly flight attendants, easy access to a plane, uneventful takeoff. Then: BOOM! You blow up without any warning whatsoever. NT: The terminal and flight attendants all look like those the Windows plane uses, but the process of checking in and going through security is a nightmare. Once aboard, those passengers with first class tickets can go anywhere they want and arrive in half the time, while the vast majority of passengers with
LI Mark Fuhrman
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Justice Department has reportedly decided not to prosecute former Los Angeles police detective Mark Fuhrman on charges he assaulted and mistreated minority suspects in his custody. The Los Angeles Times quotes sources at the Justice Department as saying the decision is based on a statute of limitations -- a five-year time limit that has long since expired. The allegations stemmed from 14 taped interviews in which Fuhrman told an aspiring screenwriter that there was systematic misconduct in the police department and described some of his alleged misconduct. The testimony was a key part of the sensational O.J. Simpson murder trial, where Fuhrman lied on the stand about using a racial epithet to refer to black people. The newspaper says the Justice Department will make public its ruling on Mark Fuhrman, possibly today. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Grossberg: Update
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Prosecutors have decided not to pursue the death penalty against a New Jersey teen accused of killing her newborn son. The reduction in charges against 19-year-old Amy Grossberg comes after her high school sweetheart, Brian Peterson, pleaded guilty to manslaughter in a deal with prosecutors. Peterson told prosecutors Grossberg told him to ``get rid of'' the baby immediately after she gave birth in a Delaware hotel room in 1996. Peterson, who is also 19, says he thought the child was stillborn and put it in a garbage bin behind the hotel. He faces up to 10 years in prison. Grossberg faces a second-degree murder charge, which could land her 10 to 20 years in prison if she is convicted. Lawyers for Grossberg and Peterson have argued the pair of University of Delaware students from Wyckoff, N.J., believed the child was stillborn when they disposed of the body. Grossberg's trial is slated for May 4. For a second-degree murder conviction in Delaware, prosecutors must prove a defendant ``recklessly caused the death of another person under circumstances which manifest a cruel, wicked and depraved indifference to human life.'' -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: As far as I know there is no legit reason for assault weapons. Certainly not for hunting. In LA the sergeants (cops) had to get special permission to carry M-16 A2 Service rifles because they were outgunned by the bad guys. There is also a special unit of the SWAT team that has these, but can only use them with permission from higher ups. Of course a lot of the bad guys already have them, and no permission is needed for them to use them. TIC Sue Hi Sue I couldn't think of any legitimate reason for them to be made either--except war I guess. I do know that obtaining a gun legitimately here is not an easy task to do. They do have the time to run a thorough background check, which unfortunately may not be feasible in a large city. Gosh, when we moved here, we had to have the background check redone in order to have the target pistols. BTW--finished the book and will try and get it off next week. Did you want it sent to you or someone else?? I truly enjoyed the book. Thanks a million., jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue I guess the parents and grandparents have decided the best thing to do under the circumstances is be truthful about the incident. Did you read Newsweek--Tom said he was mentioned in there. He was awfully embarrassed after everything mushroomed like it did. Of course, there are two versions to the sexual story. I know the records are supposed to be sealed but I would imagine there are provisions that allow them to be opened. I know if you commit a felony in our state at a very young age, it can be reduced to a misdemeanor and sealed, but if you get in trouble again it is opened and is used as a felony in sentencing you (or something like that). jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: They were talking last night about how these kids would only spend x number of years in custody, and then they would be released as well as their records sealed. Their faces have been on Newsweek, Time, etc. There is absolutely no secret of who they are. The prior record of the one boy has been discussed in detail on many of the news shows, and the parents and grandparents are making the rounds of the morning talk shows. I don't know how any of this was made public in the beginning, but everyone from the grandfather on down are now discussing it quite openly with anyone who will listen. Sue Hi Bill What a novel idea, work to get the law changed VBG. I agree with you, but then working to change a law may not be as much fun as sitting and bad mouthing a judge that doesn't do what you consider to be right. Another topic: Had to share this with you. Didn't get a chance to post it early this morning. It appears that we have a local controversy regarding whether the making public of preadjudication records of a juvenile are against the law. The judge was on this morning discussing this because of the release of juvenile records to the local tv station that they traced to Mitchell, the 13 year old in Arkansas. I was sort of waiting for this to happen as this has been discussed among some of us since the story broke on tv. Don't know if any other area has heard about this. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Supreme Court-Polygraphs/additional info
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue It is true about growing up with guns in this neck of the woods. Hunting is almost a given if you ask someone their hobbies. It is not unusual to go into someone's house and the first thing you see are the hunting and fishing trophies (mounted of course). I think that is why it is so shocking to many in this area when they read of guns being used to kill others. Not that it doesn't happen, of course. We have a murder right now that is going to trial where two young men went over and shot another young man. I guess the only difference is that the feeling is "lock'em up and throw away the key." The stories here are about the same--some say he was an angel; others he was a little devil. One reason may be that the father lived in Grand Meadow and the grandparents in Spring Valley, I believe. Maybe Mitchell behaved differently in each community. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I heard some of the people who live there say that children and guns go together in that part of the country, and that it is not in the least bit unusual to see 4-5-6 year olds out "hunting" with their parents. I would think if this is the case that the children are so accustomed to having guns around them that this in itself would not be the big factor in why this happened. There are children coming forward saying that the older boy was a bully, and he had threatened to kill kids before this happened. In fact one of the kids said that the boy told him he was going to shoot some of the kids. Sounds like a lot of pent up anger and hostility to me. Sue Hi Bill The tornado at St Peter edged out any news on the 13 year old in our wonderful paper. But, yesterday Tom (the one that was the police chief in Grand Meadow) and I talked to the county sheriff and it sounds like the child has not had an easy time. But, it still shouldn't have caused him to kill others. I do know that guns were left lying around the house when he lived up here and the mother was not worried as she said the kids knew about guns and what they go do. She also said that they wouldn't touch the guns. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
