Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:31:19 +0100
Søren Ager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 2006-11-09 16:21, Marc Weustink wrote:
 
  I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is 
  still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
  
  Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using 
  startlazarus ?
  
  if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
 
 A - that did it. Thanks a lot.

Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?

Mattias

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:14:40 -0700
John Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm still getting the error that the kde/gnome lazarus icon fails to
 start lazarus and when I type lazarus in the alt+f2, it gives me an
 error.  Incidentally, when I start it either from the command line or
 from an icon on the desktop there are no problems starting it.

What error? This seems to be a different bug.
I will check later.

Mattias


 
 Mattias Gaertner wrote:
  On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
  Sebastian Kraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 09:52 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
  
  The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
  release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
 

  Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a 
  bit squeezed. font is small and ugly. With the svn some days
  before it was excellent...
  
 
  I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
  Please create a bug report.
 
 
  Mattias
 
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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:28:35 -0400
Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2006/11/9, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On 09/11/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which files are enormous?
  
   The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui
 
  Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
  executables.  This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ.
  Use the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
  executable.
 
  For example:
   I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb.  After
  using 'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.
 
 I know.
 You consider that 4MB is small?
 
 joke
 It is verified that the size yes imports. :)
 joke

There are two solutions: 
- Improve LCL for smart linking
- Improve compiler and lazarus for dynamic lib.

Improving smart linking is not a complex task. Just start with the less
commonly used controls like TSpinEdit and see where it is used in the
LCL and the widgetset you prefer. Then make a proposal how to improve
it. Once this process and the techniques are described in the wiki on a
few examples, others will help.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:47:22 +0300
Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mattias Gaertner wrote:
  Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Vincent Snijders wrote:
Al Boldi schreef:
 Vincent Snijders wrote:
 Al Boldi schreef:

 But I don't have svn.
   
Get it, it is worth it.
   
 Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
   
This diff command doesn't.
  
   So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
  
   I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.
 
  0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
  there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
  (e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).
 
 So what I need is a diff from the 0.9.15 daily tarball snapshot from 
 2006.05.10 to the 0.9.16 release.  Is this possible?

To create the diff, you need the revision number of that tarball. There
are 2 changes on that day. 

 
 If so, can someone provide this for me?
 
  The svn can create diffs with the following command:
  svn diff -r 9933:10175.
  This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
  of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
  But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff
  between 0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.
 
 Great!  bz2 could possibly provide even higher compression.

Yes, but then our work does not look so impressive. ;)

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Vincent Snijders

Mattias Gaertner schreef:

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:31:19 +0100
Søren Ager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 2006-11-09 16:21, Marc Weustink wrote:

I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is 
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using 
startlazarus ?


if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus

A - that did it. Thanks a lot.


Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?



Good idea.

Vincent

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys

On 10/11/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
 still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
 Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
 startlazarus ?

 if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
 A - that did it. Thanks a lot.

 Thanks Marc.
 Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
 executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
 than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?


Good idea.

Vincent


Yes, a very good idea!  I got caught by that same problem a few days
ago on a new install.  Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
figure out why the changes where not there!  In the end I created a
symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus

Can you user select where the compiled units and lazarus executable
gets placed? I would prefer /opt/lazarus/ directory.

Regards,
 - Graeme -

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Vincent Snijders

Graeme Geldenhuys schreef:

On 10/11/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
 still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
 Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
 startlazarus ?

 if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
 A - that did it. Thanks a lot.

 Thanks Marc.
 Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
 executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
 than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?


Good idea.

Vincent


Yes, a very good idea!  I got caught by that same problem a few days
ago on a new install.  Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
figure out why the changes where not there!  In the end I created a
symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus


I don't understand your setup. Where is startlazarus, where is the original lazarus, 
where is the new lazarus, which of those directories are read-only for you?


Vincent.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:47:08 +0200
Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/11/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but
   is still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
   Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus
   using startlazarus ?
  
   if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
   A - that did it. Thanks a lot.
  
   Thanks Marc.
   Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the
   lazarus executable and warn the user that the custom built
   lazarus is older than the regular one (plus the hint, what file
   to remove)?
  
