Re: [LEAPSECS] LEAPSECS Digest, Vol 172, Issue 9 TT-UT1 Changes?

2022-11-20 Thread Ronald Held
I may be missing something.  Should there be any reason that TT-UT1
will change?
  Ronald

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>1. Re: future access to solar time? (Tony Finch)
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> From: Tony Finch 
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> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?
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> Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman)  wrote:
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>> The plan, rather, is to cease easy access to solar time.
>
> The resolution says the GCPM
>
> : encourages the BIPM to work with relevant organizations to identify the
> : need for updates in the different services that disseminate the value of
> : the difference (UT1-UTC) and to ensure the correct understanding and use
> : of the new maximum value.
>
> So I think your summary is a bit off the mark.
>
> I guess the ITU is going to revise TF.460 to allow larger values of DUT1
> in time signals, and MSF etc. will accommodate the change too. (Do any of
> the national broadcast signals actually follow the ITU spec?)
>
> GPS L5 signals provide UT1 as an 8.23 bits two's complement fixed point
> difference from GPS time. This is enough to cope with the changes in the
> CGPM resolution. See IS-GPS-705 p. 87 at
> https://www.gps.gov/technical/icwg/
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> I have not been able to find any specs for NMEA sentences that contain
> anything like UT1 or DUT1 or delta-T, but I expect they will be created
> before too long, as more GPS receivers support L5 signals.
>
> And there are other sources of UT1 like NIST's stunt NTP servers.
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> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] Global timekeepers vote to scrap leap second
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> On Sun 2022-11-20T13:23:32+ Kevin Birth hath writ:
>> As far as I can tell, they were never successful, but it did keep them
>> busy.
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> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] future access to solar time?
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> Hi Tony,
>
> Getting the solar time currently means looking at your watch or the upper
> right-hand corner of the monitor. Would anybody else?s summary of the notion
> of ?easy access? include phrases like: ?8.23 bits two?s complement fixed
> point? or ?NMEA sentences that contain anything like UT1 or DUT1 or
> delta-T??
>
> I have been presuming tenth-second DUT1 values are slated for demolition
> with leap seconds. Can anybody confirm differently? I applaud the goal of
> ensuring understanding and usage of whatever infrastructure will exist. Few
> systems currently use DUT1. One of the issues is that many more will need to
> start.
>
> UT1 itself is only known retroactively. If your use of the word ?stunt?
> wasn?t a typo, it seems to me that NIST rather needs robust and easy-to-use
> infrastructure. I was never able to get reliable access to the UT1 NTP
> server, and generally, our group doesn?t build reliance on third-party NTP
> pools into our operational systems.
>
> We should all welcome GNSS support for 

[LEAPSECS] Future of IERS Bulletins C and D leap minute or hour thread

2022-11-15 Thread Ronald Held
If the resolution passes, post 2035, will C and D content change and
in what fashion?
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