The killing season was Re: LI Jones case thrown out
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue I think his explanations fell right in line with what a number of researchers are finding. Everyone wants approval and support--if they can't find it elsewhere, gangs fill the bill nicely. It has everything going--rituals, special names, feelings of belonging, solidarity, etc. etc. What more could a young, driftless person want? Also, the economic and power factors seemed to be two of the underlying threads in the book which I thought really good about the book. You could really pick it up when you read what the suspects, witnesses and alive victims said. I am thinking of recommeding it to LE students. Some of them are so starry-eyed about becoming police officers--maybe reading of the paperwork, etc. will bring them down to earth : ) jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: What did you think of some of the explainations for gang activity and the spread of it? It made a lot of sense to me. Glad you liked it. :) Sue Hi Sue Guess she will have to do the talk show circuit. (I know, be nice). Off topic: I am just about done with the book. It is great. I really like the writer's style. He brings a lot of other material in that really gives you a picture of what the LE is facing. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh Kathy Didn't court-tv advertise this trial?? Thought I saw something last night. jackief Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Justice Department has reportedly decided not to prosecute former Los Angeles police detective Mark Fuhrman on charges he assaulted and mistreated minority suspects in his custody. The Los Angeles Times quotes sources at the Justice Department as saying the decision is based on a statute of limitations -- a five-year time limit that has long since expired. The allegations stemmed from 14 taped interviews in which Fuhrman told an aspiring screenwriter that there was systematic misconduct in the police department and described some of his alleged misconduct. The testimony was a key part of the sensational O.J. Simpson murder trial, where Fuhrman lied on the stand about using a racial epithet to refer to black people. The newspaper says the Justice Department will make public its ruling on Mark Fuhrman, possibly today. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Perspectives on the Jones case, (other than Bill's)
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Women have their faults. Men have only two. Everything they say. Everything they do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Los Angeles Times] Friday, April 3, 1998 PERSPECTIVES ON THE PAULA JONES CASE For Clinton, facing accusations in an Arkansas courtroom is better than before a grand jury or Congress. [T] here are times when the only thing worse than losing is winning. Such may be the case with Paula Corbin Jones vs. William Jefferson Clinton. The news of the dismissal of the Jones case was met with a feeling of divine deliverance among White House staffers who never thought a trial could be avoided. Upon sober reflection, however, there may be reason to question the good fortune wrought by the summary judgment of Judge Susan Webber Wright. The greatest costs of the Jones case were never the trial but in the discovery period leading to the trial. With its various related appeals, the Jones case served as starter fuel for what is now a raging blaze before the grand jury and Congress. When it was first filed, the case was the central threat to the White House, and White House lawyers fought to delay the trial at all costs. In the past few weeks, however, the White House suddenly switched positions and fought to schedule the trial at the soonest possible date. In changing its strategy, the White House correctly concluded that the Jones case was fairly anemic and unlikely to persuade a jury. More important, a Jones trial offered a convenient avenue to respond to allegations without appearing before either the grand jury or a congressional committee. Under this strategy, the Jones case could be used as a type of suppression fire. When faced with large blazes, firefighters will often use a smaller fire in the path of the larger fire to exhaust the fuel needed to sustain the blaze. The larger fire then dies out on its own accord. While administration officials did not start the Jones fire, they certainly realized its value in a suppression strategy. Unwilling to testify before the grand jury or Congress, the president could have testified in the Jones case and eliminated the political support for calling him for successive testimony in the other forums. The Arkansas courtroom offered the best of the three forums for the president. Unlike the grand jury or the congressional committee, Clinton would be protected by the limitations of rules of evidence; represented by an aggressive defense counsel; supervised by a fairly sympathetic judge; and opposed by a less than popular plaintiff. Once he testified, the president could adopt a Rose Garden strategy and refer any questions to the transcript in the case. Ironically, the White House's greatest advocates in such a scenario could be found in the House Republican leadership. The Republican leaders would dearly love this impeachment cup to pass from their lips. An impeachment hearing would cost the Republicans an almost certain public backlash. Even a successful impeachment would only engineer an early Gore administration. Had the president testified in the protective environs of Wright's courtroom, the demands for the president's testimony before the grand jury or Congress would have fallen on deaf ears. Without Jones, the White House now will have to recalibrate its strategy to directly confront the dangers looming in the grand jury room and the congressional committee. Neither option is an enticing prospect for the president. His lawyers are likely to advise against his testimony before the grand jury. As a grand jury witness, the president would be left in the loving hands of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr without the protection of the rules of evidence or the assistance of counsel. But if the president does not testify before the grand jury, there would be increased pressure for Congress to hold hearings and call him to answer these allegations. Starr is likely to issue a report detailing alleged crimes by the president and his aides. Without the president's prior testimony in some forum, the allegations involving Clinton in the Starr report would be largely uncontradicted. It would be near impossible to avoid hearings in such a circumstance. This is why a loss can sometimes be more valuable than a victory in litigation. In truth, Jones may have been the best friend the president could have had in these circumstances. As is often the case, people rarely miss you until you're gone.