 
  Good idea.
 
  Vincent
 
 Yes, a very good idea!  I got caught by that same problem a few days
 ago on a new install.  Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
 figure out why the changes where not there!  In the end I created a
 symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus
 
 Can you user select where the compiled units and lazarus executable
 gets placed? I would prefer /opt/lazarus/ directory.

/opt/lazarus is normally not writable for normal users.
The IDE puts every global new file in the primary config path. By
default this is ~/.lazarus. But you change it with a command line
parameter.
If you want a custom install, use 'make install'.
The binary packages will try to follow the standards.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys

On 10/11/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, a very good idea!  I got caught by that same problem a few days
 ago on a new install.  Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
 figure out why the changes where not there!  In the end I created a
 symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus

I don't understand your setup. Where is startlazarus, where is the original 
lazarus,
where is the new lazarus, which of those directories are read-only for you?

Vincent.


Ok, sorry...

/opt/lazarus
 This is where I have Lazarus installed and is read/write to me.  I'm
the only user in my PC, so don't mind the permissions.

/opt/lazarus/lazarus
/opt/lazaurs/startlazarus
 This is normally where these two executables live.  I have my
desktop shortcut setup to point to /opt/lazarus/lazarus  (or was that
'startlazarus' - I can't remember, I am no on a different PC now).
What is the purpose of 'startlazarus' anyhow?

~/.lazarus/*.xml
 This is where my personal settings live.  I never knew that! I have
*.xml files in /opt/lazarus/ as well, but see now that there dates are
old, so deleted them. I'm sure lazarus used to store my settings in
/opt/lazarus/ but it doesn't matter.

Scenario 1:
Now on my current PC (main development PC at work), when I rebuild
Lazarus, new executable are created in /opt/lazarus/ and the compiled
units end in /opt/lazarus/units/ directory.

Scenario 2:
At home on my newly installed Lazarus (same SVN version and FPC), I
have the same directory layout. But, when I rebuild Lazarus there, the
new executables end up in ~/.lazarus/units and the compiled .ppu files
end up there as well.


I prefer Scenario 1, as that is what I am used to.  So my question is,
how to I tell my computer at home (Scenario 2) that the newly created
executable must end up in /opt/lazarus/ directory?

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Al Boldi
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
 Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mattias Gaertner wrote:
   Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vincent Snijders wrote:
 Al Boldi schreef:
  Vincent Snijders wrote:
  Al Boldi schreef:
 
  But I don't have svn.

 Get it, it is worth it.

  Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?

 This diff command doesn't.
   
So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
   
I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.
  
   0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
   there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
   (e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).
 
  So what I need is a diff from the 0.9.15 daily tarball snapshot from
  2006.05.10 to the 0.9.16 release.  Is this possible?

 To create the diff, you need the revision number of that tarball. There
 are 2 changes on that day.

2006-05-10 15:12:34 +0300 lazarus-0.9.15-20060510-src.tar.bz2

  If so, can someone provide this for me?
 
   The svn can create diffs with the following command:
   svn diff -r 9933:10175.
   This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
   of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
   But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff
   between 0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.
 
  Great!  bz2 could possibly provide even higher compression.

 Yes, but then our work does not look so impressive. ;)

Small is beautiful!


Thanks!

--
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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys

On 10/11/06, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

/opt/lazarus is normally not writable for normal users.


Maybe I'm not a 'normal user' :-)  Actually, on my system /opt is a
separate hard drive and I setup as read/write for myself.  That way,
if I want to reinstall the Linux OS (new release) all my work is safe
and I can wipe the OS drive without worries.  Oh, I normally backup my
$HOME directory as well, just in case.



If you want a custom install, use 'make install'.
The binary packages will try to follow the standards.


I have never installed from a binary package.  I always build from the SVN code.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Vincent Snijders

Graeme Geldenhuys schreef:

On 10/11/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, a very good idea!  I got caught by that same problem a few days
 ago on a new install.  Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
 figure out why the changes where not there!  In the end I created a
 symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus

I don't understand your setup. Where is startlazarus, where is the 
original lazarus,
where is the new lazarus, which of those directories are read-only for 
you?


