Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Marco van de Voort het geskryf: Yes I think so. Pretty much with everything, same with the new RTTI modifier stuff in front of a declaration, instead after it. When I asked a question about that, they were even surprised I doubted it at all. Same here... I asked in the non-technical newsgroup. I was brushed of as yet another Free Pascal troll. They kept bringing up the point that it is C# compatible. I don't give a flying f*ck about C#, I use Object Pascal! Also CodeGear doesn't even do Delphi.NET anymore, so why still copy .NET C# syntax. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Alexander Klenin het geskryf: I agree that syntax is awkward, but I am afraid compatibility is more important than better syntax. Like I told them in the non-technical newsgroup... Compatibility with what? C#??? But the language we are talking about is Object Pascal, NOT C#. The pascal language generally has modifiers at the end of a declaration. Now Object Pascal parsers and compilers must all be modified to look for modifiers infront and after a declaration. At is purely C# syntax, not Object Pascal syntax! Hasn't CodeGear learnt there lesson with .NET yet?? Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Am Montag, 14. September 2009 13:06 schrieb Bernd Kreuss: Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Are you sure this would be possible? Then all other languages coud be added too: ;-) Oberon is not just an arbitrary other language, it is Pascals younger brother and ALGOL is their mother and it is told that the same guy named Wirth was around at ETH Zürich both times when they were created. I'm not sure how flexible the compiler is and how easy or difficult implementing a new frontend would be, not all the languages in your list are statically typed so much of them wouldn't make sense at all for this compiler, but maybe ALGOL, Modula and Euler would be cool also, to make this family of languages more complete. And maybe Ada should also be worth thinking about? Ada would be even cooler and has a lot more practical applications than Oberon or Modula, and maybe even the US DoD would start supporting the ompiler ;-) If I want eggs and Bacon I use my oven, not the engine of my car... Well, finally, I prefer a toaster that toast my bread perfectly, over laptop that also makes coffee. IOW: I want a perfect pascal compiler, not some chameleon, that does 1000 things but none of them right. regards B. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Two versions
Not sure where it is on the wiki. Best is to download the source, snapshot or SVN, into a new directory, somewhere in your home dir, and compile them there (make) One very important thing: use --primary-config-path, so they do not conflict with each others config. Also if you are about to use 0.9.28 (0.9.27 at current) you need fpc 2.2.4. Martin Santiago A. wrote: Hello. My system has installed 0.96 (Ubuntu 8.10) , I would like to install 0.98 both at the same time. I read somewhere in the wiki how to have installed both versions. Any hint? Santiago A. s...@ciberpiula.net -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] Two versions
Hello. My system has installed 0.96 (Ubuntu 8.10) , I would like to install 0.98 both at the same time. I read somewhere in the wiki how to have installed both versions. Any hint? Santiago A. s...@ciberpiula.net -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Two versions
Santiago A. schreef: Hello. My system has installed 0.96 (Ubuntu 8.10) , I would like to install 0.98 both at the same time. I read somewhere in the wiki how to have installed both versions. Any hint? http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Multiple_Lazarus Vincent -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus on Snow Leopard
On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:00 AM, dmitry boyarintsev wrote: When you get this error, please attach debuger output as well. You can find it at View - Debug windows - Debug output. You can launch the application with debugger switched off. Environment - Debugger - Debuger Type - change to none Thanks. Indeed it works well without gdb. For gdb, I've got this, if it can help : http://pastebin.com/f3d5c4d38 All windows in View - Debug Windows are empty. -- milip...@shikami.org World gouverned by artificial intelligence often learned a hard lesson : Logic does not Care -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus on Snow Leopard
Please, add your problem and system description, to this bug issue: http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=14588 Please, attach a file with the pastebined text as well. thanks, dmitry -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Something that I'd like to see, because I use garbage collected languages mostly, is trying to get the Boehm memory manager working as the plugin memory manager. I've tried to do it and failed because I don't know fpc that well, and although it seems to work on small tests i can't use the unix library without a segfault. I don't think it's worthwhile to argue here the benefits of a garbage collector as it's well documented, but certainly, FPC offering such a feature, would help make certain categories of applications more robust , and imo, have the possibilty of attracting many more developers, particularly java developers, as you get the write once compile everywhere and gc which is really all java ever offered. bd On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:46:25 +0200 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/12 Alexander Klenin kle...@gmail.com: So I request community for a suitable ideas -- projects should be reasonably self-contained, not too hard, require actual coding and Seeing that we are list our wishlists... :-) * Full support for implements interface delegation in classes. * Complete Semaphore support via a TSemaphore class -- like was done for TCriticalSection. Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- 'Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is nothing more to take away.' -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 07:24, Marco van de Voortmar...@stack.nl wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:29:26PM +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Marco van de Voort het geskryf: Yes I think so. Pretty much with everything, same with the new RTTI modifier stuff in front of a declaration, instead after it. When I asked a question about that, they were even surprised I doubted it at all. Same here... I asked in the non-technical newsgroup. I was brushed of as yet another Free Pascal troll. They kept bringing up the point that it is C# compatible. I don't give a flying f*ck about C#, I use Object Pascal! Also CodeGear doesn't even do Delphi.NET anymore, so why still copy .NET C# syntax. Codegear goes where the public opinion goes, to sell. However the slavish following by a lot of the forummembers continues to surprise me. Is not this the definition of the public opinion? :-) -- Alexander S. Klenin -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Hans-Peter Diettrich schrieb: Florian Klaempfl schrieb: How does a C front-end affect the Pascal front-end? If it doesn't affect it, it has no use or what would you do with macros in headers? If they aren't supported in the pascal front end, it makes no sense to read them with a C frontend. [ ] You understand what's a preprocessor Maybe you should write compilers for 15 years, then we continue, might be 2024 then. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Marco van de Voort schrieb: How does a C front-end affect the Pascal front-end? If it doesn't affect it, it has no use or what would you do with macros in headers? If they aren't supported in the pascal front end, it makes no sense to read them with a C frontend. [ ] You understand what's a preprocessor So you are suggesting a preprocessor that reads C and outputs Pascal? :-) No, this were what ToPas does. Instead I suggest to skip the intermediate Pascal code, and to compile the given source code immediately. DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Florian Klaempfl schrieb: Maybe you should write compilers for 15 years I've written (in fact invented) decompilers for 25 years, and learned a lot about compilers this way :-) DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
Burkhard Carstens schrieb: IOW: I want a perfect pascal compiler, not some chameleon, that does 1000 things but none of them right. gcc has been very successul, with its ability to compile many languages (including Pascal!). IMO it only differs from FPC in the OO model, so that FPC could play the role of gcc in the world of languages compatible with the OPL object model. DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas
GCC is also known for being a good optimizing compiler. Is it feasible to use some of the optimizing tech from GCC in FPC? Raymond. -Original Message- From: Hans-Peter Diettrich [mailto:drdiettri...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:35 PM To: Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Request for student project ideas Burkhard Carstens schrieb: IOW: I want a perfect pascal compiler, not some chameleon, that does 1000 things but none of them right. gcc has been very successul, with its ability to compile many languages (including Pascal!). IMO it only differs from FPC in the OO model, so that FPC could play the role of gcc in the world of languages compatible with the OPL object model. DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