LI Microsoft V Sun (Java) , Intel Vs Digital (Alpha patents)
"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone has any info regarding these or any other high profile cases of this type could they please mail them to me I'd be most grateful. Also big thank you to Lady K for her excellent URLs, there's so much there Im not even sure what to use yet lol. I'll be on ICQ on off all day so might see some of you online, if not have a wonderful weekend. Steve ;-) (Poppet) === As big bird spreads the word, anybody with a heart votes love. - Fluke. === PERSONAL EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Wag The Dog
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As predicted by many on this list, NO " weapons of mass destruction" biological or chemical were found. How much is it costing us to keep maintain the military deterrent in the Middle East? Boy, that was some threat from Iraq. Ron Reuters BAGHDAD (April 4) - U.N. weapons experts left Baghdad Saturday after a week during which they inspected Iraq's sensitive presidential sites and were given the access they needed, a U.N. official said. Charles Duelfer, a senior U.N. inspector, said they went to Habbaniya airport northwest of Baghdad to fly to Bahrain, rear base for the U.N. Special Commission (UNSCOM) charged with dismantling Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Fifty inspectors left UNSCOM's headquarters in Baghdad in a convey of cars heading to the airport. The inspectors had been barred from entering the eight presidential sites where they believed Iraq might have concealed material related to banned weapons programs. The crisis over access was defused when U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan struck a deal in February with Iraqi leaders, averting U.S.-led military strikes against Iraq. Duelfer, UNSCOM's deputy chairman, said a group of 20 diplomats who accompanied the inspectors to the presidential sites would leave Iraq in the afternoon. He said he and UNSCOM's missile expert, Roger Hill, would meet Iraqi Oil Minister Amir Muhammad Rasheed, Iraq's main contact with UNSCOM, before leaving with the diplomats. Duelfer said the ''baseline'' inspections of the eight presidential compounds ''will help us focus on our future work both in terms of inspections and the continuing monitoring activities. ''We were able to conduct all activities we wanted. The Iraqis provided the access which we required,'' Duelfer told reporters. He said the inspections have established ''the presence of access to all areas of Iraq and that's something which did not exist before.'' Asked what the next step would be, Duelfer said: ''We have not quite decided that. It depends on what information we have and what determination we make with regards to monitoring.'' Duelfer said UNSCOM had not yet ''fully accounted for the biological program, the chemical program and in fact even the missile program.'' UNSCOM must account for and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the United Nations can lift sanctions imposed for Baghdad's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz Friday lauded the palace inspections as a ''triumph for the truth over falsehood'' and called on the U.N. Security Council to lift the sanctions. ''The group's visit has verified Iraq's credibility and exposed the allegations of America and Britain and their elements in the U.N. Special Commission,'' Aziz said. The government newspaper al-Jumhouriya lashed out at the U.S. officials and UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, calling them liars. ''The leaders of America have beaten the drums of lying,'' Jumhouriya said in a front-page editorial. ''Butler has not only gone beyond his powers but he insists on telling lies.'' Women have their faults. Men have only two. Everything they say. Everything they do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Hi Jackie...Bill, Hi Bill...Jackie
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Ron, people out of common courtesy always say Hi to the person they are replying to, yet we all know it's not just to that person but to everyone or anyone that cares to reply :) Ronald Helm wrote: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone else noticed that every post form one or the other is directed to the other? Don't the rest of our opinions count for either of you? This is not a dialogue, or a mutual admiration society :-) Ron -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm Simpson sounds a bit familiar but that must be because of one of the books I'm reading I'm SURE if I saw a REAL court trial I would remember it :) Hence I don't remember a factual realistic legal trial in this case at all :) So I doubt it happened :) Fuhrman I considered a waste of time, first they had to prove he was telling the truth on those tapes, sounded to me like he was just bragging but that's just IMHO. The investigations I have seen into him and his career did not support his stories he told on tape, matterfact they did just the opposite. It's time for people to stop wasting money investigating a case when there in reality isn't a case at all. Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh Kathy Didn't court-tv advertise this trial?? Thought I saw something last night. jackief Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Justice Department has reportedly decided not to prosecute former Los Angeles police detective Mark Fuhrman on charges he assaulted and mistreated minority suspects in his custody. The Los Angeles Times quotes sources at the Justice Department as saying the decision is based on a statute of limitations -- a five-year time limit that has long since expired. The allegations stemmed from 14 taped interviews in which Fuhrman told an aspiring screenwriter that there was systematic misconduct in the police department and described some of his alleged misconduct. The testimony was a key part of the sensational O.J. Simpson murder trial, where Fuhrman lied on the stand about using a racial epithet to refer to black people. The newspaper says the Justice Department will make public its ruling on Mark Fuhrman, possibly today. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Incest survivors seek protection
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy, This is one of the best kept secrets of child abuse. Child Abuse, Inc., would rather not talk about the abuse they cause children to be subjected to. Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All I can say is it's about damn time! Incest survivors have urged California legislators to pass legal protections for children who are placed in their abusers' custody. The Incest Survivors Speakers Bureau of Yolo County held a statehouse news conference on the problem today and promoted legislation addressing it. Shari Karney, a victim's rights attorney whose own incest story was portrayed in an NBC TV movie, ``Shattered Trust,'' said she's been unable to save a single child from sexual abuse -- despite hundreds of calls from distraught mothers. Says Karney: ``The judge in case after case has sent the child back into the hands of the abuser.'' Mothers told of courts awarding children to abusive fathers and other relatives despite evidence that they had sexually assaulted them. Shira Dee of Los Banos told UPI that authorities confirmed abuse against her 4- and 3-year-old daughters in 1993, but she lost them to her ex-husband a few years later after she refused to allow unsupervised visits -- despite a hospital's finding that they'd been raped. A bill introduced by Assemblyman Tom Torlakson, D-Antioch, would require perpetrators in court cases to prove a youngster would be safe in his care -- if there's evidence of child sexual abuse against him. Child advocates also are backing a proposal to have judges undergo training on the incest issue. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI FARISLAW - GUIDED LAW TOUR (http://www.farislaw.com/tour/t2b.htm)