Vincent.


Ok, sorry...

/opt/lazarus
 This is where I have Lazarus installed and is read/write to me.  I'm
the only user in my PC, so don't mind the permissions.

/opt/lazarus/lazarus
/opt/lazaurs/startlazarus
 This is normally where these two executables live.  I have my
desktop shortcut setup to point to /opt/lazarus/lazarus  (or was that
'startlazarus' - I can't remember, I am no on a different PC now).
What is the purpose of 'startlazarus' anyhow?

~/.lazarus/*.xml
 This is where my personal settings live.  I never knew that! I have
*.xml files in /opt/lazarus/ as well, but see now that there dates are
old, so deleted them. I'm sure lazarus used to store my settings in
/opt/lazarus/ but it doesn't matter.

Scenario 1:
Now on my current PC (main development PC at work), when I rebuild
Lazarus, new executable are created in /opt/lazarus/ and the compiled
units end in /opt/lazarus/units/ directory.

Scenario 2:
At home on my newly installed Lazarus (same SVN version and FPC), I
have the same directory layout. But, when I rebuild Lazarus there, the
new executables end up in ~/.lazarus/units and the compiled .ppu files
end up there as well.


This should only happen if the directories mentioned in scenario 1 cannot be written 
to. Do you have an idea why Lazarus thinks they are readonly?


Vincent

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys

On 10/11/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This should only happen if the directories mentioned in scenario 1 cannot be 
written
to. Do you have an idea why Lazarus thinks they are readonly?


No idea!  I will double check my permissions from Work with the ones
from Home tonight and see if anything in different.  Group vs User
permissions maybe? All I can say in that I can write/modify files in
/opt/lazarus and /opt/fpc on both PC's, as that is how I create
patches for Lazarus and FPC.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread John Meyer
When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
following error:
KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus

Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will

Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version).  Also the version
of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
 On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:14:40 -0700
 John Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 I'm still getting the error that the kde/gnome lazarus icon fails to
 start lazarus and when I type lazarus in the alt+f2, it gives me an
 error.  Incidentally, when I start it either from the command line or
 from an icon on the desktop there are no problems starting it.
 

 What error? This seems to be a different bug.
 I will check later.

 Mattias


   
 Mattias Gaertner wrote:
 
 On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
 Sebastian Kraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
   
 Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 09:52 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
 
 
 The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
 release is based on fpc 2.0.4.

   
   
 Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a 
 bit squeezed. font is small and ugly. With the svn some days
 before it was excellent...
 
 
 I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
 Please create a bug report.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Vincent Snijders

Mattias Gaertner schreef:

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:31:19 +0100
Søren Ager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 2006-11-09 16:21, Marc Weustink wrote:

I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is 
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using 
startlazarus ?


if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus

A - that did it. Thanks a lot.


Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?


So if I find both files and the ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus (which is 
normally used is older than write protected one installed by a for 
instance a rpm, I should display a message.


What should the message be?

The custom build lazarus at ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus is older than the 
regular lazarus at /usr/share/lazarus/lazarus. Do you want to delete the 
custom build lazarus and start the regular lazarus?


[Yes] [No] [Abort]

Yes: deletes ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus and starts /usr/share/lazarus/lazarus.

No: starts ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus

Abort: exists without starting lazarus.

Would this be ok?

Vincent

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Freitag, den 10.11.2006, 05:32 -0700 schrieb John Meyer:
 When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
 following error:
 KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus
 
 Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
 desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will
 
 Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version).  Also the version
 of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.

$ which startlazarus

or

$ which lazarus

is your friend

HTH,
Marc


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread John Meyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which startlazarus
/usr/bin/startlazarus
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which lazarus
/usr/bin/lazarus
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

Helps?

Marc Santhoff wrote:
 Am Freitag, den 10.11.2006, 05:32 -0700 schrieb John Meyer:
   
 When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
 following error:
 KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus

 Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
 desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will

 Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version).  Also the version
 of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.
 

 $ which startlazarus

 or

 $ which lazarus

 is your friend

 HTH,
 Marc


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Freitag, den 10.11.2006, 17:10 -0700 schrieb John Meyer:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which startlazarus
 /usr/bin/startlazarus

Look at this path ...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ which lazarus
 /usr/bin/lazarus
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~
 
 Helps?
 
 Marc Santhoff wrote:
  Am Freitag, den 10.11.2006, 05:32 -0700 schrieb John Meyer:

  When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
  following error:
  KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus

.. and compare to what the kde launcher searches for.

  Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
  desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will
 
  Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version).  Also the version
  of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.

I don't know if this is a lazarus installation error or something in
your personal setup of the kde environment, but you as user (I'm still
happy with windowmaker, cannot comment on kde) and maybe system
administrator can correct it.

Helps? ;)

Marc


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread John Meyer
Good catch on that, I'll look at the menu item, now as far as what KDE
searches for when I bring up the alt+f2 menu, how do I change that?
Marc Santhoff wrote:
 I don't know if this is a lazarus installation error or something in
 your personal setup of the kde environment, but you as user (I'm still
 happy with windowmaker, cannot comment on kde) and maybe system
 administrator can correct it.

 Helps? ;)

 Marc


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-10 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Freitag, den 10.11.2006, 21:05 -0700 schrieb John Meyer:
 Okay, changed that in the KDE environment and now pulls up like a
 charm.  It's not that much of an obvious solution (namely, didn't know
 the alt+f2 didn't just go to that executable), but I should have checked
 there.

The question is how the kde config got the idea of searching for
executables in /usr/share/. Normally that's the place for installing
docs, examples and the like.

I think (but haven't checked) the installation path of lazarus is
configurable. If you used some package, the path would have to be
adjusted when preparing the package, otherwise the makefile or some
config file would be the target. But /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin is the
perfect place for system wide accessible executables.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:59:29 +0100
Søren Ager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 2006-11-08 09:52, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
 
  The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
  release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
 
 I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still 
 says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?

Did you download an install the lazarus_0.9.20-0_i386.deb?
I will double check.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:27:00 +0300
Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Vincent Snijders wrote:
  Al Boldi schreef:
   Vincent Snijders wrote:
   Al Boldi schreef:
  
   But I don't have svn.
 
  Get it, it is worth it.
 
   Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
 
  This diff command doesn't.
 
 So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
 
 I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.

0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
(e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).

The svn can create diffs with the following command: 
svn diff -r 9933:10175.
This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff between
0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys

On 08/11/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Like http://mypage.bluewin.ch/msegui/



The same idea yes, but a few different features.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys

On 09/11/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which files are enormous?

The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui


Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
executables.  This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ.  Use
the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
executable.

For example:
I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb.  After using
'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Al Boldi
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
 Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Vincent Snijders wrote:
   Al Boldi schreef:
Vincent Snijders wrote:
Al Boldi schreef:
   
But I don't have svn.
  
   Get it, it is worth it.
  
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
  
   This diff command doesn't.
 
  So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
 
  I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.

 0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
 there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
 (e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).

So what I need is a diff from the 0.9.15 daily tarball snapshot from 
2006.05.10 to the 0.9.16 release.  Is this possible?

If so, can someone provide this for me?

 The svn can create diffs with the following command:
 svn diff -r 9933:10175.
 This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
 of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
 But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff between
 0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.

Great!  bz2 could possibly provide even higher compression.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread John Meyer
I'm still getting the error that the kde/gnome lazarus icon fails to
start lazarus and when I type lazarus in the alt+f2, it gives me an
error.  Incidentally, when I start it either from the command line or
from an icon on the desktop there are no problems starting it.

Mattias Gaertner wrote:
 On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
 Sebastian Kraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 09:52 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
 
 The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
 release is based on fpc 2.0.4.

   
 Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a 
 bit squeezed. font is small and ugly. With the svn some days before
 it was excellent...
 

 I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
 Please create a bug report.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Søren Ager

On 2006-11-09 08:59, Mattias Gaertner wrote:

I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still 
says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?

Did you download an install the lazarus_0.9.20-0_i386.deb?
I will double check.