Thought you might all find this interesting. Steve http://www.farislaw.com/tour/t2b.htm FARISLAW - GUIDED LAW TOUR.url
LI Re: Steve/Law site
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve Thanks for the site. I found it quite interesting. Really has a smorgasbord. jackief -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Yahoo! News Technology Wired Story Page (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/t
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve: Pacbell was down a whole week because they were spammed. :( And that was the second time it happened in about three months. Pacbell isn't a fly by night company. It is the phone company for most of California, and I think part of the rest of the west coast. Sue Campaign sends tsunami at growing spam problem By James Glave SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - Computer servers across the Internet are about to creak, groan, and, in many cases, crash and burn under what may be the most colossal flood of garish advertisements ever, say anti-spam activists. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Jackie whats a smorgasbord? Steve W -Original Message- From: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 6:21 PM Subject: LI Re: Steve/Law site Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve Thanks for the site. I found it quite interesting. Really has a smorgasbord. jackief -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Noe: Update
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy, Child Abuse, Inc., seems to be whipping up another wave of hysteria since the last one about the imaginary wholesale sexual abuse of children in nursery schools ebbed. The parents of children who die of SIDS are particularly vulnerable. SIDS like other diseases, notably multiple sclerosis, is a disease of exclusion. The cause has never been found though there are numerous theories. That homicides have been attributed to SIDS should go without saying but the new wave of claims is going far beyond that, calling into question even the existence of SIDS. Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue :) You did a message recently on this case here's the latest I saw: A lawyer says police used fear and force to make his client, 69-year-old Marie Noe, sign a confession that reportedly says she used a pillow to smother at least five of her 10 children -- all of whom died as infants. Prosecutors would not comment on the confession reported in the Philadelphia Daily News but confirmed they are investigating the tragic string of baby deaths that took place over 30 years ago. Lawyer David Rudenstein says Marie and Arthur Noe were brought in for questioning on March 25 by police following the publication of an article in Philadelphia magazine that suggested foul play was involved in the deaths. The article concluded the case would only solved by a confession. Rudenstein says Marie, who has only a fifth-grade education, was held against her will, even though she complained of headaches and has a history of migraines and blackouts. He says: ``She was told she was not allowed to leave until she had signed some papers. She would have signed a peace of paper saying she was the killer of Dr. King if that's what it took to leave.'' Each of the Noes' 10 children died between 1949 and 1968. One died shortly after birth, another was stillborn, and the rest died at home before they reached 15 months. Life Magazine did an article in 1962 that portrayed the Noe children as victims of crib death, known also as Sudden Infant Death Syndrome or SIDS. However, a number of officials connected with the Noe case tell Philadelphia magazine they suspected foul play in the deaths. Rudenstein says that every expert has an opinion, but there has never been any solid evidence against Maria Noe. He also cast doubt on the reports of her confession, saying, ``I don't know about other cities, but in Philadelphia they don't let people go after they confess to five murders.'' -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: This is a waste of time, money and energy, IMO. Why not just leave the guy alone. The LAPD investigated him completely and could not find anything that would in the least bit go against him. Sue The Justice Department has reportedly decided not to prosecute former Los Angeles police detective Mark Fuhrman on charges he assaulted and mistreated minority suspects in his custody. The Los Angeles Times quotes sources at the Justice Department as saying the decision is based on a statute of limitations -- a five-year time limit that has long since expired. The allegations stemmed from 14 taped interviews in which Fuhrman told an aspiring screenwriter that there was systematic misconduct in the police department and described some of his alleged misconduct. The testimony was a key part of the sensational O.J. Simpson murder trial, where Fuhrman lied on the stand about using a racial epithet to refer to black people. The newspaper says the Justice Department will make public its ruling on Mark Fuhrman, possibly today. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Juvenile Records (was biased)
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-04-04 06:09:57 EST, you write: The station did one of those random (?) surveys of people in the mall (very scientific, right) and asked if they thought the records should have been released. Some of the remarks by the respondents were like this one: "if a juvenile commits an horrendous act and is picked up, then his/her past record should be released so that the individual doesn't commit anymore crimes." Or this one: "if the individual has done a terrible crime, the past record should be publicised so he/she is too embarrassed to do it again." I think I know what they meant, but I felt it was a little late to embarrass Mitchell or to prevent him from committing another horrendous act simply by releasing this preadjudication record. If you know what they meant, you know more than I do. How is embarrassment over a past action going to keep me from doing the same act again? It may well keep me from doing the act in such a way as to get caught, but that's not really the same thing. I think some of these folks put mouth in gear and leave brain in neutral. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Biased Judge Forgives Clinton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Another topic: Had to share this with you. Didn't get a chance to post it early this morning. It appears that we have a local controversy regarding whether the making public of preadjudication records of a juvenile are against the law. The judge was on this morning discussing this because of the release of juvenile records to the local tv station that they traced to Mitchell, the 13 year old in Arkansas. I was sort of waiting for this to happen as this has been discussed among some of us since the story broke on tv. Don't know if any other area has heard about this. jackief I read about the problems this kid had back in Minnesota and that he was scheduled for a hearing concerning an alleged sex crime. I also heard that his father had some problems with the law, as well as his step father. But I haven't heard anything about the flap over releasing the records. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: The Odd Couple (Not Jackie and Bill)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Wow, I bet that's a great story! You danced for your students? How did that come about. Got any pictures? Mathau and Lemon are a classic team. I thought Tony Randall and Jack Klugman did a nice job with the TV version of The Odd Couple, but they couldn't touch Mathau and Lemon, IMO. Bill On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:45:27 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill LOL...it must be because I still think I am playing baseball instead of basketball. You are really keeping me in great athletic shape, you know. G. Or maybe it is those early hours catching up with me (teehee). I'll have to try and catch that movie, sounds good. I want to see the Odd Couple II one. Those two really make my day usually. Of course, we call Freud "Grouchy ole' man" or "Walter Matheau" sometimes. I caught an interview of them this morning and, whether an act or not, they act so much like their characters that I went to work in a great mood--even danced for the students in their lounge. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Bill: The law here is that if you own a gun and a kid gets a hold of that gun and either hurts himself or someone else with it, you are held liable. But if your gun is stolen, I don't think that they hold you liable for any crimes that are committed with it. I don't see how they could unless may it would be because you may have had that gun illegally, such as not registered or something. Or maybe not reported it stolen. Sue HI Sue, I think there should be a general crime of "irresponsible gun ownership" that would cover a variety of cases when someone's gun is either used for a crime or involved in an accidental shooting. The severity of the crime should be commensurate with the event involving the gun. And, IMO, getting one's gun stolen is an example of irresponsible ownership. After all, if the purpose of a gun is to protect oneself from being robbed, then it seems ludicrous to get robbed of that gun. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Kathy, I just realized that if you substitute Lewinsky for Fuhrman in your note that the element of truth is not lost a bit. I agree with you. Bill On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:47:28 -0500 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fuhrman I considered a waste of time, first they had to prove he was telling the truth on those tapes, sounded to me like he was just bragging but that's just IMHO. The investigations I have seen into him and his career did not support his stories he told on tape, matterfact they did just the opposite. It's time for people to stop wasting money investigating a case when there in reality isn't a case at all. _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Annual Internet cleaning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Jackie, What a coincidence. I had Sisters of St. Joseph when I was in grade school. In high school it was the Brothers of Mary. I almost went to a Jesuit school but didn't make the final cut. Perhaps I was lucky, although my nephew went to one and seems to have survived. You're right about the quality of the education. Bill On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:27:42 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Yes, Catholic school will do that for some people, won't it. I cannot figure out how the Jesuits made it through history. I had the nuns of St. Joseph for both grade and high school and they were bearcats. But, I still think fondly of some of them and don't regret most of my education from them jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, The biggest problem with the gun ownership is the large number of people who are irresponsible and shouldn't even own an air rifle. If the laws were strengthened to punish irresponsible gun owners and if these people went to jail for actions leading to death or injury via one of their guns, then perhaps we'd see some decrease in the deaths and injuries attributed to guns. But even this would cause problems because we've all see the person who had been very responsible and safety conscious make that one fatal mistake. A friend of mine was quite lucky. He had bagged a huge buck and was so excited that he dragged it to his truck, put his rifle in the case and threw it in the back of the truck along side the deer. On the way home he hit a bump and the rifle (which he failed to unload) went off. The bullet hit something and split into several pieces. He caught a few pieces in the butt. It could have been a lot worse. Bill On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:35:04 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I know that there are good arguments on both sides of the camp on this issue. I grew up with guns in the house all my life and my girls were taught gun safety and the whole works. I shoot although not the greatest and Ed is a target shooter. Of course, we do not have children in the house and our dobes are a pretty good protection system against them getting stolen. We have a number of LE friends who Ed shoots with and I enjoy the outings. So it would be difficult for me, personally, to support the banning of guns even though I see they do have some valid points and see how often guns are so readily available for those who shouldn't have guns. The assault weapons are something else entirely though--this IMO should not even be manufactured. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Annual Internet cleaning
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-04-04 18:24:18 EST, you write: I almost went to a Jesuit school but didn't make the final cut. Perhaps I was lucky, although my nephew went to one and seems to have survived. I went to Marquette, a Jesuit University, as an undergraduate, and survivied just fine. Got a lot of very good training in logic, philosophy, etc. Love them Jebbies! Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Yahoo! News Technology Wired Story Page (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/t
"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue, Demon internet got spammed last week it was me giving them a bollocking lol Steve -Original Message- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 8:31 PM Subject: Re: LI Yahoo! News Technology Wired Story Page (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/t Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve: Pacbell was down a whole week because they were spammed. :( And that was the second time it happened in about three months. Pacbell isn't a fly by night company. It is the phone company for most of California, and I think part of the rest of the west coast. Sue Campaign sends tsunami at growing spam problem By James Glave SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - Computer servers across the Internet are about to creak, groan, and, in many cases, crash and burn under what may be the most colossal flood of garish advertisements ever, say anti-spam activists. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I see no one else answering your question, albeit to Jackie about "what is a smorgasbord, I will give it a try. Its initial meaning was that of Scandinavian origin, meaning a feast, a buffet, where the eaters have a large array of food items from which to select (including lutefisk :-( ) This meaning has now been extended to include anything with many choices, for example a smorgasbord of ideas, a potpourri. BTW there are many Scandihoovians in Jackie's neck of the woods, Minnesota. Ron Women have their faults. Men have only two. Everything they say. Everything they do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:29 AM Subject: Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Jackie whats a smorgasbord? Steve W -Original Message- From: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 6:21 PM Subject: LI Re: Steve/Law site Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve Thanks for the site. I found it quite interesting. Really has a smorgasbord. jackief -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site