Yes I did - and Synaptic package manager tells me version 0.9.20 is 
installed.



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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Luis R. Hilario B.

2006/11/9, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On 09/11/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Which files are enormous?

 The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui

Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
executables.  This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ.  Use
the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
executable.

For example:
 I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb.  After using
'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.


I know.
You consider that 4MB is small?

joke
It is verified that the size yes imports. :)
joke


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys

Well, the app I used as an example isn't very small. It wasn't a
'Hello World' app.  Yes it is bigger than Delphi created, but then I
worked on Delphi apps that had 35Mb executables, and no that wasn't
due to image resources.  Just a very large app.  With today's hard
drive space - who cares!  :-)

For internet downloading/distribution, use 7zip for compression.  It
shrinks files like nothing before!

Regards,
 - Graeme -


On 09/11/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

2006/11/9, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 09/11/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Which files are enormous?
 
  The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui

 Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
 executables.  This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ.  Use
 the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
 executable.

 For example:
  I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb.  After using
 'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.

I know.
You consider that 4MB is small?

joke
It is verified that the size yes imports. :)
joke

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Marc Weustink

Søren Ager wrote:

On 2006-11-09 08:59, Mattias Gaertner wrote:

I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still 
says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?

Did you download an install the lazarus_0.9.20-0_i386.deb?
I will double check.


Yes I did - and Synaptic package manager tells me version 0.9.20 is 
installed.


Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using 
startlazarus ?


if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-09 Thread Søren Ager

On 2006-11-09 16:21, Marc Weustink wrote:

I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is 
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?


Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using 
startlazarus ?


if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus


A - that did it. Thanks a lot.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Michael Van Canneyt


On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:

 The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
 is based on fpc 2.0.4.

Congratulations. Nice job !

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[lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.

This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339

Detailed list of changes:

New widgetset: fpgui

updated translations: german, finnish, catalan, russian,
  italian, africaans (af-za), spanish
IDE: renaming a component now automatically renames methods
  with default names, and inherited components
made TColorButton a TCustomSpeedButton descendant
  from Tom Gregorovic
Capture any mouse button by setting TControl.CaptureMouseButton
  property from Tom Gregorovic (#7653)
LCL: published TAction.DisableIfNoHandler
LCL: setup better default properties for png writer
  from Tom Gregorovic
IDE: project directory is now added to the include path
  of all project directories
sqldb package: added TOracleConnection to component palette
win32 installer: fixed including the binutils from fpcbuild
creating package makefiles: the win64 OS uses the win32 widget set
svn2revisioninc can parse svn 1.4 meta data to determine a version
debugger: added dwarfloading to windebugger
  added exception dissection
  added linenumber address resolving
  added setting of breakpoints
the search results window now has a close button for non gtk users
trayiconlaz: moved TTrayIcon to 'additional' tab in component
  palette for Delphi compatibility
LCL: added TStaticText to 'additional' tab in component palette
  for Delphi compatibility
IDEIntf: image list editor: implemented auto splitting
  of added image  from Etrusco
synedit: codefolding is now completely implemented and
  enabled as default in the IDE. It uses simple begin..end blocks
  as demonstration. Eventually nicer block boundaries will be used.
grids, picklist select fixed
TrimFilename no longer reduces ${Macro}/.. directories
cups printing: implemented default paper sizes  from Jesus
moved code from TControlScrollBar to TScrollingWinControl,
  deriving TScrollingWinControl from TCustomControl  from Flavio
added example to add IDE help for the sources of a package
  examples/helpforpackage/demopackagewithhelp.lpk
test runner: added writing results to file
  and showing simple progress
fpcunit: new console runner uses new fpcunitconsolerunner package

qt intf:
  Patch from zeljko. Implements TQtAbstractSlider, TQtScrollBar,
  TQtTrackBar, TQtPen (CreatePenIndirect)
  and TQtRegion (CreateRectRgn).
  Unified qt4 header files. Updated bindings to 1.21
  added support for menus, font, progressbar and statusbar
  Combobox

And two hundred fixes and minor improvements.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Alexandre Leclerc

2006/11/8, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.


I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
known issue?

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Vincent Snijders

Alexandre Leclerc schreef:

2006/11/8, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.


I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
known issue?



I don't have that problem on windows 2000.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Marc Weustink

Vincent Snijders wrote:

Alexandre Leclerc schreef:

2006/11/8, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.


I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
known issue?



I don't have that problem on windows 2000.


Me neither on winXP and Linux

So it is not known.

What OS, what debugger did you define and which version of GDB ?

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Alexandre Leclerc

2006/11/8, Marc Weustink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Vincent Snijders wrote:
 Alexandre Leclerc schreef:
 2006/11/8, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
 is based on fpc 2.0.4.

 I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
 known issue?


 I don't have that problem on windows 2000.

Me neither on winXP and Linux

So it is not known.

What OS, what debugger did you define and which version of GDB ?


There must be something wrong with my setup then. I used the whole .20
release files. But I did copy the .xml config files and fixed the
path... and it did not work. It might be a setting somewhere. I'll try
to get my finger on it.

Now that I know it works for every one... It is sure my problem. :)

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Sebastian Kraft
Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 09:52 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
 The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
 is based on fpc 2.0.4.

 This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339

 Detailed list of changes:

 New widgetset: fpgui

Where is this? I can't find it in Build Lazarus Dialog or Project compile 
options...
How can I use it?

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Sebastian Kraft
Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 09:52 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
 The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
 is based on fpc 2.0.4.

Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a 
bit squeezed. font is small and ugly. With the svn some days before it was 
excellent...

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Al Boldi
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
 The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
 is based on fpc 2.0.4.

 This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339

Are there any incremental tarballs available?


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Vincent Snijders

Al Boldi schreef:

Mattias Gaertner wrote:

The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.

This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339


Are there any incremental tarballs available?



No. Only complete source.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho

On 11/8/06, Sebastian Kraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 New widgetset: fpgui

Where is this? I can't find it in Build Lazarus Dialog or Project compile
options...
How can I use it?


We just added a empty compilable skeleton for fpGUI, it isn't
implemented yet, so it wasn't added to the build lazarus dialog. I
think this was a bit misleading changes text.

fpGUI is a object oriented framework that writes it's own controls
(like Qt), and runs on top of X11 or Windows API currently. Currently
it's under heavy work, and thus not yet usable to write applications
as the API may change a lot in the next few weeks.

Because fpGUI does not use native controls, it's much easier to be
ported, as only the drawing functions need to be reimplemented.

In the future, after it's ready (and this can take a lot of time,
perhaps 1 year), I expect the following benefits for LCL-fpGUI
interface:

* Direct X11 support on Lazarus (without Gtk or Qt).
* Make lazarus easier to port for more PDA platforms

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Florian Klaempfl

Al Boldi schrieb:

Mattias Gaertner wrote:

The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.

This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339


Are there any incremental tarballs available?


Use svn in this case :)

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Al Boldi
Vincent Snijders wrote:
 Al Boldi schreef:
  Mattias Gaertner wrote:
  The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
  is based on fpc 2.0.4.
 
  This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
 
  Are there any incremental tarballs available?

 No. Only complete source.

Complete source is pretty big.

How big would an incremental tarball be?


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Vincent Snijders

Al Boldi schreef:

Vincent Snijders wrote:

Al Boldi schreef:

Mattias Gaertner wrote:

The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.

This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339

Are there any incremental tarballs available?

No. Only complete source.


Complete source is pretty big.

How big would an incremental tarball be?




As Florian said, use svn to get an estimate (all on one line):
svn diff 
svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_18 
svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_20  diff.txt


and then zip the diff.

Or isn't this an incremental tarbal?

But IMHO, distributing such a thing is not worth the trouble.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho

On 11/8/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But the files are enormous.


Which files are enormous?

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Al Boldi
Vincent Snijders wrote:
 Al Boldi schreef:
  Vincent Snijders wrote:
  Al Boldi schreef:
  Mattias Gaertner wrote:
  The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
  is based on fpc 2.0.4.
 
  This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
 
  Are there any incremental tarballs available?
 
  No. Only complete source.
 