"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cool was that an invitation? -Original Message- From: Ronald Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 12:32 AM Subject: Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I see no one else answering your question, albeit to Jackie about "what is a smorgasbord, I will give it a try. Its initial meaning was that of Scandinavian origin, meaning a feast, a buffet, where the eaters have a large array of food items from which to select (including lutefisk :-( ) This meaning has now been extended to include anything with many choices, for example a smorgasbord of ideas, a potpourri. BTW there are many Scandihoovians in Jackie's neck of the woods, Minnesota. Ron Women have their faults. Men have only two. Everything they say. Everything they do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:29 AM Subject: Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Jackie whats a smorgasbord? Steve W -Original Message- From: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 6:21 PM Subject: LI Re: Steve/Law site Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve Thanks for the site. I found it quite interesting. Really has a smorgasbord. jackief -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Incest survivors seek protection
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boy Kathy I couldn't agree with you more. I wonder what the laws here in MN are? It is said I live in a progressive state, I wonder? jackief Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All I can say is it's about damn time! Incest survivors have urged California legislators to pass legal protections for children who are placed in their abusers' custody. The Incest Survivors Speakers Bureau of Yolo County held a statehouse news conference on the problem today and promoted legislation addressing it. Shari Karney, a victim's rights attorney whose own incest story was portrayed in an NBC TV movie, ``Shattered Trust,'' said she's been unable to save a single child from sexual abuse -- despite hundreds of calls from distraught mothers. Says Karney: ``The judge in case after case has sent the child back into the hands of the abuser.'' Mothers told of courts awarding children to abusive fathers and other relatives despite evidence that they had sexually assaulted them. Shira Dee of Los Banos told UPI that authorities confirmed abuse against her 4- and 3-year-old daughters in 1993, but she lost them to her ex-husband a few years later after she refused to allow unsupervised visits -- despite a hospital's finding that they'd been raped. A bill introduced by Assemblyman Tom Torlakson, D-Antioch, would require perpetrators in court cases to prove a youngster would be safe in his care -- if there's evidence of child sexual abuse against him. Child advocates also are backing a proposal to have judges undergo training on the incest issue. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Juvenile Records (was biased)
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-04-04 06:09:57 EST, you write: If you know what they meant, you know more than I do. How is embarrassment over a past action going to keep me from doing the same act again? It may well keep me from doing the act in such a way as to get caught, but that's not really the same thing. I think some of these folks put mouth in gear and leave brain in neutral. Doc Hi Doc I think they meant, after listening to people talk around here, that if the information is made public right away when the first instance of wrongdoing is done, then they won't do it again. I, like you, feel it is wishful thinking. Not only would the juvenile get smarter, I would think he/she would become quickly isolated from the rest of the kids and would get involved in lots of negative stuff. Maybe I am wrong. jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Reply from Iacono on the polygraph survey
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all I promise to let you know what Iacono replied if he did. Here it is verbatim, I copied it and insert his reply. (Aren't you proud of me Kathy). Happy reading!! jackief William G. Iacono wrote: Thanks for sending me the info on Honts criticisms of our work. The criticisms are without merit and hardly deserve acknowledgement, and I don't have time to point out why all of them are off base. But consider the following... In the published account of the survey (Journal of Applied Psychology, 1997), we point out that because the survey was prepared for a book chapter that Raskin, Honts and Kircher as well as Iacono and Lykken were contributing to, we eliminated ourselves as well as them from the survey pool (presumably our opinions were well represented in our contributions to this book). Since there were almost 200 hundred respondents to the survey, it is not possible for the elimination of ourselves or them to have had any significant effect on the outcome. Second, we agreed to share the data with Honts and Amato provided certain conditions were met, such as there having their request reviewed by their university IRB (the Board that approves research with humans as meeting ethical standards). Apparently they didn't like the conditions. Third, when we examined the results of our survey for just well informed respondents, the results were not significantly different from those of less well informed respondents for almost all of the questions, including the one about which of the 4 statements "best describes your own opinion of polygraph test interpretations" that was asked on all three surveys. In the Gallup survey, comparing more informed to less informed respondents also produced no significant differences as a result of how informed respondents were. Only the Amato and Honts survey, to which only a third of those polled responded, found a difference between more and less informed respondents. This response anomaly is most likely due to their having a sample that is not comparable to those in the other two surveys because it is not representative. I hope this information is useful to you. -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Annual Internet cleaning
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill At least you got a change when you went to high school. They followed me or I followed them right into high school. I always wanted to have the nuns who wore light blue--I thought they might be less strict. G William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Jackie, What a coincidence. I had Sisters of St. Joseph when I was in grade school. In high school it was the Brothers of Mary. I almost went to a Jesuit school but didn't make the final cut. Perhaps I was lucky, although my nephew went to one and seems to have survived. You're right about the quality of the education. Bill You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Dancing in the Lounge was LI Re: The Odd Couple (Not Jackie and Bill)