  Complete source is pretty big.
 
  How big would an incremental tarball be?

 As Florian said, use svn to get an estimate (all on one line):
 svn diff
 svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_18
 svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_20 
 diff.txt

 and then zip the diff.

Wow, how easy!

But I don't have svn.

Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?

 Or isn't this an incremental tarbal?

Let's call it an incremental patch.

 But IMHO, distributing such a thing is not worth the trouble.

IMHO, if it's that easy, it could be automated, like kernel.org.


Thanks!

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho

On 11/8/06, Al Boldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But I don't have svn.


It's free to download:

http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/


Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?


Yes it resumes.

The initial checkout will probably take hours on dial up, but after
that, each upgrade will be very fast. If you dont want unstability,
you can use svn to get the tags stable part instead of the unstable
trunk.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Vincent Snijders

Al Boldi schreef:

Vincent Snijders wrote:

Al Boldi schreef:

But I don't have svn.


Get it, it is worth it.


Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?


This diff command doesn't. But generally svn checkout and svn update are 
quite resilient against lost connections.






Or isn't this an incremental tarbal?


Let's call it an incremental patch.


But IMHO, distributing such a thing is not worth the trouble.


IMHO, if it's that easy, it could be automated, like kernel.org.



Uploading on sourceforge cannot be automated.

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Al Boldi
Vincent Snijders wrote:
 Al Boldi schreef:
  Vincent Snijders wrote:
  Al Boldi schreef:
 
  But I don't have svn.

 Get it, it is worth it.

  Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?

 This diff command doesn't.

So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?

I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Søren Ager

On 2006-11-08 09:52, Mattias Gaertner wrote:


The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.


I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still 
says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?



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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Darius Blaszijk

From: Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]


On 11/8/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But the files are enormous.


Which files are enormous?


This brings up another question. Would it be interesting to release a 
stripped lazarus installer? I mean only the FPC compiler and the rest all 
sources? You just simply install and invoke make clean all. Voila, you have 
an installer that will be about 30% smaller.


Darius 


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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Vincent Snijders

Darius Blaszijk schreef:

From: Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]


On 11/8/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But the files are enormous.


Which files are enormous?


This brings up another question. Would it be interesting to release a 
stripped lazarus installer? I mean only the FPC compiler and the rest 
all sources? You just simply install and invoke make clean all. Voila, 
you have an installer that will be about 30% smaller.


Yes, that would make sense. That is what I meant with source based 
installer on http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User:Vincent/todo_list


You can even ask whether to include debug info for RTL, FCL, LCL or not.

You can give the user an option to create cross compilers, at least to 
targets without need for internal linkers.


I welcome patches and extensions in this direction.

Vincent

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Luis R. Hilario B.

2006/11/8, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On 11/8/06, Luis R. Hilario B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But the files are enormous.

Which files are enormous?


The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Darius Blaszijk

But the files are enormous.


Which files are enormous?


This brings up another question. Would it be interesting to release a 
stripped lazarus installer? I mean only the FPC compiler and the rest all 
sources? You just simply install and invoke make clean all. Voila, you 
have an installer that will be about 30% smaller.


Yes, that would make sense. That is what I meant with source based 
installer on http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User:Vincent/todo_list


You can even ask whether to include debug info for RTL, FCL, LCL or not.


Same applies for some of the tools, docs, tests, debian (did I forget any) 
dirs.


You can give the user an option to create cross compilers, at least to 
targets without need for internal linkers.


Exactly my idea


I welcome patches and extensions in this direction.


Shure I'm willing to help. I could make a new source installer to start with 
(win32_src). We can add functionalty as we go. It's not only this installer, 
but the binary installers could also be made a little bit leaner. Like 
mentioned above there is stuff included that is never used by users but only 
devels use. Do we want to keep including that?


Darius

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Re: [lazarus] 0.9.20 released

2006-11-08 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
Sebastian Kraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2006 09:52 schrieb Mattias Gaertner:
  The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
  release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
 
 Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a 
 bit squeezed. font is small and ugly. With the svn some days before
 it was excellent...

I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
Please create a bug report.


Mattias

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