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Wow, I bet that's a great story! You danced for your students? How did that come about. Got any pictures? Mathau and Lemon are a classic team. I thought Tony Randall and Jack Klugman did a nice job with the TV version of The Odd Couple, but they couldn't touch Mathau and Lemon, IMO. Bill Hi Bill I guess I am like Rodney Dangerfield--no respect from "all my children" (teehee). It was one of those near collisions and I simply stepped back and asked the students if they were trying to dance with me. Then I simply started doing one of the new dances (arm motions and all) and the students cracked up. They are used to me though and haven't yet called the "men in white" VBG. No pictures, I don't think. Oh lord, I had better check the school paper when it comes out : ) jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Noe: Update
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy, In fact every case of SIDS is "checked into." Autopsies in cases of such deaths are routine. More "checking into" may be indicated at times no doubt. But considering every parent who has a crib death a likely murderer is not a great idea. Multiple SIDS deaths are not unknown. It took a very long time to get over the belief that all parents of such infants were killers. It is not great to take a backward step. Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry :) I'm all against hysteria of course :) Yet we also can't ignore something that is staring you right in the face, it's rare matterfact unheard of having 8 kids in the same family die from SIDS, that just doesn't happen Terry. With medical science so improved from when the children originally died they should be able to hopefully come up with some answers at least I hope so. Yet to not investigate and make sure these were SIDS deaths and not homicide would be a crime against the babies that died IMHO. I do believe there is such a thing as SIDs, but basically all I'm saying there is that sometimes babies die and we don't know why, yet to have more than two die in one family, that is questionable and that should be checked into. For all we know it could be something that was in the house that caused the deaths, and by that I'm not talking about the parents but some sort of chemical that they breathed in, we just don't know. And for all the parent's know it's quite possible this investigation may finally put to end the talk about their kids and how they died. If they are truly innocent as they claim, don't you think they would want that? I do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy, Child Abuse, Inc., seems to be whipping up another wave of hysteria since the last one about the imaginary wholesale sexual abuse of children in nursery schools ebbed. The parents of children who die of SIDS are particularly vulnerable. SIDS like other diseases, notably multiple sclerosis, is a disease of exclusion. The cause has never been found though there are numerous theories. That homicides have been attributed to SIDS should go without saying but the new wave of claims is going far beyond that, calling into question even the existence of SIDS. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill The one big problem I see with not allowing responsible people to make that choice is that if you do that, what will be the next thing outlawed. Also, once it is illegal, then the black market thrives and we start seeing many, more problems. Also, they wouldn't be licensed--I know our target guns are so that we are legal when we transport them. Even if outlawed, you will always find that people will be shot, IMO. There was an excellent program on today about a new lockup system that would keep guns away from children, I think. But you have to be a responsible person and unload, tear down, and lock them up. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, The biggest problem with the gun ownership is the large number of people who are irresponsible and shouldn't even own an air rifle. If the laws were strengthened to punish irresponsible gun owners and if these people went to jail for actions leading to death or injury via one of their guns, then perhaps we'd see some decrease in the deaths and injuries attributed to guns. But even this would cause problems because we've all see the person who had been very responsible and safety conscious make that one fatal mistake. A friend of mine was quite lucky. He had bagged a huge buck and was so excited that he dragged it to his truck, put his rifle in the case and threw it in the back of the truck along side the deer. On the way home he hit a bump and the rifle (which he failed to unload) went off. The bullet hit something and split into several pieces. He caught a few pieces in the butt. It could have been a lot worse. Bill -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent job, Ron Yep, when you are around a lot of Scandanavians, you use the word a lot. But you don't have to eat lutefisk : ) jackief Ronald Helm wrote: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I see no one else answering your question, albeit to Jackie about "what is a smorgasbord, I will give it a try. Its initial meaning was that of Scandinavian origin, meaning a feast, a buffet, where the eaters have a large array of food items from which to select (including lutefisk :-( ) This meaning has now been extended to include anything with many choices, for example a smorgasbord of ideas, a potpourri. BTW there are many Scandihoovians in Jackie's neck of the woods, Minnesota. Ron Women have their faults. Men have only two. Everything they say. Everything they do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:29 AM Subject: Re: LI Re: Steve/Law site Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Jackie whats a smorgasbord? Steve W -Original Message- From: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 6:21 PM Subject: LI Re: Steve/Law site Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve Thanks for the site. I found it quite interesting. Really has a smorgasbord. jackief -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy I can't even remember which court-tv program was on when I heard it. Was getting ready for the dive into bed. So don't know if it was a forthcoming or a past trial. Oh well, wouldn't have watched it anyway. jackief Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm Simpson sounds a bit familiar but that must be because of one of the books I'm reading I'm SURE if I saw a REAL court trial I would remember it :) Hence I don't remember a factual realistic legal trial in this case at all :) So I doubt it happened :) Fuhrman I considered a waste of time, first they had to prove he was telling the truth on those tapes, sounded to me like he was just bragging but that's just IMHO. The investigations I have seen into him and his career did not support his stories he told on tape, matterfact they did just the opposite. It's time for people to stop wasting money investigating a case when there in reality isn't a case at all. Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh Kathy Didn't court-tv advertise this trial?? Thought I saw something last night. jackief Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Justice Department has reportedly decided not to prosecute former Los Angeles police detective Mark Fuhrman on charges he assaulted and mistreated minority suspects in his custody. The Los Angeles Times quotes sources at the Justice Department as saying the decision is based on a statute of limitations -- a five-year time limit that has long since expired. The allegations stemmed from 14 taped interviews in which Fuhrman told an aspiring screenwriter that there was systematic misconduct in the police department and described some of his alleged misconduct. The testimony was a key part of the sensational O.J. Simpson murder trial, where Fuhrman lied on the stand about using a racial epithet to refer to black people. The newspaper says the Justice Department will make public its ruling on Mark Fuhrman, possibly today. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI GATES IS THE $50-BILLION MAN
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wall Street's high lasted only minutes, but Bill Gates' milestone of the wild day is forever - yesterday his personal stake in Microsoft passed $50 billion. That is a stunning Wall Street record - and comes just 23 years after Gates set up the company from nothing with college buddy Paul Allen. Gates is now richer than hundreds of countries around the world. The 42-year-old chairman of Microsoft Corp. saw his fortune swell by nearly $1 billion during eight frenzied hours of trading as the Dow Jones industrial average cracked the 9,000 mark briefly. It boosted his personal wealth to $50.35 billion, easily letting Gates retain his title as the world's richest man. Microsoft, the software company he co-founded in 1975, is worth more than $220 billion. Yesterday's rise makes him richer than the entire economies of most nations, including the oil-rich states of Kuwait ($28.9 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($42.8 billion), as well as Egypt ($45.5 billion), Hungary ($42.1 billion) and Nigeria ($28.4 billion). From a Harvard dropout who started on a shoestring in a friend's garage, Gates has become the new model of the American dream, replacing Henry Ford and Andrew Carnegie. All of Gates' wealth is tied up in Microsoft stock, which has been one of Wall Street's biggest winners ever. In the last nine months, as the Dow surged 1,000 points over last summer's historic 8,000 level, Gates earned a staggering $20 billion in paper profits on his Microsoft stock. It could buy a $9 meal for every man, woman and child on the planet. Over that nine-month period, it amounts to earning an hourly wage of about $13.8 million. Investors love the nerdy rich man because he's created so many rich people with his Microsoft stock. Even scores of his employees at Microsoft have become millionaires on the stock options he awarded as bonuses in lieu of cash over the years. His stock is even stronger than the American greenback. Dollars shrink in value about 3 percent a year due to inflation, but Microsoft stock increases each year, 38 percent since January alone. While Wall Street forgives Gates almost anything, bureaucrats in Washington aren't that admiring. Federal regulators and the attorney general are probing Gates' money-making machine for possible strong-arm tactics that may have broken monopoly laws. Being rich has its price. Senators have called Gates to Capitol Hill for an unprecedented and humiliating public grilling. Even some of his biggest boosters of the past are turning against him. Just yesterday, the respected editor of Windows Magazine, former Gates booster Mike Elgan, published an angry open letter to Gates, urging him to reform his products or lose out on the race to the future. "The time has come for someone to publicly state your dirty little secret: Thanks to Microsoft's 13-year obsession with adding features, Windows has become a bloated, unwieldy product only experts can use without confusion, crashes and endless compatibility problems," Elgan said. Little seems to stop investors from pouring money into Gates' stock, with
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: There is something that they have come out with that might work. It's a ring that the person shooting the gun has to wear, otherwise the gun doesn't work. I'm not sure how it works, but there are some representatives in the Ca Senate who are trying to get it to be mandatory on all guns sold in Ca. Haven't heard about it for a long time though. So it may have been shot down. Personally if they outlawed all guns my feelings wouldn't be hurt, but since that is not only an improbability, but very likely impossible, I am for any gun laws that make it even difficult for people to get them. You are right though, even if they outlawed guns they would still manage to get into the wrong hands. But by making people get them registered, running background checks, etc it does make it a little more difficult. Not impossible, but still a little difficult. Sue Hi Bill The one big problem I see with not allowing responsible people to make that choice is that if you do that, what will be the next thing outlawed. Also, once it is illegal, then the black market thrives and we start seeing many, more problems. Also, they wouldn't be licensed--I know our target guns are so that we are legal when we transport them. Even if outlawed, you will always find that people will be shot, IMO. There was an excellent program on today about a new lockup system that would keep guns away from children, I think. But you have to be a responsible person and unload, tear down, and lock them up. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, The biggest problem with the gun ownership is the large number of people who are irresponsible and shouldn't even own an air rifle. If the laws were strengthened to punish irresponsible gun owners and if these people went to jail for actions leading to death or injury via one of their guns, then perhaps we'd see some decrease in the deaths and injuries attributed to guns. But even this would cause problems because we've all see the person who had been very responsible and safety conscious make that one fatal mistake. A friend of mine was quite lucky. He had bagged a huge buck and was so excited that he dragged it to his truck, put his rifle in the case and threw it in the back of the truck along side the deer. On the way home he hit a bump and the rifle (which he failed to unload) went off. The bullet hit something and split into several pieces. He caught a few pieces in the butt. It could have been a lot worse. Bill -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill I thought of that when writing this, and I was wondering if anyone else was going to put together the connection :) I personally stopped reading all the clinton stuff, case is over as far as I can see. William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Kathy, I just realized that if you substitute Lewinsky for Fuhrman in your note that the element of truth is not lost a bit. I agree with you. Bill -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be serious Jackie, I did check out their site and I didn't see anything concerning Fuhrman on there that was new, but they also don't do updates on Fridays or weekends, I'll recheck on Monday :) Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy I can't even remember which court-tv program was on when I heard it. Was getting ready for the dive into bed. So don't know if it was a forthcoming or a past trial. Oh well, wouldn't have watched it anyway. jackief -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
